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Title: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Darryl Flynn on 18 August 2006, 21:15:58
I was after a bit more space compared to my T reg 2.5 CD Omega Estate.

Been offered a really nice condition  2.2 P reg Sintra.  75K on the clock and only 2 owners for £1900.

When i did some research on these they seem to get a universal slating in almost every department.

Question.    Consider buying it or walk away and keep walking? :-/


Thanks Darryl
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Markie on 18 August 2006, 21:46:44
no personal experience of them ut from what i have heard seems to one of Vauxhalls worse along with Frontera!!
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: tunnie on 18 August 2006, 21:48:07
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I was after a bit more space compared to my T reg 2.5 CD Omega Estate.

Bit more space?? the megga Estates are huge!!! :o

If its the Sintra 2.2 is the same lump as the facelift 2.2's then its a reliable lump & cheap to maintain...

What do you need to haul to warrent more space? people or stuff??
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Auto Addict on 18 August 2006, 23:53:42
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I was after a bit more space compared to my T reg 2.5 CD Omega Estate.

Bit more space?? the megga Estates are huge!!! :o

If its the Sintra 2.2 is the same lump as the facelift 2.2's then its a reliable lump & cheap to maintain...

What do you need to haul to warrent more space? people or stuff??

Listen to tunnie, he's an 'expert'. ;)
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Markie on 19 August 2006, 09:37:45
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I was after a bit more space compared to my T reg 2.5 CD Omega Estate.

Bit more space?? the megga Estates are huge!!! :o

If its the Sintra 2.2 is the same lump as the facelift 2.2's then its a reliable lump & cheap to maintain...

What do you need to haul to warrent more space? people or stuff??

Listen to tunnie, he's an 'expert'. ;)

And at this rate you and i one day soon can be experts  ;)
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 19 August 2006, 10:17:11
You need a few more posts yet.....

Remember that the Sintra i basically a US van so handling is the biggest let down on them.

The 3.0 V6 goes like stink though, got to say it sounds a little pricey as they don hold their money.
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Martin_1962 on 19 August 2006, 10:29:53
If seats get a 7 seat conversion
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: tunnie on 19 August 2006, 10:36:29
If its loading space you need, i'd get a van... if its seats then as martin says a 7 seat conversion for the boot. It would as safe as a people carrier if rear ended.

If you are looking for a people mover, i am sorry to say i would prob go for the Ford Galaxy.... :-[
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Goonlord on 19 August 2006, 20:43:23
Seem to remember that it was the worst mpv in crash testing
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: v6man54deg              Geffd on 20 August 2006, 17:18:08
I used to go to the factory in Atlanta - went 5 times for a good few weeks each time. although I was there for the V6 engine - as we used to build the heads and cams for the 2.2 - I ended up working on those aswell.
The sintra's handle great - On one visit i went on a 300 mile test run around Gorgia - We had five V6 sintra's to test - whilst driving you thought you were in a corsa - but here's the bad news.

The sintra in the states was marketed as what they call a minivan - this is a family car used to dropping the kids off at school - they fitted a mexican built 60 deg V6 to there model and it was also sold as a long wheel base as various Gm badges: Chevrolet, Pontiac Oldsmobile and Buick.

The build quality was crap - there was a 30% rejection rate when the cars entered Belgium and were inspected by Opel europe - this caused huge problems and then the yanks in return started picking faults on the Cadilac catera (us german built Omega)
Problems I found with the sintra:
They had a big promlem with the headliners: they used to fall down on peoples heads whilst driving.
Alarm issues - a good few.
Door fit - the yanks used to joke about this one - they said on a jap car if you left a pet in the car overnight and it was still alive in the morning - it was a problem car - on a US built car you would be lucky to find the pet still there and had not escaped through the gaps.

Paint - full of orange peel

Electrics/ wiring - in the states all cars use a standard wiring colour system. great idea but, its different than the Vauxhall /Opel - i.e black used on Vauxhall for ignition live was earth on the sintra and so on.
Battery uses an american type - its hard to get to set very low down in the inner wing.
Rear seats - they do not fold down like the Zafira - they are lightweight removable units - also they are too low for adults - your knees are up by your chin (like going your kids parents evening)

Rear sliding doors have a hinged window.

They also built a few DTI models.

All said and done - they were originally sold in Europe for around £22- £27K  but only $18k in the states for the long wheel base with a V6 (pushrod engine) but now you can pick them up for next to nothing - the V6 is basically the same unit as used in the Omega only with a reversed inlet manifold as used on the Saab 9000 - the 2.2 as I remember used bosch engine management and also balance shafts driven off the crankshaft to make it smooth although very underpowered.







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I was after a bit more space compared to my T reg 2.5 CD Omega Estate.

Been offered a really nice condition  2.2 P reg Sintra.  75K on the clock and only 2 owners for £1900.

When i did some research on these they seem to get a universal slating in almost every department.

Question.    Consider buying it or walk away and keep walking? :-/


Thanks Darryl
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Jay w on 20 August 2006, 17:34:47
i was working for a vauxhall dealer at the time they were current models, we used to call them Sintrash, they were not the best car Vauxhall made, for all the reasons Mark stated and more.....

If you could i would suggest getting the Zafira, smaller, but will still lug a lot of people and luggage around, the smallest engine to go for is the 1.8, i sold mine earlier this year with 135,000 on the clock and it was still going well with loads of life in it, lots of the X and Y rag ones are starting to come down in price quite a lot, moreso now the Mk2 version has been out for about a year now.
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Davey on 20 August 2006, 20:12:01
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no personal experience of them ut from what i have heard seems to one of Vauxhalls worse along with Frontera!!

If thats anything to go buy its probably an excelent car, the frontera is one of the most under-rated cars on the planet. Its the Shitty 2.0 8v SWB 'sport' that gave it a bad name.
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Del Boy on 20 August 2006, 20:19:32
I've drove one of these a 2.2 it handeled like a pig went ok but ment to be unreliable going back to the crash testing here's a link 4 it
http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/details.php?id1=5&id2=62
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Auto Addict on 20 August 2006, 20:25:53
Liked him singing 'My way' 8-)
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Darryl Flynn on 20 August 2006, 21:45:55
I really do worry about you  ;D
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 20 August 2006, 21:49:42
If your going Frontera you need the 96/97 onwards unit which is basically the old Isuzu trooper and has the proper ladder chassi....plus a good 2.8 diesel power plant......they still murder Discos off road.
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Martin_1962 on 20 August 2006, 22:32:20
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If your going Frontera you need the 96/97 onwards unit which is basically the old Isuzu trooper and has the proper ladder chassi....plus a good 2.8 diesel power plant......they still murder Discos off road.

After having a ride in my cousins Discovery - that I'd like to see!
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 21 August 2006, 09:07:13
They do....the disco has quite an iffy transmission and low ride.....
Title: Re: How bad are Sintra's
Post by: Davey on 21 August 2006, 10:32:39
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If your going Frontera you need the 96/97 onwards unit which is basically the old Isuzu trooper and has the proper ladder chassi....plus a good 2.8 diesel power plant......they still murder Discos off road.

They all have the same ladder chassis, the earlier ones had rear leaf springs which IMHO is better than the coil springs if your going to be carrying a load or doing some decent off-roading.. I've had loads of Frontys, one sport though which was a complete bag of shite but the LWB versions are great, 2.8 TDi is the way to go though.

Fit longer rear shackles, wind up the front torsion bars and fit some better shocks, they are great off road, loads of clearence :)

(http://www.dohc.co.uk/pics/frontera/rearside.jpg)