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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 30 December 2010, 18:27:03
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Apparently, all new boilers must, by law, be of the condensing type and, apparently, they are no good for cold weather. :o :o
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1342357/Central-heating-break-big-freeze-Heres-.html
Is this true? :-?
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Fitted properly (which rules out every CORGI, sorry Gas Safe, registered fitter I've come across), there are fine.
Its when they are fitted by retards (inc every CORGI Gas Safe technician I've come across, or who's work I've had to rectify) that problems occur.
If they read the fitting instructions, there would be no problem...
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Is this the vent pipe freezing issue?
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Apparently, all new boilers must, by law, be of the condensing type and, apparently, they are no good for cold weather. :o :o
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1342357/Central-heating-break-big-freeze-Heres-.html
Is this true? :-?
It got down to -8 here.. mine worked just fine ;)
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Fitted properly (which rules out every CORGI, sorry Gas Safe, registered fitter I've come across), there are fine.
Its when they are fitted by retards (inc every CORGI Gas Safe technician I've come across, or who's work I've had to rectify) that problems occur.
If they read the fitting instructions, there would be no problem...
Assume that you are refering to yourself as well then, as you have to be 'gas safe' registered to work legally on boilers ???? :-X
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Fitted properly (which rules out every CORGI, sorry Gas Safe, registered fitter I've come across), there are fine.
Its when they are fitted by retards (inc every CORGI Gas Safe technician I've come across, or who's work I've had to rectify) that problems occur.
If they read the fitting instructions, there would be no problem...
Assume that you are refering to yourself as well then, as you have to be 'gas safe' registered to work legally on boilers ???? :-X
That is a myth put about by the trade body, who's only aim is to protect it's members who can spell their names, and pay the body a wedge of cash every year. Shame the trade body isn't to actually police the abysmal workmanship of it members.
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Fitted properly (which rules out every CORGI, sorry Gas Safe, registered fitter I've come across), there are fine.
Its when they are fitted by retards (inc every CORGI Gas Safe technician I've come across, or who's work I've had to rectify) that problems occur.
If they read the fitting instructions, there would be no problem...
Assume that you are refering to yourself as well then, as you have to be 'gas safe' registered to work legally on boilers ???? :-X
That is a myth put about by the trade body, who's only aim is to protect it's members who can spell their names, and pay the body a wedge of cash every year. Shame the trade body isn't to actually police the abysmal workmanship of it members.
I agree with TB on this. I know several Gas Safe registered guys who work for a local council. I wouldn't let them light my stove let along touch my boiler!
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i found out last week i am now the only one in the flats with an emersion heater, everyone else has had new boilers fitted and the heaters removed. i should be next as my boiler broke down again when i came home monday
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i found out last week i am now the only one in the flats with an emersion heater, everyone else has had new boilers fitted and the heaters removed. i should be next as my boiler broke down again when i came home monday
I have a Potterton boiler, hence I would miss not having an immersion heater for when the boiler breaks (touch wood, been pretty reliable since I rebuilt half the PCB)...
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i found out last week i am now the only one in the flats with an emersion heater, everyone else has had new boilers fitted and the heaters removed. i should be next as my boiler broke down again when i came home monday
I have a Potterton boiler, hence I would miss not having an immersion heater for when the boiler breaks (touch wood, been pretty reliable since I rebuilt half the PCB)...
mine is and ideal classic boiler, not sure what make it is but i switch it off when i dont need the heating which is for about 8 months and just use emersion for water. only costs me about a tenner a week in electric then. i'm doing 25 a week in gas and electric at the moment
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I wish you lot would shut up about bloody boilers. I'm facing a hideous bill what with the pump & getting ripped off, it's costing a kings ransom in leccy to keep downstairs warm & i have to run the shower (more leccy) for 5/10 mins before i can brave it. Looking into grants & must check my home/contents ins.
I've started looking at empty properties in a completely different way!!!!!!!! ::)
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Has the pump gone in yours Guy?
Have a look here....
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313&_nkw=central+heating+pump&_sacat=See-All-Categories
... and change it yourself. I'll even talk you through it :y
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Has the pump gone in yours Guy?
Have a look here....
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313&_nkw=central+heating+pump&_sacat=See-All-Categories
... and change it yourself. I'll even talk you through it :y
An easy job if you can find the pump, I am dreading the day when ours go, it is hidden behind the wall, not sure where and there is no access panel, so will mean quite a mess.... :D :D
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Actually, I've just noticed that my boiler keeps losing pressure and appears to have developed a slight leak from the pump area. Could be the relief valve, which sits atop the pump, but I'm not sufficiently competent to get involved, so I guess a call to Vokera is in order (followed by a huge bill. :'( :'( )
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Mine's gone kapput bigstyle. The frost's split the boiler casings & the pump which at least is inline & accessible. It was on it's last legs anyway, had'nt had it checked in 8 years!!!! :o
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The frost's split the boiler casings & the pump
:o Oh, dear-Lord! :'(
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What is this central heating thing of which you all speak? ;D
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Is this the vent pipe freezing issue?
Apparently gas board have had hundreds of call outs regarding condensing boilers freezing, Had to get plastic pipe cut to stop the leak as it was frozen and was just returning back into system.
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Is this the vent pipe freezing issue?
Apparently gas board have had hundreds of call outs regarding condensing boilers freezing, Had to get plastic pipe cut to stop the leak as it was frozen and was just returning back into system.
.. so going back to the Op - is this a common or real rpoblem to be aware of with these types of boiler ? What's the solution - is there a specific fitting spec that avoids the problem ? :question
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Actually, I've just noticed that my boiler keeps losing pressure and appears to have developed a slight leak from the pump area. Could be the relief valve, which sits atop the pump, but I'm not sufficiently competent to get involved, so I guess a call to Vokera is in order (followed by a huge bill. :'( :'( )
If your leak is from a valve connection, it may just require a fitting tightening, but if the leak is via the relief valve outlet. it is almost certainly a piece of debris lodged under the valve seat. Operate the safety valve several times (it should have a lever to allow this) and this should flush the debris out. This is a very common fault. HTH
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Actually, I've just noticed that my boiler keeps losing pressure and appears to have developed a slight leak from the pump area. Could be the relief valve, which sits atop the pump, but I'm not sufficiently competent to get involved, so I guess a call to Vokera is in order (followed by a huge bill. :'( :'( )
If your leak is from a valve connection, it may just require a fitting tightening, but if the leak is via the relief valve outlet. it is almost certainly a piece of debris lodged under the valve seat. Operate the safety valve several times (it should have a lever to allow this) and this should flush the debris out. This is a very common fault. HTH
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Oooh, thanks! I'll try that tomorrow! :y :y
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Is this the vent pipe freezing issue?
Apparently gas board have had hundreds of call outs regarding condensing boilers freezing, Had to get plastic pipe cut to stop the leak as it was frozen and was just returning back into system.
.. so going back to the Op - is this a common or real rpoblem to be aware of with these types of boiler ? What's the solution - is there a specific fitting spec that avoids the problem ? :question
There is no specific issue with these, if fitted correctly, as per manufacturer's recommendations.
The issue is the (vast majority - I'm sure there must be a good one somewhere, though I've never seen one) fitters are wholly incompitent. That CORGI Gas Safe certificate doesn't mean that the fitter has any ability to fit a boiler, just that they can spell their name, and have paid the trade body an annual fee to spread lies and myths.
And there is only one reason CORGI changed to Gas Safe. CORGI fitters had such a bad reputation (utterly deserved). But a name change does not change anything.
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Its not just the manufacturers instructions, the regs state what has to be done to!
I to do my own, as the rules state you must prove 'compitence' and nothing more when working on a not for profit basis.
A recorded test of the system ticks that box and that certainly isnt rocket science. ;D
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Actually, I've just noticed that my boiler keeps losing pressure and appears to have developed a slight leak from the pump area. Could be the relief valve, which sits atop the pump, but I'm not sufficiently competent to get involved, so I guess a call to Vokera is in order (followed by a huge bill. :'( :'( )
If your leak is from a valve connection, it may just require a fitting tightening, but if the leak is via the relief valve outlet. it is almost certainly a piece of debris lodged under the valve seat. Operate the safety valve several times (it should have a lever to allow this) and this should flush the debris out. This is a very common fault. HTH
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Oooh, thanks! I'll try that tomorrow! :y :y
Well, I discovered the source of the leak. You can see the meniscus at the top of the pressure relief valve. Unfortunately, there is no lever to operate the valve and I am loathe to undo the "lid" (with the serrated edge) without further advice. :-?
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n270/v6nick/pressurevalve.gif)
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That is not a pressure relief valve, it is an automatic air vent. If leaking it is easy to change, just means a seal has gone in the vent. Any plumbers merchant will have them. :y :y :y
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That is not a pressure relief valve, it is an automatic air vent. If leaking it is easy to change, just means a seal has gone in the vent. Any plumbers merchant will have them. :y :y :y
Agreed. What you have inside that cylinder is a little float valve that opens the vent when the cylinder fills with air and, in theory, closes it when it starts filling with water. The float valve is just weeping a little in your case.
You can't just take the lid off or you'll have a gusher.
IIRC, you can normally rotate the whole body to isolate it for servicing without draining down the system.
Kevin
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On mine you can just remove and refit the AAV without loss of water. :y
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On mine you can just remove and refit the AAV without loss of water. :y
How does that work, then?
I should mention I've only come across the stand-alone ones that sit on the top of a 15mm pipe, and that was in my previous dwelling so memory might be a little vague. I'm sure on the one I had you could turn the cylinder about 1/4 of a turn in its' base to isolate it from the system.
In any case, not a difficult or expensive fix. :y
Kevin
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When the govt made condenser boilers the mandatory replacement for any other type of boiler, John Prescott promised that they would hugely reduce the cost of our fuel bills. Were still waiting John. >:( >:( >:(
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On mine you can just remove and refit the AAV without loss of water. :y
How does that work, then?
I should mention I've only come across the stand-alone ones that sit on the top of a 15mm pipe, and that was in my previous dwelling so memory might be a little vague. I'm sure on the one I had you could turn the cylinder about 1/4 of a turn in its' base to isolate it from the system.
In any case, not a difficult or expensive fix. :y
Kevin
Mine is similar Kevin, but even with a pressure leak from an AAV, it should still be possible to replace with very limited water loss due to the very small bore of the exit hole. :y
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Thanks Shakeng & Kevin. Being New Years Eve. I was unable to get any parts today, but I'll take a look at it after the holiday.
Great help, guys. :y :y
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Back on thread, it would appear that there was no mention of possible freezing of condensate pipes in the formal government installation guidance.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/12/scandal-emerges.html
:o :o
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On mine you can just remove and refit the AAV without loss of water. :y
How does that work, then?
I should mention I've only come across the stand-alone ones that sit on the top of a 15mm pipe, and that was in my previous dwelling so memory might be a little vague. I'm sure on the one I had you could turn the cylinder about 1/4 of a turn in its' base to isolate it from the system.
In any case, not a difficult or expensive fix. :y
Kevin
Pretty much all of them have a base which as the valve is unscrewed, a plug raises and seals the fitting off.
Even screwfix and BandQ sell them
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Back on thread, it would appear that there was no mention of possible freezing of condensate pipes in the formal government installation guidance.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/12/scandal-emerges.html
:o :o
Reading that (politically biased) blog shows that the author concedes that such details are in the regs, but the author's political views means that poor fitting by 'certified' (more accurately, registered) fitters is the government's fault, not that of the overseeing body (Gas Safe).
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Reading that (politically biased) blog shows that the author concedes that such details are in the regs, but the author's political views means that poor fitting by 'certified' (more accurately, registered) fitters is the government's fault, not that of the overseeing body (Gas Safe).
In some respects, though, it's the government's "light touch" ( = turn a blind eye as long as it's "only" the consumer getting shafted) regulation of such things that's at the root of the problem.
Yes, Gas Safe could do some regulating for the money they reap from their members, but nobody's there to hit them with a big stick so why would they?
Kevin