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Title: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Nickbat on 30 December 2010, 22:52:03
Eight of them!

My favourite:

"By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people ... If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000."

Dr. Paul Ehrlich, Speech at British Institute For Biology, September 1971.

Doh! ;) ;D

Yet the words of prophets of doom are still lapped up by the mainstream media. Take comfort in the fact that oft times, such so-called scientific brains can produce wonderful horse-sh*te.  ;)

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/30/botched-environmental-forecasts/ 
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Debs. on 30 December 2010, 22:58:55
I`m still waiting for personal "jet-packs" and "electricity, too cheap to meter"....... :D

......and if one`s forecasts fall-short, the old chestnut gets wheeled out:

"If only we`d known then, what we know now!" :P
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: albitz on 30 December 2010, 23:11:59
Im sure Banjax will soon be along to assure us that every word is true, but the right wing media are twisting the facts and quoting it all out of context. :y ::)
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 30 December 2010, 23:22:17
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I`m still waiting for personal "jet-packs" and "electricity, too cheap to meter"....... :D

......and if one`s forecasts fall-short, the old chestnut gets wheeled out:

"If only we`d known then, what we know now!" :P


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electricity, too cheap to meter


 ;D ;D ;D  Now that was a corker.  ;D ;D ;D :y


Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Banjax on 31 December 2010, 00:10:40
every word is true, but the right wing media are twisting the facts and quoting it all out of context.
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Nickbat on 31 December 2010, 00:12:58
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Im sure Banjax will soon be along to assure us that every word is true, but the right wing media are twisting the facts and quoting it all out of context. :y ::)

Bingo!! :y ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: albitz on 31 December 2010, 00:18:04
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every word is true, but the right wing media are twisting the facts and quoting it all out of context.


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Lioned on 31 December 2010, 00:28:08
It is very tempting,sometimes,to believe we live in a 'Hollywood' world of 007 and Tom Cruise,where clever Politicians and secret service agents protect us from the bad guys and 'comets' about to smash the Earth to bits.
Human beings will always relish the romantic notion of Hero's amongst us.
Just as parents will protect us as kids from the 'bogey men'

Just look at how accurate the weather forecasts are,yes,not very good,maybe get it right for tomorrowbut ask about next week,no chance.

Truth is they guess then add 20% tax and we pay.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 31 December 2010, 00:34:01
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every word is true, but the right wing media are twisting the facts and quoting it all out of context.



BJ is appearing all week by popular demand. ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: BigAl on 31 December 2010, 00:37:46
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It is very tempting,sometimes,to believe we live in a 'Hollywood' world of 007 and Tom Cruise,where clever Politicians and secret service agents protect us from the bad guys and 'comets' about to smash the Earth to bits.
Human beings will always relish the romantic notion of Hero's amongst us.
Just as parents will protect us as kids from the 'bogey men'

Just look at how accurate the weather forecasts are,yes,not very good,maybe get it right for tomorrowbut ask about next week,no chance.

Truth is they guess then add 20% tax and we pay.

Thanks.

Very deep. You should send that into the ‘Reader’s Digest’. They’ve got a page for people like you.
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Lioned on 31 December 2010, 00:50:36
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It is very tempting,sometimes,to believe we live in a 'Hollywood' world of 007 and Tom Cruise,where clever Politicians and secret service agents protect us from the bad guys and 'comets' about to smash the Earth to bits.
Human beings will always relish the romantic notion of Hero's amongst us.
Just as parents will protect us as kids from the 'bogey men'

Just look at how accurate the weather forecasts are,yes,not very good,maybe get it right for tomorrowbut ask about next week,no chance.

Truth is they guess then add 20% tax and we pay.

Thanks.

Very deep. You should send that into the ‘Reader’s Digest’. They’ve got a page for people like you.
Cheers.Will i get a prize..... :)

(i was born in Bromley Kent,by the by and not too far away now)
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Banjax on 31 December 2010, 08:59:19
here Nickbat, have some light Hogmanay reading - each of the 137 most used arguments by climate change sceptics....and why they are tripe - purely in the interests of being "fair and balanced" you understand, as I can't recall you ever mentioning something which didn't fit your argument - see if these plug the gap.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

 :y :y ;D
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Nickbat on 31 December 2010, 11:34:23
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here Nickbat, have some light Hogmanay reading - each of the 137 most used arguments by climate change sceptics....and why they are tripe - purely in the interests of being "fair and balanced" you understand, as I can't recall you ever mentioning something which didn't fit your argument - see if these plug the gap.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

 :y :y ;D


It makes for a good laugh with its twisted statements.

I haven't the time or inclination to go through them all, but #53 caught my eye: "Thick Arctic ice is in rapid retreat". It caught my eye particularly as I had just read this:

"Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Has Doubled In The Last Two Years - US Navy PIPS data"

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/12/31/area-of-thick-arctic-ice-has-doubled-in-the-last-two-years/

Incidentally, the link you provided is to a website set  up recently by the leading warmist activists who are rightly fearful that their house of cards is about to collapse.   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 31 December 2010, 12:20:16
So often science cannot predict what the future is as it studies and explains the 'now', but beyond that the very subject they discuss does not conform to their predictions.  They try to become almost sci-fi writers, but there is no power on earth, in even the largest most powerful computers that can calculate  the vagaries and uncertainties of nature.

An example is a factor I believe is the greatest threat to mankind; the super volcano. Forget global warming / cooling of the 'green' kind, the super volcano under Yellowstone Park in the United States when (not if) that releases its colossal power pent up power it will change the earth's environment for a very long time.  'When' it goes up is the question science cannot answer.  It could be next week, in a 100 years time, or in 6,000 years!  Scientist will try and predict with wonderful mathmatical calculations, but nature and God will decide and they cannot predict that, as they cannot predict much at all! In fact they think there are another 4 of these monsters, but again they cannot say when and how.  It is all semi-guess work::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 31 December 2010, 12:22:06
There is nothing environmentaly friendly about a car with a boot full of Lithium
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Banjax on 31 December 2010, 13:41:33
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here Nickbat, have some light Hogmanay reading - each of the 137 most used arguments by climate change sceptics....and why they are tripe - purely in the interests of being "fair and balanced" you understand, as I can't recall you ever mentioning something which didn't fit your argument - see if these plug the gap.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

 :y :y ;D


It makes for a good laugh with its twisted statements.

I haven't the time or inclination to go through them all, but #53 caught my eye: "Thick Arctic ice is in rapid retreat". It caught my eye particularly as I had just read this:

"Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Has Doubled In The Last Two Years - US Navy PIPS data"

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/12/31/area-of-thick-arctic-ice-has-doubled-in-the-last-two-years/

Incidentally, the link you provided is to a website set  up recently by the leading warmist activists who are rightly fearful that their house of cards is about to collapse.   ;) ;D

you're making a mistake common to a lot of deniers Nickbat, looking at individual years instead of the overall trend - its why you hear people scoff at global warming because its cold where they live - as usual the most blinkered and belligerent are the more interesting story - its far better if its a hoax than if its true, it has more traction, especially with the swivel-eyed. unfortunately for the debate its become a freedom from taxes issue and purloined by the powerful right wing lobbies especially in the states where they fear "the state" more than anyone.

you make a few interesting points, if i may quote you

"It makes for a good laugh with its twisted statements.

I haven't the time or inclination to go through them all
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well thats it in a nutshell isnt it - you're utterly typical of the sceptics in that you dont read anything other than what confirms your viewpoint, i on the other hand read widely....and come to a conclusion about the shouty ones on both sides and the cold hard facts in the middle - you seem to wish to close your eyes and put your fingers in your ears. I've still never read a scientist denying AGW who isn't being paid by an interested party when you scratch the surface.

Its a bee in your bonnet Nickbat, its not in mine - whether you accept whats happening or dont either way you will do little to effect the situation, neither by the way, will I  :y

I hope you're right Nickbat, I don't think you are tho  :(
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Nickbat on 31 December 2010, 13:58:52
BJ, just a few chosen nouns and adjectives from your post:

Denier
Blinkered
Belligerent
utterly typical
swivel-eyed
powerful right wing lobbies

terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired. Try scientific arguments instead of slurs.


"you dont read anything other than what confirms your viewpoint"

How do you know what I read?  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Banjax on 31 December 2010, 14:38:24
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BJ, just a few chosen nouns and adjectives from your post:

Denier
Blinkered
Belligerent
utterly typical
swivel-eyed
powerful right wing lobbies

terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired. Try scientific arguments instead of slurs.


"you dont read anything other than what confirms your viewpoint"

How do you know what I read?  ::) ::) ::)

because you pretty much link everything?  :o ;D


"terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired. Try scientific arguments instead of slurs."

indeed.
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 31 December 2010, 15:20:36
Nothing is black or white, there is a lot of grey in the middle, and as far as I am aware no-one knows a great deal in this world.  We have it all to learn, especially when it comes to the environment. ::) ::) ::) 
Title: Re: Botched environmental forecasts
Post by: Banjax on 31 December 2010, 16:36:22
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Nothing is black or white, there is a lot of grey in the middle, and as far as I am aware no-one knows a great deal in this world.  We have it all to learn, especially when it comes to the environment. ::) ::) ::) 

now them's wise words Liz, who was it said "no one knows anything" i feel he was right and everyone else by definition is wrong  :y