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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: albitz on 21 December 2010, 17:06:34
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He has been secretly recorded boasting to undercover reporters about his own personal agenda, on several matters, including how he has personally declared war on Murdochs empire and is very proud of blocking its completion of the purchase of BSKYB.
His integrity, judgement, credibility and objectivity as business secretary is in tatters, and imo he is finished.
Personally I never believed the hype. I always thought he was a dickhead
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Thought you were going to complain about your TV. ;D
But I don't disagree. That bloke is about as slippery as they come.
Kevin
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As a non fan of Murdoch anything to cut him down I like. Now THAT is a slippery person!
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I am not a fan of Murdoch either. But for the business secretary to be caught boasting that he has declared war on his empire, leaves his position untennable.
There is also the fact that if Cable stays, Murdoch will probably unleash the dogs of war on the Tories and Libs at the next election, after the Tories have spent so long wooing him back from Labour.
If anything is to be done about Murdochs undue influence on the British media, it wont be by Cable doing it behind everyones back and then boasting about it to pretty young undercover female reporters. ;)
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He's a prat of the first order. Self-important, vacuous shallow little man who during the election was shown up for the halfwit he is and ever since has done nothing except whinge and bitch. A plague on his houses!
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I still think the best answer to Murdoch is getting rid of him
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Although he has probably committed political suicide, he has undoubtedly echoed what many LibDems are feeling! ::) ::)
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Rumour has it he's gone.............
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Guido is running with this at the moment, yes. One can only hope it's true.
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Although he has probably committed political suicide, he has undoubtedly echoed what many LibDems are feeling! ::) ::)
True, but it just shows what a bunch of idiots they are imo. They are lucky enough to have some power. By a fluke , they have ended up having quite a share in govt. even though they are very much a minority party, yet dont seem able to accept the fact that they are in coalition and cant have it all their own way.
Cable has also boasted that he could bring down the govt. and if the Tories dont give him enough of what he wants he will walk, and do just that.
As KW says - as slippery as they come.
Just announced, he is staying in his job, but any decisions regarding Murdoch have been transferred to the culture secretary - what a rather shambles. Cameron should grow a spine and tell Clegg that Cable is history for the sake of the credibility of the govt.
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I never fancied him - believing him to be over-rated.
He seemed to be a man very much of the time during the worst days of the crunch but I suspected that he had little else in him.
He's certainly no statesman and in his recent prevarications he has, in my view, reinforced his Lib/Dem credentials.
On a sad note (and slightly off-topic I was saddened to learn of the death (on Sunday December 19th) of Tony Howard yet another old-school journalist.
Few today could match his style and measured analysis.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8212858/Anthony-Howard-dies.html
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Although he has probably committed political suicide, he has undoubtedly echoed what many LibDems are feeling! ::) ::)
True, but it just shows what a bunch of idiots they are imo. They are lucky enough to have some power. By a fluke , they have ended up having quite a share in govt. even though they are very much a minority party, yet dont seem able to accept the fact that they are in coalition and cant have it all their own way.
Cable has also boasted that he could bring down the govt. and if the Tories dont give him enough of what he wants he will walk, and do just that.
As KW says - as slippery as they come.
Just announced, he is staying in his job, but any decisions regarding Murdoch have been transferred to the culture secretary - what a rather shambles. Cameron should grow a spine and tell Clegg that Cable is history for the sake of the credibility of the govt.
Ridiculous, I agree with Albs. his position is untenable, and if the coalition is to retain credibility with the voters, they should 'resign' him. :-? :-? :-?
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I would echo your sentiments on Tony Howard, Zulu. He had a genuine depth of understanding of political issues which is almost impossible to find these days. :(
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Although he has probably committed political suicide, he has undoubtedly echoed what many LibDems are feeling! ::) ::)
True, but it just shows what a bunch of idiots they are imo. They are lucky enough to have some power. By a fluke , they have ended up having quite a share in govt. even though they are very much a minority party, yet dont seem able to accept the fact that they are in coalition and cant have it all their own way.
Cable has also boasted that he could bring down the govt. and if the Tories dont give him enough of what he wants he will walk, and do just that.
As KW says - as slippery as they come.
Just announced, he is staying in his job, but any decisions regarding Murdoch have been transferred to the culture secretary - what a rather shambles. Cameron should grow a spine and tell Clegg that Cable is history for the sake of the credibility of the govt.
Oh yes, indeed they are! ::) ::) ::)
They had a chance of being "something" at the top of British politics, but are now showing how weak and amateurish they are! The LibDems will be 'dead' at the next election! :D :D ;)
Of course Cable should go, like you cut out a desease in the human body, so he is a desease in the politics of the Government >:( >:(
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He's a prat of the first order. Self-important, vacuous shallow little man who during the election was shown up for the halfwit he is and ever since has done nothing except whinge and bitch. A plague on his houses!
Doesn't that just define a Politition???
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The wily old fox has now metamorphosised into a silly old goat :y
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The wily old fox has now metamorphosised into a silly old goat :y
Time for a sacrifice. ;)
Kevin
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No slagging off my Boss ;D
From what I understand on the updates the EU has given it the thumbs up, so it is now just down to Cable.
I personally don't have any shares in BSkyB, wish I did! They have gone up quite a bit, not sure what it would actually mean for me if it was bought out. Not a lot I suspect in my department.
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Cameron should grow a spine
I wish.
I'm a true blue Tory, a libertarian who believes in small goverment, honesty and integrity, and the ideals of true democracy.
I despised absolutely everything about Nu Labour and everything that they stood for and (failed) to achieve throughout their 13 years at the helm......
I don't see a great deal (so far) that has changed.
True Conservatives are only left with one clear choice on who to vote for come election day, and that isn't the party headed by Mr Cameron :(
Anyway, should Vince Cable go? Tricky one that. I think perhaps he should...... but he won't.
And if you do want slippery, may I present the dark lord himself, Peter Mandleson.
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And if you do want slippery, may I present the dark lord himself, Peter Mandleson.
I was speaking earlier about the sad death of Tony Howard (last Sunday) and happened to refer to a DT piece on it.
In summation reference was made last June to a comment by Tony in which he made this rather telling and very accurate observation during his review of Mandelson’s book;
Lord Mandelson may never have been a popular pin-up but until I watched him in that absurd television commercial, complete with cravat, smoking jacket and bogus library, I did not realise exactly what it was he reminded me of. He is destined, I'm afraid, to go down in history as the demon king of the British political pantomime – the kind of figure who, when we were young and innocent, we used to enjoy hissing off the stage.
Thanks to Daily Telegraph
I think little more need be said.
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so the old Lion has some teeth left, I agree with Lizzie - he's expressing off the record what most Libs are thinking - the most interesting aspect of the whole story is that Cameron obviously doesn't think the coalition government is strong enough to withstand the fallout if Cable was sacked, or he'd have gone by now.
The downside is Old Rupe may get what he wants because the govt will like to be seen to be bending over to accomodate the antipodean tax-dodger it may actually trigger the collapse of the coalition as furious LibDem backbenchers will see this as a step too far :y
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Cameron should grow a spine
I wish.
I'm a true blue Tory, a libertarian who believes in small goverment, honesty and integrity, and the ideals of true democracy.
I despised absolutely everything about Nu Labour and everything that they stood for and (failed) to achieve throughout their 13 years at the helm......
I don't see a great deal (so far) that has changed.
True Conservatives are only left with one clear choice on who to vote for come election day, and that isn't the party headed by Mr Cameron :(
Anyway, should Vince Cable go? Tricky one that. I think perhaps he should...... but he won't.
And if you do want slippery, may I present the dark lord himself, Peter Mandleson.
I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. :y :y
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Wishful thinking on your part imo Banjax. The Limpdems are dead in the water. Once this coalition is finished they will be farther into the political wilderness than they have been for many a long year.
The boy Miliband is a long way from being credible so far.
If anyone forces an election in the near future, I think the3 Tories would benifit greatly, but the message hasnt filtered through from the focus groups via the spin doctors to Cameron yet, so he is crapping himself. ;)
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Cameron should grow a spine
I wish.
I'm a true blue Tory, a libertarian who believes in small goverment, honesty and integrity, and the ideals of true democracy.
I despised absolutely everything about Nu Labour and everything that they stood for and (failed) to achieve throughout their 13 years at the helm......
I don't see a great deal (so far) that has changed.
True Conservatives are only left with one clear choice on who to vote for come election day, and that isn't the party headed by Mr Cameron :(
Anyway, should Vince Cable go? Tricky one that. I think perhaps he should...... but he won't.
And if you do want slippery, may I present the dark lord himself, Peter Mandleson.
I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. :y :y
I wouldnt describe myself as a true blue Tory exectly, but if the Tory party today resembled the party it used to be I would probably vote for them. As long as they were anti EU. ;)
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Wishful thinking on your part imo Banjax. The Limpdems are dead in the water. Once this coalition is finished they will be farther into the political wilderness than they have been for many a long year.
The boy Miliband is a long way from being credible so far.
If anyone forces an election in the near future, I think the3 Tories would benifit greatly, but the message hasnt filtered through from the focus groups via the spin doctors to Cameron yet, so he is crapping himself. ;)
Don't think so, Albs. Yes, you're right the LimpDems are dead in the water, but read the comments on Conservative Home and you'll see that Cameron is loathed and many are "threatening" to switch, or have indeed already switched, their allegiance to UKIP. As for Millipede, he has the charisma of an amoeba so, except in the tribal labour areas of the North East, they would fare badly if an election was to be held soon, with the BNP picking up disillusioned lab supporters. I think we're on the verge of a sea-change in Brtish politics. Maybe that's whey Cameron & Clegg want to hold on to 2015...but they won't. Mark my words. ;)
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Cameron is loathed by traditional Tories, but they do tend to be loyal to the party regardless, And he knows that. Which is why the cuts, so far have mainly affected "the squeezed middle".You and I can only hope that he pushes many of them beyond the breaking point of that loyalty, and into the arms of UKIP. :y
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Wishful thinking on your part imo Banjax. The Limpdems are dead in the water. Once this coalition is finished they will be farther into the political wilderness than they have been for many a long year.
The boy Miliband is a long way from being credible so far.
If anyone forces an election in the near future, I think the3 Tories would benifit greatly, but the message hasnt filtered through from the focus groups via the spin doctors to Cameron yet, so he is crapping himself. ;)
Don't think so, Albs. Yes, you're right the LimpDems are dead in the water, but read the comments on Conservative Home and you'll see that Cameron is loathed and many are "threatening" to switch, or have indeed already switched, their allegiance to UKIP. As for Millipede, he has the charisma of an amoeba so, except in the tribal labour areas of the North East, they would fare badly if an election was to be held soon, with the BNP picking up disillusioned lab supporters. I think we're on the verge of a sea-change in Brtish politics. Maybe that's whey Cameron & Clegg want to hold on to 2015...but they won't. Mark my words. ;)
It's the only way IMHO. I'm amazed more folk haven't seen the light.
Interesting fact. If the Conservatives had picked up 90% of the UKIP vote at the last general election, (highly likely if UKIP didn't exist), then there would be no need for the Con-Lib coalition.
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he's no longer in control....
http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/cable_s_future_in_doubt_over_news_corp_war
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Interesting fact. If the Conservatives had picked up 90% of the UKIP vote at the last general election, (highly likely if UKIP didn't exist), then there would be no need for the Con-Lib coalition.
It may be a moot point 6 as under the present leadership, that party is going nowhere.
Actually I don't think it matters a damn in the strategic sense such is the malign influence of not only the EU (in the day to day running of this country) but of the abysmal standards found in many of those who hold political office in or own 'Sovereign' parliament.
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I'm curious - did anyone privately or publicly think Cable wished Rupert Murdoch had greater control of BSkyB? because as far as I remember it was fairly common knowledge - so whats changed? a politician has a private meeting with two members of the public in which he expresses private views, now those 2 members turn out to be undercover journalists and hes stitched up like a kipper, so a politician with convictions who openly tells the truth and doesnt sit on the fence is pilloried - i would rather 10 Vince Cables in the cabinet than one Osborne frankly :o
we seem in this country to want to be ruled talentless drones with no opinion, no emotion, no independence just a corporate blancmange with one voice, one thought - its the Orwellian nightmare we were warned of in the 40's ;D ;D ;D
luckily for Cleggeron, Vince Cable is the only person in the LibDem party who detests Murdochs empire................no, wait a second.......... :y
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..... integrity, judgement, credibility and objectivity ......
Please provide evidence that these fine qualities are possessed by any other politician.
Brush and tarred spring to mind. ;D
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I'm curious - did anyone privately or publicly think Cable wished Rupert Murdoch had greater control of BSkyB? because as far as I remember it was fairly common knowledge - so whats changed? a politician has a private meeting with two members of the public in which he expresses private views, now those 2 members turn out to be undercover journalists and hes stitched up like a kipper, so a politician with convictions who openly tells the truth and doesnt sit on the fence is pilloried - i would rather 10 Vince Cables in the cabinet than one Osborne. :o
I don't think telling the truth (such as it is or indeed can be as there are few absolute truths) can be helpful on every occasion.
I think Cable slipped up because he was taken by the moment while in the company of these young women.
I think it was a fundamental lapse in judgement as one needs a different mind-set when in government where sometimes one's natural inclination to expound on the details of sensitive matters must be suppressed.
The truth such as it is (or can be) is a capricious beast as the majority of people can't deal with it or will try and judge it by their own standards whatever they may be - what was the line from that film with Jack Nicholson, "The truth?, you can't handle the truth", although I may be wrong with the precise wording of the quote.
I think we can see from the WikiLeaks episode that sometimes it's inadvisable to start revealing the 'truth' behind (in that case) the obfuscation of current diplomacy as the full effects of these revelations have still to be assessed so, by revealing his true feelings on the NewsCorp move on BSB, he simply revealed too much to people who were not privy to the details of what was a very important and sensitive issue then being considered by a government department.
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You make good points, Z but only error was revealing something everyone knew anyway to a couple of journos? i think he'll "go nuclear" after thinking about his future over Christmas - should provide some entertainment on the box for once at least ;D :y
oh and once again by popular request:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo[/media]
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You make good points, Z but only error was revealing something everyone knew anyway to a couple of journos? i think he'll "go nuclear" after thinking about his future over Christmas - should provide some entertainment on the box for once at least ;D :y
oh and once again by popular request:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
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That's the one BJ. 8-) :y
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Point is Bamjax - he is the business secretary.He should judge each business proposal of this type on its own merit, objectively and without prejudice, purely from a business viewpoint. He didnt and he got carried away by his own ego, by boasting about it in front of 2 pretty young girls. The Telegraph must have at least suspected that they would be the type who could loosen his tongue. Theres no fool like an old fool.
If the influence of Murdochs empire is to be looked at by the govt. it may be more within the remit of the culture secretary, who would then report to the whole cabinet and the PM.
He went way beyond, his powers in not only starting a secret one man war against Murdoch, but was then stupid enough to boast about it when he had a honey trap sprung on him.;
Its not about wether Murdoch is good or bad/ right or wrong, its about the fact that by any reasonable measure - Cable and his huge ego and poor judgement are not fit for high office.
I think Murdoch needs to be curtailed, but that doesnt excuse this egomaniac thinking that as soon as he gets a sniff of power he can take it upon himself to be judge, jury and executioner, with no due process.
He boasted to the 2 girls that he was having a war with Murdoch and was going to win. It looks like he was more wrong than he could possibly imagined.
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the decision will now be in the hands of the "H"ulture Secretary Jeremy *unt. a man who's publicly supported Murdoch and his empire.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hunt-ruling-will-be-open-to-legal-challenge-after-past-murdoch-support-2167512.html
so no conflict there then ;D ;D ;D ;D
interesting times.....how long will this shonky government last?
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More Lib Dems been "recorded " today.
Telegraph = Torygraf?
Could this be a Tory plot from the top to oust the Lib Dems or am I just too suspicious of everything nowadays!!
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More Lib Dems been "recorded " today.
Telegraph = Torygraf?
Could this be a Tory plot from the top to oust the Lib Dems or am I just too suspicious of everything nowadays!!
the Torygraph has never been happy with the coalition and breaking it up then forcing another election with the LibDems support destroyed would give the tories a shot at outright leadership.
You're wise to be suspicious ;D
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Seems like a good idea to me. :y the Tories arent much use, but the Limpdems are way beyond useless. ;)
I do agree btw, that the Torygraph is doing it for those reasons. :y