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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Lizzie_Zoom on 06 September 2010, 14:32:13
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In another thread I have mentioned the German WW2 Tiger tank engine. This wetted my taste again for heavy engineering and the wonderful sound that comes from a glorious piece of engineering. They may have been very representative of an evil regieme, but these beasts highlight the great German ability to build engines, that we still enjoy today in more peaceful times 8-) 8-) 8-)
Enjoy:
Guided tour of a Panther Tank Maybach V12 engine
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU35UDVX8q8[/media]
How this engine sounds in a Panther Tank:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRH2GoIuhmA&feature=fvw[/media]
An ex-Tiger Tank Maybach V12 Engine running:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1sGzIX_mqo[/media]
........and inside a Tiger:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFNgyqVzeQc&feature=related[/media]
A Tiger 1 in action:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCobn1h1OwQ&feature=related[/media]
All enough to bring fear to the hearts of the brave British tank corps, who could suffer from "Tigerphobia" due to the percieved invincibility of these great tanks during WW2. It was reckoned that it would take 5 Sherman tanks to corner a Tiger and destroy it, but only 1 Sherman would return! :o :o
Finally a King Tiger:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sqjTkrFM48&feature=related[/media]
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Stunning engines..........did you know a lot of them are still around today, having been pillaged from the "dead" tanks and attached to generators?
There is a guy from AGGREKO generators that still services an ex-WW2 panther engined genny even today!!
What a stunning diesel, wonder what its output was?
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Stunning engines..........did you know a lot of them are still around today, having been pillaged from the "dead" tanks and attached to generators?
There is a guy from AGGREKO generators that still services an ex-WW2 panther engined genny even today!!
What a stunning diesel, wonder what its output was?
Apparently the Maybach V12 V12 HL 210 P45 is 650hp and V12 Maybach HL 230 P45 is 700hp ;) ;)
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Wow! 700 Bhp at about 1200 revs................man, thats TORQUE.
I understand why they use them for gennies now, they must go on for ever.
The Germans have quite a reputation for engineering, some of it is definately well deserved. I know this engine was essentially for war purposes, but the excellance and build of the 1935 to 40s machinery is quite frankly up to todays standards. (probably why there are some still around today.....)
Have you seen the Focke Wulf Rotary engines fitted to the WW2 fighter planes? fantastic tolerances for the time, and the power they reliably got from them.........
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Wow! 700 Bhp at about 1200 revs................man, thats TORQUE.
I understand why they use them for gennies now, they must go on for ever.
The Germans have quite a reputation for engineering, some of it is definately well deserved. I know this engine was essentially for war purposes, but the excellance and build of the 1935 to 40s machinery is quite frankly up to todays standards. (probably why there are some still around today.....)
Have you seen the Focke Wulf Rotary engines fitted to the WW2 fighter planes? fantastic tolerances for the time, and the power they reliably got from them.........
Yes, the FW 190 A-8 was fitted with BMW 801 engine producing 2,100 hp, with a speed of 408mph at 21,000 feet. However, the later FW 190 D-9 was equipped with a Junkers Jumo 231A engine producing 1,770 hp, but giving the plane an optimum speed of 426 at 21,000 feet.
As for the Maybach V12 HL 230 P45 it was eventually also fitted to the King Tiger, but as this tank was 11 tons heavier than the Panther it was considered inadequate. It used 500 litres of fuel per 100 km. ;) ;)
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Its funny, lizzie, and quite ironic that some of the very best engineering comes out of the need to create machines for war to kill people................
Even Mr. Kalashnikov only invented his famous gun because the russian army needed something that would survive extreme abuse by soldiers that had no real mechanical aptitude, and even when filthy dirty was capable of reliable relatively accurate fire with good longevity at a cheap to manufacture price. Th AK47 is still manufactured today by the chinese under licence, and it is said they are the most prolific gun in existance as there were more made than any other!!
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Its funny, lizzie, and quite ironic that some of the very best engineering comes out of the need to create machines for war to kill people................
Even Mr. Kalashnikov only invented his famous gun because the russian army needed something that would survive extreme abuse by soldiers that had no real mechanical aptitude, and even when filthy dirty was capable of reliable relatively accurate fire with good longevity at a cheap to manufacture price. Th AK47 is still manufactured today by the chinese under licence, and it is said they are the most prolific gun in existance as there were more made than any other!!
Indeed Mike, and along with the AK47 the list is endless! ;) ;)
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Its funny, lizzie, and quite ironic that some of the very best engineering comes out of the need to create machines for war to kill people................
Even Mr. Kalashnikov only invented his famous gun because the russian army needed something that would survive extreme abuse by soldiers that had no real mechanical aptitude, and even when filthy dirty was capable of reliable relatively accurate fire with good longevity at a cheap to manufacture price. Th AK47 is still manufactured today by the chinese under licence, and it is said they are the most prolific gun in existance as there were more made than any other!!
Indeed, there`s many a country`s economy founded/funded upon the machinery of war and the need to 'kill or be killed'......as with much of our British inventiveness; war is an accelerant to rapid and well-designed engineering. :y
.....`great videos Lizzie, thanks for posting! ;)
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Its funny, lizzie, and quite ironic that some of the very best engineering comes out of the need to create machines for war to kill people................
Even Mr. Kalashnikov only invented his famous gun because the russian army needed something that would survive extreme abuse by soldiers that had no real mechanical aptitude, and even when filthy dirty was capable of reliable relatively accurate fire with good longevity at a cheap to manufacture price. Th AK47 is still manufactured today by the chinese under licence, and it is said they are the most prolific gun in existance as there were more made than any other!!
Indeed, there`s many a country`s economy founded/funded upon the machinery of war and the need to 'kill or be killed'......as with much of our British inventiveness; war is an accelerant to rapid and well-designed engineering. :y
.....`great videos Lizzie, thanks for posting! ;)
Thanks Debs! :y :y
How true Debs, and the smell of a profit to be made often also drives the beast! The United States of America may did make all the difference to victory being secured in WW2, but they gained an even bigger industrial profit in the process, after initially gaining industrial strength from 1900 through to the Great War and thereafter.
Wars have advanced nations throughout history from before the Romans and through to the British Empire. The United States also came to their 'Empire' through the same route. A warning from history. How will the next empire be formed?
We can rightly say that wars giveth, and wars take away.
;) ;)
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Its funny, lizzie, and quite ironic that some of the very best engineering comes out of the need to create machines for war to kill people................
Even Mr. Kalashnikov only invented his famous gun because the russian army needed something that would survive extreme abuse by soldiers that had no real mechanical aptitude, and even when filthy dirty was capable of reliable relatively accurate fire with good longevity at a cheap to manufacture price. Th AK47 is still manufactured today by the chinese under licence, and it is said they are the most prolific gun in existance as there were more made than any other!!
Indeed, there`s many a country`s economy founded/funded upon the machinery of war and the need to 'kill or be killed'......as with much of our British inventiveness; war is an accelerant to rapid and well-designed engineering. :y
.....`great videos Lizzie, thanks for posting! ;)
Thanks Debs! :y :y
How true Debs, and the smell of a profit to be made often also drives the beast! The United States of America may did make all the difference to victory being secured in WW2, but they gained an even bigger industrial profit in the process, after initially gaining industrial strength from 1900 through to the Great War and thereafter.
Wars have advanced nations throughout history from before the Romans and through to the British Empire. The United States also came to their 'Empire' through the same route. A warning from history. How will the next empire be formed?
We can rightly say that wars giveth, and wars take away.
;) ;)
true Lizzie.. and for empires, internal problems (mostly economic) sometimes can be more deadly than the wars ..
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and for Hitler, although German nation had a high tech at the time (and still) he tried to swallow a big portion of the continent than he cant handle..
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We use Detroit diesel V8's with a turbo & a super charger on some of our HPU's at work & the sound sooooooooo 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
They make the hair stand up on the back of your neck :) :) :)
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and for Hitler, although German nation had a high tech at the time (and still) he tried to swallow a big portion of the continent than he can handle..
Yes Cem, the Third Reich overstretched itself when it failed to secure the resources - oil in particular - that it needed to maintain the war. Territorial gain was essential from the start of Hitler's war for the expansion and maintenance of the Reich. Failure to win battles from 1942 onwards led to the decline, and indeed rendered the very tanks I mention in this thread useless when they ran out of fuel, and their crews had to abandon them where they stopped.
Indeed the final major offensive by the German Panzer divisions through the Ardennes (Battle of the Bulge) late in 1944 was brought to a halt when they ran out of fuel after attempting to capture Allied fuel dumps. ;) ;)
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Fantastic piece of engineering ,which ironically was part of its downfall , it had to have specialist servicing and equipment which meant it wasn't very practical in the field i.e the eastern front , the Russian T34 wasn't a patch on it technically, but it could be serviced by the roadside by semi-skilled labour,and could be back in service way sooner than the German tanks
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and for Hitler, although German nation had a high tech at the time (and still) he tried to swallow a big portion of the continent than he can handle..
Yes Cem, the Third Reich overstretched itself when it failed to secure the resources - oil in particular - that it needed to maintain the war. Territorial gain was essential from the start of Hitler's war for the expansion and maintenance of the Reich. Failure to win battles from 1942 onwards led to the decline, and indeed rendered the very tanks I mention in this thread useless when they ran out of fuel, and their crews had to abandon them where they stopped.
Indeed the final major offensive by the German Panzer divisions through the Ardennes (Battle of the Bulge) late in 1944 was brought to a halt when they ran out of fuel after attempting to capture Allied fuel dumps. ;) ;)
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this part of the history was one of my hobies for reading for many years Lizzie :) ..
the main reason for Hitler starting to loose the battle is lack of fuel.. they were heavly based on Romanian and Russian fuel .. of which, were soon stopped by allied forces and russians..
http://www.2worldwar2.com/mistakes.htm
http://vanrcook.tripod.com/Germanfuelshortage.htm
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and for Hitler, although German nation had a high tech at the time (and still) he tried to swallow a big portion of the continent than he can handle..
Yes Cem, the Third Reich overstretched itself when it failed to secure the resources - oil in particular - that it needed to maintain the war. Territorial gain was essential from the start of Hitler's war for the expansion and maintenance of the Reich. Failure to win battles from 1942 onwards led to the decline, and indeed rendered the very tanks I mention in this thread useless when they ran out of fuel, and their crews had to abandon them where they stopped.
Indeed the final major offensive by the German Panzer divisions through the Ardennes (Battle of the Bulge) late in 1944 was brought to a halt when they ran out of fuel after attempting to capture Allied fuel dumps. ;) ;)
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this part of the history was one of my hobies for reading for many years Lizzie :) ..
the main reason for Hitler starting to loose the battle is lack of fuel.. they were heavly based on Romanian and Russian fuel .. of which, were soon stopped by allied forces and russians..
http://www.2worldwar2.com/mistakes.htm
http://vanrcook.tripod.com/Germanfuelshortage.htm
Thanks for those great links Cem!! :y :y :y
Counterfactual history is something I have had to consider at university, although I had already studied the 'possibilities' that never happened surrounding Dunkirk, Battle of Britain, Operation SEALION, and D-Day, amongst others!
All I'll say is thank God for Hilter's mis-judgement, stupidity, and fate!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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and for Hitler, although German nation had a high tech at the time (and still) he tried to swallow a big portion of the continent than he can handle..
Yes Cem, the Third Reich overstretched itself when it failed to secure the resources - oil in particular - that it needed to maintain the war. Territorial gain was essential from the start of Hitler's war for the expansion and maintenance of the Reich. Failure to win battles from 1942 onwards led to the decline, and indeed rendered the very tanks I mention in this thread useless when they ran out of fuel, and their crews had to abandon them where they stopped.
Indeed the final major offensive by the German Panzer divisions through the Ardennes (Battle of the Bulge) late in 1944 was brought to a halt when they ran out of fuel after attempting to capture Allied fuel dumps. ;) ;)
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this part of the history was one of my hobies for reading for many years Lizzie :) ..
the main reason for Hitler starting to loose the battle is lack of fuel.. they were heavly based on Romanian and Russian fuel .. of which, were soon stopped by allied forces and russians..
http://www.2worldwar2.com/mistakes.htm
http://vanrcook.tripod.com/Germanfuelshortage.htm
Thanks for those great links Cem!! :y :y :y
Counterfactual history is something I have had to consider at university, although I had already studied the 'possibilities' that never happened surrounding Dunkirk, Battle of Britain, Operation SEALION, and D-Day, amongst others!
All I'll say is thank God for Hilter's mis-judgement, stupidity, and fate!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
yes Lizzie..otherwise they wont be dictators.. ;D
and unfortunately still I see around many local copies :(
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Fantastic piece of engineering ,which ironically was part of its downfall , it had to have specialist servicing and equipment which meant it wasn't very practical in the field i.e the eastern front , the Russian T34 wasn't a patch on it technically, but it could be serviced by the roadside by semi-skilled labour,and could be back in service way sooner than the German tanks
Yes, and the early Tiger 1's in particular suffered from a poor reliability record. In fact they were prohibited from accompanying long marches to avoid unnecessary strain on their drive trains. ;) ;)
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Have you seen the Focke Wulf Rotary engines fitted to the WW2 fighter planes? fantastic tolerances for the time, and the power they reliably got from them
Sorry,not Rotary engines,Radial maybe but not Rotary.
The illusion of a rotary engine was due to the additional (geared) cooling fan fitted within the cowling.
eddie