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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: tidla on 11 January 2011, 23:26:12
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two and a half years for slinging it off the top of a building.
what do you think?
made an example of or justified.
he could of killed, but didnt.
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Excessive, BUT........
He has removed a life saving piece of kit from somewhere and then used it with the intention of causing serious fear and potentially causing serious injury or death to people below.
I've changed my mind....... Justified.
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Ah yes, he could've killed but didn't. As soon as the extinguisher left his hands, he had no control over it. It's only down to luck that it didn't kill or seriously injure anyone. As far as he cares it could've killed someone. It' not good enough for people to say 'I didn't mean to kill/hurt anyone' or the like. He should've thought of that before he broke the law and threw and threw a deadly weapon off the roof.
It serves him right he's gone to jail and I hope he has a hard time.
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There is a limit and that was too far. He is going to spend a long time wondering if it was worth throwing it all away for.
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should have got longer set a propper example with any luck he will be locked up with the meanest poof on the wing :y
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Justified.
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should have got longer set a propper example with any luck he will be locked up with the meanest poof on the wing :y
You said what I was thinking!! ;D
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Justified.
Absolutely. It should be pretty obvious that chucking a fire extinguisher off a building into a relatively busy area is going to have the potential to kill.
I guess he won't have to worry about how to stump up his 9k a year. ;D
Kevin
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should have got longer set a propper example with any luck he will be locked up with the meanest poof on the wing :y
You said what I was thinking!! ;D
;D ;D i had a job of finding a diplomatic way of saying it i would of got banned for what i was going to put :D :D ;D ;D
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should have got longer set a propper example with any luck he will be locked up with the meanest poof on the wing :y
You said what I was thinking!! ;D
;D ;D i had a job of finding a diplomatic way of saying it i would of got banned for what i was going to put :D :D ;D ;D
Yep, I guess he'll be able to do a new trick with a fire extinguisher by the time he gets out. :-X
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two and a half years for slinging it off the top of a building.
what do you think?
made an example of or justified.
he could of killed, but didnt.
Justified, regardless of what he said about aiming at a clear area, he could have killed a number of people, and he should serve his time imho......
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never had a previous conviction.
how many "kids" have thrown a brick of a motorway bridge at a "car" not realising someone might be inside.
youth driving way out of control in his 1.1, inexperience tell him nothing of the possible consequences.
moment of madness?
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Justified.
Absolutely. It should be pretty obvious that chucking a fire extinguisher off a building into a relatively busy area is going to have the potential to kill.
I guess he won't have to worry about how to stump up his 9k a year. ;D
Kevin
yeah, the only thing he'll be studying is a pillow! ;D ;D ;D
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never had a previous conviction.
how many "kids" have thrown a brick of a motorway bridge at a "car" not realising someone might be inside.
youth driving way out of control in his 1.1, inexperience tell him nothing of the possible consequences.
moment of madness?
Are you defending him?.............
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Just a shame it is costing us all so much money to keep these idiots in a warm comfortable environment with satellite television, gaming consoles, tennis courts, pool tables, and paying the wages of prison guards who are now more like hoteliers rather than screws.
If I were opting for a 'Sun Holiday' I'd go for Layhill. Much better than Butlins, so I hear.
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hahaha glad they caught this idiot. the FE landed 2 feet from some coppers head.
id give him 7 years in jail and an annual public flogging :)
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how ironic the soapdodger better not drop the soap in the shower ;D ;D
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never had a previous conviction.
how many "kids" have thrown a brick of a motorway bridge at a "car" not realising someone might be inside.
youth driving way out of control in his 1.1, inexperience tell him nothing of the possible consequences.
moment of madness?
If anyone over the age of 3 throws a brick off a bridge at a car thinking nobody is inside, they should be placed in a totally different type of institution. Cars dont drive themselves on British Motorways. And that is a fact.
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Just a shame it is costing us all so much money to keep these idiots in a warm comfortable environment with satellite television, gaming consoles, tennis courts, pool tables, and paying the wages of prison guards who are now more like hoteliers rather than screws.
If I were opting for a 'Sun Holiday' I'd go for Layhill. Much better than Butlins, so I hear.
I do not know about Layhill, but point taken, something is sadly wrong..... :-X
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as he likes fire extinguishers so much send him to ford open prison at least there he can use one properly in the next riot ;D ;D
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never had a previous conviction.
how many "kids" have thrown a brick of a motorway bridge at a "car" not realising someone might be inside.
youth driving way out of control in his 1.1, inexperience tell him nothing of the possible consequences.
moment of madness?
It sounds like you are trying to justify it by saying that other people commit wrongs so it's ok for him to?
A 'kid' throwing a brick off a motorway bridge should get a bloody good hiding off their dad (if they aren't a bastard) and then go to jail. For them to say they didn't realise someone might be inside is bloody ridiculous - I've never seen a car drive itself down the motorway.
Previous convictions matter not when it comes to something as serious as this.
People need to accept personal responsibility in this country.
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never had a previous conviction.
how many "kids" have thrown a brick of a motorway bridge at a "car" not realising someone might be inside.
youth driving way out of control in his 1.1, inexperience tell him nothing of the possible consequences.
moment of madness?
It sounds like you are trying to justify it by saying that other people commit wrongs so it's ok for him to?
A 'kid' throwing a brick off a motorway bridge should get a bloody good hiding off their dad (if they aren't a blank) and then go to jail. For them to say they didn't realise someone might be inside is bloody ridiculous - I've never seen a car drive itself down the motorway.
Previous convictions matter not when it comes to something as serious as this.
People need to accept personal responsibility in this country.
well said :y
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tapper888 wrote Yesterday at 23:51:
never had a previous conviction.
how many "kids" have thrown a brick of a motorway bridge at a "car" not realising someone might be inside.
youth driving way out of control in his 1.1, inexperience tell him nothing of the possible consequences.
moment of madness?
It sounds like you are trying to justify it by saying that other people commit wrongs so it's ok for him to?
A 'kid' throwing a brick off a motorway bridge should get a bloody good hiding off their dad (if they aren't a blank) and then go to jail. For them to say they didn't realise someone might be inside is bloody ridiculous - I've never seen a car drive itself down the motorway.
Previous convictions matter not when it comes to something as serious as this.
People need to accept personal responsibility in this country.
yup, totally agree.
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I'll also add that a youth driving a 1.1 or a 2.2 or a 6.2 V8 KNOWS of the possible consequences, they just believe it happens to other people. The "I'm King Dick, I'm the best driver in the world" attitude only lasts as long as the first/second/third/ninth accident, depending on how completely stupid the youth is.
Hind sight is a wonderful thing. ;)
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never had a previous conviction.
how many "kids" have thrown a brick of a motorway bridge at a "car" not realising someone might be inside.
youth driving way out of control in his 1.1, inexperience tell him nothing of the possible consequences.
moment of madness?
Are you defending him?.............
what i am trying to say (badly) is that the true age of realisation is not as it is in law.
if a fifty year old male, established member of the community did it. straight forward. the age and experience would tell him otherwise.he would clearly know what he was doing without being influenced by the rantings or peer pressure of others.
what was the atmosphere on that roof?
had it been an incident at a local shopping car park out of the media spotlight, would it have been a different sentence?
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Maybe he really wanted to hurt someone. I don't think he did & at the time got carried away & saw it as a bit of horseplay, pick something up & throw it randomly. Regardless of any malicious intent or not he deserves his sentence & i admire his Mum for persuading him to confess. Intentional or not someone could have died or been crippled for life (i'd rather die)
He'll still be a young man when he get's out & i hope he learns from his actions. Guy.
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never had a previous conviction.
how many "kids" have thrown a brick of a motorway bridge at a "car" not realising someone might be inside.
youth driving way out of control in his 1.1, inexperience tell him nothing of the possible consequences.
moment of madness?
Are you defending him?.............
what i am trying to say (badly) is that the true age of realisation is not as it is in law.
if a fifty year old male, established member of the community did it. straight forward. the age and experience would tell him otherwise.he would clearly know what he was doing without being influenced by the rantings or peer pressure of others.
what was the atmosphere on that roof?
had it been an incident at a local shopping car park out of the media spotlight, would it have been a different sentence?
It could well have been a different sentence. It's no good saying 'what if'. What's happened has happened, and in the circumstances we have seen. there is no changing that. He should go to jail, do his sentence. Hopefully learn a lesson, then come out and be good.
And get a hair cut.
Oh, and a wash, the soap dodger!
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In my opinion he should have been tried for attempted murder because that's exactly what it was. He got off very lightly! >:(
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no the sentance was not fair.
yes he could have killed someone [but he didnt]
if you drive at 40 in a 30 limit you get a fine you dont go to jail because you could have lost control and killed someone.
he is young and its going to ruin his life,whatever you think of students he was doing something with his life and trying to make something of himself.he hasnt been it trouble before and it appears that he has a very good family[i dont think i could have turned my kids in]
you read about scumbags who cheat/steal/mess with kids? beat old people up etc and they get less than this.
he has been made a example off .
i would like to state i dont agree with what he did.
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hahaha glad they caught this idiot. the FE landed 2 feet from some coppers head.
id give him 7 years in jail and an a*al public flogging :)
Then again what I would like to do to a lot of criminals that are draining this country is not allowed >:(
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If he's a good boy he'll be out in just over a year. I think he should do longer >:(
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If he's a good boy he'll be out in just over a year. I think he should do longer >:(
He will almost certainly be out early IMHO but he will have a record that will plague him for the rest of his life. That will count for a lot.
As for comparing his actions to exceeding speed limits... the probability of him killing someone was very high; possibly higher than if he'd discharged a shotgun at that range. Exceeding speed limits (and I'm not condoning that) generally has a far lower likelihood of injury, let alone death.
I think in the circumstances the punishment was about right.
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It's about the average for convictions of Violent Disorder (Public Order Act 1986) according to some of the recent case law (sentencing) I've been looking at.
Having been on the receiving end of the odd extinguisher, washing machine, refrigerator, CRT television and so on - dropped from height - I can say, quite reasonably in my view, that anyone deciding to employ these tactics has but one intention - to injure, intimidate or kill.
Otherwise why do it in the first place?
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If he's a good boy he'll be out in just over a year. I think he should do longer >:(
He will almost certainly be out early IMHO but he will have a record that will plague him for the rest of his life. That will count for a lot.
As for comparing his actions to exceeding speed limits... the probability of him killing someone was very high; possibly higher than if he'd discharged a shotgun at that range. Exceeding speed limits (and I'm not condoning that) generally has a far lower likelihood of injury, let alone death.
I think in the circumstances the punishment was about right.
Unfortunately not... Under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act it will be "Spent" after the set period. I don't know what it is but probably around 9 years at the most.
It will, however, make him (and hopefully his peers) think more about their actions :y
Was it too much... Not in my opinion.
Was he made an example of... Probably :y Just hope it works!
Let's put this in perspective... They are raising the maximum permitted fees to £9k per Annum... Once he joins the real world with a job, house, vehicle etc he'll meet tax increases all the time ;) Is he/are they going to riot every time there's an increase? University used to be for the gifted person to gain better qualifications (Doctor/Lawyer/Accountant etc), nowadays you can go and study Klingon FFS >:( >:(
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If he's a good boy he'll be out in just over a year. I think he should do longer >:(
He will almost certainly be out early IMHO but he will have a record that will plague him for the rest of his life. That will count for a lot.
As for comparing his actions to exceeding speed limits... the probability of him killing someone was very high; possibly higher than if he'd discharged a shotgun at that range. Exceeding speed limits (and I'm not condoning that) generally has a far lower likelihood of injury, let alone death.
I think in the circumstances the punishment was about right.
Unfortunately not... Under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act it will be "Spent" after the set period. I don't know what it is but probably around 9 years at the most.
It will, however, make him (and hopefully his peers) think more about their actions :y
Was it too much... Not in my opinion.
Was he made an example of... Probably :y Just hope it works!
Let's put this in perspective... They are raising the maximum permitted fees to £9k per Annum... Once he joins the real world with a job, house, vehicle etc he'll meet tax increases all the time ;) Is he/are they going to riot every time there's an increase? University used to be for the gifted person to gain better qualifications (Doctor/Lawyer/Accountant etc), nowadays you can go and study Klingon FFS >:( >:(
...and you can study from inside a prison!!!! He may yet get his fees paid!
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If he's a good boy he'll be out in just over a year. I think he should do longer >:(
He will almost certainly be out early IMHO but he will have a record that will plague him for the rest of his life. That will count for a lot.
As for comparing his actions to exceeding speed limits... the probability of him killing someone was very high; possibly higher than if he'd discharged a shotgun at that range. Exceeding speed limits (and I'm not condoning that) generally has a far lower likelihood of injury, let alone death.
I think in the circumstances the punishment was about right.
Unfortunately not... Under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act it will be "Spent" after the set period. I don't know what it is but probably around 9 years at the most.
It will, however, make him (and hopefully his peers) think more about their actions :y
Was it too much... Not in my opinion.
Was he made an example of... Probably :y Just hope it works!
Let's put this in perspective... They are raising the maximum permitted fees to £9k per Annum... Once he joins the real world with a job, house, vehicle etc he'll meet tax increases all the time ;) Is he/are they going to riot every time there's an increase? University used to be for the gifted person to gain better qualifications (Doctor/Lawyer/Accountant etc), nowadays you can go and study Klingon FFS >:( >:(
...and you can study from inside a prison!!!! He may yet get his fees paid!
Indeed... But that's a whole different discussion ;) ;)
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should have got longer set a propper example with any luck he will be locked up with the meanest poof on the wing :y
You said what I was thinking!! ;D
;D ;D i had a job of finding a diplomatic way of saying it i would of got banned for what i was going to put :D :D ;D ;D
Yep, I guess he'll be able to do a new trick with a fire extinguisher by the time he gets out. :-X
A bit of 'Now you see it, now you dont, sir?' ;D ;D
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The irony is that he'll get a free degree inside :-X
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99 times out of a 100 that fire extinguisher would have hit somebody,when you see how many hundreds of people were at that scene it was a miracle he wasn't looking at a murder charge.