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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: aaronjb on 15 November 2010, 13:28:25
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Clearly.. more civvies who believe it is their god given right to police the roads and enforce speed limits..
I bet these are the same people who do 40mph everywhere and get irate if you overtake them:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-11398087
(It was just on the news, so presumably there's a newer article.. but that one will do ;))
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It would be very interesting to find out how this stands in the eyes of the law. It states people have given points on there licence, does that mean I can report another motorist and they will receive points ?
Something wrong with this.
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It would be very interesting to find out how this stands in the eyes of the law. It states people have given points on there licence, does that mean I can report another motorist and they will receive points ?
Something wrong with this.
According to the news report on TV (BBC News) - if you're caught three times then the police pay you a visit and, yes, issue points/fine/etc..
It makes me want to take off my plates and drive around at speed just to p*ss them off .. but that would be childish :-[
I particularly liked the way the TV report showed them standing at the side of a dead straight road with no turnings/driveways/etc.. ;D
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But that does mean that the police are completly accepting the word of these people (member of public) and issueing points, surely that cannot be legal.
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But that does mean that the police are completly accepting the word of these people (member of public) and issueing points, surely that cannot be legal.
Well, they've been issued with some kind of combined camcorder & radar gun device that records both speed & video evidence.. which presumably is admissible in court; as long as they are 'certified' for that device (and as long as that device holds a valid calibration certificate and certification for use).
I'm betting Mr Loophole could get you off in two seconds flat, though..
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Is this not legalising vigilantes ? Surely if the public can be used for this purpose, then why not for "other" purposes.
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Is this not legalising vigilantes ? Surely if the public can be used for this purpose, then why not for "other" purposes.
That was my exact first thought when the piece came on TV.. it does seem like the start of a slippery slope - especially when the preceding article was about planned reductions in workforce in the Police & CPOs..
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Big Society. Do away with paid public employees and replace them with unpaid private individuals. Marvellous, think of the billions that can be saved.
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To get the public sympathy for the "its wrong to speed" they need to sort out speed limits, removing the daft ones (like the 50mph from here to Banbury, and the 50mph one from here to Buckingham).
I'm all for 30mph in built up areas, as long as not on a trunk road.
The R-souls who do 70 in 30/40 limits, well, you will never change their habits. They will always do that.
20mph zones, again I don't agree with. If parents and teachers got up off their fat, lazy asses, taught their kids the Green Cross Code, and didn't turn the road outside the school into a carpark so kids have to cross between cars, the old fashioned 30mph limit would not be an issue.
If stupid people get mown down because they are too busy texting, PSPing etc, well, at least they would degrade the gene pool further like their parents did.
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To get the public sympathy for the "its wrong to speed" they need to sort out speed limits, removing the daft ones (like the 50mph from here to Banbury, and the 50mph one from here to Buckingham).
I'm all for 30mph in built up areas, as long as not on a trunk road.
The R-souls who do 70 in 30/40 limits, well, you will never change their habits. They will always do that.
20mph zones, again I don't agree with. If parents and teachers got up off their fat, lazy asses, taught their kids the Green Cross Code, and didn't turn the road outside the school into a carpark so kids have to cross between cars, the old fashioned 30mph limit would not be an issue.
If stupid people get mown down because they are too busy texting, PSPing etc, well, at least they would degrade the gene pool further like their parents did.
Ditto to that.. what annoyed me the most about the 20 limit they put down my old 'main road' - complete with speed humps that were too tall for my car - was that the people who didn't pay any attention to the limit were almost invariably mothers in 4x4s with one child, doing 40mph down there because they were late for school!
Drove me nuts, and they used to overtake (wrong side of the road, over the speed limit) regularly as they could just float over the humps I had to practically stop for. >:(
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Big Society. Do away with paid public employees and replace them with unpaid private individuals. Marvellous, think of the billions that can be saved.
Get rid of the useless suits sat in South Northants Council offices, and replace them with useful people, like suited coppers. Specials if needs be. But don't waste resources on Hobby Bobbys.
For this debate, the Police have given local communities around here (temporary) equipment to catch speeders - I've had a letter from the Police as my car was caught speeding through a village (another silly limit, should be a 40, she tells me (she had the car that day) she was only just breaking limit, as it was a downhill section). That was 5yrs ago... ...guess media have just cottoned on to it.
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But that does mean that the police are completly accepting the word of these people (member of public) and issueing points, surely that cannot be legal.
Well, they've been issued with some kind of combined camcorder & radar gun device that records both speed & video evidence.. which presumably is admissible in court; as long as they are 'certified' for that device (and as long as that device holds a valid calibration certificate and certification for use).
I'm betting Mr Loophole could get you off in two seconds flat, though..
I agree Aaron, and I think the very loophole is that the equipment is not being operated by warrented police officers. This needs to be challenged in a court of law.
This is yet another attempt to reduce uniformed police numbers by cheap skate, substandard, methods using non-qualified personnel! >:( >:(
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It has nothing to do with the big society gimmick.I t ahs been happening for about 5 years. As said, Im sure a decent solicitor would take them apart if they tried to prosecute as a result of it. I dont think they do tbh,I thibk its a scare tactic for the gullible.
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It has nothing to do with the big society gimmick.I t ahs been happening for about 5 years. As said, Im sure a decent solicitor would take them apart if they tried to prosecute as a result of it. I dont think they do tbh,I thibk its a scare tactic for the gullible.
You should tell the BBC that, because that's what they were reporting it as being a part of earlier ;)
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So if I grass on all the to$$ers around here who drive off every evening with a phone clamped to their ear, will they get a visit from the feds too?
This is placing enforcement in the hands of the very people who should have nothing to do with it. Busybodies who have nothing better to do than get hung up on how everybody else should be behaving.
Just like politics - if you aspire to do the job, that should automatically disqualify you from doing so.
Kevin
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It has nothing to do with the big society gimmick.I t ahs been happening for about 5 years. As said, Im sure a decent solicitor would take them apart if they tried to prosecute as a result of it. I dont think they do tbh,I thibk its a scare tactic for the gullible.
You should tell the BBC that, because that's what they were reporting it as being a part of earlier ;)
They would though wouldnt they, it would suit their agenda to report it in that way. ;)
It has been happening in my local village for several years.
Funny thing is, one of the blokes who takes part is a car enthusiast who has a cobra replica as part of his collection. It wakes the bloody village up when he starts it on a Sun day morning. He does it because he likes to keep his nose in with the influential people in the area, tosser. ::)
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It has nothing to do with the big society gimmick.I t ahs been happening for about 5 years. As said, Im sure a decent solicitor would take them apart if they tried to prosecute as a result of it. I dont think they do tbh,I thibk its a scare tactic for the gullible.
You should tell the BBC that, because that's what they were reporting it as being a part of earlier ;)
They would though wouldnt they, it would suit their agenda to report it in that way. ;)
It has been happening in my local village for several years.
Funny thing is, one of the blokes who takes part is a car enthusiast who has a cobra replica as part of his collection. It wakes the bloody village up when he starts it on a Sun day morning. He does it because he likes to keep his nose in with the influential people in the area, tosser. ::)
Yep, considering they already reported on it in 2007, 2009 and 2010 (based on my searches) - in fact, the article I linked to was from years ago.
Recycling at it's finest! ;D
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Exactly - they reported it in 2007, before "the big society" had been dreamt up. Now they report it again - no doubt with a "big society/Tory cuts" slant to it. Privatise the barstewards - make them live in the real world.
I have also noticed that they keep banging on about " the cuts in the NHS" >:( >:(.............The NHS has been ring fenced, and index linked above inflation. What bloody cuts are they talking about ????
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jesus, never give ordinary people any authority, because, as others have said, these schemes are taken up by the worst - most of us are too busy to be bothered, plus its open to abuse :y
by ordinary, I mean thick ;)
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jesus, never give ordinary people any authority, because, as others have said, these schemes are taken up by the worst - most of us are too busy to be bothered, plus its open to abuse :y
by ordinary, I mean thick ;)
.. And, or polarised to the extent that one single issue is the only thing that matters in their limited view of the world. >:(
Kevin
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jesus, never give ordinary people any authority, because, as others have said, these schemes are taken up by the worst - most of us are too busy to be bothered, plus its open to abuse :y
by ordinary, I mean thick ;)
.. And, or polarised to the extent that one single issue is the only thing that matters in their limited view of the world. >:(
You mean the view that speed is the sole contributor to accidents & death rates? ;)
Thinking about it.. maybe we should all have a man with a red flag to walk in front of the car at all times ;)
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jesus, never give ordinary people any authority, because, as others have said, these schemes are taken up by the worst - most of us are too busy to be bothered, plus its open to abuse :y
by ordinary, I mean thick ;)
.. And, or polarised to the extent that one single issue is the only thing that matters in their limited view of the world. >:(
Kevin
well said, thats the most important issue in some peoples eyes, so asking these "speed limit fundamentalists" to police our roads is nuts >:(
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jesus, never give ordinary people any authority, because, as others have said, these schemes are taken up by the worst - most of us are too busy to be bothered, plus its open to abuse :y
by ordinary, I mean thick ;)
.. And, or polarised to the extent that one single issue is the only thing that matters in their limited view of the world. >:(
You mean the view that speed is the sole contributor to accidents & death rates? ;)
Thinking about it.. maybe we should all have a man with a red flag to walk in front of the car at all times ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D
besides, above 30mph humans cannot breathe :y :y
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as i understand it if the r-soles report you to the cops approx 5 times for speeding, then the cops will actively target you to catch you speeding and then AND only then can they give you points. i must admit i watched this in the news this morning before work and i had to turn the telly off or i would have needed a new one. >:(
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besides, above 30mph humans cannot breathe :y :y
Not so far from the truth in a Westfield. ;D
kevin
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I may lose friends on this one but I'll stick to my guns, sorry :-[
I would welcome this on my local road. It's a 20mph with speed bumps and quite rightly so, there are 2 schools and it is 99% residential with lots of kids that still play outdoors and is fantastic to see in today's society.
The problem is that forget 30, alot of vehicles on this road including small hgvs do nearly 40! I have seen a quad doing at least 50. It's not as if there is no police presence here, twice daily patrols of either MOD plod or MPs.
It is just a matter of time before a young child is seriously hurt or worse, so forgive me if I dont agree with everything posted above
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I may lose friends on this one but I'll stick to my guns, sorry :-[
I would welcome this on my local road. It's a 20mph with speed bumps and quite rightly so, there are 2 schools and it is 99% residential with lots of kids that still play outdoors and is fantastic to see in today's society.
The problem is that forget 30, alot of vehicles on this road including small hgvs do nearly 40! I have seen a quad doing at least 50. It's not as if there is no police presence here, twice daily patrols of either MOD plod or MPs.
It is just a matter of time before a young child is seriously hurt or worse, so forgive me if I dont agree with everything posted above
You are, of course, fully entitled to your opinion, howver wrong it may be which is as valid as any :y
My own view is that kids should be taught road safety, rather and pinning everything on drivers. Additionally, no speed limit will affect the prats doing 50mph in that environment.
As there are 2 schools in the road, perhaps all cars should be banned between 8-9am and 3-4:30pm...
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But how would the yummy mummys deliver their kids to school then? ::) :)
I come home from work in the mornings during the school rush hour. I have had quite a few near death experiences due to the seriously dangerous driving of the yummy mummys. Usually driving a 4x4 with a "child on board"sticker in the rear window. >:(
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I may lose friends on this one but I'll stick to my guns, sorry :-[
I would welcome this on my local road. It's a 20mph with speed bumps and quite rightly so, there are 2 schools and it is 99% residential with lots of kids that still play outdoors and is fantastic to see in today's society.
The problem is that forget 30, alot of vehicles on this road including small hgvs do nearly 40! I have seen a quad doing at least 50. It's not as if there is no police presence here, twice daily patrols of either MOD plod or MPs.
It is just a matter of time before a young child is seriously hurt or worse, so forgive me if I dont agree with everything posted above
You are, of course, fully entitled to your opinion, howver wrong it may be which is as valid as any :y
My own view is that kids should be taught road safety, rather and pinning everything on drivers. Additionally, no speed limit will affect the prats doing 50mph in that environment.
As there are 2 schools in the road, perhaps all cars should be banned between 8-9am and 3-4:30pm...
i agree with the road safety teaching. it was part of my education in primary school and it should be taught today. however the responsibility should not be entirely placed on young kids, teacher and parents either. it is a 2-way street and requires understanding on both sides.
Andy was taught a lot about road safety, he did his cycling proficiency and like me cycled everywhere as a kid. we were active young kids who kept out of trouble-ish. we certainly did not do anything dangerous on the road. yet despite all this you can do nothing about a young driver doing 80 in a 60 approaching a hump-backed bridge and not watching what was ahead of him. Now even if it was the 30 that it is now (thanks in large part to the late Gwyneth dunwoody) he may not have survived but the chances would have been better.
Do-gooders they may be but if you arent speeding what do you have to worry?
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I may lose friends on this one but I'll stick to my guns, sorry :-[
I would welcome this on my local road. It's a 20mph with speed bumps and quite rightly so, there are 2 schools and it is 99% residential with lots of kids that still play outdoors and is fantastic to see in today's society.
The problem is that forget 30, alot of vehicles on this road including small hgvs do nearly 40! I have seen a quad doing at least 50. It's not as if there is no police presence here, twice daily patrols of either MOD plod or MPs.
It is just a matter of time before a young child is seriously hurt or worse, so forgive me if I dont agree with everything posted above
You are, of course, fully entitled to your opinion, howver wrong it may be which is as valid as any :y
My own view is that kids should be taught road safety, rather and pinning everything on drivers. Additionally, no speed limit will affect the prats doing 50mph in that environment.
As there are 2 schools in the road, perhaps all cars should be banned between 8-9am and 3-4:30pm...
i agree with the road safety teaching. it was part of my education in primary school and it should be taught today. however the responsibility should not be entirely placed on young kids, teacher and parents either. it is a 2-way street and requires understanding on both sides.
Andy was taught a lot about road safety, he did his cycling proficiency and like me cycled everywhere as a kid. we were active young kids who kept out of trouble-ish. we certainly did not do anything dangerous on the road. yet despite all this you can do nothing about a young driver doing 80 in a 60 approaching a hump-backed bridge and not watching what was ahead of him. Now even if it was the 30 that it is now (thanks in large part to the late Gwyneth dunwoody) he may not have survived but the chances would have been better.
Do-gooders they may be but if you arent speeding what do you have to worry?
Bang on, my friend, bang on. But the current trend is to victimise drivers.
As I said earlier, you'll never stop the idiot who does 70 outside the school at letting out time.... ...these people think the rules do not apply to them. I am partially guilty, as I believe the daft rules shouldn't apply to anyone.
So that 2 way street must include common sense as well imho...
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I may lose friends on this one but I'll stick to my guns, sorry :-[
I would welcome this on my local road. It's a 20mph with speed bumps and quite rightly so, there are 2 schools and it is 99% residential with lots of kids that still play outdoors and is fantastic to see in today's society.
The problem is that forget 30, alot of vehicles on this road including small hgvs do nearly 40! I have seen a quad doing at least 50. It's not as if there is no police presence here, twice daily patrols of either MOD plod or MPs.
It is just a matter of time before a young child is seriously hurt or worse, so forgive me if I dont agree with everything posted above
You are, of course, fully entitled to your opinion, howver wrong it may be which is as valid as any :y
My own view is that kids should be taught road safety, rather and pinning everything on drivers. Additionally, no speed limit will affect the prats doing 50mph in that environment.
As there are 2 schools in the road, perhaps all cars should be banned between 8-9am and 3-4:30pm...
i agree with the road safety teaching. it was part of my education in primary school and it should be taught today. however the responsibility should not be entirely placed on young kids, teacher and parents either. it is a 2-way street and requires understanding on both sides.
Andy was taught a lot about road safety, he did his cycling proficiency and like me cycled everywhere as a kid. we were active young kids who kept out of trouble-ish. we certainly did not do anything dangerous on the road. yet despite all this you can do nothing about a young driver doing 80 in a 60 approaching a hump-backed bridge and not watching what was ahead of him. Now even if it was the 30 that it is now (thanks in large part to the late Gwyneth dunwoody) he may not have survived but the chances would have been better.
Do-gooders they may be but if you arent speeding what do you have to worry?
Bang on, my friend, bang on. But the current trend is to victimise drivers.
As I said earlier, you'll never stop the thingy who does 70 outside the school at letting out time.... ...these people think the rules do not apply to them. I am partially guilty, as I believe the daft rules shouldn't apply to anyone.
So that 2 way street must include common sense as well imho...
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