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Title: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Debs. on 28 September 2010, 17:23:03
.......will forever bring to mind the Lone Ranger.

.......then Briccaialdi`s Carnival of Venice will always remind one of who?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM456eNoVgQ[/media]
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 28 September 2010, 17:51:00
Sorry Ms Debs..... I have absolutely no idea......but I'm fick and unsuffistikated..... :) :-* :-*
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: HolyCount on 28 September 2010, 18:00:00
Monsieur Dibnah methinks
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 28 September 2010, 18:06:35
On first hearing mind you, and played in this ridiculously florid and overly arranged way, I'm reminded of a ‘what’ and not a ‘who’.

My interpretation of this effort would, I’m sure, make Mr Galway rather cross.
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: jereboam on 28 September 2010, 18:30:43
Recognise the piece, but don't associate it with anyone. 

Is James Galway becoming the Richard Clayderman of the flute?  Was this piece originally intended for the trumpet, because there are bits that sound remarkably like "triple-tonguing", which is not a technique I associate with the flute? 

Clever, but not very subtle. :)
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 28 September 2010, 18:36:00
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Recognise the piece, but don't associate it with anyone. 

Is James Galway becoming the Richard Clayderman of the flute?  Was this piece originally intended for the trumpet, because there are bits that sound remarkably like "triple-tonguing", which is not a technique I associate with the flute? 

Clever, but not very subtle. :)



The mind boggles.... ;)
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Bent valve on 28 September 2010, 18:39:41
Charlie chaplin?
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Pitchfork on 28 September 2010, 18:44:04
My hat it has 3 corners
3 corners has my hat................
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 28 September 2010, 18:55:21
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Recognise the piece, but don't associate it with anyone. 

Is James Galway becoming the Richard Clayderman of the flute?  Was this piece originally intended for the trumpet, because there are bits that sound remarkably like "triple-tonguing", which is not a technique I associate with the flute? 

Clever, but not very subtle. :)

Yes J, it's a piece more associated with the trumpet and does have its fair share of both double and triple tonguing - a very difficult technique to perfect.
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Nickbat on 28 September 2010, 19:08:10
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Recognise the piece, but don't associate it with anyone. 

Is James Galway becoming the Richard Clayderman of the flute?  Was this piece originally intended for the trumpet, because there are bits that sound remarkably like "triple-tonguing", which is not a technique I associate with the flute? 

Clever, but not very subtle. :)

Yes J, it's a piece more associated with the trumpet and does have its fair share of both double and triple tonguing - a very difficult technique to perfect.

There are times when I find it very difficult to avoid being coarse, such is the temptation.  :-[ :-[ ;)
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Amigo on 28 September 2010, 19:16:52
My Dad used to sing "He's got a head like a ping pong ball" to William Tells overture. Not sure why maybe a RAF/Rugby thing?
    I liken it to the noise a mobile makes when trying to connect. ::)
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Amigo on 28 September 2010, 19:18:19
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Recognise the piece, but don't associate it with anyone. 

Is James Galway becoming the Richard Clayderman of the flute?  Was this piece originally intended for the trumpet, because there are bits that sound remarkably like "triple-tonguing", which is not a technique I associate with the flute? 

Clever, but not very subtle. :)

Yes J, it's a piece more associated with the trumpet and does have its fair share of both double and triple tonguing - a very difficult technique to perfect.

There are times when I find it very difficult to avoid being coarse, such is the temptation.  :-[ :-[ ;)
Indeed. I also will refrain from further comment suffice to say L9 MUF!!!! :P
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Jimbob on 28 September 2010, 19:21:26
or the William Tell Overture for Curry Lovers

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnKMehoLaF8[/media]
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Jimbob on 28 September 2010, 19:22:18
or if thats still too cultured...

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VepjINQlqnE[/media]
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 28 September 2010, 19:22:33
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Recognise the piece, but don't associate it with anyone. 

Is James Galway becoming the Richard Clayderman of the flute?  Was this piece originally intended for the trumpet, because there are bits that sound remarkably like "triple-tonguing", which is not a technique I associate with the flute? 

Clever, but not very subtle. :)

Yes J, it's a piece more associated with the trumpet and does have its fair share of both double and triple tonguing - a very difficult technique to perfect.


I seem to recall that there was a lot of this technique performed  in the "Emmanuelle"films from my youth.... ::) ;)
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 28 September 2010, 19:41:11
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or the William Tell Overture for Curry Lovers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnKMehoLaF8


Very good indeed. 8-) :y
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Debs. on 28 September 2010, 19:52:18
Well, I`m a bit disappointed and somewhat surprised that only our-dear Holy Count correctly observed that it was the music used in the very first television appearance of 'Fred' in the BBC North West documentary: "Fred Dibnah: Steeplejack" (1979).

The music first heard in the documentary as Fred swings in a boatswain`s chair high a`top a chimney.....The music always seemed to fit the Northern setting and somewhat pedestrian tempo of the programme; despite it`s Venetian title. :-*
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 28 September 2010, 19:56:47
A young Wynton Marsalis shows us how the piece should be played. (On a cornet I do believe)




[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-jDld11jhw[/media]
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 28 September 2010, 20:00:19
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Well, I`m a bit disappointed and somewhat surprised that only our-dear Holy Count correctly observed that it was the music used in the very first television appearance of 'Fred' in the BBC North West documentary: "Fred Dibnah: Steeplejack" (1979).

The music first heard in the documentary as Fred swings in a boatswain`s chair high a`top a chimney.....The music always seemed to fit the Northern setting and somewhat pedestrian tempo of the programme; despite it`s Venetian title. :-*


It's a well known test piece on the brass/silver band circuit so, perhaps, the link with Northern England.
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Debs. on 28 September 2010, 20:03:07
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A young Wynton Marsalis shows us how the piece should be played. (On a cornet I do believe)




[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-jDld11jhw[/media]

 :-*Lovely!.......Flugelhorn or Cornet? (I find it tricky to be sure of the differences) ;)
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 28 September 2010, 20:05:38
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Well, I`m a bit disappointed and somewhat surprised that only our-dear Holy Count correctly observed that it was the music used in the very first television appearance of 'Fred' in the BBC North West documentary: "Fred Dibnah: Steeplejack" (1979).

The music first heard in the documentary as Fred swings in a boatswain`s chair high a`top a chimney.....The music always seemed to fit the Northern setting and somewhat pedestrian tempo of the programme; despite it`s Venetian title. :-*


A little harsh Debs........we all did our best..... :'( :'( ;) :-* :-*
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 28 September 2010, 20:08:49
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A young Wynton Marsalis shows us how the piece should be played. (On a cornet I do believe)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-jDld11jhw

 :-*Lovely!.......Flugelhorn or Cornet? (I find it tricky to be sure of the differences) ;)

The flugel is a much bigger instrument producing an even mellower, lower tone than the cornet -  (when compared to that of the trumpet).

Marsalis has played jazz on the flugel quite often.

[edit]Although the instrument in the Marsalis piece appears to me to be a cornet, I don't discount the possibility of it perhaps being a pocket trumpet. (Based on the ratio of taper from the final radius of the instrument to the bell).[/edit]
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Debs. on 28 September 2010, 20:13:59
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Well, I`m a bit disappointed and somewhat surprised that only our-dear Holy Count correctly observed that it was the music used in the very first television appearance of 'Fred' in the BBC North West documentary: "Fred Dibnah: Steeplejack" (1979).

The music first heard in the documentary as Fred swings in a boatswain`s chair high a`top a chimney.....The music always seemed to fit the Northern setting and somewhat pedestrian tempo of the programme; despite it`s Venetian title. :-*


A little harsh Debs........we all did our best..... :'( :'( ;) :-* :-*

C-
See me after the lesson! :P
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 28 September 2010, 20:17:10
A flugelhorn played quite well by this young man;


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK3lFSQf_sc[/media]
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Nickbat on 28 September 2010, 20:44:17
E' by gum, the flugelhorn.

This from Brassed Off: Rodrigo's Concierto "d'Orange Juice".  ;) ;)

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8uoY9e5YVY[/media]

Played by the Grimethorpe Colliery Band, soloist Paul Hughes (aka Tara Fitzgerald  :-* :-* :y). 


Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 28 September 2010, 21:06:17
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E' by gum, the flugelhorn.

This from Brassed Off: Rodrigo's Concierto "d'Orange Juice".  ;) ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8uoY9e5YVY

Played by the Grimethorpe Colliery Band, soloist Paul Hughes (aka Tara Fitzgerald  :-* :-* :y). 



It's sometimes difficult to watch actors trying to mime in this way.  The breathing and finger positions are never convincing.

Tara Fitzgerald on the other hand - Oh that heavenly voice, I could listen to it all night. 8-) :-* :-* :-*

A disappointing transcription of the piece all the same with the majesty and depth of the work sacrificed for an overly bright tempo and lightness of tone. :(
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Nickbat on 28 September 2010, 21:09:36
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It's sometimes difficult to watch actors trying to mime in this way.  The breathing and finger positions are never convincing.

Tara Fitzgerald on the other hand - Oh that heavenly voice, I could listen to it all night. 8-) :-* :-* :-*

A disappointing transcription of the piece all the same with the majesty and depth of the work sacrificed for an overly bright tempo and lightness of tone. :(

Standard trick to reduce the suicide risk, Z.  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 28 September 2010, 21:11:39
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It's sometimes difficult to watch actors trying to mime in this way.  The breathing and finger positions are never convincing.

Tara Fitzgerald on the other hand - Oh that heavenly voice, I could listen to it all night. 8-) :-* :-* :-*

A disappointing transcription of the piece all the same with the majesty and depth of the work sacrificed for an overly bright tempo and lightness of tone. :(

Standard trick to reduce the suicide risk, Z.  ;) ;D ;D


 ;D ;D ;D Outstanding  ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Amigo on 28 September 2010, 21:25:08
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Well, I`m a bit disappointed and somewhat surprised that only our-dear Holy Count correctly observed that it was the music used in the very first television appearance of 'Fred' in the BBC North West documentary: "Fred Dibnah: Steeplejack" (1979).

The music first heard in the documentary as Fred swings in a boatswain`s chair high a`top a chimney.....The music always seemed to fit the Northern setting and somewhat pedestrian tempo of the programme; despite it`s Venetian title. :-*


A little harsh Debs........we all did our best..... :'( :'( ;) :-* :-*

C-
See me after the lesson! :P
:D!!!!!
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: jereboam on 29 September 2010, 11:45:34
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A young Wynton Marsalis shows us how the piece should be played. (On a cornet I do believe)


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-jDld11jhw[/media]
Very, very impressive, but utterly pointless!  A triumph of technique over musicality. :) :) :)

Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: PhilRich on 29 September 2010, 12:11:06
Holy Count got it in one! The sadly missed Fred Dibnah :(
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 29 September 2010, 14:42:49
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A young Wynton Marsalis shows us how the piece should be played. (On a cornet I do believe)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-jDld11jhw
Very, very impressive, but utterly pointless!  A triumph of technique over musicality. :) :) :)


Yes I do agree J:  Although this was a piece of audience candy at the end of a formal concert, delivered with much more embellishment than really necessary, it does illustrate the complexity of the piece.

It also serves to show the very fine distinction between true musical virtuosity and overkill.
Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Richie London on 29 September 2010, 16:33:07
i seem to be getting the taste for classical music lately, just love these 2 tracks.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_2bGu8ADs4&feature=related[/media]

Title: Re: If Rossini`s William Tell Overture........
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 29 September 2010, 18:09:24
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i seem to be getting the taste for classical music lately, just love these 2 tracks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_2bGu8ADs4&feature=related



Great news Richie. 8-) :y

This piece is from Wagner's Die Walküre part of the 'Ring Cycle' of three 'operas' and an introductory work.

The only thing we need to do now is to ensure that you have between 4 and 5 hours (depending on the production) to enjoy this particular 'opera' in its entirety. ;D ;D :y

If you want to do in the complete Cycle, set 17 to 18 hours aside - again depending on production.


This is it in the context of the work; :-* :-*

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aKAH_t0aXA[/media]