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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: I_want_an_Omega on 16 October 2010, 18:20:24
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Low energy bulbs have made massive progress in the last few years with ordinary LE bulb prices being "supported" by the power companies.
However, LE candle bulbs are also available but as they are newish on the market and don't get the subsidy they are quite expensive @ between about £4 and £6 each :(
Does anyone have any experience of these at all?
Thanks - Rob
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what do u want to know in particular? i sell the things for a living (electrical wholesaler)
most LE lamps i see are CFL... and the majority are spiral shape which puts people off them, but they do last longer than a normal GLS type and use less energy... and LED lamps are even better still
the way to look at it is, for example:
50w GU10 lamp (halogen) lasts 2000 hours and costs say around 2.50
11w LE equivalent (11w LE = 50w Halogen in terms of lumen output) lasts around 6000 hours (so 3 times longer) and costs, as u said between 4-6
so for something that may cost twice as much, u will, in theory, change 3 times less often, as well as using 39w less per lamp
LED goes more "extreme" again
50w GU10 - 2000 hours - 2.50
4w LED GU10 - 25,000 hours - 12-15
i hope this makes a bit of sense... it does to me anyway haha
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I have a few and they work pretty well, I tend to use Magaman ones as they work well and seem to be a little more reliable.
As for LED, forget it, its bloody awful light to do anything meaningful with
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Ah Xplicit, you may know the answer to a problem I have got.
I have a ceiling light with five bulb holders. I want to place 'green', energy efficient, bulbs in it but know I cannot use the standard energy saving bulbs I have (in quantity!! ::) ::)), so what can I safely use please?
Sorry to hijack the thread a bit, but I suspect it is on the same theme. ;) ;)
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Low energy bulbs have made massive progress in the last few years with ordinary LE bulb prices being "supported" by the power companies.
However, LE candle bulbs are also available but as they are newish on the market and don't get the subsidy they are quite expensive @ between about £4 and £6 each :(
Does anyone have any experience of these at all?
Thanks - Rob
Forget all that low-energy, lousy light stuff, you want "heatballs". ;) ;D
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69E3FS20101015
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Ah Xplicit, you may know the answer to a problem I have got.
I have a ceiling light with five bulb holders. I want to place 'green', energy efficient, bulbs in it but know I cannot use the standard energy saving bulbs I have (in quantity!! ::) ::)), so what can I safely use please?
Sorry to hijack the thread a bit, but I suspect it is on the same theme. ;) ;)
Question is Lizzie, what type of bulbs are they?
Halogen, low voltage, high voltage, spots etc.
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Ah Xplicit, you may know the answer to a problem I have got.
I have a ceiling light with five bulb holders. I want to place 'green', energy efficient, bulbs in it but know I cannot use the standard energy saving bulbs I have (in quantity!! ::) ::)), so what can I safely use please?
Sorry to hijack the thread a bit, but I suspect it is on the same theme. ;) ;)
Question is Lizzie, what type of bulbs are they?
Halogen, low voltage, high voltage, spots etc.
Now I'm confused! ::) ::) :D :D
The current bulbs are standard 40w candle screw in bulbs ;)
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I'm with MDTM on this - Megaman :y
The small bulbs, though, do take a minute or 2 to warm up, like the very early energy bulbs.
Incidentally, I tend to use energy bulbs in the leadlamps now - they last longer. And I can put 150W equivs in to leadlamps only suitable for 60W bulbs :)
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I'm with MDTM on this - Megaman :y
The small bulbs, though, do take a minute or 2 to warm up, like the very early energy bulbs.
Incidentally, I tend to use energy bulbs in the leadlamps now - they last longer. And I can put 150W equivs in to leadlamps only suitable for 60W bulbs :)
Yeh, there great for lead lamps and so much more rugged than even the special rough work bulbs
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Ah Xplicit, you may know the answer to a problem I have got.
I have a ceiling light with five bulb holders. I want to place 'green', energy efficient, bulbs in it but know I cannot use the standard energy saving bulbs I have (in quantity!! ::) ::)), so what can I safely use please?
Sorry to hijack the thread a bit, but I suspect it is on the same theme. ;) ;)
Question is Lizzie, what type of bulbs are they?
Halogen, low voltage, high voltage, spots etc.
Now I'm confused! ::) ::) :D :D
The current bulbs are standard 40w candle screw in bulbs ;)
CORRECTION: they are golf ball baynet standard bulbs!! ::) ::) ;)
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I have some Megaman ones for that type of application, a few years old and work very well.
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I'm with MDTM on this - Megaman :y
The small bulbs, though, do take a minute or 2 to warm up, like the very early energy bulbs.
Incidentally, I tend to use energy bulbs in the leadlamps now - they last longer. And I can put 150W equivs in to leadlamps only suitable for 60W bulbs :)
Yeh, there great for lead lamps and so much more rugged than even the special rough work bulbs
Not bad in the garage door opener either, but I put a normal RS back in for now (I use the freebie ones the electric companies give away for the garage, they seem to take about 30s for full light)
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I have a few and they work pretty well, I tend to use Magaman ones as they work well and seem to be a little more reliable.
As for LED, forget it, its bloody awful light to do anything meaningful with
no no no no sir.... LED has come a very very long way.... warm white (like normal bulbs) and cool white (hint of blue)
the only problem with LED is the initial cost... everything else about them is spot on
and yes Megamann are very good and have a very good reputation. most the sparkys i know would use them.... they just a lil too pricey (they took advantage of their good products im guessing)
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Ah Xplicit, you may know the answer to a problem I have got.
I have a ceiling light with five bulb holders. I want to place 'green', energy efficient, bulbs in it but know I cannot use the standard energy saving bulbs I have (in quantity!! ::) ::)), so what can I safely use please?
Sorry to hijack the thread a bit, but I suspect it is on the same theme. ;) ;)
Question is Lizzie, what type of bulbs are they?
Halogen, low voltage, high voltage, spots etc.
Now I'm confused! ::) ::) :D :D
The current bulbs are standard 40w candle screw in bulbs ;)
CORRECTION: they are golf ball baynet standard bulbs!! ::) ::) ;)
just saw this, yes u can get LW Golf Balls BC, direct swap
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I use the Megaman golfballs in the lounge and in dining room. They are around 3yrs old, no trouble at all except a 2m warm up period. Recommended, but be aware, they are 35W equiv, not 40w
Yet to see a decent LED light, so low energy for me for now
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i cant stand the dam low energey bulbs in most places
only place i use em is in halls as there such horible light
epeciliy when trying to do anything
and the dam things gice me a megrain headache
i like doing models cant see shit right with them things
iv just stocked up good on the good old normal bulbs
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Can I get LE spot light replacements then, cant remeber if the are the 240v bc or screw in type ?
Had 3 x 60watts in, had to replace one thingk it was a 40watt but smaller diamer and doesnt look right. But would prefer 3 x 40watt equivelent
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Can LE bulbs be used with a dimmer ok?
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yes and i think so (but dont quote me)
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Ah Xplicit, you may know the answer to a problem I have got.
I have a ceiling light with five bulb holders. I want to place 'green', energy efficient, bulbs in it but know I cannot use the standard energy saving bulbs I have (in quantity!! ::) ::)), so what can I safely use please?
Sorry to hijack the thread a bit, but I suspect it is on the same theme. ;) ;)
Question is Lizzie, what type of bulbs are they?
Halogen, low voltage, high voltage, spots etc.
Now I'm confused! ::) ::) :D :D
The current bulbs are standard 40w candle screw in bulbs ;)
CORRECTION: they are golf ball baynet standard bulbs!! ::) ::) ;)
just saw this, yes u can get LW Golf Balls BC, direct swap
Thanks Xplicit! :y :y :y!
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I have a few and they work pretty well, I tend to use Magaman ones as they work well and seem to be a little more reliable.
As for LED, forget it, its bloody awful light to do anything meaningful with
no no no no sir.... LED has come a very very long way.... warm white (like normal bulbs) and cool white (hint of blue)
the only problem with LED is the initial cost... everything else about them is spot on
and yes Megamann are very good and have a very good reputation. most the sparkys i know would use them.... they just a lil too pricey (they took advantage of their good products im guessing)
Totaly disagree, its naff.
The biggest issue is the limited light spectrum emmitted.
The white light is made up of 3 fairly narrow bands of light in the form of Red, Green and Blue and is emmitted from numerous PN junctions across the chip surface.
Although to the human eye this appears white and you can change the appearance of the light by varying the intensity of the colours, this does not result in a useful light.
The biggest issue is that when this light is reflected of a surface, a lot of detail is lost due to these narrow spectrums of light.
Hence, other than lighting lifts and corridors, its of little use for everyday working and can be bloody dangerous for work where there is safety risks.
I know there is a lot of work at the moment based around UV LED technology which is then coated in a phosphorous outer resulting in a broader spectrum of light being emmitted but, this is still some way off.
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Can LE bulbs be used with a dimmer ok?
There are some available, again Megaman do some and I tried using them as an experiment.
It has to be said that it was not a great outcome, when dimmed the control electronics get mega hot and resulted in the my first one going pop.
I had it changed and the second one lasted about 3 hours.
Possibly ok in a nice large shade in the middle of a room but, not so good if ventilation is even slightly limited. :y
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i cant stand the dam low energey bulbs in most places
only place i use em is in halls as there such horible light
epeciliy when trying to do anything
and the dam things gice me a megrain headache
i like doing models cant see shit right with them things
iv just stocked up good on the good old normal bulbs
Completely agree. while I can still just about find proper light bulbs I will use them where I possibly can. :y
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Can I get LE spot light replacements then, cant remeber if the are the 240v bc or screw in type ?
Had 3 x 60watts in, had to replace one thingk it was a 40watt but smaller diamer and doesnt look right. But would prefer 3 x 40watt equivelent
Yes you can, I have started to use these in the kitchen replacing as the bulbs blow, 6 in all. Only problem is, as others have said, they take time to get to full brightness, which can be annoying.......
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Can LE bulbs be used with a dimmer ok?
Generally no., but the manufacturers datasheets will advise on a case by case basis but it should be assumed not unless it says they can.
The progress made with normal CFLs in the last year is staggering. The supermarkets have Philips bulbs on offer at the moment for 50p each, or 3 for 30p & no, I haven't made a mistake.
They come on almost instantly and produce a normal light output within a couple of minutes.
I think that LEDs are the way forward - eventually, but they are some years away.
I need to help someone with a chandalier - hence the need for candle shaped bulbs, they are out there but a bit expensive.
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and yes Megamann are very good and have a very good reputation. most the sparkys i know would use them.... they just a lil too pricey (they took advantage of their good products im guessing)
Although the bu66ers did change the design of their 9w GU10 lamps without telling anyone so they no longer fit in the fittings I've got in the kitchen. :(
Kevin
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Can LE bulbs be used with a dimmer ok?
There are some available, again Megaman do some and I tried using them as an experiment.
It has to be said that it was not a great outcome, when dimmed the control electronics get mega hot and resulted in the my first one going pop.
I had it changed and the second one lasted about 3 hours.
Possibly ok in a nice large shade in the middle of a room but, not so good if ventilation is even slightly limited. :y
Enuff said, cheers for the explanation as well mark :y :y
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and yes Megamann are very good and have a very good reputation. most the sparkys i know would use them.... they just a lil too pricey (they took advantage of their good products im guessing)
Although the bu66ers did change the design of their 9w GU10 lamps without telling anyone so they no longer fit in the fittings I've got in the kitchen. :(
Kevin
haha could be worse, u caould have one of the fittings that only megamann GU10's fit in (the LE GU10's are longer than stand GU10's, and so these fittings had a fixed lamp holder at the bottom of the can, then a slight ridge on the inside at the top, meaning shorter lamps cannot be used)
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i cant stand the dam low energey bulbs in most places
only place i use em is in halls as there such horible light
epeciliy when trying to do anything
and the dam things gice me a megrain headache
i like doing models cant see shit right with them things
iv just stocked up good on the good old normal bulbs
I have even started to use them in my bench map - just whack in a 150W equiv, everything is well illuminated :y
The florescents/reflectors used in most offices cause me issues though :-/
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Lol, my pillar drill has one to!
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Its ok for you younguns with fully working eyes. Even specsavers said I was beyond help. ::) ;D
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haha could be worse, u caould have one of the fittings that only megamann GU10's fit in (the LE GU10's are longer than stand GU10's, and so these fittings had a fixed lamp holder at the bottom of the can, then a slight ridge on the inside at the top, meaning shorter lamps cannot be used)
Well, I now have the fittings with a floating base so anything fits. In the process of taking back the Megaman lights I discovered B&Q's own (didn't fit either but much cheaper and a good match ;D) so guess what I've got in there now? Their loss. ;)
Kevin