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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Sixstring on 16 August 2010, 09:56:34
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After Towbar fitting by Mr Sethsmate, and consequent 12N and 12S wiring done yesterday, will be a proud owner of a Pikey wagon on Weds!!!
Had better talk to DLK about bringing it to Newent, I suppose.............
(Actually quite excited about it, how sad am I......)
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Another bloody pikey >:(
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Only HALF a Pikey then, mines a FOLDING caravan that only makes a trailer 15'x7' when down to tow.
Goes up from trailer to caravan in 3 mins!!
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You know it makes sense Mike!
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Its bloody lovely mate....all the comforts, electric hook-up, fridge, cooker, sink, etc 2x double beds or one double and bunks. 1991, and one careful owner, just re-upholstered in velour and free accessories like leisure battery and hitchlok. just need an awning to go with it........
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I have never regretted buying my 'van. You will find it becomes addictive ;D ;D ;)
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Its bloody lovely mate....all the comforts, electric hook-up, fridge, cooker, sink, etc 2x double beds or one double and bunks. 1991, and one careful owner, just re-upholstered in velour and free accessories like leisure battery and hitchlok. just need an awning to go with it........
We got one of these Mike on Mrs Sethsmate's insistance. :D
Takes about ten minutes to erect it, and can't fault it for the money. :y
http://www.waudbys.co.uk/products/details/21810.html
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EXACTLY what I want.......will be calling them with a CC later! thanks Byron. :y :y
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EXACTLY what I want.......will be calling them with a CC later! thanks Byron. :y :y
Found Waudby's service is excellent, and it'll probably arrive with you tomorrow ;D
Mrs Sethsmate's skills at awning assembly are legendary Mike - really! ;)
She'll happily provide assistance at Newent. ;)
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Have you got a spare wheel for it?
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Ummm. NO.
Got a tin of some kinda foam tyre repair with it though......says "Emergency caravan tyre repair, drive no more than 50 miles before replacing tyre" on it.
Seems a bit shite to me. Got any bits for sale then By??
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Blimey, its a Pikey's Convention here now ;D
So you going to Newent then, Sixstring? :D
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Surely am, Jamie....only live 15 miles away, so gotta do it. Was only going to come for the day, but suppose with a "Pikey wagon" in tow could stay overnight.
Be nice to see you all and put a few faces to names, etc. PLUS the fact I have a few bits to bring for a couple of people too, and have loads of beer left over from my party, so need to use it up before it goes out of date.......(thats my excuse, and I'm sticking to it.....)
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Ummm. NO.
Got a tin of some kinda foam tyre repair with it though......says "Emergency caravan tyre repair, drive no more than 50 miles before replacing tyre" on it.
Seems a bit shite to me. Got any bits for sale then By??
Need to know what the tyre size is mate ;)
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Going shopping for gas kettle and a few other bits tonight, must buy a 12v coolbox/ fridge and some 12v tubelights too.
You are right, it DOES become a bit addictive, cos I've already bought a 1500w inverter, mini TV and aerial/pole last night.....
Theres "roughing it" and theres Caravanning....!
got any of these bits spare, mate??
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I thought Pikey van threads were against forum rules ::) ;D
Go on TB, you know you want to nuke it! ;D ;D
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Surely am, Jamie....only live 15 miles away, so gotta do it. Was only going to come for the day, but suppose with a "Pikey wagon" in tow could stay overnight.
Be nice to see you all and put a few faces to names, etc. PLUS the fact I have a few bits to bring for a couple of people too, and have loads of beer left over from my party, so need to use it up before it goes out of date.......(thats my excuse, and I'm sticking to it.....)
Yeah, stay overnight :y
For your first trip, probably best to be near home, as if anything unexpected happens, less of a problem :y
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I thought Pikey van threads were against forum rules ::) ;D
Go on TB, you know you want to nuke it! ;D ;D
Oh, I do ;D
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You're just STIRRING, arn't you................LOL!
Besides, I'm only HALF a Pikey now, and that means it doesn't count!!! ;D ;D
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You're just STIRRING, arn't you................LOL!
Besides, I'm only HALF a Pikey now, and that means it doesn't count!!! ;D ;D
Are you towing, and are you limited to 50mph on A roads? ;)
That said, I have fond memories of our trailer tent as a child. But camping is camping. Caravanning is simply pointless ;)
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Nah, can do 60mph towing this, its only the same as a normal trailer tent closed, about 15x7ft. Weighs bugger all, and should'nt affect mpg too much.
looking forward to using it next week, fancy a couple of nights away.
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You're just STIRRING, arn't you................LOL!
Besides, I'm only HALF a Pikey now, and that means it doesn't count!!! ;D ;D
Does that mean you only get half you postcount knobbled for starting a pikey wagon thread? ::)
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Nah, can do 60mph towing this, its only the same as a normal trailer tent closed, about 15x7ft. Weighs bugger all, and should'nt affect mpg too much.
looking forward to using it next week, fancy a couple of nights away.
Thought it was 50mph on a single carriageway?
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Nah, can do 60mph towing this, its only the same as a normal trailer tent closed, about 15x7ft. Weighs bugger all, and should'nt affect mpg too much.
looking forward to using it next week, fancy a couple of nights away.
Thought it was 50mph on a single carriageway?
Normally, yes.... that's the problem towing dinghies with an omega, you forget it's there ::)
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Nah, can do 60mph towing this, its only the same as a normal trailer tent closed, about 15x7ft. Weighs bugger all, and should'nt affect mpg too much.
looking forward to using it next week, fancy a couple of nights away.
Thought it was 50mph on a single carriageway?
Normally, yes.... that's the problem towing dinghies with an omega, you forget it's there ::)
Now I couldn't possibly comment about the rights or wrongs of occasionally allowing the car to creep over the speed limit...
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Nor me, LAW ABIDING person, me. Perish the thought!!!
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Surely am, Jamie....only live 15 miles away, so gotta do it. Was only going to come for the day, but suppose with a "Pikey wagon" in tow could stay overnight.
Be nice to see you all and put a few faces to names, etc. PLUS the fact I have a few bits to bring for a couple of people too, and have loads of beer left over from my party, so need to use it up before it goes out of date.......(thats my excuse, and I'm sticking to it.....)
Yeah, stay overnight :y
For your first trip, probably best to be near home, as if anything unexpected happens, less of a problem :y
Top Gear caravanning type accidents maybe? ;D
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAgptNEZ7vg[/media]
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Another bloody pikey >:(
:P
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Hi Sixstring,if your are looking for a cool box they are doing a great deal at GO OUTDOORS,I think they are on offer for £49.99
Hot or cold, 230v,or 12v.
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youll never look back kid,i still enjoy it even though i fix em for a living...busmans holiday ::) ;D
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Hi Sixstring,if your are looking for a cool box they are doing a great deal at GO OUTDOORS,I think they are on offer for £49.99
Hot or cold, 230v,or 12v.
Take a look here: http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/camping/equipment/cool-boxes/
Got a shop in Gloucester too :y
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Damm it,they put it up to£89.99! it was only £49.99 last night.
My mate bought one at a boot sale in Porthcawl on Sunday for £20.
Alfie
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What make is the folding van mate.
They have rallies on the site I use in Wareham....usually about a dozen or more turn up....but they all seem to be 'older generation' :y
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Bought this in December for 10 grand....do you reckon my 2.5 Elite Estate would tow it ????????
I had it delivered to site, so do not have to tow normally
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Quick google indicates the MTPLM (Maximum Total Permitted Laden Mass) of that 'van is 1915 Kgs
Parkers guides indicate the maximum braked towing weight permitted for the 2.5 elite estate is 1700 kgs
So not a legal tow I'm afraid .. and not a safe one either .. tail wagging dog comes to mind .. :(
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Thanks for that Entwood....
I never did understand the why's and wherefore's of the 'kerb weights' etc.
Lets hope I don't have to move it.....Otherwise I'll have to nip down to Bovington and see if they would loan me a tank !!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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My caravan was a more or less a perfect match @ 1460kg max for the TD estate.
You could however go to 1700kg legally, to match your kerb weight of the car, but no more, and not really recommended. 85% of the kerbweight of the car is the normal weight you should be towing.
That van as said, is way over for even the experience van tuggers, don't do it, end of :-?
Mick ;)
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Bought this in December for 10 grand....do you reckon my 2.5 Elite Estate would tow it ????????
I had it delivered to site, so do not have to tow normally
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I've no doubt that your Miggy will physically tow that van.
But Entwood's spot-on with his reply - the whole outfit could become dangerously unstable under certain conditions.
You'd also not only fall foul of the law, your insurance would be invalid too.
:'(
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Great replies, chaps.
You would be suprised how many 'experienced' tuggers have told me when asked on the site, that my Omega would tow my van with no problems !!!!! >:(
I admit I had my doubts. As I said earlier, I keep the van in storage on the site, so hopefully I won't have to tow it.
Only ever towed once, and that was using my Senator to tow my first caravan to the site, which was a small 4 berth Adria. Had all updates delivered and old van taken away. :y
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Being a modern 'van, with nice twin axle, your Omega will tow it no problem at all, and probably be stable at illegal speeds. BUT, unfortunately it's a little heavy with regards to the law. :(
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Great replies, chaps.
You would be suprised how many 'experienced' tuggers have told me when asked on the site, that my Omega would tow my van with no problems !!!!! >:(
I admit I had my doubts. As I said earlier, I keep the van in storage on the site, so hopefully I won't have to tow it.
Only ever towed once, and that was using my Senator to tow my first caravan to the site, which was a small 4 berth Adria. Had all updates delivered and old van taken away. :y
Being a modern 'van, with nice twin axle, your Omega will tow it no problem at all, and probably be stable at illegal speeds. BUT, unfortunately it's a little heavy with regards to the law. :(
The Omega might not have any problems .. but you, as the driver, might have a few...... inability to stop, inability to maintain a straight line, total loss of control in an emergency are just a few that come to mind !!!
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My little Elddis is only a 2 berth, so tows at silly speeds. I would have thought a Mig would be big enough to tow any van. What's the alternative, buy a big daft 4x4 that you don't really want? I guess it pays to check first. ::)
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I'm glad you have shown the problems, because others have given me duff info, and I admit, we had thought about taking the van off site and towing it elsewhere every so often. :y
So, I suppose its staying where it is.
Next step I assume is, looking for a vehicle that will tow it :(
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After Towbar fitting by Mr Sethsmate, and consequent 12N and 12S wiring done yesterday, will be a proud owner of a Pikey wagon on Weds!!!
Had better talk to DLK about bringing it to Newent, I suppose.............
(Actually quite excited about it, how sad am I......)
I've only had mine a year or two. Had no interest beforehand but totally get it now & love spending time in it. Only cost £200 (worth a grand) might upgrade in a couple of years. I don't caravan as such, look at stately homes etc but for omega & classic car meets it beats tenting hands down! 8-)
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I'm glad you have shown the problems, because others have given me duff info, and I admit, we had thought about taking the van off site and towing it elsewhere every so often. :y
So, I suppose its staying where it is.
Next step I assume is, looking for a vehicle that will tow it :(
you are looking at a large 4x4 to have the weight and power to tow that beasty
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HAH!! just bought a 12v/240vac "cool box" at a non-descript auto accessory shop in cinderford, a bit faded cos been in a shop window...............£20!!!!!
Can get loads in it too....................RESULT.
Really getting into this caravanning thing!
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HAH!! just bought a 12v/240vac "cool box" at a non-descript auto accessory shop in cinderford, a bit faded cos been in a shop window...............£20!!!!!
Can get loads in it too....................RESULT.
Really getting into this caravanning thing!
THey have shops in Cinderford?? :o
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Yeah....really! attached to a garage, and with some of the oldest stock you ever seen. Still sells the Britax lap belt kits and conversion kits to convert your static belts to tensioned ones!!!!
Also saw some "proper" stainless steel wheel covers for a car in 13", on the box says "suitable for Ford escort mk1 and 2, Vauxhall chevette and Viva, and Austin Allegro."
I love it................
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Yeah....really! attached to a garage, and with some of the oldest stock you ever seen. Still sells the Britax lap belt kits and conversion kits to convert your static belts to tensioned ones!!!!
Also saw some "proper" stainless steel wheel covers for a car in 13", on the box says "suitable for Ford escort mk1 and 2, Vauxhall chevette and Viva, and Austin Allegro."
I love it................
Is the shop still lit by gas lamps?
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Hi Mike...
It's not that i dissaprove of your chosen lifstyle, but promise me you'll let me know when your heading down the M5... was bad enough following you without the caravan ;D
edited by admin. Subsequent content on original post offends me, let alone others. Please desist...... >:(
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It's been a while but i'm temporarily going back to my old ways & i'm gonna let a proper rant off the lead regarding towing wieghts.
Migs are pretty heavy & as we all know stable & sure footed for a rwd of thier size. Apparently an unstable 4x4 can tow a larger heavier van than a Mig because it weighs half a ton or so more. Who on earth in thier infinite wisdom arrived at this ridiculous conclusion & how exactly? Caravans are often(not always) towed by folk who have little idea how to do so & don't check tyre condition, wheel bearings etc. after months of lay up. Failiure of said tyre or wheel bearing at 50/60mph can be messy on a motorway with another two lanes of traffic or worse on a single carriageway where a passing HGV can cause a weave. Either way a Mig as the towing vehicle would spin, the 4x4 would be alot more likely to roll involving more innocent road users & your precious family occupants. The Mig would probably handle the weave without incident in the first place. Is this a VOSA bright idea, or some similar waste of taxpayers money body that have attended a course, watched a dvd & are suddenly experts & can dictate to those of us who have been towing tractors & trailers, race cars on trailers, caravans, even artics for the last 30 odd years hands on experience.
Yeah of course they know better!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
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It's been a while but i'm temporarily going back to my old ways & i'm gonna let a proper rant off the lead regarding towing wieghts.
Migs are pretty heavy & as we all know stable & sure footed for a rwd of thier size. Apparently an unstable 4x4 can tow a larger heavier van than a Mig because it weighs half a ton or so more. Who on earth in thier infinite wisdom arrived at this ridiculous conclusion & how exactly? Caravans are often(not always) towed by folk who have little idea how to do so & don't check tyre condition, wheel bearings etc. after months of lay up. Failiure of said tyre or wheel bearing at 50/60mph can be messy on a motorway with another two lanes of traffic or worse on a single carriageway where a passing HGV can cause a weave. Either way a Mig as the towing vehicle would spin, the 4x4 would be alot more likely to roll involving more innocent road users & your precious family occupants. The Mig would probably handle the weave without incident in the first place. Is this a VOSA bright idea, or some similar waste of taxpayers money body that have attended a course, watched a dvd & are suddenly experts & can dictate to those of us who have been towing tractors & trailers, race cars on trailers, caravans, even artics for the last 30 odd years hands on experience.
Yeah of course they know better!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
I'm not arguing, and I'm not the worlds most experienced tower (count on fingers of one hand that I've towed a van, and towed a boat a few times), but I do know that somethings if the rig is unsuitable, a minor weave of the van can end in tears. Thats where the weight comes in I think....
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edited by admin. Subsequent content on original post offends me, let alone others. Please desist...... >:([/quote]
So Is Pikey Ok then ? :P
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Yeah....really! attached to a garage, and with some of the oldest stock you ever seen. Still sells the Britax lap belt kits and conversion kits to convert your static belts to tensioned ones!!!!
Also saw some "proper" stainless steel wheel covers for a car in 13", on the box says "suitable for Ford escort mk1 and 2, Vauxhall chevette and Viva, and Austin Allegro."
I love it................
How much???? ;)
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AmigoMV6 .... and breathe ......... :) :) :)
The rules have been around for ages and make a huge amount of sense.
Your artic prime mover was designed .. power, brakes, chassis .. to be able to pull a full trailer up to its designed (permitted) weight .. thats what it was built to do.
A car was not built to tow a trailer specifically .. but has a certain ability to do so. The manufacturers therefore LIMIT the maximum allowable weight that can be towed, hopefully knowing the chassis, brakes, steering etc etc effects and limits.
That figure is published on the VIN plate and cannot, legally, be exceeded.
Some cars do NOT have a towing weight specified, and do not have the facility to fit a tow bar .... it is actualy illegal to modify and tow with such a car ... why ?? because the maker does not think it safe !!!
It matters not your level of towing experience or ability ... the laws of physics cannot be overcome by wishful thinking .. if the trailer ('van) weighs more than the car then in an emergency it WILL take control .. and you the driver will lose control .....
This happens to artics as well .. and they were designed to tow .. we've all seen the result of a jack-knived artic .. not a pretty sight ... it just gets worse with an overweight 'van to car setup.
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edited by admin. Subsequent content on original post offends me, let alone others. Please desist...... >:(
So Is Pikey Ok then ? :P
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You know why it was modded.... :-X
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It's been a while but i'm temporarily going back to my old ways & i'm gonna let a proper rant off the lead regarding towing wieghts.
Migs are pretty heavy & as we all know stable & sure footed for a rwd of thier size. Apparently an unstable 4x4 can tow a larger heavier van than a Mig because it weighs half a ton or so more. Who on earth in thier infinite wisdom arrived at this ridiculous conclusion & how exactly? Caravans are often(not always) towed by folk who have little idea how to do so & don't check tyre condition, wheel bearings etc. after months of lay up. Failiure of said tyre or wheel bearing at 50/60mph can be messy on a motorway with another two lanes of traffic or worse on a single carriageway where a passing HGV can cause a weave. Either way a Mig as the towing vehicle would spin, the 4x4 would be alot more likely to roll involving more innocent road users & your precious family occupants. The Mig would probably handle the weave without incident in the first place. Is this a VOSA bright idea, or some similar waste of taxpayers money body that have attended a course, watched a dvd & are suddenly experts & can dictate to those of us who have been towing tractors & trailers, race cars on trailers, caravans, even artics for the last 30 odd years hands on experience.
Yeah of course they know better!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
I'm not arguing, and I'm not the worlds most experienced tower (count on fingers of one hand that I've towed a van, and towed a boat a few times), but I do know that somethings if the rig is unsuitable, a minor weave of the van can end in tears. Thats where the weight comes in I think....
Heavier 4x4's are very unstable & much more likely to roll in any RTA towing or otherwise. (abb. version)!!! :y
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Jeez..........
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Edited by TheBoy - you are on thin ice now...
You beat me to it.... >:(
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Jeez..........
removed once so you repost it ??? plain daft IMHO ..
and thank you the mod staff for removing.. :)
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Jeez..........
Other forums are available ................. :P
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Jeez..........
Whats acceptable norm in the pub or face to face with others is one thing. Online, here, its quite another.
Not wanting to resurrect old threads but you crossed the line with your (now modded) post. Cease and desist, please.
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Jeez..........
You have a choice, but our guidelines are clear enough for people to understand what is and is not acceptable here...
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Thanks for removing that guys.It was horrible :( :(
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Ok...
Just my warped sence of humour I guess....
I really didnt think it was that bad - But maybe the worlds gone a bit PC silly or maybe it's me, for the sake of keeping the peice (and not jepordising my ability to remain on what is an excellent forum) I apologise for any offence my remarks caused... :-[
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Ok...
Just my warped sence of humour I guess....
I really didnt think it was that bad - But maybe the worlds gone a bit PC silly or maybe it's me, for the sake of keeping the peice (and not jepordising my ability to remain on what is an excellent forum) I apologise for any offence my remarks caused... :-[
Apology accepted. :y
I can swap non PC type humour with the best of them but, here, its a no go. End of.... ;)
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Thanks.....
But just to clarify "Pikey" is ok ?
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Thanks.....
But just to clarify "Pikey" is ok ?
Personally, rather you didn't but, that said, a certain other admin uses it regularly on here. And his train set is bigger than mine.......
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AmigoMV6 .... and breathe ......... :) :) :)
The rules have been around for ages and make a huge amount of sense.
Your artic prime mover was designed .. power, brakes, chassis .. to be able to pull a full trailer up to its designed (permitted) weight .. thats what it was built to do.
A car was not built to tow a trailer specifically .. but has a certain ability to do so. The manufacturers therefore LIMIT the maximum allowable weight that can be towed, hopefully knowing the chassis, brakes, steering etc etc effects and limits.
That figure is published on the VIN plate and cannot, legally, be exceeded.
Some cars do NOT have a towing weight specified, and do not have the facility to fit a tow bar .... it is actualy illegal to modify and tow with such a car ... why ?? because the maker does not think it safe !!!
It matters not your level of towing experience or ability ... the laws of physics cannot be overcome by wishful thinking .. if the trailer ('van) weighs more than the car then in an emergency it WILL take control .. and you the driver will lose control .....
This happens to artics as well .. and they were designed to tow .. we've all seen the result of a jack-knived artic .. not a pretty sight ... it just gets worse with an overweight 'van to car setup.
Yes i agree but forget manufacturers drawl that's only to stop them getting sued by stupid people & forget artics, bad example on my part, different geometry & ballgame, in fact forget ALL the facts & figures, stats, studies, all the B/S, let's get back to the real world & ask......
If your caravan got a "tankslapper" on regardless of why or how, which wheel would you rather be sat behind with your loved ones as passengers? An Omega or similar large size saloon /estate or a daft wobbly 4x4 that actually wieghs little more & is alarmingly top heavy? No brainer surely?
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I towed our Caravan with Range Rovers and never had an issue at all, thats a 4x4!!
If you tow another Omega with an Omega you certainly know its there... anyone who says different I am afraid is telling porkies...
I have not towed a Caravan with an Omega yet but will be soon enough ;)
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Not gonna argue with those sentiments at all ... which is why I choose an Omega and not a 4X4 .. and I do a LOT of towing !!!
However I would also not exceed the cars plated weight, for the reasons stated.
I've not had a "tankslapper" as you put it .. and hope never to have one .. but I have had a major "upset" that involved all 3 lanes of the motorway.. luckily for me everyone got out of the way and the rig returned to normal after about 30 seconds ....
The reason was simple .. excessive speed .. I had been powering up a long climb and didn't ease off at the top ... so was going much faster than intended on the downhill side when the "cutting" ended and a side wind hit me .. add the 2 together and the answer was frighting. .. it is my belief that had the van been overweight I might not be here .. as it was the car handled the weight and as it slowed (foot off no braking) the problem went away..... eventually.... but those 30 seconds felt like a lifetime :(
As I said .. laws of physics ... :(
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I towed our Caravan with Range Rovers and never had an issue at all, thats a 4x4!!
If you tow another Omega with an Omega you certainly know its there... anyone who says different I am afraid is telling porkies...
I have not towed a Caravan with an Omega yet but will be soon enough ;)
4x4's will tow anything but more likely to tip over than a car if things go pear shaped just due to height & long bouncy suspension. Anyway, stuff that, now you've been promoted are you getting a caravan??? 8-)
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I towed our Caravan with Range Rovers and never had an issue at all, thats a 4x4!!
If you tow another Omega with an Omega you certainly know its there... anyone who says different I am afraid is telling porkies...
I have not towed a Caravan with an Omega yet but will be soon enough ;)
4x4's will tow anything but more likely to tip over than a car if things go pear shaped just due to height & long bouncy suspension. Anyway, stuff that, now you've been promoted are you getting a caravan??? 8-)
I agree they are top heavy though :y
Yes The Master, Jammie & Daddy have chipped in and got me one :-X ;)
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I towed our Caravan with Range Rovers and never had an issue at all, thats a 4x4!!
If you tow another Omega with an Omega you certainly know its there... anyone who says different I am afraid is telling porkies...
I have not towed a Caravan with an Omega yet but will be soon enough ;)
I havent towed another Omega with an Omega, but I towed a 1992 Granada Scorpio with it the other day, and quite honestly, it was a walk in the park for the Mig. I knew it was there, because I could see it in my mirrors! ;D
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Not gonna argue with those sentiments at all ... which is why I choose an Omega and not a 4X4 .. and I do a LOT of towing !!!
However I would also not exceed the cars plated weight, for the reasons stated.
I've not had a "tankslapper" as you put it .. and hope never to have one .. but I have had a major "upset" that involved all 3 lanes of the motorway.. luckily for me everyone got out of the way and the rig returned to normal after about 30 seconds ....
The reason was simple .. excessive speed .. I had been powering up a long climb and didn't ease off at the top ... so was going much faster than intended on the downhill side when the "cutting" ended and a side wind hit me .. add the 2 together and the answer was frighting. .. it is my belief that had the van been overweight I might not be here .. as it was the car handled the weight and as it slowed (foot off no braking) the problem went away..... eventually.... but those 30 seconds felt like a lifetime :(
As I said .. laws of physics ... :(
A tankslapper is a motorbike phrase where the forks get a weave on, i was using a little poetic licence but it seems you had the caravan alternative & dealt with it properly, ie feet off the pedals, hold the steering steady & CLENCH!!!!! ;D
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Not gonna argue with those sentiments at all ... which is why I choose an Omega and not a 4X4 .. and I do a LOT of towing !!!
However I would also not exceed the cars plated weight, for the reasons stated.
I've not had a "tankslapper" as you put it .. and hope never to have one .. but I have had a major "upset" that involved all 3 lanes of the motorway.. luckily for me everyone got out of the way and the rig returned to normal after about 30 seconds ....
The reason was simple .. excessive speed .. I had been powering up a long climb and didn't ease off at the top ... so was going much faster than intended on the downhill side when the "cutting" ended and a side wind hit me .. add the 2 together and the answer was frighting. .. it is my belief that had the van been overweight I might not be here .. as it was the car handled the weight and as it slowed (foot off no braking) the problem went away..... eventually.... but those 30 seconds felt like a lifetime :(
As I said .. laws of physics ... :(
A tankslapper is a motorbike phrase where the forks get a weave on, i was using a little poetic licence but it seems you had the caravan alternative & dealt with it properly, ie feet off the pedals, hold the steering steady & CLENCH!!!!! ;D
A Dry Blackthorn moment, as I call it.... (showing my age now)
Hold on with BOTH hands....
;D ;D
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Not gonna argue with those sentiments at all ... which is why I choose an Omega and not a 4X4 .. and I do a LOT of towing !!!
However I would also not exceed the cars plated weight, for the reasons stated.
I've not had a "tankslapper" as you put it .. and hope never to have one .. but I have had a major "upset" that involved all 3 lanes of the motorway.. luckily for me everyone got out of the way and the rig returned to normal after about 30 seconds ....
The reason was simple .. excessive speed .. I had been powering up a long climb and didn't ease off at the top ... so was going much faster than intended on the downhill side when the "cutting" ended and a side wind hit me .. add the 2 together and the answer was frighting. .. it is my belief that had the van been overweight I might not be here .. as it was the car handled the weight and as it slowed (foot off no braking) the problem went away..... eventually.... but those 30 seconds felt like a lifetime :(
As I said .. laws of physics ... :(
A tankslapper is a motorbike phrase where the forks get a weave on, i was using a little poetic licence but it seems you had the caravan alternative & dealt with it properly, ie feet off the pedals, hold the steering steady & CLENCH!!!!! ;D
A Dry Blackthorn moment, as I call it.... (showing my age now)
Hold on with BOTH hands....
;D ;D
Also known as the Guiness cough! :o
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I towed our Caravan with Range Rovers and never had an issue at all, thats a 4x4!!
If you tow another Omega with an Omega you certainly know its there... anyone who says different I am afraid is telling porkies...
I have not towed a Caravan with an Omega yet but will be soon enough ;)
4x4's will tow anything but more likely to tip over than a car if things go pear shaped just due to height & long bouncy suspension. Anyway, stuff that, now you've been promoted are you getting a caravan??? 8-)
I agree they are top heavy though :y
Yes The Master, Jammie & Daddy have chipped in and got me one :-X ;)
Periwinkle blue?
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Hey fellas, sorry to seem to stir up a hornets nest with my original post about towing my van :( :(
As I said at the start, I don't normally tow as my van is kept in storage on site. At the time of buying the van, I knew my then car (Laguna) would have broken in half using that as a tow truck ;D
Its just that when I got the Miggy, it had a tow bar, so I thought 'brill....we can tow if need be'.
However, your replies show quite clearly that it would be foolish to do so, and to this I am indebted :y
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I towed our Caravan with Range Rovers and never had an issue at all, thats a 4x4!!
If you tow another Omega with an Omega you certainly know its there... anyone who says different I am afraid is telling porkies...
I have not towed a Caravan with an Omega yet but will be soon enough ;)
4x4's will tow anything but more likely to tip over than a car if things go pear shaped just due to height & long bouncy suspension. Anyway, stuff that, now you've been promoted are you getting a caravan??? 8-)
An overweight trailer weaving will still pull an omega off course. Less likely to pull a 2.5t disco off course ;)
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I towed our Caravan with Range Rovers and never had an issue at all, thats a 4x4!!
If you tow another Omega with an Omega you certainly know its there... anyone who says different I am afraid is telling porkies...
I have not towed a Caravan with an Omega yet but will be soon enough ;)
4x4's will tow anything but more likely to tip over than a car if things go pear shaped just due to height & long bouncy suspension. Anyway, stuff that, now you've been promoted are you getting a caravan??? 8-)
An overweight trailer weaving will still pull an omega off course. Less likely to pull a 2.5t disco off course ;)
:-? depends how heavy the 'over weight trailer' is ..... if it's too heavy for the Disco, it'll still pull it off course ;) ;) ;)
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I towed our Caravan with Range Rovers and never had an issue at all, thats a 4x4!!
If you tow another Omega with an Omega you certainly know its there... anyone who says different I am afraid is telling porkies...
I have not towed a Caravan with an Omega yet but will be soon enough ;)
4x4's will tow anything but more likely to tip over than a car if things go pear shaped just due to height & long bouncy suspension. Anyway, stuff that, now you've been promoted are you getting a caravan??? 8-)
An overweight trailer weaving will still pull an omega off course. Less likely to pull a 2.5t disco off course ;)
:-? depends how heavy the 'over weight trailer' is ..... if it's too heavy for the Disco, it'll still pull it off course ;) ;) ;)
yes, indeed, but the manufacturer towing weights are higher ;)
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I towed our Caravan with Range Rovers and never had an issue at all, thats a 4x4!!
If you tow another Omega with an Omega you certainly know its there... anyone who says different I am afraid is telling porkies...
I have not towed a Caravan with an Omega yet but will be soon enough ;)
4x4's will tow anything but more likely to tip over than a car if things go pear shaped just due to height & long bouncy suspension. Anyway, stuff that, now you've been promoted are you getting a caravan??? 8-)
An overweight trailer weaving will still pull an omega off course. Less likely to pull a 2.5t disco off course ;)
:-? depends how heavy the 'over weight trailer' is ..... if it's too heavy for the Disco, it'll still pull it off course ;) ;) ;)
yes, indeed, but the manufacturer towing weights are higher ;)
Think that is down to being able to add both axle weights together with it being 4x4.
It has actually puzzled me as the two car Classic Range Rover & Omega aren't that much difference in weight :-?
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well after towing with cavs,vectras,migs,i much prefer to tow with a 4x4 i liked the disco but towing with this bighorn is cock on i dont think a car compares but itall boils down to the car being upto the job and the most important factor is having the van loaded correctly and a decent working stabiliser also as guy said earlier tyres play an important factor and the pressure being correct,to anyone who thinks a stabiliser will stop snaking it doesnt,you can never stop it happening but a good stabiliser will reduce it happening and correct a snake quickly if you know how to handle them
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4x4''s are good solid load luggers & will pull any van with space & comfort. Some of them are that well kitted out you could live in them, no need for a caravan. I grudgingly accept the powers that be (who know diddly squat) have decided a 4x4 is a safer towing vehicle than an equivalent weight/power large proper saloon/estate car......
But i will never agree as they are wrong.
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I find that the mig is a better tow car than my old grand cherokee,they are very similar in weight but the mig always feels more planted on the road.I am sure that a heavier 4x4 would feel better in this respect and was probably the reason that the jeep had quite a low max permissable towing weight
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IMHO the 3.0 miggy ESTATE is the best towcar I have had so far. Heavy, planted, good brakes, long, and steady with more than ample power for pulling a twin axled 'van.
Not sure what the Max permitted tow weight is, but have pulled a 24ft twin axled 'van EASILY and safely when my mates car "expired" on the way home from his holiday with HG failure. (Kia Sedona.........horrible car)