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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Debs. on 06 August 2010, 13:03:21
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.....a British jackbooted 'Police State'. >:(
What ever happened to the calm professionalism we`re led to believe that our Police exhibit? ::)
One of them is jumping up and down on the bonnet! :o
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10888435
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I saw that on last nights news (mentioned it in the Police, camera , action thread) all that over not wearing a seat belt, the revenue from the fime wont come any where near what this is going to cost to sort out.
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But its ok because the Police don't have to abide by the law >:(
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Lust watched it again, the range rover rolled back at the end of the clip, glad it didnt hit the police, there's no telling what they would have done to him.
Glad they video recorded themselves in the act. ::)
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But its ok because the Police don't have to abide by the law >:(
Thats what they think.......
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Take this for instance and reverse the roles.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/ian-tomlinson-g20-death-video
I joe public had done that to a PC what would have happened >:(
And before anyone says "he was pissed or you don't know what he had done or said before he was pushed". If it was that bad just arrest him, he might still be here today.
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It seems he offended their apparently overinflated sensibilities by driving off whilst being bollocked for not wearing a seat belt? If that's the case, then he is partly to blame for the eventual outcome IMO, but drastic overreaction by the officers involved is utterly shameful & indefensible. Just another sign of the times methinks, although we should always be able to depend on the forces of Law & Order for a measured & equitable response to any situation at ANY time. :(
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That guy could easily have been Mrs Varche's uncle.
I could see him now getting "bored" with it all and just driving off! fantastic. ;D ;D
By the way no one will get sacked they never do.
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Take this for instance and reverse the roles.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/ian-tomlinson-g20-death-video
I joe public had done that to a PC what would have happened >:(
And before anyone says "he was pissed or you don't know what he had done or said before he was pushed". If it was that bad just arrest him, he might still be here today.
Exactly EP, that poor sod died because in that Coppers eyes, he had the utter temerity to be in their way & apparently not intimidated enough to get out of their way quickly enough! The Police have a difficult & at times dirty job to do, but hasn't it always been the case that 'If you are not for us then you must be against us?' and we as 'Civilians' are all treated as 'them' and therefore not one of 'us'? It's a tribalist instinct that should have no place in 'Civilised' society.
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But its ok because the Police don't have to abide by the law >:(
No it is not alright and they do have to abide by the law! ::) ::)
That it why the allegation will be fully investigated, with the IPCC involved, and any due legal action will be taken against those responsible for committing any offence. ;)
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Without being too contentious I don't really see a problem here. They dealt with him the same way they deal pretty much with anyone else who drives off or fails to stop.
I am sure that they were not concerned at that point about his lack of seatbelt wearing but more of what he could be hiding or trying to get away with...drugs, arms, disqual driver, stolen motor the list is endless and the fact he is 70 really has no bearing on the matter, old people do comit crime. For all the old bill know he could have had someone tied up the boot, you just don't know.
I am sure he will be well compensated. I have no issues with the police behaving like this, at all. If you don't stop or drive off then it's your doing.
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Without being too contentious I don't really see a problem here. They dealt with him the same way they deal pretty much with anyone else who drives off or fails to stop.
I am sure that they were not concerned at that point about his lack of seatbelt wearing but more of what he could be hiding or trying to get away with...drugs, arms, disqual driver, stolen motor the list is endless and the fact he is 70 really has no bearing on the matter, old people do comit crime. For all the old bill know he could have had someone tied up the boot, you just don't know.
I am sure he will be well compensated. I have no issues with the police behaving like this, at all. If you don't stop or drive off then it's your doing.
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silly old duffer, but as mentioned, anyone could have been in that car. Smashing windows is standard shock & awe tactics, which are proven to work.
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Bearing in mind that the full facts of this matter remain to be disclosed, this is a classic indication of how many – but not all - beat and patrol officers seem to think at the moment.
Traditional methods have given way in many cases to this confrontational 'balls out' approach brought about by society's changing attitude and intolerant behaviour towards most forms of authority (the police in particular).
This incident appears to be one where the officers concerned acted excessively in circumstances where a more considered approach would have been appropriate.
Its part of the vicious circle where the police get aggro (not necessarily from this driver) so they respond in kind: a very dangerous precedent to adopt, for without the cooperation of the public, policing becomes very difficult indeed.
I'm dismayed that the police, in general, appear to have failed to resist the political interference practiced by recent government (particularly that of the last Labour administration) this, to a certain extent, has eroded the traditional role of the constabulary.
In a world where the ‘security on the nation’ from terrorist attack seems to have been given precedence – in terms of the application of police power - to the combating of crime by a professional police force acting proportionally within the law, inexcusable incidents such as the one in question will continue to happen.
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silly old duffer, but as mentioned, anyone could have been in that car. Smashing windows is standard shock & awe tactics, which are proven to work.
and jumping up and gown on the bonnet. ::)
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Bearing in mind that the full facts of this matter remain to be disclosed, this is a classic indication of how many – but not all - beat and patrol officers seem to think at the moment.
Traditional methods have given way in many cases to this confrontational 'balls out' approach brought about by society's changing attitude and intolerant behaviour towards most forms of authority (the police in particular).
This incident appears to be one where the officers concerned acted excessively in circumstances where a more considered approach would have been appropriate.
Its part of the vicious circle where the police get aggro (not necessarily from this driver) so they respond in kind: a very dangerous precedent to adopt, for without the cooperation of the public, policing becomes very difficult indeed.
I'm dismayed that the police, in general, appear to have failed to resist the political interference practiced by recent government (particularly that of the last Labour administration) this, to a certain extent, has eroded the traditional role of the constabulary.
In a world where the ‘security on the nation’ from terrorist attack seems to have been given precedence – in terms of the application of police power - to the combating of crime by a professional police force acting proportionally within the law, inexcusable incidents such as the one in question will continue to happen.
And perhaps when they pull him over for the second time he has had time to reach under his seat for a gun? Or perhaps drive off again into a bus stop full of children...
Personally I'd rather the shock tactics.
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Bearing in mind that the full facts of this matter remain to be disclosed, this is a classic indication of how many – but not all - beat and patrol officers seem to think at the moment.
Traditional methods have given way in many cases to this confrontational 'balls out' approach brought about by society's changing attitude and intolerant behaviour towards most forms of authority (the police in particular).
This incident appears to be one where the officers concerned acted excessively in circumstances where a more considered approach would have been appropriate.
Its part of the vicious circle where the police get aggro (not necessarily from this driver) so they respond in kind: a very dangerous precedent to adopt, for without the cooperation of the public, policing becomes very difficult indeed.
I'm dismayed that the police, in general, appear to have failed to resist the political interference practiced by recent government (particularly that of the last Labour administration) this, to a certain extent, has eroded the traditional role of the constabulary.
In a world where the ‘security on the nation’ from terrorist attack seems to have been given precedence – in terms of the application of police power - to the combating of crime by a professional police force acting proportionally within the law, inexcusable incidents such as the one in question will continue to happen.
And perhaps when they pull him over for the second time he has had time to reach under his seat for a gun? Or perhaps drive off again into a bus stop full of children...
Personally I'd rather the shock tactics.
I'm afraid you would find yourself in some difficulty there Rufus if, as a member of the police force, you used that as a maxim when dealing with incidents of this nature.
Then, of course, my 39 years service to the state in various guises, and in some very difficult areas, has perhaps imbued me with some measure of proportion and open-mindedness. :y
Personally I'd rather the shock tactics.
In that case Rufus I hope that you would be prepared to take the medicine without complaint if, perchance, you should ever make a mistake with, or misunderstand the instructions of, similarly motivated officers.
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silly old duffer, but as mentioned, anyone could have been in that car. Smashing windows is standard shock & awe tactics, which are proven to work.
and jumping up and gown on the bonnet. ::)
Doubt you'll find that one in the tactical handbook. ::)
If it is there, it'll be in the 'How to display gross stupidity' section.
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Bearing in mind that the full facts of this matter remain to be disclosed, this is a classic indication of how many – but not all - beat and patrol officers seem to think at the moment.
Traditional methods have given way in many cases to this confrontational 'balls out' approach brought about by society's changing attitude and intolerant behaviour towards most forms of authority (the police in particular).
This incident appears to be one where the officers concerned acted excessively in circumstances where a more considered approach would have been appropriate.
Its part of the vicious circle where the police get aggro (not necessarily from this driver) so they respond in kind: a very dangerous precedent to adopt, for without the cooperation of the public, policing becomes very difficult indeed.
I'm dismayed that the police, in general, appear to have failed to resist the political interference practiced by recent government (particularly that of the last Labour administration) this, to a certain extent, has eroded the traditional role of the constabulary.
In a world where the ‘security on the nation’ from terrorist attack seems to have been given precedence – in terms of the application of police power - to the combating of crime by a professional police force acting proportionally within the law, inexcusable incidents such as the one in question will continue to happen.
And perhaps when they pull him over for the second time he has had time to reach under his seat for a gun? Or perhaps drive off again into a bus stop full of children...
Personally I'd rather the shock tactics.
I'm afraid you would find yourself in some difficulty there Rufus if, as a member of the police force, you used that as a maxim when dealing with incidents of this nature.
Then, of course, my 39 years service to the state in various guises, and in some very difficult areas, has perhaps imbued me with some measure of proportion and open-mindedness. :y
Personally I'd rather the shock tactics.
In that case Rufus I hope that you would be prepared to take the medicine without complaint if, perchance, you should ever make a mistake with, or misunderstand the instructions of, similarly motivated officers.
Generally, people don't tend to run if they have nothing to hide. If you fail to understand why you are being stopped, or don't understand that all your getting is a simple ticket for not wearing a seatbelt, then perhaps you shouldn't be driving in the first place.
The point is he made off and got stopped before he could hurt himself or others. Maybe the officers in question were a little over zealous, but they got the job done.
I fully support their actions :y
Would I like to be on the receiving end? Well no of course not, but then I don't try and make off if I get pulled over. Should I one day decide to chance my luck, then I would like to think that there is someone there protecting others from my actions.
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Bearing in mind that the full facts of this matter remain to be disclosed, this is a classic indication of how many – but not all - beat and patrol officers seem to think at the moment.
Traditional methods have given way in many cases to this confrontational 'balls out' approach brought about by society's changing attitude and intolerant behaviour towards most forms of authority (the police in particular).
This incident appears to be one where the officers concerned acted excessively in circumstances where a more considered approach would have been appropriate.
Its part of the vicious circle where the police get aggro (not necessarily from this driver) so they respond in kind: a very dangerous precedent to adopt, for without the cooperation of the public, policing becomes very difficult indeed.
I'm dismayed that the police, in general, appear to have failed to resist the political interference practiced by recent government (particularly that of the last Labour administration) this, to a certain extent, has eroded the traditional role of the constabulary.
In a world where the ‘security on the nation’ from terrorist attack seems to have been given precedence – in terms of the application of police power - to the combating of crime by a professional police force acting proportionally within the law, inexcusable incidents such as the one in question will continue to happen.
And perhaps when they pull him over for the second time he has had time to reach under his seat for a gun? Or perhaps drive off again into a bus stop full of children...
Personally I'd rather the shock tactics.
I'm afraid you would find yourself in some difficulty there Rufus if, as a member of the police force, you used that as a maxim when dealing with incidents of this nature.
Then, of course, my 39 years service to the state in various guises, and in some very difficult areas, has perhaps imbued me with some measure of proportion and open-mindedness. :y
Personally I'd rather the shock tactics.
In that case Rufus I hope that you would be prepared to take the medicine without complaint if, perchance, you should ever make a mistake with, or misunderstand the instructions of, similarly motivated officers.
Generally, people don't tend to run if they have nothing to hide. If you fail to understand why you are being stopped, or don't understand that all your getting is a simple ticket for not wearing a seatbelt, then perhaps you shouldn't be driving in the first place.
The point is he made off and got stopped before he could hurt himself or others. Maybe the officers in question were a little over zealous, but they got the job done.
I fully support their actions :y
Would I like to be on the receiving end? Well no of course not, but then I don't try and make off if I get pulled over. Should I one day decide to chance my luck, then I would like to think that there is someone there protecting others from my actions.
Yeah, right. ::)
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Bit like the bunch of ***** on here.....yes HOTEL YOU LADDY.
What is this all about, have I missed something.. :question
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not quite sure thats called for.#19
there are two sides to every story.
finding the truth and learning from the episode is the way forward.
I'm sure it's not. Offensive posts removed. >:(
Kevin
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£60 odd grands worth of Rangie could be driven by a harmless, if a little addle pated old chap or an old school Kray style villain both getting on a bit.
Could be many of us on here?!!!!!!! ::) :o :D
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.....Offensive posts removed.....Kevin
Thankyou Kevin. ;)
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Blimey, its a BBC news story, which is often not quite the truth. Who knows what the truth truely is? Maybe the police were out of order. Maybe, whilst trying to give him a ticket, the old boy stuck up 2 and drove off. We simply don't know. Until we do, we can't go "frying tonight" or whatever that member posted.
Vigilantes who think that all police should be burned are the ones with the chip on their shoulder. Please do not confuse the arrogant tosspots on the road wars type programmes with real police.
I work for a large corporation (probably 300,000 employees), and within that, there are obviously some idiots, but the vast majority are decent people. Before that, I worked at BT, another large firm, and the same applies, the huge majority of the people I worked with were good, honest, trustworthy people. In any large organisation, there will be the occasional bad egg.
Sadly, I've had a fair number of dealings with not just traffic police ::), but even brave beat coppers, brave stupid enough to step out in front of me to stop me. In nearly all cases, I have found them to be reasonable people, and I've always driven off with just a telling off, remembering if it had got into an argument, seeing as I was often in the wrong when pulled, I would have lost. Only ever come across one arrogant one, a hobby bobby moaning about my parking caliming I was on double yellows, where I wasn't.
"treat others as you want to be treated yourself"
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Generally, people don't tend to run if they have nothing to hide. If you fail to understand why you are being stopped, or don't understand that all your getting is a simple ticket for not wearing a seatbelt, then perhaps you shouldn't be driving in the first place.
The point is he made off and got stopped before he could hurt himself or others. Maybe the officers in question were a little over zealous, but they got the job done.
I fully support their actions :y
Would I like to be on the receiving end? Well no of course not, but then I don't try and make off if I get pulled over. Should I one day decide to chance my luck, then I would like to think that there is someone there protecting others from my actions.
then perhaps you shouldn't be driving in the first place
That’s a reasonable enough statement Rufus and one that may hold greater resonance given the increasing number of elderly drivers using the roads.
Leaving aside the potential (practical) consequences of having more and more of these drivers on the road, we have to look at this incident in isolation - causational factors are irrelevant to a large extent - as it's the actions displayed by these police officers that are in question.
Every police officer should approach any given situation with an open, enquiring mind - failure to do so can lead to confusion and inappropriate action being taken, as we have seen here.
I'm well aware that apparently old and frail people can present a very real problem - I've dealt with a few in my time - but that realisation has not prejudiced my view of elderly people as a whole or, by extension, any other group within society.
This is why ‘brain before motor function’ is the only way forward when dealing with any incident that requires official intervention.
Maybe the officers in question were a little over zealous, but they got the job done.
Perhaps, but at what cost to their integrity and public confidence?
Would I like to be on the receiving end? Well no of course not, but then I don't try and make off if I get pulled over
I'm assuming of course that you're in full possession of you're faculties and possess the mental acuity to fully understand what's happening in your immediate environment, so unless there was a specific reason for doing so you wouldn't be faced with these choices.
then I would like to think that there is someone there protecting others from my actions.
There are Rufus but they should understand that their actions must be governed by the Warrant they hold and the law of the land.
If you feel that the representatives of law and order should be given such freedom to act in this manner then you should be wary, as one day you may encounter a situation that might well suggest otherwise.
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Sadly, in true BBC style, the clip might not show the start of the incident - where he was given the ticket? That might have happened 2m back, possibly even before police got to the car to speak? So, treated like a crimanl when he drove/sped off?
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Sadly, in true BBC style, the clip might not show the start of the incident - where he was given the ticket? That might have happened 2m back, possibly even before police got to the car to speak? So, treated like a crimanl when he drove/sped off?
treated like a crimanl when he drove/sped off
Yep that's entirely possible; at the point of the drive off they would have been aware that they were dealing with an elderly motorist so the question of how they would make the next move (in a sensible proportionate way) should have been uppermost in their minds.
I've been in countless situations where the actions taken by officialdom have been construed in a particular way because those commenting on the incident were doing so after the fact and not in full possession of all relevant data, so I'm mindful of how actions such as those displayed in this matter are likely to be perceived.
In the end it will always be a judgement call made by those dealing with the situation, in this case I have a feeling that the wrong call was made - but my own experience and temperament allows me to form that opinion. These officers were obviously motivated by different criteria.
Policing is a very difficult job to get right - when done proportionally and with good sense, few members of the public are immediately aware of it but when the shit hits the fan after mistakes are made, the end result is all too obvious.
The nett result is that many members of the public lose confidence in the police often times dictating a response to perceived oppression that sets a vicious circle in motion when the police respond in kind.
The law must be enforced but to maintain some semblance of normality in society this must be done with fairness, determination, professionalism and above all, good sense.
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Just what would George Dixon think?..... :) :-* :-*
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Just what would George Dixon think?..... :) :-* :-*
Evenin`all! :y
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Well here's an extended video of the events before he was pulled over a 2nd time ?!.
Would be interested to see what people say after seeing this video of events ????????.
One questions I do have though before getting all of the facts, how come it too the old boy soo long to pull over ?.
Oh... there's some drivel advertising at the begining of it, so you'll have to excuse that bit
http://www.mirror.co.uk/video/news/2010/08/05/oap-robert-whatley-dragged-from-his-car-by-police-115875-22467698/
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I agree with everything Zulu's said - I won't re-quote it all, but the police have to remember, whatever the reason for this reaction (and I'm sure there's more to it than the police just going radio rental for nothing), that they police us with the consent of the people it is not the other way round :o
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The moment he made off after being stopped the first time, he upped the game and becomes a danger to others and potentially anything could happen.
I do see both sides to the discussion but I would still rather see the police deal with offenders quickly and sharply than stepping back for fear of public opinions.
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marked car, blues and twos on, the only reason for stopping is the assumed roadblock/stinger set up as an officer approaches from the front of the vehicle.
the last respectable driver of vogue to be stopped on roadwars turned out to be a bank robber on the run...
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Just what would George Dixon think?..... :) :-* :-*
He would have fallen to the universal greeting of course. 8-) :y :y
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZT5Fq7KuPk&feature=related[/media]
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Just what would George Dixon think?..... :) :-* :-*
Good old George was shot, remember. And that was the end of that style of policing .......
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Just what would George Dixon think?..... :) :-* :-*
Good old George was shot, remember. And that was the end of that style of policing .......
Yep, Braybrook Street certainly brought that era to an end. :( :(
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The moment he made off after being stopped the first time, he upped the game and becomes a danger to others and potentially anything could happen.
I do see both sides to the discussion but I would still rather see the police deal with offenders quickly and sharply than stepping back for fear of public opinions.
Would you be saying the same thing if it was your father?
Now i'm not a copper (although my daughter is) and I wouldn't want to be one but if I was following the bloke in the Range Rover knowing how old he was from pulling him earlier I would of done a check with the PNC got his address and waited there for him there, simples ;)
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Thats my local"Police Sevice"at work.
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He may simply be going deaf and did not hear everything correctly. :-/
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He may simply be going deaf and did not hear everything correctly. :-/
What? ;D
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The moment he made off after being stopped the first time, he upped the game and becomes a danger to others and potentially anything could happen.
I do see both sides to the discussion but I would still rather see the police deal with offenders quickly and sharply than stepping back for fear of public opinions.
Would you be saying the same thing if it was your father?
Now i'm not a copper (although my daughter is) and I wouldn't want to be one but if I was following the bloke in the Range Rover knowing how old he was from pulling him earlier I would of done a check with the PNC got his address and waited there for him there, simples ;)
Why do people always do that lol.
Would a PNC check have informed the following officer if the old chap had a gun and was suicidal? Had a kidnapped child in the car?
Perhaps a better outcome would have been that they let him continue driving in a distressed state and plough into a woman and child crossing the road and then pick him up at home. Would your liberal attitude still be apparent if it was your wife and child?
I am sure then the uproar would be "Well why the hell didn't they stop him sooner"
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Rufus, I understand the points you make, but lets look at a very simple fact.
None of us know the real reasons begind any of this, so we? - No we dont.
Who does know the facts? well of course the police do.
What have the police done, suspended the 2 officers.
Till we know any more they have done the best thing.
But, dont you think if there was anything in the guilt side of the 70 year old they would have stood in favour of the police officers rather than suspend them.
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Of course none of us know the facts, we are just debating on what we can see and clearly we all have differing opinions, which is why discussions like this are interesting :y
I am sure that 'public opinion' and the fact that this is headline news will have just as much to do with the officers suspention than wether their approach was heavy handed or not.
Fact is, their actions could well have prevented a tragedy.
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Of course none of us know the facts, we are just debating on what we can see and clearly we all have differing opinions, which is why discussions like this are interesting :y
I am sure that 'public opinion' and the fact that this is headline news will have just as much to do with the officers suspention than wether their approach was heavy handed or not.
Fact is, their actions could well have prevented a tragedy.
Or started contrversy
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Of course, but is a little controversy better than someones death?
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The video is dated September 09..... :-/
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The moment he made off after being stopped the first time, he upped the game and becomes a danger to others and potentially anything could happen.
I do see both sides to the discussion but I would still rather see the police deal with offenders quickly and sharply than stepping back for fear of public opinions.
Would you be saying the same thing if it was your father?
Now i'm not a copper (although my daughter is) and I wouldn't want to be one but if I was following the bloke in the Range Rover knowing how old he was from pulling him earlier I would of done a check with the PNC got his address and waited there for him there, simples ;)
Why do people always do that lol.
Would a PNC check have informed the following officer if the old chap had a gun and was suicidal? Had a kidnapped child in the car?
Perhaps a better outcome would have been that they let him continue driving in a distressed state and plough into a woman and child crossing the road and then pick him up at home. Would your liberal attitude still be apparent if it was your wife and child?
I am sure then the uproar would be "Well why the hell didn't they stop him sooner"
If he'd had a gun then surely he would have used it the first time he was pulled and likewise a kidnapped child would have been spotted as well and looking at the video I think he reached the heady hights of 40 mph at one point ;)
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silly old duffer, but as mentioned, anyone could have been in that car. Smashing windows is standard shock & awe tactics, which are proven to work.
and jumping up and gown on the bonnet. ::)
I know a man who can repair it.
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silly old duffer, but as mentioned, anyone could have been in that car. Smashing windows is standard shock & awe tactics, which are proven to work.
and jumping up and down on the bonnet. ::)
I know a man who can repair it.
part time eco activist? ::)
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The moment he made off after being stopped the first time, he upped the game and becomes a danger to others and potentially anything could happen.
I do see both sides to the discussion but I would still rather see the police deal with offenders quickly and sharply than stepping back for fear of public opinions.
Would you be saying the same thing if it was your father?
Now i'm not a copper (although my daughter is) and I wouldn't want to be one but if I was following the bloke in the Range Rover knowing how old he was from pulling him earlier I would of done a check with the PNC got his address and waited there for him there, simples ;)
Why do people always do that lol.
Would a PNC check have informed the following officer if the old chap had a gun and was suicidal? Had a kidnapped child in the car?
Perhaps a better outcome would have been that they let him continue driving in a distressed state and plough into a woman and child crossing the road and then pick him up at home. Would your liberal attitude still be apparent if it was your wife and child?
I am sure then the uproar would be "Well why the hell didn't they stop him sooner"
Why do people always do that lol.
;D ;D Nice try Rufus but the following is just as speculative and emotive - and - just as redundant. :y
Perhaps a better outcome would have been that they let him continue driving in a distressed state and plough into a woman and child crossing the road and then pick him up at home. Would your liberal attitude still be apparent if it was your wife and child?
I am sure then the uproar would be "Well why the hell didn't they stop him sooner"
Quite so, but by lawful, proportionate means Rufus. I have been in many situations where I had the option to escalate things beyond a certain point, in most of them I was glad that I took the considered less direct approach.
Gung-ho policing leads to all manner of difficulties, I have been there and can say with certainty that this approach fails to achieve the objective more often than not.
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It seems to me that the officer who battered the drivers window may well be suffering from small man syndrome! His actions seemed to set the pace.
Quite right that they were suspended, but i suspect they are back on duty by now, with the blame laid soley at the pensioners door.
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Of course, but is a little controversy better than someones death?
That's both speculative and naive Rufus, I'm not permitted to give examples of why but if you ever wore a uniform on the streets in the capacity of a police officer you might better understand how much responsibility that fact carries.