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Title: Extention BT Socket
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 10 January 2010, 23:51:40
I may need to install 2.

Can I install the 1st one and then run the 2nd one from the 1st added one.

Or do I have to install both from the Master socket.

Want to hide all my phone wiring and add an alarm that requires a phone line.  Fed of of seeing wires every where.

TIA.   :y
Title: Re: Extention BT Socket
Post by: Tony H on 11 January 2010, 00:24:33
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I may need to install 2.

Can I install the 1st one and then run the 2nd one from the 1st added one.
Or do I have to install both from the Master socket.

Want to hide all my phone wiring and add an alarm that requires a phone line.  Fed of of seeing wires every where.

TIA.   :y
Yes... but if you dont like wires why dont you get some cordless phones? :-/
Title: Re: Extention BT Socket
Post by: Broomies Mate on 11 January 2010, 00:28:27
Yep.  They can run in series.  Remember though that you'll need an ADSL filter for each socket if you have a phone / modem / Sky Box / other device plugged in.

ADSL Modems are better suited to be plugged into the Master Socket, although, mine is plugged in about 80metres along the line, and works perfectly.
Title: Re: Extention BT Socket
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 11 January 2010, 00:32:55
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I may need to install 2.

Can I install the 1st one and then run the 2nd one from the 1st added one.
Or do I have to install both from the Master socket.

Want to hide all my phone wiring and add an alarm that requires a phone line.  Fed of of seeing wires every where.

TIA.   :y
Yes... but if you dont like wires why dont you get some cordless phones? :-/

I have.

I just bought a 4 pack of Panasonic DECT phones.  Plus I have a pair of New BT phones but the key pads are not illuminated hence buying the Panys.  Plus I have a Pair of faulty Phillips DECT phones but cant find the reciept to take them back to Argos, and have my old BT Elise (Pair) phones  that I want to add the base unit to the system, Plus am fitted an alrm in the system as well that needs to be added to a BT line.

Just want to add 3 sockets hidden in a cobord behind where the master socket is, also putting the modem/router out of site and running the networks into it.
Title: Re: Extention BT Socket
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 11 January 2010, 00:34:33
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Yep.  They can run in series.  Remember though that you'll need an ADSL filter for each socket if you have a phone / modem / Sky Box / other device plugged in.

ADSL Modems are better suited to be plugged into the Master Socket, although, mine is plugged in about 80metres along the line, and works perfectly.


Thoght you only needed one filter in the system, have bought a replacement face plate with BT and ADSL sockets in.
Title: Re: Extention BT Socket
Post by: Tony H on 11 January 2010, 00:43:28
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Yep.  They can run in series.  Remember though that you'll need an ADSL filter for each socket if you have a phone / modem / Sky Box / other device plugged in.

ADSL Modems are better suited to be plugged into the Master Socket, although, mine is plugged in about 80metres along the line, and works perfectly.


Thoght you only needed one filter in the system, have bought a replacement face plate with BT and ADSL sockets in.
No.... you could have problems with your net connection if you dont have a filter at every socket
Title: Re: Extention BT Socket
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 11 January 2010, 00:48:35
No probs, I have 6 or 7 spare ones kicking about somewhere.
Title: Re: Extention BT Socket
Post by: CaptainZok on 11 January 2010, 00:56:41
If you're using an NTE5 faceplate (separate dsl and phone sockets) you don't need filters at all as the dsl signal is filtered out from the phone signal by the faceplate.
Title: Re: Extention BT Socket
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 11 January 2010, 01:22:19
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If you're using an NTE5 faceplate (separate dsl and phone sockets) you don't need filters at all as the dsl signal is filtered out from the phone signal by the faceplate.

Thats what I was thinking.  I have addons if I need them anyway.  :y
Title: Re: Extention BT Socket
Post by: Broomies Mate on 11 January 2010, 02:17:42
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If you're using an NTE5 faceplate (separate dsl and phone sockets) you don't need filters at all as the dsl signal is filtered out from the phone signal by the faceplate.

Only applicable if the Modem is plugged into the Master Socket.  Any extensions will run from the 'Telephone' side, assuming of course you havent run a dedicated cable from the ADSL side..... pointless IMO.

ADSL filters cost pennies, so I dont see the point in paying extra for both faceplates and cabling to have these in your home.
Title: Re: Extention BT Socket
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 January 2010, 08:23:19
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Yep.  They can run in series.  Remember though that you'll need an ADSL filter for each socket if you have a phone / modem / Sky Box / other device plugged in.

ADSL Modems are better suited to be plugged into the Master Socket, although, mine is plugged in about 80metres along the line, and works perfectly.


Thoght you only needed one filter in the system, have bought a replacement face plate with BT and ADSL sockets in.

Ignore tony  :P. The filtered faceplate means you only need one socket....but, your modem needs to either plug into the facelplate or be wired seperately from the phones
Title: Re: Extention BT Socket
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 January 2010, 08:30:35
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If you're using an NTE5 faceplate (separate dsl and phone sockets) you don't need filters at all as the dsl signal is filtered out from the phone signal by the faceplate.

Only applicable if the Modem is plugged into the Master Socket.  Any extensions will run from the 'Telephone' side, assuming of course you havent run a dedicated cable from the ADSL side..... pointless IMO.

ADSL filters cost pennies, so I dont see the point in paying extra for both faceplates and cabling to have these in your home.

Simple.....in order to get the optimum performance from your adsl setup, you either need to be plugged into the main faceplate or, use good twisted pair cable (Cat5 works very well) for a dedicated extension for your modem.

The reason being that

1) Phone wires will pick up domestic noise around the house

2) Standard phone cable is very poor quality

3) You have less stubs in the system which cause reflections

Doing this will help to keep the noise down which can give better speeds and a more reliable connection.
Title: Re: Extention BT Socket
Post by: TheBoy on 11 January 2010, 09:03:41
MDTM is absolutely correct.  A service specific faceplate will mean no further filters required.


It is perfectly accesptable to wire one extn from another.  Be aware, if your sockets are IDC type (best type), they are only rated to 2 connections anyway, meaning you can't wire 2 extns from another extn  (its is possible to get more than 2 connections on idc if reqd, but not ideal).

Also worth, if your phones can handle it, disconnecting the ringer wire from all sockets.


If you need router away from master socket, use good quality cable.


Lastly, I tend to make my own socket-router cable to be as short as possible using a good quality flat phone cable.
Title: Re: Extention BT Socket
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 11 January 2010, 13:45:25
Cheers for all the info.

My electric consumer meter is in a place were if I drill a hole through the wall I can shove cables straight through.  Also when BT put the new line in I had it situated so I could drill straight through the back box into the metre cuboard.  This was allways the intention for a BT socket for the alarm, then I realised if I fitted a double fronted face plate I could drop the power and BT line through for the phone, adding a 2nd socket (single or doulbe) just allows me to wire a second base in with all my old numbers on an older phone for now.

If I get a new router cable, it will go in the master socket face plate, bend and then go through the wall and hide the router in the meter cuboard.  max lenth of cable only needs to be a foot long.

Meter box is in the hall way, giving me a chance to work easily on the wiring and if neccesay drill through the outside wall to run other leads for TV, Phone or Network to other rooms.