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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 05 February 2011, 21:40:48
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I've just read this report from an Arctic expedition:
"The Arctic seems to be warming up. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers who sail the seas about Spitsbergen and the eastern Arctic, all point to a radical change in climatic conditions, and hitherto unheard-of high temperatures in that part of the earth's surface...
...Where formerly great masses of ice were found there are now often moraines, accumulations of earth and stones. At many points where glaciers formerly extended far into the sea they have entirely disappeared."
Will I need to grovel now before BJ, LZ Opti et al who have consistently said that the ice loss in the Arctic is unprecedented and proof of man-made global warming over the last 30 years? :o :o :o :'( :'(
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If you are starting to recognise the continually growing evidence that the climate is changing rapidly, with warming is one factor Nick, then I'm happy with that! :D :D :D :y :y
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I don't know, Nick. I don't disagree that there is evidence of climate change I don't believe that it is, however, the result of man made global warming.
It has happened before and will happen again.
Was the Ice Age the result of the dinosaurs driving too many cars ???
It could be a natural cycle and we should be concentrating our efforts into devising ways to live with it rather than ways to stop or slow it.
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No Nick, stick to your guns it's all a load of rowlocks! The earth has been warming & cooling over millenia & man's puny efforts at changing the climate show just how inflated the ego of the Human Race is! :y
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I don't know, Nick. I don't disagree that there is evidence of climate change I don't believe that it is, however, the result of man made global warming.
It has happened before and will happen again.
Was the Ice Age the result of the dinosaurs driving too many cars ???
It could be a natural cycle and we should be concentrating our efforts into devising ways to live with it rather than ways to stop or slow it.
i agree. will we all fit in guffers boat?
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I've just read this report from an Arctic expedition:
"The Arctic seems to be warming up. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers who sail the seas about Spitsbergen and the eastern Arctic, all point to a radical change in climatic conditions, and hitherto unheard-of high temperatures in that part of the earth's surface...
...Where formerly great masses of ice were found there are now often moraines, accumulations of earth and stones. At many points where glaciers formerly extended far into the sea they have entirely disappeared."
Will I need to grovel now before BJ, LZ Opti et al who have consistently said that the ice loss in the Arctic is unprecedented and proof of man-made global warming over the last 30 years? :o :o :o :'( :'(
I'm waiting for the punchline...Nick will never admit to being wrong..... ::) ::) ;)
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why is everyone so worried? Im sure I read somewhere that weve only a year to go and it all comes to an end in 2012 anyway ;D
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Phew! That was close shave! I didn't look closely enough.
The report was dated [size=18]1922[/size]! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf
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Sorry nickbat but you wouldn't be able to eat humble-pie..........................you'd choke on it.
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Sorry nickbat but you wouldn't be able to eat humble-pie..........................you'd choke on it.
Doubt if I'll need to. ;)
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I know it's a bit of a bu**er to the leftie warmists on here, but the global temperature at the end of Jan 2011 was the same as it was 30 years ago. Worse, it's headed South rather rapidly.
That global warming seemed such a neat theory, too. Shame. ;)
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Nickbat, as far as I see you start unusual ways ;D I start to think you are desperate ;D :y
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I know it's a bit of a bu**er to the leftie warmists on here, but the global temperature at the end of Jan 2011 was the same as it was 30 years ago. Worse, it's headed South rather rapidly.That global warming seemed such a neat theory, too. Shame. ;)
Got any links to that info Nick ? I am currently in discussion with a couple of mates who think my assertions on this subject, render me close to certifiable. ;) ::) ;D
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I know it's a bit of a bu**er to the leftie warmists on here, but the global temperature at the end of Jan 2011 was the same as it was 30 years ago. Worse, it's headed South rather rapidly.That global warming seemed such a neat theory, too. Shame. ;)
Got any links to that info Nick ? I am currently in discussion with a couple of mates who think my assertions on this subject, render me close to certifiable. ;) ::) ;D
But, of course, Albs.
http://www.heliogenic.net/2011/02/03/earth-the-same-temperature-now-as-30-years-ago-and-decreasing/
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Cheers. :y
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today I watched (after washing and waxing both cars in 2 celcius and shopping) national geographics DVD serials about space,stars, earth events etc, I clearly understand one subject.. Our lifetime is no more than a butterfly in comparison to nature,earth,space events ..
although some serious measurements/calculations can be made within that period, I do believe its not that easy to calculate exact long term effects when those parameters are so complex.. But its our responsibility to protect our world in every possible way for the next generations.. Regardless from endless debates and egoistic cost analysis of some..
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today I watched (after washing and waxing both cars in 2 celcius and shopping) national geographics DVD serials about space,stars, earth events etc, I clearly understand one subject.. Our lifetime is no more than a butterfly in comparison to nature,earth,space events ..
although some serious measurements/calculations can be made within that period, I do believe its not that easy to calculate exact long term effects when those parameters are so complex.. But its our responsibility to protect our world in every possible way for the next generations.. Regardless from endless debates and egoistic cost analysis of some..
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Completely agree with you on that Cem. :y Pollution of the seas,rivers,air and deforestation must be strictly monitered and controlled. Its a shame the whole subject has been hijacked by the warmists and will therefore undoubtedly be given less serious attention than it should. :(
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today I watched (after washing and waxing both cars in 2 celcius and shopping) national geographics DVD serials about space,stars, earth events etc, I clearly understand one subject.. Our lifetime is no more than a butterfly in comparison to nature,earth,space events ..
although some serious measurements/calculations can be made within that period, I do believe its not that easy to calculate exact long term effects when those parameters are so complex.. But its our responsibility to protect our world in every possible way for the next generations.. Regardless from endless debates and egoistic cost analysis of some..
I have no problem with those that truly wish to protect our environment; indeed, I applaud them. However, my grinding axe concerns the whole theory of man-made global warming by CO2. Apart from being a theory which appears to be unfalsifiable (which renders it unscientific), it is clearly being used as an instrument to de-industrialise the West, specifically the US, but also the UK and Europe. Legislation is put in place to prevent new power stations here, whilst China is building a new coal-powered station every week. Cem, it is not a debate about science (otherwise it would be conducted in a normal scientific manner). Rather it is a politically evangelist movement which will cause our children untold damage in the future. If global warming were true, a few centimetres (or even feet) of sea level rise would be easily addressed. If our economies were able to continue to grow, new cleaner sources of energy would be found. Without economic growth, stifled by "green" legislation, we are at the mercy of the elements and, given the current state of the solar cycles, it would not be pretty. Cold kills far more than warm. And that truly is a fact. I want a world for my children that is clean, free and happy - and that is why I bang on so much about subject so much, for I feel that we many are being hoodwinked into a future which is the reverse. :(
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glad to hear your are also sensible about the future that we will prepare for next generations.. :y
now just think about the nature equilibrium conditions and when we human kind demonstrate another forcing vector to this equilibrium.. it will shift to another state of equilibrium ;D
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I know it's a bit of a bu**er to the leftie warmists on here, but the global temperature at the end of Jan 2011 was the same as it was 30 years ago. Worse, it's headed South rather rapidly.That global warming seemed such a neat theory, too. Shame. ;)
Got any links to that info Nick ? I am currently in discussion with a couple of mates who think my assertions on this subject, render me close to certifiable. ;) ::) ;D
But, of course, Albs.
http://www.heliogenic.net/2011/02/03/earth-the-same-temperature-now-as-30-years-ago-and-decreasing/
how does that graph show the temperature is the same now as it was 30 years ago Nickbat? If anything it looks like the graph starts at a point in '79 (january i guess) - and finishes at january 2011.........if thats the case your graph actually shows its now warmer at the same point in the relevant years (or at least the difference in temp is higher), which is certainly an odd argument for you to make - Albs was asking for proof that temperatures are the same, you've only gone and shown him an increase - lets hope he hasn't printed it out and taken it down the pub, better yet, lets hope he didnt place a cheeky wager on winning the argument :-? :o
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how does that graph show the temperature is the same now as it was 30 years ago Nickbat? If anything it looks like the graph starts at a point in '79 (january i guess) - and finishes at january 2011.........if thats the case your graph actually shows its now warmer at the same point in the relevant years (or at least the difference in temp is higher), which is certainly an odd argument for you to make - Albs was asking for proof that temperatures are the same, you've only gone and shown him an increase - lets hope he hasn't printed it out and taken it down the pub, better yet, lets hope he didnt place a cheeky wager on winning the argument :-? :o
In January 1981, the anomaly was about 0.00, now, thirty years later in 2011, it is -0.01. Thus, the statement that the temperature is the same as 30 years ago is correct. Can't you read graphs? ::) ::)
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Phew! That was close shave! I didn't look closely enough.
The report was dated [size=18]1922[/size]! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf
Ok, here we go again on one side arguing against the other on the subject of climate change and warming! ::) ::) ::)
!922 was only 89 years ago Nick; a mere blink in the eye of the Earth's existence. 1922 was post the British Industrial Revolution, and the start of mankind pumping out CO2 like there was no tomorrow; in fact then "tomorrow" was an irrelevance as man ruled nature as it had nature firmly under control. Masters of the Universe "we" were.
1922 was also pre-the world's population arriving at 6 billion, and China joining the industrial club requiring far greater degrees of energy, and pushing out ever increasing amounts of CO2.
1922 was a year when the effects of mans activity was obviously noticed by those very knowledgeable about their Arctic environment, and were concerned enough to mention the changes being observed that were extraordinary. 89 years later the vast majority of environmental scientists are again very concerned about the rapid changes, and dramatic weather events transpiring at an increasing rate. From 1922 to 2011 nothing has improved, and this world is heading for a population of 9 billion by 2050, so it is clearly rational to believe a world society of that number will create even greater changes to our surroundings. Just living as organic creatures will create far greater demands on nature, let alone mankind's desire for energy to power an ever increasing electromechanical existence that will keep the factories working overtime, and polluting the atmosphere.
1922 was obviously your joke Nick, but actually it reveals how this World is on a path of change that will accelerate, and mankind really must bring its effects on this in line, as since 1922 little has been achieved in the vast scheme of things. I just hope that man will make the right decisions to ensure 2022 or 2122 is witnessed! ;) ;)
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I don't know, Nick. I don't disagree that there is evidence of climate change I don't believe that it is, however, the result of man made global warming.
It has happened before and will happen again.
Was the Ice Age the result of the dinosaurs driving too many cars ???
It could be a natural cycle and we should be concentrating our efforts into devising ways to live with it rather than ways to stop or slow it.
i agree. will we all fit in guffers boat?
We will if there's pie. ;D
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1922 was obviously your joke Nick, but actually it reveals how this World is on a path of change that will accelerate, and mankind really must bring its effects on this in line, as since 1922 little has been achieved in the vast scheme of things. I just hope that man will make the right decisions to ensure 2022 or 2122 is witnessed! ;) ;)
What a complete non-sequitur! There's absolutely no way to associate carbon dioxide emissions with the lack of ice in the Arctic in 1922!!!! If it was the case, the Arctic ice would not have recovered, nor would we have entered a cool phase. The whole point is that we have been here before, without mankind's influence and that we will go there again. ::) ::) ::)
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how does that graph show the temperature is the same now as it was 30 years ago Nickbat? If anything it looks like the graph starts at a point in '79 (january i guess) - and finishes at january 2011.........if thats the case your graph actually shows its now warmer at the same point in the relevant years (or at least the difference in temp is higher), which is certainly an odd argument for you to make - Albs was asking for proof that temperatures are the same, you've only gone and shown him an increase - lets hope he hasn't printed it out and taken it down the pub, better yet, lets hope he didnt place a cheeky wager on winning the argument :-? :o
In January 1981, the anomaly was about 0.00, now, thirty years later in 2011, it is -0.01. Thus, the statement that the temperature is the same as 30 years ago is correct. Can't you read graphs? ::) ::)
to me, the graph shows a broad upward trend and its a very foolish argument to pluck any point at random fom a graph and extrapolate from that point - go back 2 years, or 10 or 50 or 1 or 8 or whatever - completely spurious i'm afraid - like most all denier arguments :y
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In January 1981, the anomaly was about 0.00, now, thirty years later in 2011, it is -0.01. Thus, the statement that the temperature is the same as 30 years ago is correct. Can't you read graphs? ::) ::)
While there remains justifiable debate on just what/who is responsible for these temperature variations - with the consequent effects on the eco-system/climate the way I read that graph is there appears to be a distinct move into the temperature positive band from 1999.
In terms of what is thought to be presently happening, perhaps we need more time to establish whether or not this positive move is a trend before introducing draconian legislation to try and arrest it – in the very unlikely event that we can.
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no need to be expert to read that graph , shift upwards easily visible but.. this is a very short period.. :-/
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here is another one
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/earthtemp.jpg)
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1922 was obviously your joke Nick, but actually it reveals how this World is on a path of change that will accelerate, and mankind really must bring its effects on this in line, as since 1922 little has been achieved in the vast scheme of things. I just hope that man will make the right decisions to ensure 2022 or 2122 is witnessed! ;) ;)
What a complete non-sequitur! There's absolutely no way to associate carbon dioxide emissions with the lack of ice in the Arctic in 1922!!!! If it was the case, the Arctic ice would not have recovered, nor would we have entered a cool phase. The whole point is that we have been here before, without mankind's influence and that we will go there again. ::) ::) ::)
1922, 1942, or 2002, it makes no difference Nick. In history events can be accumulative over a great length of time with change at first showing, then disappearing, but then emerging later as the cause and effects continue. Like someone smoking, with no concernable harm being done, until a slight shortage of breath and tightening of the skin appears. But then all goes and everything seems fine, until that day when the accumulative affect results in full bloodied cancer.
That is what is happening to the World Nick. You are just taking snapshots continually, all out of context, like your (joke haha) of bringing up 1922, or the latest statement by a climate sceptic on one simple flaw in a whole mass of scientific fact. I instead take the long term view of an historian, and that shows that ever increasing trend that the climate is changing, yes again as it has before, but never before suddenly become more rapid with a series of abnormal events around the world.
But no doubt you will continue to argue a different case as you have over countless of threads. As far as I am concerned it is better to be cautious and care for the environment as best as we can at this point in the 21st century. Your viewpoint is to carry on and do nothing, like the smoker who denies he will have any problems as many have done in the past. We ALL will eventually see what the outcome is if we are still alive, but at least on my side of the argument we have done something! What is the harm in doing that and being sensible?
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(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/alsana1.jpg)
from
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/features/200711_temptracker/
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No Nick, stick to your guns it's all a load of rowlocks! The earth has been warming & cooling over millenia & man's puny efforts at changing the climate show just how inflated the ego of the Human Race is! :y
amen to that !!!!
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I instead take the long term view of an historian, and that shows that ever increasing trend that the climate is changing, yes again as it has before, but never before suddenly become more rapid with a series of abnormal events around the world.
Of course, I am probably not worthy to doubt the word of an historian.
Perhaps you could do this mere mortal the pleasure of supplying me with factual data to back up your assertion that recent weather is, in any way, "abnormal" within the context of planet earth's history.
Many thanks in advance. :y
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I instead take the long term view of an historian, and that shows that ever increasing trend that the climate is changing, yes again as it has before, but never before suddenly become more rapid with a series of abnormal events around the world.
Of course, I am probably not worthy to doubt the word of an historian.
Perhaps you could do this mere mortal the pleasure of supplying me with factual data to back up your assertion that recent weather is, in any way, "abnormal" within the context of planet earth's history.
Many thanks in advance. :y
Do you know Nick I am just too tired of repeating myself and reading these repetitive threads over what seems like years to care anymore !! ::) ::) ::) ::)
You are of course right and everyone else is wrong ::) ::) ::) ::) So why am I wasting my time discussing this endless and pointless point on a car forum?
Whatever! It is far easier to just say that and move on! ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296953686
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296953686
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Indeed Entwood, this is one reason why the OOF has changed! :y :y :y :y :y
I know I am guilty of being too serious at times on historical matters, but this thread and its repetitive ilk is getting me down!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Back to lighter issues me thinks! :D :D :D :D :D ;)
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296953686
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Your point being? :o
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Is it just me or are repeat visits to global warming, for and against, getting just a tad repetitive?
At least the general membership can simply ignore the thread (with a wee hint from the header) but the admin team read all this - just to make sure that there is no name calling, race related, ageist, religious, colour or whatever issues.......................
Ho Hum....
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Is it just me or are repeat visits to global warming, for and against, getting just a tad repetitive?
At least the general membership can simply ignore the thread (with a wee hint from the header) but the admin team read all this - just to make sure that there is no name calling, race related, ageist, religious, colour or whatever issues.......................
Ho Hum....
No, you are absolutely right as usual Ht!! :y :y :y :y :y :y
I for one now promise never to post again on one of these 'Climate Change' threads! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;) ;)
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Is it just me or are repeat visits to global warming, for and against, getting just a tad repetitive?
At least the general membership can simply ignore the thread (with a wee hint from the header) but the admin team read all this - just to make sure that there is no name calling, race related, ageist, religious, colour or whatever issues.......................
Ho Hum....
Not just you... Think that was Entwood's point TBH.
Must admit, I generally ignore them now :y
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Funny that I ask LZ to supply a link or factual information to back up the assertions she's made and all I get is the "I'm bored of all this" response.
I challenged Opti the other day for a link or factual data to back up his claims about false statistics contained in the Horizon programme and I'm still waiting.
Why should I now be subjected to dismissive comments such as "You are right and everyone else is wrong"? Why should the thread be given the sad smiley as "proof" that discussion area has changed for the worse. I put climate in the title thread. If you don't want to read it, then don't.
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Funny that I ask LZ to supply a link or factual information to back up the assertions she's made and all I get is the "I'm bored of all this" response.
I challenged Opti the other day for a link or factual data to back up his claims about false statistics contained in the Horizon programme and I'm still waiting.
Why should I now be subjected to dismissive comments such as "You are right and everyone else is wrong"? Why should the thread be given the sad smiley as "proof" that discussion area has changed for the worse. I put climate in the title thread. If you don't want to read it, then don't.
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That is precisely my point.
The admin team DO read these posts, whether they interest them or not, for precisely the reasons I quoted in my post a couple up.
As said in Darths thread the other night, the forum is a changing entity.
Whether that is a change too far, in this politically correct time, is a subject for greater debate.
My personal point - which needs no further proof than my statement here and now - is that threads of this nature bore the absolute tits off me but I HAVE to read them. It does nothing for me personally, hence I seldom comment on them.....
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Whilst many in the membership ignore threads like this - which is fair enough, takes all sorts and all that - others find them interesting. (Including me)
I'm glad that Nick takes the time to highlight matters which, if ignored, may well have serious consequences for each and every one of us. :y
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Whilst many in the membership ignore threads like this - which is fair enough, takes all sorts and all that - others find them interesting. (Including me)
I'm glad that Nick takes the time to highlight matters which, if ignored, may well have serious consequences for each and every one of us. :y
count me in also..
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Whilst many in the membership ignore threads like this - which is fair enough, takes all sorts and all that - others find them interesting. (Including me)
I'm glad that Nick takes the time to highlight matters which, if ignored, may well have serious consequences for each and every one of us. :y
I concede to you point of view Z but would counter by saying.
This is a car forum which has a gendiss section where any and all subjects are a welcome discussion piece.
When that section regularly (dare I say repeatedly?) gets threads about a subject that only perhaps the same 4 posters reply on, chapter and verse, without any sign of swavering opinions (other than this one, initially....) is that condusive to the overall health of the forum?
My very personal opinion (and not that of an admin) is that climate change has been done to absolute death on here and its time for the combattants to retire to their respective corners and try to come up with something new and appealling to discuss....
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I can understand the admins , the nature of those debate threads can easy turn to headaches but we must accept one fact that when the fight starts ;D it takes the highest ratings of all times.. ;D I remember from past some threads continued for more than 30 pages :o :o and sometimes continues with childish races , but it was a pleasure imo.. ;D :)
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Didnt make sweden above minus 8 for a whole bloody month whilst i was fitting seats to a stadium though :( :( :(
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yeah, I'm bored of a debate where the toys fly out the pram at the merest hint of the words "delusional" "idiot" or "cherry-picked non scientific wibblings masquerading as scientific facts" too.
and on that basis - i say let Nickbat continue - no one reads the links anyway (oops.....sorry NB)...but err...good luck with the whole "conspiracy" thing mind :y
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Whilst many in the membership ignore threads like this - which is fair enough, takes all sorts and all that - others find them interesting. (Including me)
I'm glad that Nick takes the time to highlight matters which, if ignored, may well have serious consequences for each and every one of us. :y
I concede to you point of view Z but would counter by saying.
This is a car forum which has a gendiss section where any and all subjects are a welcome discussion piece.
When that section regularly (dare I say repeatedly?) gets threads about a subject that only perhaps the same 4 posters reply on, chapter and verse, without any sign of swavering opinions (other than this one, initially....) is that condusive to the overall health of the forum?
My very personal opinion (and not that of an admin) is that climate change has been done to absolute death on here and its time for the combattants to retire to their respective corners and try to come up with something new and appealling to discuss....
Yes I do empathise with you H. I have no doubt that many on the Forum take the work done by the admin/moderation team for granted.
This is an emotive subject for some but when these discussions begin to cause difficulty for those who cannot ignore them then I do agree that it's time to stop.
I'm more than happy to do so for the sake of harmony, freshness and the sanity of the moderators.
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.....I'm more than happy to do so for the sake of harmony, freshness and the sanity of the moderators.
Its not simply the sanity of the mods, although that does play a part. We appreciate that folks of different political and similar persuasions use OOF but, if you look back through the climate threads then, in general, its always the same folks who add in their thoughts and the threads are generally ignored by the remainder of the OOF rank and file as they are overpowered by the main posters.
Place yourself as one of the rank and file...
Cheez! ANOTHER climate thread. 'Kin Eck! ::)
Hopefully you see my point which, incidentally, is not meant as confrontational or that of a mod. Simply that of a long time OOFer making comment.... ;)
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Well I actually find these types of post by Nickbat refreshing, interesting and a breath of fresh air.
As for 'This is a car forum', there are lots of non car related issues debated and this was posted in the 'General Discussion Area'. If moderators who have to read every post are getting fed up, stop being a moderator (where do you get the time from anyway?)
With all due respect to people such as Lizzie, your arguments simply lack a factual basis. Wind turbines are not going to solve the problem of clean energy. Research the subject and you could have an interesting debate. If your not that bothered, don't reply to such threads.
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Well I actually find these types of post by Nickbat refreshing, interesting and a breath of fresh air.
As for 'This is a car forum', there are lots of non car related issues debated and this was posted in the 'General Discussion Area'. If moderators who have to read every post are getting fed up, stop being a moderator (where do you get the time from anyway?)
With all due respect to people such as Lizzie, your arguments simply lack a factual basis. Wind turbines are not going to solve the problem of clean energy. Research the subject and you could have an interesting debate. If your not that bothered, don't reply to such threads.
That would be dreadfully unfair on the deniers ;D
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.....I'm more than happy to do so for the sake of harmony, freshness and the sanity of the moderators.
Its not simply the sanity of the mods, although that does play a part. We appreciate that folks of different political and similar persuasions use OOF but, if you look back through the climate threads then, in general, its always the same folks who add in their thoughts and the threads are generally ignored by the remainder of the OOF rank and file as they are overpowered by the main posters.
Place yourself as one of the rank and file...
Cheez! ANOTHER climate thread. 'Kin Eck! ::)
Hopefully you see my point which, incidentally, is not meant as confrontational or that of a mod. Simply that of a long time OOFer making comment.... ;)
I didn't consider any of your remarks to be confrontational at all H and I do accept them for what they are - an honest opinion made without agenda on a matter which is causing some problems for the Forum in general
I'm a great believer in dealing with things before they get beyond the threshold of reason and, from that perspective, fully support your opinion and stance on this
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Well I actually find these types of post by Nickbat refreshing, interesting and a breath of fresh air.
As for 'This is a car forum', there are lots of non car related issues debated and this was posted in the 'General Discussion Area'. If moderators who have to read every post are getting fed up, stop being a moderator (where do you get the time from anyway?)
With all due respect to people such as Lizzie, your arguments simply lack a factual basis. Wind turbines are not going to solve the problem of clean energy. Research the subject and you could have an interesting debate. If your not that bothered, don't reply to such threads.
Howdoo Mike. Good to see you back. Was just discussing Drax somewhere else a short while ago. :y
Agree that the gendiss area is a sort of ;'anything goes' type place (within the forum guidelines) but the point I was clumsily trying to make was that global warming, to me, has been overdoone and its moved on somewhat from 'refreshing' to 'boring' in my eyes. That you have a different take on it, fine. :y
I further observed that its always the same small group of folks who post on said threads but seem to be overwhelmed by the more vociferous posters who seem keen to always have their voices/comments at the top of the pile.
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Well I actually find these types of post by Nickbat refreshing, interesting and a breath of fresh air.
As for 'This is a car forum', there are lots of non car related issues debated and this was posted in the 'General Discussion Area'. If moderators who have to read every post are getting fed up, stop being a moderator (where do you get the time from anyway?)
With all due respect to people such as Lizzie, your arguments simply lack a factual basis. Wind turbines are not going to solve the problem of clean energy. Research the subject and you could have an interesting debate. If your not that bothered, don't reply to such threads.
You have obviously not read through all the threads on this subject and digested what I have stated endlessly over many, many months, analysing and quoting experts in this field, but I note you are new to the site so how would you know?! ::) ::) ::) ::)
I do "bother", a word dream't up by Nick thank you!! It is clear that you cannot be bothered to even read a post on just the previous page ::) ::) This is what I said:
"Do you know Nick I am just too tired of repeating myself and reading these repetitive threads over what seems like years to care anymore !! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
You are of course right and everyone else is wrong Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes So why am I wasting my time discussing this endless and pointless point on a car forum?
Whatever! It is far easier to just say that and move on! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Wink"
But do not worry I AM tired of discussing the same old thing over and over again, with as Ht21 rightly points out nothing actually new being discussed and the same corners being held by the participants, so I will not be replying to such threads as you so kindly suggest!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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....You have obviously not read through all the threads on this subject and digested what I have stated endlessly over many, many months, analysing and quoting experts in this field, but I note you are new to the site so how would you know?! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Ms Zoom, I suggest that you look up the profile of Miked in the members list. Not that I condone seniority but would tactfully suggest that he has been arounf OOF for longer than your good self, quite possibly... ;)
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....You have obviously not read through all the threads on this subject and digested what I have stated endlessly over many, many months, analysing and quoting experts in this field, but I note you are new to the site so how would you know?! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Ms Zoom, I suggest that you look up the profile of Miked in the members list. Not that I condone seniority but would tactfully suggest that he has been arounf OOF for longer than your good self, quite possibly... ;)
Ok fine, but he has not obviously read all the 'Climate' threads to make such an observation! I do not remember him ever contributing to any / many! :D :D :D :D ;)
Sorry Ht, and I apologise to Miked, but if I am attacked then I do fight back like any strong women does! ::) ::) :D :D
This is another reason why I will stop all comment on 'Cliamate Change' threads with immediate effect. Feelings on this run far too strong, on a subject where each camp has its own entrenched views. ;) ;)
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I don't post very oftern so it may appear that I am new to the forum :-[
Working in the electricity industry, listening to the the wind, wave, sun fraternity can be rather frustrating.
Anyway, Drax is attempting to aid the UK into a low carbon economy (see our website re Biomass). What it means for me is some very interesting control system mods :y
Now if it would be of more interest to the folks on this forum, I could enter into an interesting discussion about my E320, stopping water leaks into the boot, CAN bus issues with ancillary lighting. Sticking heater control valves......... Its still a nice car though.
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Feelings on this run far too strong, on a subject where each camp has its own entrenched views. ;) ;)
Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with wanting to preserve our environment for our children, and our children's children.
Anyway, Omega 3.0 Elite Auto, nice machine, what fuel are you running it on? ::) I'm only getting 24 to 28 from my E320
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Guess what? I could'nt care less. Maybe i should but i don't. If it's ever going to go tits up which is debatable it won't affect me or anyone alive who is dear to me for a few generations yet so why should i or anyone else get bogged down with it? None of us will change the world.
If you are that bothered why are you driving Omegas? ::)
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Guess what? I could'nt care less. Maybe i should but i don't. If it's ever going to go tits up which is debatable it won't affect me or anyone alive who is dear to me for a few generations yet so why should i or anyone else get bogged down with it? None of us will change the world.
If you are that bothered why are you driving Omegas? ::)
And like it or not...I'm afraid I agree all the way :y
Call me selfish if you wish.....water off a ducks back :y