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Title: what phone?
Post by: doog on 17 May 2010, 17:31:26
I am due a phone upgrade  but i dont know what one to get

I would like a smart phone  but not an apple I-phone

i have a sony erricson c905 just now and love the 8mp camera  which gives great results so i would like something with a decent camera

 oh and decent size button cos i have fingers like pigs tits  :y

anyone got any ideas?

Doug
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Peachy on 17 May 2010, 18:09:53
You MUST go for the new (ish) Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 cannot be faulted IMO.

http://www.priceit.in/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Sony-Ericsson-XPERIA-X10-01.jpg
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: waspy on 17 May 2010, 19:07:08
What ever you have, don't have a Samsung >:( I've loads of issues with every one i've had.
I'm back to Nokias when i'm ready for a new one :y
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: ScottieMV6 on 17 May 2010, 19:13:44
My Nokia 5800 is pretty good. Comes with 8GB memory so holds loads of music etc. It has a decent camera (5MP) and you can get apps (just like the I-Phone). I have also got Sat Nav on mine which is very good :y
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: plym ian on 17 May 2010, 19:26:35
I just upgraded to a blackberry 9700 and it is a good phone even though its got small buttons and I got fat fingers it works well I even get oof on the go :)
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Banjax on 17 May 2010, 19:35:35
get an I-phone - i know you don't want one but you're wrong ;D
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Del Boy on 17 May 2010, 19:38:47
iPhone, I think it's the way to go.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: splott on 17 May 2010, 19:59:01
Nokia 5800 xpress music, got everything the I-Phone has but not the street cred. Had one for a year now and never had a problem with it :y
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 17 May 2010, 21:17:45
The Xperia X1 is a sack of rubbish.  Not sure if Xperia X10 is made by HTC, but if it is, best avoided, as HTC have lost their mojo...


In fact, all Windows phones, it saddens me to say, should currently be avoided, as the new version due out later this year is not backwards/forewards compatible, so current models will become obsolete very quickly  :'(
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: tunnie on 17 May 2010, 21:35:45
indeed, Windows were fine with slide out keyboards, but since most touch screen phones dump the stylus, windows has struggled.

I have an Android handset, but thats thats not much cop either, its sluggish, no doubt to the crap HTC is pumping out these days  :(

Also have  Nokia 5800 in the office in box of 100's of phones, and quite frankly, it is the worst phone i have ever used, it is just appalling. Nokia have lost their way too, no way near what they were.

iPhone is way to go, as an actual phone its not that great, its also a tad big, but as a multi-media device its outstanding. I use my phone more for internet, apps, and texting than actual calls.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: MaxPerforma on 17 May 2010, 21:41:51
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Nokia 5800 xpress music, got everything the I-Phone has but not the street cred. Had one for a year now and never had a problem with it :y


I brought this phone a couple of months ago. I have had other makes but always stick with Nokia.

The built in satnav is pretty good too  :y
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: splott on 17 May 2010, 21:49:58
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Nokia 5800 xpress music, got everything the I-Phone has but not the street cred. Had one for a year now and never had a problem with it :y


I brought this phone a couple of months ago. I have had other makes but always stick with Nokia.

The built in satnav is pretty good too  :y

Sat nav is free aswell :y
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Sixstring on 18 May 2010, 09:50:39
My Blackberry Pearl 8200 GPS is brill, can OOF anywhere!
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: pscocoa on 18 May 2010, 15:07:30
You are going to get varying replies - Nokia X6 is my latest and is fine for my purposes with fair camera, maps, music etc.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Xplicit 2.0 on 18 May 2010, 15:51:53
iPhone... i have one and cant fault it. i also have a Blackberry Curve but the buttons are far too small... if u go Blackberry get the Storm2... they have now included wifi with this one unlike the first Storm (and its touch screen but i would imagine the buttons to be larger then that of most non-touch phones)
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 18 May 2010, 20:00:58
Just my 2 cents worth. I would look at the HTC Desire before you make your mind up, Its the best choice of smartphone right now. I would recommend the HTC HD2 like I have, but Windows Mobile is a love or hate thing for some people its not the right choice.

The Desire runs Android and is more user friendly and getting better all the time. Good Specs, Good Hi Res AMOLED Screen!!

In my oppinon the iPhone is a baby toy and not a good one at that, take the appstore away and what are you left with!! Poop!!! No Spare batterys!! Lo Res Very Poor Screen!! No Expandable Memory!! Poor Build Quality!! Bab Camera!! No Flash!! Locked down at every turn by Apple!! I can go on!!  :y

HTC are not perfect but are in another league to apple in my honnest oppinion.  :y

As for the X10, I was looking forward to this, thought It might be my next phone but now its out its just looks slow and glitchy to me, and it runs an old version of Android OS.

So now hoping and preying HTC Decide to launch the "HTC Evo" in the UK not just USA which is a 4G 8 Megapixel Superphone on Andriod with HDMI TV Output!!!! May be waiting a while though!!!
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 18 May 2010, 22:34:20
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Just my 2 cents worth. I would look at the HTC Desire before you make your mind up, Its the best choice of smartphone right now. I would recommend the HTC HD2 like I have, but Windows Mobile is a love or hate thing for some people its not the right choice.

The Desire runs Android and is more user friendly and getting better all the time. Good Specs, Good Hi Res AMOLED Screen!!

In my oppinon the iPhone is a baby toy and not a good one at that, take the appstore away and what are you left with!! Poop!!! No Spare batterys!! Lo Res Very Poor Screen!! No Expandable Memory!! Poor Build Quality!! Bab Camera!! No Flash!! Locked down at every turn by Apple!! I can go on!!  :y

HTC are not perfect but are in another league to apple in my honnest oppinion.  :y

As for the X10, I was looking forward to this, thought It might be my next phone but now its out its just looks slow and glitchy to me, and it runs an old version of Android OS.

So now hoping and preying HTC Decide to launch the "HTC Evo" in the UK not just USA which is a 4G 8 Megapixel Superphone on Andriod with HDMI TV Output!!!! May be waiting a while though!!!
Nothing good has come out of HTC for about 3yrs, sadly.  The get the headline specs, but spectacularly manage to make a mess of it, BTC Touch Pro being a prime example - the specs are fantastic, but the package is truely awful!!

iPhone's hardware falls over spectacularly on the phone section. It has a weak signal.

WM6.5 is dead. WM7 isn't here. Android struggles not to be a has-been. Symbian has fallen behind. iPhone OS from v3 upwards works better than the competition, and is far more stable.

Any Smartphone relies on its Apps, and App Store makes this easy.


Yes, I think Apple have closed it too much, but then thats the way Apple works, be it Macs or iPhones.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: harpersimon on 19 May 2010, 14:07:02
iphone. Anything else is pretending to be an iphone but isn't. No comparision. I have had pretty well every phone at one stage or other and the iphone dumps on all of them from a great height.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 19 May 2010, 14:59:39
My phone doesn't pretend to be an iPhone, it eats them for breakfast!

Your statement is wrong really, I think you mean anything else is trying to beat the iPhone, which is true but that has been done many times by many phones, its the appstore which hasn't been beaten. YET!

Please don't get me started as you will loose!! hehe

I hate Apple more than I hate hitler!!  :y
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 19 May 2010, 22:04:22
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My phone doesn't pretend to be an iPhone, it eats them for breakfast!

Your statement is wrong really, I think you mean anything else is trying to beat the iPhone, which is true but that has been done many times by many phones, its the appstore which hasn't been beaten. YET!

Please don't get me started as you will loose!! hehe

I hate Apple more than I hate hitler!!  :y
I dislike Apple products with a passion, but would, sadly, have to concede that the iPhone beats the smartphone competition on most fronts, even before the App Store was launched.

If Windows Mobile had a better hardware manufacturer, that would have been a serious competitor, but sadly only HTC really, and they lost their way a few years back (bit of a 1 or 2 hit wonder).  HTC spent too much time with their eye off the ball trying to make Windows more iPhone like, and trying to get Android to work.

Nokia have 2 OSes, none of them particularly suited to touchscreen use.

SE use HTC for their top notch smartphones, with the problems that entails.


Yes, crApple don't allow memory upgrades, and make battery replacement a pain.  Fairly typical of their close mentality.  But if thats the price to pay for stability/speed/usability......
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: tunnie on 19 May 2010, 22:25:51
No matter what handset, Windows Mobile is dead. Used to be a huge fan with older handsets, but latest stuff churned out from HTC now is crap. It has the spec but just does not work, my phone has 196mb of RAM but still runs like poo.

I have tried Android but its no way near ready, iPhone is way ahead of the competition.

Got HTC HD, HD2, Desire, Google Nexus, loads of latest Nokia's  all in the phone pot at work, and i don't like any of them!


Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 20 May 2010, 10:42:06
Think were always going to agree to disagree. Think people get blinded by the iPhone's slick UI and forget about all its shitness and shortfalls.

I could reel them all off be we all know what they are, if you choose to ingore them thats up to you.

Not saying Android & WM don't have issues but iPhone is just the same old shit with the same old icons, I would be bored in a few days!!  :y
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 20 May 2010, 11:57:24
I must admit that, even after 18 years working in the mobile phone industry, I have problems appreciating why people need these bloated phones.  ;)

For me, a mobile needs to be with me all the time and primarily gets used for voice calls and messaging, so it must be small, light, have a good battery life (the best part of a week) and be usable for the above.

I have a proper camera for taking photos, a proper PC for running "apps" and a netbook to do same if I happen to be out and about.

If I'm in a situation where I can stop and send a mail or do some surfing I can get the "proper" computer out rather than mess about with keys 1/3rd the size of my fingers and a poxy touch screen.

The thing that gets me about the i-phone, having used one a little, is that it is, IMHO, utterly rubbish for voice calls and SMS/MMS messaging. Speech quality is appalling and the messaging support was clearly an afterthought.

So, put as many bells and whistles as you like on it. If it doesn't function properly as a phone, it's a dead loss, IMHO.

Is it only me who's still mourning the passing of the 6310i?  ;D

Kevin
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 20 May 2010, 18:50:55
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I must admit that, even after 18 years working in the mobile phone industry, I have problems appreciating why people need these bloated phones.  ;)

For me, a mobile needs to be with me all the time and primarily gets used for voice calls and messaging, so it must be small, light, have a good battery life (the best part of a week) and be usable for the above.

I have a proper camera for taking photos, a proper PC for running "apps" and a netbook to do same if I happen to be out and about.

If I'm in a situation where I can stop and send a mail or do some surfing I can get the "proper" computer out rather than mess about with keys 1/3rd the size of my fingers and a poxy touch screen.

The thing that gets me about the i-phone, having used one a little, is that it is, IMHO, utterly rubbish for voice calls and SMS/MMS messaging. Speech quality is appalling and the messaging support was clearly an afterthought.

So, put as many bells and whistles as you like on it. If it doesn't function properly as a phone, it's a dead loss, IMHO.

Is it only me who's still mourning the passing of the 6310i?  ;D

Kevin
No! Brilliant phone!

Its downside, for my needs, were lack of email and web. So I used to carry an iPaq around, paired to phone.  Then I decided to get a combined device, and that was me hooked on smartphones - simply one device rather than 2.  The compromise was battery life, which was 3 or 4 days on my 2nd HTC phone.

When that died, I stuck with similar, got a HTC Touch Pro - bloody appallingly bad phone.  Brief fling with an Experia X1, every bit as bad.  Even tried one of the Android ones for a couple of days, thats hopeless (both the HTC hardware, and the buggy OS).

All this time, Mrs TheBoy's gayPhone did everything she needed from it, and did it without fuss, messing around, or crashing.  The compromise is battery life again (daily charge needed), and a suspect phone reception (about the same as the poor reception on HTC devices - fine in good signal, poor in weak).
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 20 May 2010, 18:53:59
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No matter what handset, Windows Mobile is dead. Used to be a huge fan with older handsets, but latest stuff churned out from HTC now is crap. It has the spec but just does not work, my phone has 196mb of RAM but still runs like poo.

I have tried Android but its no way near ready, iPhone is way ahead of the competition.

Got HTC HD, HD2, Desire, Google Nexus, loads of latest Nokia's  all in the phone pot at work, and i don't like any of them!


Tunnie you are too much helpful ;D

at least choose one , so we can buy.. :-/
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 20 May 2010, 19:00:49
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No matter what handset, Windows Mobile is dead. Used to be a huge fan with older handsets, but latest stuff churned out from HTC now is crap. It has the spec but just does not work, my phone has 196mb of RAM but still runs like poo.

I have tried Android but its no way near ready, iPhone is way ahead of the competition.

Got HTC HD, HD2, Desire, Google Nexus, loads of latest Nokia's  all in the phone pot at work, and i don't like any of them!


Tunnie you are too much helpful ;D

at least choose one , so we can buy.. :-/
For smartphones, cem, it really depends on what you value, and what you can compromise on. None of them are perfect all-rounders...
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 20 May 2010, 19:11:34
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No matter what handset, Windows Mobile is dead. Used to be a huge fan with older handsets, but latest stuff churned out from HTC now is crap. It has the spec but just does not work, my phone has 196mb of RAM but still runs like poo.

I have tried Android but its no way near ready, iPhone is way ahead of the competition.

Got HTC HD, HD2, Desire, Google Nexus, loads of latest Nokia's  all in the phone pot at work, and i don't like any of them!


Tunnie you are too much helpful ;D

at least choose one , so we can buy.. :-/
For smartphones, cem, it really depends on what you value, and what you can compromise on. None of them are perfect all-rounders...

sar value, photo quality, gps.. not too much isnt it :-/
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: jimbobmccoy on 20 May 2010, 19:44:42
I turned 3g off on my iPhone after a day. It helps battery life a little (granted it still needs a daily charge) but more importantly it has pretty much solved the signal issues.
I can be sat in one spot and have no signal, turn off 3g and have full reception, albeit, edge or a normal signal.
It's still fine for emailing and tbh browsing isn't a whole lot slower than on 3g.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Broomies Mate on 20 May 2010, 23:02:45
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My phone doesn't pretend to be an iPhone, it eats them for breakfast!

Your statement is wrong really, I think you mean anything else is trying to beat the iPhone, which is true but that has been done many times by many phones, its the appstore which hasn't been beaten. YET!

Please don't get me started as you will loose!! hehe

I hate Apple more than I hate hitler!!
  :y

Which is why your 'factual' input really doesn't count for much.  Until you have an un-biased view, your opinion becomes jaded, and therefore, useless.

You are like the Apple FanBoy's who wont touch anything 'IBM based', but in reverse.  It's quite frankly pathetic.

Nobody who has any knowledge can say the iPhone is as bad as you claim.  It is an excellent multimedia device.  Apple should unleash it a little though.  That's the way Apple work, and work they do!

I'd personally never have one, because I like to use a phone as a phone.  I'll ultimately have to own one of these 'stupid piss poor attempts of being a proper computer' in the near future, as there wont be a choice.  Until then, I'll stick with my phone....... and use it as a phone.

And no, I'm not in my 60's and I'm not a technophobe.  I'm 28, and I'm a Computer Hardware Engineer.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 09:34:55
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My phone doesn't pretend to be an iPhone, it eats them for breakfast!

Your statement is wrong really, I think you mean anything else is trying to beat the iPhone, which is true but that has been done many times by many phones, its the appstore which hasn't been beaten. YET!

Please don't get me started as you will loose!! hehe

I hate Apple more than I hate hitler!!
  :y

Which is why your 'factual' input really doesn't count for much.  Until you have an un-biased view, your opinion becomes jaded, and therefore, useless.

You are like the Apple FanBoy's who wont touch anything 'IBM based', but in reverse.  It's quite frankly pathetic.

Nobody who has any knowledge can say the iPhone is as bad as you claim.  It is an excellent multimedia device.  Apple should unleash it a little though.  That's the way Apple work, and work they do!

I'd personally never have one, because I like to use a phone as a phone.  I'll ultimately have to own one of these 'stupid piss poor attempts of being a proper computer' in the near future, as there wont be a choice.  Until then, I'll stick with my phone....... and use it as a phone.

And no, I'm not in my 60's and I'm not a technophobe.  I'm 28, and I'm a Computer Hardware Engineer.
As a phone, its not the best. Some nice touches on it for usability, but poor reception in weak areas ensures its not a great phone.  Few smartphones are to be honest - cramming so much into small packaging, just seems they end up compromising the radio.

So if you want a phone to be a phone only, the older Nokias (6210/6310 era) still rule...
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: pscocoa on 21 May 2010, 11:10:01
Have to agree with TB - as a phone my son's IP is totally useless - reception, calls not going through.

I am back on Nokia's after various flirtations with Windows Mobile.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 21 May 2010, 13:21:19
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My phone doesn't pretend to be an iPhone, it eats them for breakfast!

Your statement is wrong really, I think you mean anything else is trying to beat the iPhone, which is true but that has been done many times by many phones, its the appstore which hasn't been beaten. YET!

Please don't get me started as you will loose!! hehe

I hate Apple more than I hate hitler!!
  :y

Which is why your 'factual' input really doesn't count for much.  Until you have an un-biased view, your opinion becomes jaded, and therefore, useless.

You are like the Apple FanBoy's who wont touch anything 'IBM based', but in reverse.  It's quite frankly pathetic.

Nobody who has any knowledge can say the iPhone is as bad as you claim.  It is an excellent multimedia device.  Apple should unleash it a little though.  That's the way Apple work, and work they do!

I'd personally never have one, because I like to use a phone as a phone.  I'll ultimately have to own one of these 'stupid piss poor attempts of being a proper computer' in the near future, as there wont be a choice.  Until then, I'll stick with my phone....... and use it as a phone.

And no, I'm not in my 60's and I'm not a technophobe.  I'm 28, and I'm a Computer Hardware Engineer.


Now I was really enjoying a nice little dibate here, its always a bit of fun when it comes to Apple vs the World etc. and thats all it should be, no need to get angry about it.

And you have to go and spoil it!! There is no need to start attacking people's oppinions in that way.

I am not pathetic, it is my oppinion, deal with it. You know nothing about me or my knowledge. Just because I made a joke about hitler you assume I talk crap!

No i haven't owned and iPhone but I know plenty of people that do, including my partner. Some like it some don't. All have broken, some more than once! I have had 5 HTC phones over the years and non of them have broken! All of them are also a little bid gelous when they see my phone and say does mine do that then? then I say, errrr no!!

That makes me happy, even though WM is not as slick and can crash from time to time. Its still a better OS for people that know how to use it. Again that is my oppinion!


For Jamie

As for saying HTC has lost its way I really disagree, they are the only people out there making progress, trying new things, creating a good spectrum of phones for people with different tastes. I do agree that they are lacking in some areas, for one they are trying to do too much, making to many phones and not perfecting any of them to their true potential. They need to slow down and focus on one or two devices and make them perfect!!
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 13:34:04
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As for saying HTC has lost its way I really disagree, they are the only people out there making progress, trying new things, creating a good spectrum of phones for people with different tastes. I do agree that they are lacking in some areas, for one they are trying to do too much, making to many phones and not perfecting any of them to their true potential. They need to slow down and focus on one or two devices and make them perfect!!
As an ex-HTC devotee, sadly we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.  Its not just 'innovations' (step backwards) like touch-flo, its basic hardware implementation - they aim to get the 'big figures' for marketing, but fail to make them work well.  Not dissimilar to looking around PCs in PC World - overpriced stuff with 'the right specs' but disappointly low performers.


No smartphone is perfect for everyone, there is no one-size-fits all, so we all have different requirements based on what we individually see as essential, and don't mind compromising on what is not essential to us.


If my old Touch Pro did what it claimed to do, I would still use it.  But it failed on virtually every level - slow, unstable, GPS was next to useless (I turned it on in Spalding when I picked up the Elite, *STILL* hadn't got a fix by the time I got to Northampton),poor battery life, poor phone signal, unstable bluetooth, suspect voice dialling, and not very rugged (keyboard had started to dettach after less than a year).
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 May 2010, 13:49:46
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My phone doesn't pretend to be an iPhone, it eats them for breakfast!

Your statement is wrong really, I think you mean anything else is trying to beat the iPhone, which is true but that has been done many times by many phones, its the appstore which hasn't been beaten. YET!

Please don't get me started as you will loose!! hehe

I hate Apple more than I hate hitler!!
  :y

Which is why your 'factual' input really doesn't count for much.  Until you have an un-biased view, your opinion becomes jaded, and therefore, useless.

You are like the Apple FanBoy's who wont touch anything 'IBM based', but in reverse.  It's quite frankly pathetic.

Nobody who has any knowledge can say the iPhone is as bad as you claim.  It is an excellent multimedia device.  Apple should unleash it a little though.  That's the way Apple work, and work they do!

I'd personally never have one, because I like to use a phone as a phone.  I'll ultimately have to own one of these 'stupid piss poor attempts of being a proper computer' in the near future, as there wont be a choice.  Until then, I'll stick with my phone....... and use it as a phone.

And no, I'm not in my 60's and I'm not a technophobe.  I'm 28, and I'm a Computer Hardware Engineer.
As a phone, its not the best. Some nice touches on it for usability, but poor reception in weak areas ensures its not a great phone.  Few smartphones are to be honest - cramming so much into small packaging, just seems they end up compromising the radio.

So if you want a phone to be a phone only, the older Nokias (6210/6310 era) still rule...

good news for the budget.. still using them ;D

but in restaurants where people put them on the table I feel mine like a dinosaur ;D
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 13:54:10
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My phone doesn't pretend to be an iPhone, it eats them for breakfast!

Your statement is wrong really, I think you mean anything else is trying to beat the iPhone, which is true but that has been done many times by many phones, its the appstore which hasn't been beaten. YET!

Please don't get me started as you will loose!! hehe

I hate Apple more than I hate hitler!!
  :y

Which is why your 'factual' input really doesn't count for much.  Until you have an un-biased view, your opinion becomes jaded, and therefore, useless.

You are like the Apple FanBoy's who wont touch anything 'IBM based', but in reverse.  It's quite frankly pathetic.

Nobody who has any knowledge can say the iPhone is as bad as you claim.  It is an excellent multimedia device.  Apple should unleash it a little though.  That's the way Apple work, and work they do!

I'd personally never have one, because I like to use a phone as a phone.  I'll ultimately have to own one of these 'stupid piss poor attempts of being a proper computer' in the near future, as there wont be a choice.  Until then, I'll stick with my phone....... and use it as a phone.

And no, I'm not in my 60's and I'm not a technophobe.  I'm 28, and I'm a Computer Hardware Engineer.
As a phone, its not the best. Some nice touches on it for usability, but poor reception in weak areas ensures its not a great phone.  Few smartphones are to be honest - cramming so much into small packaging, just seems they end up compromising the radio.

So if you want a phone to be a phone only, the older Nokias (6210/6310 era) still rule...

good news for the budget.. still using them ;D

but in restaurants where people put them on the table I feel mine like a dinosaur ;D
But not gay like certain smartphone users... ;)
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 21 May 2010, 13:55:29
Yeah I know bud, never gonna agree on everything, the world would be a boring place if we did.

I'd just like to say my HD2 does everything I need and more. I know it has glitches but HTC do generally fix them eventually or XDA do. I really like HTC Sense, everything is close to hand. And the main thing is it does more than 1 thing at a time!  :y


Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Sixstring on 21 May 2010, 14:05:28
Nobody has mentioned Blackberries much, does that mean nobody likes them, or is it they are not considered a real "smartphone"??

My BB pearl has GPS, satnav, reads/sends emails, does OOF pretty much everywhere, has ok battery life, is not a brick, and makes a pretty decent job of being a phone too.

nobody like them but me??
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 21 May 2010, 14:08:26
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Nobody has mentioned Blackberries much, does that mean nobody likes them, or is it they are not considered a real "smartphone"??

My BB pearl has GPS, satnav, reads/sends emails, does OOF pretty much everywhere, has ok battery life, is not a brick, and makes a pretty decent job of being a phone too.

nobody like them but me??


They are something that I know nothing about, I know people that use them and seem happy with them but for some reason they don't have any appeal to me. I don't know if its just the design of them or the fact that most have a full keyboard on them and to me thats just a waste of real estate, prefer big big screen and touch keyboard. hehe
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 14:11:53
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Nobody has mentioned Blackberries much, does that mean nobody likes them, or is it they are not considered a real "smartphone"??

My BB pearl has GPS, satnav, reads/sends emails, does OOF pretty much everywhere, has ok battery life, is not a brick, and makes a pretty decent job of being a phone too.

nobody like them but me??
BB's make sense in the corporate world, but why on earth would anybody consider them in a non corporate environment :o

BB's still rule in corporates, due to centralised control and configuration.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Sixstring on 21 May 2010, 14:11:58
BTW....the BB pearl is exactly the same size as a LG chocolate, but slimmer.

small keys though...........
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 14:22:11
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Yeah I know bud, never gonna agree on everything, the world would be a boring place if we did.

I'd just like to say my HD2 does everything I need and more. I know it has glitches but HTC do generally fix them eventually or XDA do. I really like HTC Sense, everything is close to hand. And the main thing is it does more than 1 thing at a time!  :y


Yes, but badly ;).  True multitasking (rather than the half hearted attempt Apple currently have) with be the iPhone's undoing I reckon.

That said, WM is poor at multitasking - the CE architecture is nearer to Windows 95 than modern OS's.

WM's biggest issue now is lack of direction - app vendors won't develop for it now, and will play a wait-and-see game with W7M.  That was the final nail for me, and reason I have now left the WM camp  :'(.  WM6.5 I thought was a big step in the right direction for WM over 6

MS tend to patch up WM promptly (or did), HTC had always been far to lax imho - possibly because no software/firmware could help with the poor hardware implementations.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 21 May 2010, 14:31:02
Well it works fine to me, I can run my sat nav and take a call etc. While the sat nav still gives me directions in background.

Or write an e-mail or browse the net while in a call.

Better yet Play Gran Turismo 2 while uploading pictures & videos to youtube!! (I aint actually done this one but it is possible) hehe

Thats all the multitasking I need generally. Lets see iPhone do that.

Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 14:46:29
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Well it works fine to me, I can run my sat nav and take a call etc. While the sat nav still gives me directions in background.

Or write an e-mail or browse the net while in a call.

Better yet Play Gran Turismo 2 while uploading pictures & videos to youtube!! (I aint actually done this one but it is possible) hehe

Thats all the multitasking I need generally. Lets see iPhone do that.

I'm on Vodafone, so no matter what phone I use, I fall over on the 'during a call' bit, because unless you are on top of Vodafone's headquarters around here, forget trying to use anything as a phone ;D


Though, just for your info, the crApple gayPhone can do half-arsed multitasking with certain apps (phone being one of those), so it is certainly possible to do web/email/satnav/games whilst in a call.

To the best of my knowledge, however, crApple gayPhone cannot play Grand Tourismo ;D
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 21 May 2010, 14:47:31
This was my second ever cellular telephone (the first was even bigger) ;D ;D

The option of displaying it on the restaurant table was never considered due to the size and the obligation we had to carry them in a briefcase out of sight. :-X


(http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/Catdracula/SDC10193.jpg)

At the moment I'm phone less - and surviving since losing my Motorola A 1000 - despite two Treo 600's, a brace of Blackberry's? and a S/E 910i  laying on the desk as I type this. ::)

I wouldn't mind another up to date telephone that would allow me to OOF when on the HOOF but am clueless as to what to get :-[ :-[
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 14:47:49
Actually, just nicked her phone, looks like there is a gran tourismo 5 preview in app store, free as well (as its a preview I guess)??
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 14:50:15
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This was my second ever cellular telephone (the first was even bigger) ;D ;D

The option of displaying it on the restaurant table was never considered due to the size and the obligation we had to carry them in a briefcase out of sight. :-X


(http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/Catdracula/SDC10193.jpg)

At the moment I'm phone less - and surviving since losing my Motorola A 1000 - despite two Treo 600's, a brace of Blackberry's? and a S/E 910i  laying on the desk as I type this. ::)

I wouldn't mind another up to date telephone that would allow me to OOF when on the HOOF but am clueless as to what to get :-[ :-[
I had a Cellnet Ruby ::)
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: STMO999 on 21 May 2010, 14:50:17
I use my phone to make and receive calls. Am I weird? ;D
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 21 May 2010, 14:52:09
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This was my second ever cellular telephone (the first was even bigger)
That was about the state of the art when I first got involved with them. Things were so simple then. :)
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At the moment I'm phone less - and surviving since losing my Motorola A 1000....

I wouldn't mind another up to date telephone that would allow me to OOF when on the HOOF but am clueless as to what to get :-[ :-[

Well, in my experience, if you've previously tolerated a Motorola A1000, things can only get better. ;)

Kevin
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Sixstring on 21 May 2010, 14:52:47
unfortunately, BB's don't play games very well................

but "OOF on the HOOF" (like that, Zulu.............!)it does very well.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 21 May 2010, 14:56:38
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Actually, just nicked her phone, looks like there is a gran tourismo 5 preview in app store, free as well (as its a preview I guess)??


hehe, I very much doubt it will be the full game, it will be some cheap reproduction thats a few meg. And called it Gran Tursimo.

I'm talking about any PSX game. I know there is a PSX Emanulator for the gayPhone too but it runs like Poo!! LOL LOL
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 21 May 2010, 15:24:37
Just been looking online & although you can do e-mail and calendar while in a call. All the sat nav does is close then reopen and remember your destination. So in fact if you took a call you would be temporarily be lost until you end the call. usefull!! hehe  :y
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 15:37:23
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Actually, just nicked her phone, looks like there is a gran tourismo 5 preview in app store, free as well (as its a preview I guess)??


hehe, I very much doubt it will be the full game, it will be some cheap reproduction thats a few meg. And called it Gran Tursimo.

I'm talking about any PSX game. I know there is a PSX Emanulator for the gayPhone too but it runs like Poo!! LOL LOL
She hasn't got any emulators on hers, she likes the simple, quick games. Much like myself, which is the reason we don't own a gayStation, and Xbox360 isn't used for games.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 21 May 2010, 15:42:56
To be honest I rarely get chance to use it myself, just nice to know it can do it. And nice wiping the smug smiles off gayphone users now and then. Its worth having just for that. hehe
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 15:45:27
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Just been looking online & although you can do e-mail and calendar while in a call. All the sat nav does is close then reopen and remember your destination. So in fact if you took a call you would be temporarily be lost until you end the call. usefull!! hehe  :y
Hmmm, I have just fired up the satnav on hers whilst I was on the phone, seemed OK to me, other than bloody irratating ;D.  I think I'd prefer it myself if it did block out the Satnav.  Being a male, I can on concentrate on one thing - driving, satnav or phone call ;D ;D.  Guess it depends on what software you are running for the satnav?

Personally, satnav wise, I would rather use the one built in the car, seeing as *ALL* portable ones are poor in comparison. Though will concede, I always have it installed on phone for emergencies.



As we said earlier, we all have different priorities, if one of yours is playing old gayStation games, thats fine :y.  Just don't knock the other options based on incorrect information you have about their capabilities  :P
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 15:54:23
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To be honest I rarely get chance to use it myself, just nice to know it can do it. And nice wiping the smug smiles off gayphone users now and then. Its worth having just for that. hehe
The gayPhone is as capable as any other smartphone.  You could argue, due to its interface, and Apple's 'closed' system, that its more accessible to people who can't deal with technology (like my brother, or Mrs TheBoy ;D).  Therefore it probably attracts a lot of people who do not know/understand how to get the best out of such devices ;)

Bit like Blackberry users ;D ;D


WM has always been a bit 'geeky' and attracted a different kind of user, generally more savvy.  Its advanatges are (were) a more generic underlying OS (not designed for phones at all), and a massive software library, though each has its own interface.

Love it or loath it, iPhone has changed the market, and virtually everyone - MS, BB, HTC etc are trying to emulate it (badly so far).
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Sixstring on 21 May 2010, 15:58:00
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OOH!!!    Bitchy!!!   Me-ow!!
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 21 May 2010, 15:59:45
I apologise if that is the case. Which sat nav is it?

I can't test on my girlfriend as she don't have sat nav on it.

This is a small snippet from a TomTom Review I found though.

"some problems remain. With a few background exceptions, the iPhone can only run one thing at a time, so if you want to do anything else, you have to quit your sat-nav app.

Of course, you shouldn't be mucking about with email while doing 70 on the motorway, but it's nevertheless irritating that an incoming call causes your navigation to quit. (You can always relaunch it while talking – calls are one of the exceptions that can run in the background – but it's still imperfect."


From Jan 2010 but It may be out of date already if there has been updates.  :y
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 16:14:04
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I apologise if that is the case. Which sat nav is it?

I can't test on my girlfriend as she don't have sat nav on it.

This is a small snippet from a TomTom Review I found though.

"some problems remain. With a few background exceptions, the iPhone can only run one thing at a time, so if you want to do anything else, you have to quit your sat-nav app.

Of course, you shouldn't be mucking about with email while doing 70 on the motorway, but it's nevertheless irritating that an incoming call causes your navigation to quit. (You can always relaunch it while talking – calls are one of the exceptions that can run in the background – but it's still imperfect."


From Jan 2010 but It may be out of date already if there has been updates.  :y
I quickly tried in on copilot, which is what she uses as it is cheap ;D.  I was on the phone at the time, talking some idiot through a process to reboot a server, so didn't try what happens if an incoming call comes in. She's now gone out, so can't test currently.  Secretly, I hope it DOES shut down (or shut up) the satnav app  :-X.  iPhone Tomtom not a patch on the old WM version (that was similar in abilities to standalone unit) imho.

My old Touch Pro couldn't handle an incoming call when running Tomtom - everything just crawled to a halt.  The stupid thing couldn't even run CheckPOInt and Tomtom together, yet my 7yr old iPaq can run that combination fine, with Media Player in the background (I still use my iPaq on the Kawasaki for tunes, satnav, and DECENT speedcamera (hence CheckPOInt)).  Had a brief fling with a Sony Ericsson Xperia X1, that was every bit as kack as the Touch Pro (hardly surprising).  My old HTC Herpes (or was it tyntyn - the first with slide out keyboards) or whatever it was "Just worked". Much like gayPhones  :'(
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 21 May 2010, 16:25:31
Let me know, I use copilot also because it is cheap, find its pretty good to be honest especially the text to speech, Last time I tried it was dredfull, now its really clear speach and doesn't sound that computerised. Its routing can be a little strange sometimes, but lets face it when you haven't got a clue where you are it doesn't matter as long as you get there.

As for running multiple apps the HD2 will just keep going, I have it set to close on X (i'm sure you know what i mean) rather than minimise, only to save memory & effectivle battery power but if you change the setting every app you open stays open and it just keeps going. Assuming its all thanks to the 1ghz Snapdragon.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 16:29:42
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Let me know, I use copilot also because it is cheap, find its pretty good to be honest especially the text to speech, Last time I tried it was dredfull, now its really clear speach and doesn't sound that computerised. Its routing can be a little strange sometimes, but lets face it when you haven't got a clue where you are it doesn't matter as long as you get there.

As for running multiple apps the HD2 will just keep going, I have it set to close on X (i'm sure you know what i mean) rather than minimise, only to save memory & effectivle battery power but if you change the setting every app you open stays open and it just keeps going. Assuming its all thanks to the 1ghz Snapdragon.
Not sure why I don't like co-pilot. She doesn't have Text to Speech on hers (unless she has bought that add-on recently).

Might be I am too used to the 'tomtom way' of doing things.  Also, postcode on copilot is a bit clunky in that it makes destination history a bit generic. Most annoyingly is that I cannot find a simple way to preplan a route without a gps signal.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Peachy on 21 May 2010, 16:30:49
I used the Sat Nav on my son's Vodafone H1 360 this week and was perfect. Thumbs up from me. :y :y :y
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 21 May 2010, 16:34:50
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Let me know, I use copilot also because it is cheap, find its pretty good to be honest especially the text to speech, Last time I tried it was dredfull, now its really clear speach and doesn't sound that computerised. Its routing can be a little strange sometimes, but lets face it when you haven't got a clue where you are it doesn't matter as long as you get there.

As for running multiple apps the HD2 will just keep going, I have it set to close on X (i'm sure you know what i mean) rather than minimise, only to save memory & effectivle battery power but if you change the setting every app you open stays open and it just keeps going. Assuming its all thanks to the 1ghz Snapdragon.
Not sure why I don't like co-pilot. She doesn't have Text to Speech on hers (unless she has bought that add-on recently).

Might be I am too used to the 'tomtom way' of doing things.  Also, postcode on copilot is a bit clunky in that it makes destination history a bit generic. Most annoyingly is that I cannot find a simple way to preplan a route without a gps signal.


Strange maybe its just the iPhone version but I haven't had any postcode issues. As for planning a route without GPS, I just go into Plan or Edit Trip. You can then add stops, first being the start point etc. Then click go. It then plans the route for you. Simples.


Edit: I may be wrong about that!! Just looking now and it looks like it still uses your last know location as a start point. HHHHmmmmmmm
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 21 May 2010, 16:35:33
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I use my phone to make and receive calls. Am I weird? ;D

Yeah. ;D ;D

I have mine purely for people to contact me, I try never to ring anyone on it, it costs money....  Does that make me more weird than you.  ::)
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 May 2010, 16:41:58
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Let me know, I use copilot also because it is cheap, find its pretty good to be honest especially the text to speech, Last time I tried it was dredfull, now its really clear speach and doesn't sound that computerised. Its routing can be a little strange sometimes, but lets face it when you haven't got a clue where you are it doesn't matter as long as you get there.

As for running multiple apps the HD2 will just keep going, I have it set to close on X (i'm sure you know what i mean) rather than minimise, only to save memory & effectivle battery power but if you change the setting every app you open stays open and it just keeps going. Assuming its all thanks to the 1ghz Snapdragon.
Not sure why I don't like co-pilot. She doesn't have Text to Speech on hers (unless she has bought that add-on recently).

Might be I am too used to the 'tomtom way' of doing things.  Also, postcode on copilot is a bit clunky in that it makes destination history a bit generic. Most annoyingly is that I cannot find a simple way to preplan a route without a gps signal.


Strange maybe its just the iPhone version but I haven't had any postcode issues. As for planning a route without GPS, I just go into Plan or Edit Trip. You can then add stops, first being the start point etc. Then click go. It then plans the route for you. Simples.
If you use a postcode, then later what to return to that same place, its in history. Only its wrong.  For example, for my postcode, the history shows Halse (another village, about 1m outside of Brackley). For her dad in Horspath, it shows it in history as Forest Hill. Great for privacy, but PITA otherwise ;D

I'll try the advance route planning, if that cures it, thats one less annoyance :y
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 21 May 2010, 16:44:27
If I use a postcode it just comes up with the address in the recent page, seems normal. Did you see my edit. The Plan route thing don't work like I thought it did bud. Shame.
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: Sixstring on 21 May 2010, 16:52:12
You two STILL playing "Top Trumps"????
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 21 May 2010, 17:02:05
Yeah!! Its fun!!
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 21 May 2010, 17:04:47
Be nice to hear what Doog thinks? Have you made a choice?
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 May 2010, 10:33:11
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If I use a postcode it just comes up with the address in the recent page, seems normal. Did you see my edit. The Plan route thing don't work like I thought it did bud. Shame.
The plan thing works as you originally said (or appears to)
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: richardirv on 22 May 2010, 15:26:32
Good stuff, mine just remembers where it was when the sat nav was last turned off and uses that at a start point.  :'(
Title: Re: what phone?
Post by: doog on 04 June 2010, 11:41:11
I have just come off the phone to T-mobile  who have offered me an i-phone to stay with them  the monthly payment plan is the same as it was £35pm.

I thought o2 had the rights to provide i-phones on contract in the UK  or has that changed ?