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Title: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: Turk on 15 November 2010, 02:04:40
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1329538/Police-told-send-text-messages-expensive-speak-radios.html
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 15 November 2010, 10:35:34
and thats because they all now have mobile phones and were probably given them free as part of a deal where they were paid for during thier useage. :-/
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: Omega_Dan on 15 November 2010, 10:44:35
Its all well and good but the amount of times over the years i have missed or havent received a text off someone for whatever reason is many. I think it will create a breakdown of communication myself.
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 15 November 2010, 10:45:41
privatization..  >:(

finally they tied the hands of police..
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 15 November 2010, 10:50:31
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Its all well and good but the amount of times over the years i have missed or havent received a text off someone for whatever reason is many. I think it will create a breakdown of communication myself.

You can imagine the scene.

"chsn s/pct dwn infry rd,"
"R R R on to grn ln"
L L L o2 stel st"
"R R R o2 A1"
"s/pct doin 120 and hiting evry ting in is wy"
"OH SHIT POLAK!
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: The Red Baron on 15 November 2010, 10:52:44
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Its all well and good but the amount of times over the years i have missed or havent received a text off someone for whatever reason is many. I think it will create a breakdown of communication myself.

You can imagine the scene.

"chsn s/pct dwn infry rd,"
"R R R on to grn ln"
L L L o2 stel st"
"R R R o2 A1"
"s/pct doin 120 and hiting evry ting in is wy"
"OH SHIT POLAK!
;D ;D ;D very good.
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: Omega_Dan on 15 November 2010, 10:55:34
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Its all well and good but the amount of times over the years i have missed or havent received a text off someone for whatever reason is many. I think it will create a breakdown of communication myself.

You can imagine the scene.

"chsn s/pct dwn infry rd,"
"R R R on to grn ln"
L L L o2 stel st"
"R R R o2 A1"
"s/pct doin 120 and hiting evry ting in is wy"
"OH SHIT POLAK!
;D ;D ;D very good.

followed by -  y aint u txt me bck? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 15 November 2010, 11:24:20
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Its all well and good but the amount of times over the years i have missed or havent received a text off someone for whatever reason is many. I think it will create a breakdown of communication myself.

You can imagine the scene.

"chsn s/pct dwn infry rd,"
"R R R on to grn ln"
L L L o2 stel st"
"R R R o2 A1"
"s/pct doin 120 and hiting evry ting in is wy"
"OH SHIT POLAK!
;D ;D ;D very good.

followed by -  y aint u txt me bck? ;D ;D


Or the cheif constable in the control room "What did he say"
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: geoffr70 on 15 November 2010, 12:03:54
I think it's something to do with the new airwave system (radio and comms). the army had it about 7 years ago, fire brigade got it a few years back.

The idea is every emergency service can communicate across the country. There are talk groups set up for police, ambulance, fire, coast guard, everything, that is why all callsigns have changed to become nationally unique so there aren't two the same.

Airwave bills the user for every messasge received! I know i know it's bloody stupid! The cost to the public must be immense. At work, when the trucks aren't out we have to turn the radios on to standby mode so they don't receive messages and get charged for them! Silly public sector procurement!

The radios are like mobile phones in that you can send a text. the good(or bad) thing about this is, the sender (boss) can see if the receiver(worker) has received the message or not.

Sending these 'texts' is cheaper than sending a message over the talkgroup as only one specified receiver would receive it, not everyone on the entire talk group, therefore there is only one charge, not hundreds for example.

As airwave is digital and alot more secure it's so much better in these times of increased threat.

I can't remember exactly how it works, but it's something to do with packets. The broadcasts can get broken down into smaller portions, somehow that means, more info can be sent on less!
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: Debs. on 15 November 2010, 12:42:34
"U R bangd 2 ritez"

"hoo U thnk U R, strlng mos?"

"hez gowink 4 D-cmp"

 ;D
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: CaptainZok on 15 November 2010, 13:00:16
Lo lo lo wts al ths thn?
Evni al.
 ;D
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 15 November 2010, 14:46:29
This is what this policy can lead to:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2635499/999-call-answered-with-police-text-saying-solve-it-yourself.html

 ::) ::) ::) ::) :(
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: zirk on 15 November 2010, 14:47:14
The report is misleading, their not being asked to send a text as such (SMS), their being asked to make more use of the SDM service (Short Data Message) in order to cut down on voice traffic.

The National Airwave Service is a Digital Tetra Radio Network allowing PTT radio calls as well Group and PSTN calls and short or long Data messages.

The SDM is a pre determined text message normally 1 to 16, ie, 1, will attend, 2, going to lunch, 3, back on duty etc, which gets flagged up as the original message in the Control Room, meaning simple every day messages can be sent with out setting up voice call traffic.

Each Airwave handset will be on a fixed monthly tariff to include voice calls with some sort of fair use policy attached to it, the SDM side of it will be extremely cheap if not free, so its obviously been monitored and found that everyone is yacking too much and not using the data side enough. The fair use policy would be there not so much as a money spinner but as a Network performance issue making sure that the radio channels are available for real emergencies.

Chris.



Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: albitz on 15 November 2010, 14:52:37
Sounds like they need to bring in some top flight procurement managers from the private sector. When Sainsburys etc. buy large amounts of a product from a supplier, they will constantly turn the screws on them to keep the price down. I suspect that there isnt enough of this happening in the public sector.
Could be the old backhanders/ jobs for the boys scenario is still alive and well.
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: Chris_H on 15 November 2010, 15:37:29
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Sounds like they need to bring in some top flight procurement managers from the private sector. When Sainsburys etc. buy large amounts of a product from a supplier, they will constantly turn the screws on them to keep the price down. I suspect that there isnt enough of this happening in the public sector.
Could be the old backhanders/ jobs for the boys scenario is still alive and well.
I don't think you can compare Airwave procurement to a Sainsburys deal Albs.  I know JS ask a lot of their suppliers but they don't usually define the product (quite  ;D) and take extraordinary steps to prevent anyone else getting or copying the product.  If you get my drift. ;)
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 15 November 2010, 16:02:34
This article is factually inaccurate.

Airwave won't respond or defend themselves as the network is part of Critical National Infrastructure and cleared to operate at Restricted level comms. All their staff are security cleared and the list of organisations allowed to use it is strictly controlled by HMG.

It uses TETRA technology which is very efficient and provides geographic coverage guarantees to their customers. The network is very secure from an encryption and physical resilience perspective. It also provides message receipt capability and offers an emergency button to enhance user safety.

Finally, the finances were subject to a Treasury Financial Select Committee investigation a couple of years back which it passed with flying colours. If you are interested the report can be downloaded from the National Audit office website as it's in the public domain.

More than enough said methinks.
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: albitz on 15 November 2010, 17:07:14
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This article is factually inaccurate.

Airwave won't respond or defend themselves as the network is part of Critical National Infrastructure and cleared to operate at Restricted level comms. All their staff are security cleared and the list of organisations allowed to use it is strictly controlled by HMG.

It uses TETRA technology which is very efficient and provides geographic coverage guarantees to their customers. The network is very secure from an encryption and physical resilience perspective. It also provides message receipt capability and offers an emergency button to enhance user safety.

Finally, the finances were subject to a Treasury Financial Select Committee investigation a couple of years back which it passed with flying colours. If you are interested the report can be downloaded from the National Audit office website as it's in the public domain.

More than enough said methinks.
Almost certainly a fiddle taking place then. :y ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: millwall on 15 November 2010, 18:10:55
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"U R bangd 2 ritez"

"hoo U thnk U R, strlng mos?"

"hez gowink 4 D-cmp"

 ;D
;D ;D can just imagine that  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Police told to use 'text'.
Post by: SJKOO01 on 15 November 2010, 19:30:01
I noticed that the Media didn't waste any time bring in the fact that their daughter has special needs, and needs looking after  >:( .  What does this have to do with the story, makes it sound like that had it been a couple without children then it would of been a fair comment from the Police.

Bloody media, don't waste anytime using any angle they can to milk a story!.

The artical should be about the fact about the text that was received by the victim, no matter who they were.  And why they feel let down by all.