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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: The Barge Captain on 16 April 2007, 14:34:55
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I need to get a new camcorder. Really just for filmimg my kids. Had a look through the laminated book of dreams (Argos) and there are too many to choose from. Thinking of mini DVD of preferably HDD.
Any recomendations for something with a good optical zoom, easy to use, and a decent battery life.
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Do you want to edit?
Rememeber that DVD and HDD cameras are not as good as DV
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Do you want to edit?
Rememeber that DVD and HDD cameras are not as good as DV
Not entirely true.....depends on the model of DV, DVD or HDD ......
DVD is very convenient, easy to edit on camera for simple stuff, doen't have to go through a computer or the player to simply play the stuff you have recorded etc...HDD or memory stick based is going to be similar..
I would make a choice based on what you intend to use it for and convenience......I personaly find DV a right pain on the arse, particularly downloading it to a PC then re-formating in order to blow it to a disk....but thats my perference...
As for quality, for what 99% of the population use them for....you wont notice a dam thing!
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Just looking for something to point at the kids when they are being cute, then delete thie bit where one of them sticks their nose onto the lens ;D
Long term storage onto DVD is the plan, so whatever will be easiest. We already have a DVD recorder so uploading isn't an issue, although with DV it does have to be done in real time which is APITA
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Just looking for something to point at the kids when they are being cute, then delete thie bit where one of them sticks their nose onto the lens ;D
Long term storage onto DVD is the plan, so whatever will be easiest. We already have a DVD recorder so uploading isn't an issue, although with DV it does have to be done in real time which is APITA
If you want to copy to the DVD recorder I expect you will need to go real time regardless of camera.
If you want to burn on DVD on a PC you can copy a lot quicker.
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Oh go for a big HDD as DVD is not a good real time recording solution at all.
At least a HDD doesn't "explode" while burning (about 1 in 30 DVDs does this - quite often dust caused or a duff printing).
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FInally the real time download to PC of DV doesn't bother me but then I am a perfectionist and tend to go for best results over quickest results
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At least a HDD doesn't "explode" while burning (about 1 in 30 DVDs does this - quite often dust caused or a duff printing).
Really? I have burned serveral thousand DVDs, and even more CDs, never seen one fail in that way...
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At least a HDD doesn't "explode" while burning (about 1 in 30 DVDs does this - quite often dust caused or a duff printing).
Really? I have burned serveral thousand DVDs, and even more CDs, never seen one fail in that way...
I have probs trying to burn dvd's in one of my dvd recorders....it consisently fails if i select 16x speed (max for it)....change it to 4x and it usually works....bung the disk in another dvd recorder and select 32x it works everytime.....i would suggest as in my case the laser is getting 'tired'
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At least a HDD doesn't "explode" while burning (about 1 in 30 DVDs does this - quite often dust caused or a duff printing).
Really? I have burned serveral thousand DVDs, and even more CDs, never seen one fail in that way...
I have probs trying to burn dvd's in one of my dvd recorders....it consisently fails if i select 16x speed (max for it)....change it to 4x and it usually works....bung the disk in another dvd recorder and select 32x it works everytime.....i would suggest as in my case the laser is getting 'tired'
Or simply not very well matched media/drive - some drives have inappropriate strategy to write fast to certain media.
Either way, have you ever seen discs come out damaged like Martin Imber?
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At least a HDD doesn't "explode" while burning (about 1 in 30 DVDs does this - quite often dust caused or a duff printing).
Really? I have burned serveral thousand DVDs, and even more CDs, never seen one fail in that way...
I have probs trying to burn dvd's in one of my dvd recorders....it consisently fails if i select 16x speed (max for it)....change it to 4x and it usually works....bung the disk in another dvd recorder and select 32x it works everytime.....i would suggest as in my case the laser is getting 'tired'
Or simply not very well matched media/drive - some drives have inappropriate strategy to write fast to certain media.
Either way, have you ever seen discs come out damaged like Martin Imber?
That's not very nice now is it >:( ;D
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At least a HDD doesn't "explode" while burning (about 1 in 30 DVDs does this - quite often dust caused or a duff printing).
Really? I have burned serveral thousand DVDs, and even more CDs, never seen one fail in that way...
I have probs trying to burn dvd's in one of my dvd recorders....it consisently fails if i select 16x speed (max for it)....change it to 4x and it usually works....bung the disk in another dvd recorder and select 32x it works everytime.....i would suggest as in my case the laser is getting 'tired'
Or simply not very well matched media/drive - some drives have inappropriate strategy to write fast to certain media.
Either way, have you ever seen discs come out damaged like Martin Imber?
That's not very nice now is it >:( ;D
LOL...
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At least a HDD doesn't "explode" while burning (about 1 in 30 DVDs does this - quite often dust caused or a duff printing).
Really? I have burned serveral thousand DVDs, and even more CDs, never seen one fail in that way...
Occasionally while burning it will error and take the disc out and it looks like there has been an explosion between the layers.
Could be something trapped or dust - I do not know and at 15 or so pence each I don't really care - just shove another in and start again.
But I would not trust DVD media with vital data on a first burn. I want copies and the data safe before burning
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At least a HDD doesn't "explode" while burning (about 1 in 30 DVDs does this - quite often dust caused or a duff printing).
Really? I have burned serveral thousand DVDs, and even more CDs, never seen one fail in that way...
I have probs trying to burn dvd's in one of my dvd recorders....it consisently fails if i select 16x speed (max for it)....change it to 4x and it usually works....bung the disk in another dvd recorder and select 32x it works everytime.....i would suggest as in my case the laser is getting 'tired'
Or simply not very well matched media/drive - some drives have inappropriate strategy to write fast to certain media.
Either way, have you ever seen discs come out damaged like Martin Imber?
Oi!!! >:( >:(
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Oh the damage is usually around 1 or 2mm diameter not big but it is like a mini explosion
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sony digital handycam mini dv
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Well....given your requirements.....you need DVD or harddisk....and given that the final required media is DVD......then DVD sounds the best option....as you can copy a disk in 10 mins or so...
HD and DV still have the pain in the arse slow download to a PC.........then onto a DVD (and in the case of DV it has to be re-processed...
Remember people, we are trying to offer a solution to somebodies requirements......were not blowing our OWN trumpets.......as biased as we may be....
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Well I still don't trust DVD as a recording medium.
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An interesting conversation guys, but i'm still looking for recomendations for something to buy.
I know The Boy is anti Sony but i am considering the following products from them
DCR-SR32E (£320) , DCR-SR52E (£360), DCR-SR72E (£400) , DCR-SR190E (£470)
Just need to sit down for a hour and compare specs. :-/
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They all look OK
You need to work out what you want - go for biggest drive and run on highest quality
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I do not use DVD camcorders, but for data, generally find DVD to be very reliable - moreso than any tape technology I've come across from a data point of view. Obviously, crap media is lower quality, so decent media is the answer.
And I've never seen the 'mini explosions' Martin Imber mentions (even with 7p DVDs) - that to me says a problematic drive or very low quality media.
As to which camcorder, if its just for 'family' type stuff, and not semi pro productions, I think you will be happy with anything on the market, be it budget brands or those where you pay a premium for the name.
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Thing is with DVD if it does fail if you are burning off a PC ect you can just do another - once burnt they are OK
Hard Disks are basically extremely reliable.
Modern cameras are not as well made as the early ones so don't expect them to last for ever.
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Had a look through the laminated book of dreams (Argos) ......
Ah! Another Bill Bailey fan. ;D :y :y
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Thing is with DVD if it does fail if you are burning off a PC ect you can just do another - once burnt they are OK
Quality media does bring this to nigh on 100% success. I tend to use Verbatim for data. Of the 100s, possibly 1000s of Verbatim I have used, I have never had a burn failure.
Obviously, the cheaper media I use is not as good.
Tapes can be equally unreliable. Smaller tapes, such as DAT and DV do have a tendency to chew up sometimes ;)
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Thing is with DVD if it does fail if you are burning off a PC ect you can just do another - once burnt they are OK
Quality media does bring this to nigh on 100% success. I tend to use Verbatim for data. Of the 100s, possibly 1000s of Verbatim I have used, I have never had a burn failure.
Obviously, the cheaper media I use is not as good.
Tapes can be equally unreliable. Smaller tapes, such as DAT and DV do have a tendency to chew up sometimes ;)
I find DVDs vary from batch to batch, Ritek G04 were good the newer ones not as good. As to tapes I have played back 1984 tapes, that said the 1987 tapes being better quality were fine!!!!
I do not know how long any modern media will last I think it is best to hedge bets over different types.
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Thing is with DVD if it does fail if you are burning off a PC ect you can just do another - once burnt they are OK
Quality media does bring this to nigh on 100% success. I tend to use Verbatim for data. Of the 100s, possibly 1000s of Verbatim I have used, I have never had a burn failure.
Obviously, the cheaper media I use is not as good.
Tapes can be equally unreliable. Smaller tapes, such as DAT and DV do have a tendency to chew up sometimes ;)
I find DVDs vary from batch to batch, Ritek G04 were good the newer ones not as good. As to tapes I have played back 1984 tapes, that said the 1987 tapes being better quality were fine!!!!
I do not know how long any modern media will last I think it is best to hedge bets over different types.
Ritek G04 is a dye, not a DVD. Therefore 'Ritek G04' DVDs can vary from utter rubbish to reasonable (for budget)...