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Title: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: Auto Addict on 06 March 2011, 08:48:12
For about 10 years I've been paying for broadband through Tesco.net (I know - no comments please).

To solve my e-mail address problem, I've signed up to Tesco Broadband and Phone package, saving myself about £30 per month, with the added bonus of the fastest broadband I can receive in my area.

I was assured that I could keep my, and Mrs AA's e-mail addresses, so that solved a problem of not having to notify everyone in our address books of a change of e-mail address.

Thereby we have hit on a problem, as we have now signed up to tesco.com, different to tesco.net, we can receive e-mails through MS Outlook, but not send, to send we have to log onto tesco.net, and send e-mails from there, thus having no facility to forward or reply to e-mails from Outlook, most inconvenient!.

Bear with me, if I sign upto Gmail, which you can configure Outlook to send and receive, and I configure tesco.net to forward e-mails to gmail, then, in theory, we can reply to e-mails through Outlook, all be it the received e-mail will be from our tesco.net address, and the reply will be from our gmail address.

Can anyone see any problems with that please?

Title: Re: Eimail question - will this work?
Post by: Jimbob on 06 March 2011, 08:56:44
may even be easier than that....sure gmail have settings to pull in mail from other providers for you.
Title: Re: Eimail question - will this work?
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 06 March 2011, 09:02:53
Assuming tesco.com have an smtp server, why not configure outlook to send via tesco.com (smtp) and receive via tesco.net (pop3). Set your email addy within outlook to be your outlook.net, then it will appear your emails are coming from tesco.net, even tho they are being sent via tesco.com.

I do it all the time with my email address's  :y
Title: Re: Eimail question - will this work?
Post by: Auto Addict on 06 March 2011, 09:04:39
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Assuming tesco.com have an smtp server, why not configure outlook to send via tesco.com (smtp) and receive via tesco.net (pop3). Set your email addy within outlook to be your outlook.net, then it will appear your emails are coming from tesco.net, even tho they are being sent via tesco.com.

I do it all the time with my email address's  :y

That's the problem, they haven't can you believe? >:(
Title: Re: Eimail question - will this work?
Post by: Auto Addict on 06 March 2011, 09:06:37
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may even be easier than that....sure gmail have settings to pull in mail from other providers for you.

 The problem is sending, not receiving.
Title: Re: Eimail question - will this work?
Post by: Jimbob on 06 March 2011, 09:13:45
ive said it before, and ill say it again....I would get tesco out the equation completly

Get a gmail account, and tell everyone.

continue to receive tesco's, and on receipt of everything you want, tell them youve changed.  soon be free to use whatever isp you want in the future, with no email issues.

short term pain, long term gain.

ive done it, know many others have done it, its a natural progression from the 'old ways' of ISP based mail.

with Gmail and using IMAP not POP things get even easier, any of my devices see all my mail, read on one, and it auto gets marked read on them all, the lot access the server and its all sync'd
Title: Re: Eimail question - will this work?
Post by: Auto Addict on 06 March 2011, 09:24:20
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ive said it before, and ill say it again....I would get tesco out the equation completly

Get a gmail account, and tell everyone.

continue to receive tesco's, and on receipt of everything you want, tell them youve changed.  soon be free to use whatever isp you want in the future, with no email issues.

short term pain, long term gain.

ive done it, know many others have done it, its a natural progression from the 'old ways' of ISP based mail.

with Gmail and using IMAP not POP things get even easier, any of my devices see all my mail, read on one, and it auto gets marked read on them all, the lot access the server and its all sync'd

Got to agree, can't argue against it :y
Title: Re: Eimail question - will this work?
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 06 March 2011, 09:26:13
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Assuming tesco.com have an smtp server, why not configure outlook to send via tesco.com (smtp) and receive via tesco.net (pop3). Set your email addy within outlook to be your outlook.net, then it will appear your emails are coming from tesco.net, even tho they are being sent via tesco.com.

I do it all the time with my email address's  :y

That's the problem, they haven't can you believe? >:(

Actually, are you sure tesco.com doesnt use tesco.net...and tesco.net isnt just not working at the moment.....

Reason, i say....is i was just on tesco.com website....hovered mouse over internet services.....and the link pointed to tesco.net......however if i clicked on it i got 'page cannot be displayed'....  :-/
Title: Re: Eimail question - will this work?
Post by: Auto Addict on 06 March 2011, 09:30:32
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Assuming tesco.com have an smtp server, why not configure outlook to send via tesco.com (smtp) and receive via tesco.net (pop3). Set your email addy within outlook to be your outlook.net, then it will appear your emails are coming from tesco.net, even tho they are being sent via tesco.com.

I do it all the time with my email address's  :y

That's the problem, they haven't can you believe? >:(

Actually, are you sure tesco.com doesnt use tesco.net...and tesco.net isnt just not working at the moment.....

Reason, i say....is i was just on tesco.com website....hovered mouse over internet services.....and the link pointed to tesco.net......however if i clicked on it i got 'page cannot be displayed'....  :-/

No, checked with them, they have no exchange server.
Title: Re: Eimail question - will this work?
Post by: Auto Addict on 06 March 2011, 09:34:58
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Assuming tesco.com have an smtp server, why not configure outlook to send via tesco.com (smtp) and receive via tesco.net (pop3). Set your email addy within outlook to be your outlook.net, then it will appear your emails are coming from tesco.net, even tho they are being sent via tesco.com.

I do it all the time with my email address's  :y

That's the problem, they haven't can you believe? >:(

Actually, are you sure tesco.com doesnt use tesco.net...and tesco.net isnt just not working at the moment.....

Reason, i say....is i was just on tesco.com website....hovered mouse over internet services.....and the link pointed to tesco.net......however if i clicked on it i got 'page cannot be displayed'....  :-/

No, checked with them, they have no exchange server.

It's a problem they are working on, and will provide the service at a future date.
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: TheBoy on 06 March 2011, 09:57:27
Exchange server? No ISP would use Exchange Server due to costs.


As Jimbob says, I would take the ISP out of the equation completely, either by using the likes of Gmail, or getting your own domain, or a combination (you can get Gmail to handle mail for your domain). Slowly abandon the old email address.
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 06 March 2011, 10:12:17
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Exchange server? No ISP would use Exchange Server due to costs.


As Jimbob says, I would take the ISP out of the equation completely, either by using the likes of Gmail, or getting your own domain, or a combination (you can get Gmail to handle mail for your domain). Slowly abandon the old email address.

How about MrandMrsAAatacme.com  :y ;D  :D
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: Nickbat on 06 March 2011, 10:15:57
I read that here Tesco use the O2 web server:

http://forums.mobilefun.co.uk/topic/963-email-with-tesco-network/

Hope it's useful, AA.  :y
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: TheBoy on 06 March 2011, 10:17:12
Seem to recall that O2's smtp server can be used from anywhere if you use authentication.
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: Mysteryman on 06 March 2011, 10:21:17
All of this sounds jolly complicated. I signed uo for my @ btinternet.com ten years ago. Never felt the need to change it.
I've read about people getting cheaper internet deals, then saying how rubbish they are and can't wait to change back. These companies undercut each other on a regular basis and  you usually end up chasing your tail.


Same with gas and electricity.
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: Auto Addict on 06 March 2011, 10:36:25
I've read on a forum that you can change the outgoing to mailhost.zen.co.uk, would that work, keeping the same email address?
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: TheBoy on 06 March 2011, 12:54:45
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I've read on a forum that you can change the outgoing to mailhost.zen.co.uk, would that work, keeping the same email address?
I doubt Zen would allow a non Zen subscriber to use their smarthosts. Or any ISP for that matter.
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: Chris_H on 06 March 2011, 18:25:50
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For about 10 years I've been paying for broadband through Tesco.net (I know - no comments please).

To solve my e-mail address problem, I've signed up to Tesco Broadband and Phone package, saving myself about £30 per month, with the added bonus of the fastest broadband I can receive in my area.

I was assured that I could keep my, and Mrs AA's e-mail addresses, so that solved a problem of not having to notify everyone in our address books of a change of e-mail address.

Thereby we have hit on a problem, as we have now signed up to tesco.com, different to tesco.net, we can receive e-mails through MS Outlook, but not send, to send we have to log onto tesco.net, and send e-mails from there, thus having no facility to forward or reply to e-mails from Outlook, most inconvenient!.

Bear with me, if I sign upto Gmail, which you can configure Outlook to send and receive, and I configure tesco.net to forward e-mails to gmail, then, in theory, we can reply to e-mails through Outlook, all be it the received e-mail will be from our tesco.net address, and the reply will be from our gmail address.

Can anyone see any problems with that please?

If gmail allow relaying then you should be able to send via them and configure LookOut to give your Tesco addy in the Reply-to field.  Only someone who reads the headers would know it didn't come from Tesco.
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: TheBoy on 06 March 2011, 18:54:21
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For about 10 years I've been paying for broadband through Tesco.net (I know - no comments please).

To solve my e-mail address problem, I've signed up to Tesco Broadband and Phone package, saving myself about £30 per month, with the added bonus of the fastest broadband I can receive in my area.

I was assured that I could keep my, and Mrs AA's e-mail addresses, so that solved a problem of not having to notify everyone in our address books of a change of e-mail address.

Thereby we have hit on a problem, as we have now signed up to tesco.com, different to tesco.net, we can receive e-mails through MS Outlook, but not send, to send we have to log onto tesco.net, and send e-mails from there, thus having no facility to forward or reply to e-mails from Outlook, most inconvenient!.

Bear with me, if I sign upto Gmail, which you can configure Outlook to send and receive, and I configure tesco.net to forward e-mails to gmail, then, in theory, we can reply to e-mails through Outlook, all be it the received e-mail will be from our tesco.net address, and the reply will be from our gmail address.

Can anyone see any problems with that please?

If gmail allow relaying then you should be able to send via them and configure LookOut to give your Tesco addy in the Reply-to field.  Only someone who reads the headers would know it didn't come from Tesco.
Some spam filters are getting a bit anxious when they see mail from: and reply-to: not matching.
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 06 March 2011, 19:03:58
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For about 10 years I've been paying for broadband through Tesco.net (I know - no comments please).

To solve my e-mail address problem, I've signed up to Tesco Broadband and Phone package, saving myself about £30 per month, with the added bonus of the fastest broadband I can receive in my area.

I was assured that I could keep my, and Mrs AA's e-mail addresses, so that solved a problem of not having to notify everyone in our address books of a change of e-mail address.

Thereby we have hit on a problem, as we have now signed up to tesco.com, different to tesco.net, we can receive e-mails through MS Outlook, but not send, to send we have to log onto tesco.net, and send e-mails from there, thus having no facility to forward or reply to e-mails from Outlook, most inconvenient!.

Bear with me, if I sign upto Gmail, which you can configure Outlook to send and receive, and I configure tesco.net to forward e-mails to gmail, then, in theory, we can reply to e-mails through Outlook, all be it the received e-mail will be from our tesco.net address, and the reply will be from our gmail address.

Can anyone see any problems with that please?

If gmail allow relaying then you should be able to send via them and configure LookOut to give your Tesco addy in the Reply-to field.  Only someone who reads the headers would know it didn't come from Tesco.
Some spam filters are getting a bit anxious when they see mail from: and reply-to: not matching.

I've not had a problem, as far as i know......wouldn't this would affect anyone with their own domainname who hasn't got their own email server  :-/
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: TheBoy on 06 March 2011, 19:12:44
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For about 10 years I've been paying for broadband through Tesco.net (I know - no comments please).

To solve my e-mail address problem, I've signed up to Tesco Broadband and Phone package, saving myself about £30 per month, with the added bonus of the fastest broadband I can receive in my area.

I was assured that I could keep my, and Mrs AA's e-mail addresses, so that solved a problem of not having to notify everyone in our address books of a change of e-mail address.

Thereby we have hit on a problem, as we have now signed up to tesco.com, different to tesco.net, we can receive e-mails through MS Outlook, but not send, to send we have to log onto tesco.net, and send e-mails from there, thus having no facility to forward or reply to e-mails from Outlook, most inconvenient!.

Bear with me, if I sign upto Gmail, which you can configure Outlook to send and receive, and I configure tesco.net to forward e-mails to gmail, then, in theory, we can reply to e-mails through Outlook, all be it the received e-mail will be from our tesco.net address, and the reply will be from our gmail address.

Can anyone see any problems with that please?

If gmail allow relaying then you should be able to send via them and configure LookOut to give your Tesco addy in the Reply-to field.  Only someone who reads the headers would know it didn't come from Tesco.
Some spam filters are getting a bit anxious when they see mail from: and reply-to: not matching.

I've not had a problem, as far as i know......wouldn't this would affect anyone with their own domainname who hasn't got their own email server  :-/
It certain appears in the list of checks in some fiilters.

If you had a domain name, and used gmail, I'd be inclined to let google manage all your mail
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 06 March 2011, 19:36:09
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For about 10 years I've been paying for broadband through Tesco.net (I know - no comments please).

To solve my e-mail address problem, I've signed up to Tesco Broadband and Phone package, saving myself about £30 per month, with the added bonus of the fastest broadband I can receive in my area.

I was assured that I could keep my, and Mrs AA's e-mail addresses, so that solved a problem of not having to notify everyone in our address books of a change of e-mail address.

Thereby we have hit on a problem, as we have now signed up to tesco.com, different to tesco.net, we can receive e-mails through MS Outlook, but not send, to send we have to log onto tesco.net, and send e-mails from there, thus having no facility to forward or reply to e-mails from Outlook, most inconvenient!.

Bear with me, if I sign upto Gmail, which you can configure Outlook to send and receive, and I configure tesco.net to forward e-mails to gmail, then, in theory, we can reply to e-mails through Outlook, all be it the received e-mail will be from our tesco.net address, and the reply will be from our gmail address.

Can anyone see any problems with that please?

If gmail allow relaying then you should be able to send via them and configure LookOut to give your Tesco addy in the Reply-to field.  Only someone who reads the headers would know it didn't come from Tesco.
Some spam filters are getting a bit anxious when they see mail from: and reply-to: not matching.

I've not had a problem, as far as i know......wouldn't this would affect anyone with their own domainname who hasn't got their own email server  :-/
It certain appears in the list of checks in some fiilters.

If you had a domain name, and used gmail, I'd be inclined to let google manage all your mail

I let my isp handle my email....even tho my email addy goes out as my domainname......except when im out and about, then use voodoo as thats the 3G dongle i use  :)
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: Chris_H on 06 March 2011, 23:02:47
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For about 10 years I've been paying for broadband through Tesco.net (I know - no comments please).

To solve my e-mail address problem, I've signed up to Tesco Broadband and Phone package, saving myself about £30 per month, with the added bonus of the fastest broadband I can receive in my area.

I was assured that I could keep my, and Mrs AA's e-mail addresses, so that solved a problem of not having to notify everyone in our address books of a change of e-mail address.

Thereby we have hit on a problem, as we have now signed up to tesco.com, different to tesco.net, we can receive e-mails through MS Outlook, but not send, to send we have to log onto tesco.net, and send e-mails from there, thus having no facility to forward or reply to e-mails from Outlook, most inconvenient!.

Bear with me, if I sign upto Gmail, which you can configure Outlook to send and receive, and I configure tesco.net to forward e-mails to gmail, then, in theory, we can reply to e-mails through Outlook, all be it the received e-mail will be from our tesco.net address, and the reply will be from our gmail address.

Can anyone see any problems with that please?

If gmail allow relaying then you should be able to send via them and configure LookOut to give your Tesco addy in the Reply-to field.  Only someone who reads the headers would know it didn't come from Tesco.
Some spam filters are getting a bit anxious when they see mail from: and reply-to: not matching.
That doesn't surprise me.  There are some stupid policies being implemented by even some big players.  I know two btInternet.com users who don't get my emails (or so they say) ;D even though I get transfer status back from the receiving mail server.

And as for greylisting...  that's the most ridiculous response to spamming I can imagine.  Several NHS Trusts I have to send twice to if I want a delivery.  How does that help them? >:( >:(
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: TheBoy on 07 March 2011, 08:44:02
SPAM is a never ending fight, and always a compromise to fight.

But there will always be arseholes on the internet aiming for gullible people (of which there is a very high proportion), so things will only get worse.
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: dbug on 08 March 2011, 19:33:06
My incoming mail is from my domain hosts servers (POP3), outgoing throught my ISP's SMPT servers using my domain name - been like that for years without any issues.
Title: Re: E-mail question - will this work?
Post by: TheBoy on 08 March 2011, 20:09:10
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My incoming mail is from my domain hosts servers (POP3), outgoing throught my ISP's SMPT servers using my domain name - been like that for years without any issues.
Some ISPs allow outgoing SMTP from other domains, either based on IP, or authentication, or both.

Its all to easy to get on Spamhaus's blacklist, and an ISP has to make a several hundred pound donation to Spamhaus to be removed, with no guarantees about not going back on.

Hence, most ISPs are *very* cautious about relaying mail.