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Title: 0.0000000000000000000000000000001%
Post by: Banjax on 15 March 2011, 07:19:33
is the percentage of the timeline of the universe that life can exist - not human life, all life from single cells to whatever comes after us and beyond :o :o :o

so i guess......make the most of it  :y






(just finished watching episode 1 of wonders of the universe, ep 2 downloading - glad to see they've made it HD too  :y)
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Post by: mantagte on 15 March 2011, 09:38:28
says who
how do they know
any proof ;D
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Post by: mantahatch on 15 March 2011, 09:42:56
Makes humans pretty insignificant then  :y
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Post by: russ0205 on 15 March 2011, 09:45:59
You need to get out more,

 ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Post by: dad1uk on 15 March 2011, 09:51:17
I thought this was my payrise this year ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Nick W on 15 March 2011, 10:13:41
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You need to get out more,

 ::) ::) ::) ::)

Before your time runs out!
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Post by: jonnycool on 15 March 2011, 10:14:52
That was the second episode BJ
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Post by: albitz on 15 March 2011, 10:39:49
If you believe that as an absolute fact then your somewhat lower in intellect than the average viewer of midsomer murders.  ::) :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 0.0000000000000000000000000000001%
Post by: Banjax on 15 March 2011, 11:21:04
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If you believe that as an absolute fact then your somewhat lower in intellect than the average viewer of midsomer murders.  ::) :D ;D ;D


 ;D ;D

and in the lifetime of the universe no episode of midsomer murders will ever be surprising or thought-provoking  :y
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Post by: Banjax on 15 March 2011, 11:22:47
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That was the second episode BJ

havent watched the second episode yet, maybe he reiterates some points?  :o
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 15 March 2011, 13:47:44
The Andromeda spiral galaxy is roughly two and a half million light years from Earth. If we could travel at a speed very close to the speed of light (186,000 miles a second) we could reach it in about thirty (yes 30) years.... :y....Time travel into the future is a reality.... :y :y :y
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Post by: Mysteryman on 15 March 2011, 14:00:01
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The Andromeda spiral galaxy is roughly two and a half million light years from Earth. If we could travel at a speed very close to the speed of light (186,000 miles a second) we could reach it in about thirty (yes 30) years.... :y....Time travel into the future is a reality.... :y :y :y


Keep taking the pills , Opti. :y
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Post by: jonnycool on 15 March 2011, 14:03:19
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That was the second episode BJ

havent watched the second episode yet, maybe he reiterates some points?  :o
Ah, maybe he makes a bigger deal of it in the second one, or perhaps I watched 'em the wrong way round  :)
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 15 March 2011, 14:24:33
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The Andromeda spiral galaxy is roughly two and a half million light years from Earth. If we could travel at a speed very close to the speed of light (186,000 miles a second) we could reach it in about thirty (yes 30) years.... :y....Time travel into the future is a reality.... :y :y :y


Keep taking the pills , Opti. :y



With the return journey we are looking at   something in the region of  sixty years in total...... :y :y

To the people of Earth it would appear that you have been away for five million years ..... ;) 
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Post by: Banjax on 15 March 2011, 15:18:58
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The Andromeda spiral galaxy is roughly two and a half million light years from Earth. If we could travel at a speed very close to the speed of light (186,000 miles a second) we could reach it in about thirty (yes 30) years.... :y....Time travel into the future is a reality.... :y :y :y


Keep taking the pills , Opti. :y



With the return journey we are looking at   something in the region of  sixty years in total...... :y :y

To the people of Earth it would appear that you have been away for five million years ..... ;) 

if absence makes the heart grow fonder - you'd be fighting them off with a stick on your return  :y
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Post by: mantagte on 15 March 2011, 16:32:14
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The Andromeda spiral galaxy is roughly two and a half million light years from Earth. If we could travel at a speed very close to the speed of light (186,000 miles a second) we could reach it in about thirty (yes 30) years.... :y....Time travel into the future is a reality.... :y :y :y


Keep taking the pills , Opti. :y



With the return journey we are looking at   something in the region of  sixty years in total...... :y :y

To the people of Earth it would appear that you have been away for five million years ..... ;) 

Steve should we put your name on the top of the list of volunteers
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Post by: markfree on 15 March 2011, 17:13:28
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The Andromeda spiral galaxy is roughly two and a half million light years from Earth. If we could travel at a speed very close to the speed of light (186,000 miles a second) we could reach it in about thirty (yes 30) years.... :y....Time travel into the future is a reality.... :y :y :y

Errrr..............no..............it would take you...............2.5 million years  ::)
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 15 March 2011, 17:28:41
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The Andromeda spiral galaxy is roughly two and a half million light years from Earth. If we could travel at a speed very close to the speed of light (186,000 miles a second) we could reach it in about thirty (yes 30) years.... :y....Time travel into the future is a reality.... :y :y :y

Errrr..............no..............it would take you...............2.5 million years  ::)


Nope.....not quite. It would take 2.5million years for the people observing from the Earth . But only about thirty years for the people on the spaceship providing they can travel very close to the speed of light. At such velocity time slows down and almost stops. The clock on the spaceship will run MUCH SLOWER than the clock on the Earth.......Simple really... ;)
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Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 15 March 2011, 17:33:13
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is the percentage of the timeline of the universe that life can exist - not human life, all life from single cells to whatever comes after us and beyond :o :o :o

so i guess......make the most of it  :y




Well as the universe is reckoned to be in the order of 13.5 billion years old, with our solar system 4.5 billion years old, and life on earth...........well let's say 100 million years old, with humans just a few million years old, what figure is that percentage to be calculated on, and from when?

It can only be a theory, and I doubt, with all due respect to the 'Professor', can really be estimated on the little knowledge man knows to date :D :D ;) ;)   At what time were the atoms of the universe, that are the building blocks of the cells, originally created?  A crucial question in the calculation of life's "time line". ;) ;)
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Post by: albitz on 15 March 2011, 17:35:52
Can whoever is the first to travel forwards through time, please PM me next weekends lottery numbers, or even a future copy of the FT. Thankyou very much. :y ::) :D ;D
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Post by: Banjax on 15 March 2011, 19:47:13
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is the percentage of the timeline of the universe that life can exist - not human life, all life from single cells to whatever comes after us and beyond :o :o :o

so i guess......make the most of it  :y




Well as the universe is reckoned to be in the order of 13.5 billion years old, with our solar system 4.5 billion years old, and life on earth...........well let's say 100 million years old, with humans just a few million years old, what figure is that percentage to be calculated on, and from when?

It can only be a theory, and I doubt, with all due respect to the 'Professor', can really be estimated on the little knowledge man knows to date :D :D ;) ;)   At what time were the atoms of the universe, that are the building blocks of the cells, originally created?  A crucial question in the calculation of life's "time line". ;) ;)


not human life Liz - all life - we are an insignificant mark on the timeline as far as even just our planet, let alone the universe goes :( if the Big Bang was at 00:00hrs on 1st January, and now was a year later, then homo sapiens have been around since 23:54 on 31st Dec  :o, dinosaurs evolved around christmas day and only left yesterday (30th december), mammals evolved boxing day,birds on the 27th, flowers 28th and insects have been around since the 21st!! - we've barely had 6 minutes :y


carl sagans famous "cosmic calendar"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Calendar
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Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 15 March 2011, 19:57:43
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is the percentage of the timeline of the universe that life can exist - not human life, all life from single cells to whatever comes after us and beyond :o :o :o

so i guess......make the most of it  :y




Well as the universe is reckoned to be in the order of 13.5 billion years old, with our solar system 4.5 billion years old, and life on earth...........well let's say 100 million years old, with humans just a few million years old, what figure is that percentage to be calculated on, and from when?

It can only be a theory, and I doubt, with all due respect to the 'Professor', can really be estimated on the little knowledge man knows to date :D :D ;) ;)   At what time were the atoms of the universe, that are the building blocks of the cells, originally created?  A crucial question in the calculation of life's "time line". ;) ;)


not human life Liz - all life - we are an insignificant mark on the timeline as far as even just our planet, let alone the universe goes :( if the Big Bang was at 00:00hrs on 1st January, and now was a year later, then homo sapiens have been around since 23:54 on 31st Dec  :o, dinosaurs evolved around christmas day and only left yesterday (30th december), mammals evolved boxing day,birds on the 27th, flowers 28th and insects have been around since the 21st!! - we've barely had 6 minutes :y


carl sagans famous "cosmic calendar"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Calendar


Blimey BJ, you are beginning to sound like a Seventh-day Adventist!! :o :o :o :o

We know our (mankinds) existence can be measured in terms of the thickness of a postage stamp compared to a miles high pile of books representing the universe's existence, but all time scales are talked of in human terms.  God, or real times, on a completely different scale to our own exist that we cannot imagine.  Regardless of what measurements mankind likes to create, the universe runs on different laws and the end of time will be detirmined by those laws, not what some human scientist, regardless of how well versed, calculates using unproven data. ;) ;)
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Post by: markfree on 15 March 2011, 20:02:30
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The Andromeda spiral galaxy is roughly two and a half million light years from Earth. If we could travel at a speed very close to the speed of light (186,000 miles a second) we could reach it in about thirty (yes 30) years.... :y....Time travel into the future is a reality.... :y :y :y

Errrr..............no..............it would take you...............2.5 million years  ::)


Nope.....not quite. It would take 2.5million years for the people observing from the Earth . But only about thirty years for the people on the spaceship providing they can travel very close to the speed of light. At such velocity time slows down and almost stops. The clock on the spaceship will run MUCH SLOWER than the clock on the Earth.......Simple really... ;)

Nope........ if you could see the Andromeda galaxy thru a telescope you would be looking back in time approx 2.5 million years ago thats how long light has travelled to reach us...............it wouldn't be any different for a space-ship if it could travel that fast.
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Post by: Banjax on 15 March 2011, 20:04:23
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is the percentage of the timeline of the universe that life can exist - not human life, all life from single cells to whatever comes after us and beyond :o :o :o

so i guess......make the most of it  :y




Well as the universe is reckoned to be in the order of 13.5 billion years old, with our solar system 4.5 billion years old, and life on earth...........well let's say 100 million years old, with humans just a few million years old, what figure is that percentage to be calculated on, and from when?

It can only be a theory, and I doubt, with all due respect to the 'Professor', can really be estimated on the little knowledge man knows to date :D :D ;) ;)   At what time were the atoms of the universe, that are the building blocks of the cells, originally created?  A crucial question in the calculation of life's "time line". ;) ;)


not human life Liz - all life - we are an insignificant mark on the timeline as far as even just our planet, let alone the universe goes :( if the Big Bang was at 00:00hrs on 1st January, and now was a year later, then homo sapiens have been around since 23:54 on 31st Dec  :o, dinosaurs evolved around christmas day and only left yesterday (30th december), mammals evolved boxing day,birds on the 27th, flowers 28th and insects have been around since the 21st!! - we've barely had 6 minutes :y


carl sagans famous "cosmic calendar"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Calendar


Blimey BJ, you are beginning to sound like a Seventh-day Adventist!! :o :o :o :o

We know our (mankinds) existence can be measured in terms of the thickness of a postage stamp compared to a miles high pile of books representing the universe's existence, but all time scales are talked of in human terms.  God, or real times, on a completely different scale to our own exist that we cannot imagine.  Regardless of what measurements mankind likes to create, the universe runs on different laws and the end of time will be detirmined by those laws, not what some human scientist, regardless of how well versed, calculates using unproven data. ;) ;)


now a 7th day evangelist would have you believe that rather than 13.6 billion years it took the milky way to form, then our solar system and subsequently all life, the whole shebang took about 6 days (full scale)!!! presumably dinosaurs knocked around for a couple of days then died on Friday  ;D
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Post by: markfree on 15 March 2011, 20:04:42
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Can whoever is the first to travel forwards through time, please PM me next weekends lottery numbers, or even a future copy of the FT. Thankyou very much. :y ::) :D ;D

Or the cheltenham gold cup winner on friday  :y
Title: Re: 0.0000000000000000000000000000001%
Post by: Banjax on 15 March 2011, 20:06:30
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The Andromeda spiral galaxy is roughly two and a half million light years from Earth. If we could travel at a speed very close to the speed of light (186,000 miles a second) we could reach it in about thirty (yes 30) years.... :y....Time travel into the future is a reality.... :y :y :y

Errrr..............no..............it would take you...............2.5 million years  ::)


Nope.....not quite. It would take 2.5million years for the people observing from the Earth . But only about thirty years for the people on the spaceship providing they can travel very close to the speed of light. At such velocity time slows down and almost stops. The clock on the spaceship will run MUCH SLOWER than the clock on the Earth.......Simple really... ;)

Nope........ if you could see the Andromeda galaxy thru a telescope you would be looking back in time approx 2.5 million years ago thats how long light has travelled to reach us...............it wouldn't be any different for a space-ship if it could travel that fast.


Opti's quite right -  Einsteins general theory of Relativity - its all about where you are and how fast when observing  :y


there was an interesting experiment done using 2 synchronised atomic clocks, one remained on the ground, the other flew round the earth and returned to the same spot - the clock in the air was behind the clock on the runway when they compared them after the flight :o
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Post by: tidla on 15 March 2011, 21:43:07
being a thicky this was an interesting read.

a site i could understand.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/cship/timedial.html
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Post by: bigegg on 15 March 2011, 21:54:13
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Can whoever is the first to travel forwards through time, please PM me next weekends lottery numbers, or even a future copy of the FT. Thankyou very much. :y ::) :D ;D

Or the cheltenham gold cup winner on friday  :y

will do.
but you won't receive it 'til next week, cos forward time travel is easy, it backwards that's difficult
 :y
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Post by: tidla on 15 March 2011, 22:00:54
can you not send him a text..
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 15 March 2011, 23:55:10
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being a thicky this was an interesting read.

a site i could understand.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/cship/timedial.html


Excellent article......It shows you really have to travel VERY CLOSE to the speed of light in order to slow time significantly....... :y
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Post by: jonnycool on 16 March 2011, 08:07:47
Now that's interesting - Opti's a rocket scientist  :)

He is as smart as his avatar  :o
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Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 16 March 2011, 08:08:46
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Now that's interesting - Opti's a rocket scientist  :)


Is that the green stuff you eat? :-/ :-/

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Post by: Dishevelled Den on 16 March 2011, 08:52:14
All this speculation is based on our miniscule understanding of cosmology and associated sciences.

What if Einstein was wrong and we can travel faster than light speed?  This would significantly change how we view the cosmos and how things work within it.

The entire issue is so big, so complex and so beyond our understanding (based on the restraints of current science) that we merely postulate on what is presently possible and what may be possible as our knowledge improves of the unimaginable vastness that is space.

It is good to excercise the brain however - which is why I find these threads so interesting.
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Post by: Banjax on 16 March 2011, 09:08:48
fascinating stuff - its made me pick up the wifes old, battered copy of Carl Sagan's "Cosmos"  :y

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Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 16 March 2011, 09:34:42
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All this speculation is based on our miniscule understanding of cosmology and associated sciences.

What if Einstein was wrong and we can travel faster than light speed?  This would significantly change how we view the cosmos and how things work within it.

The entire issue is so big, so complex and so beyond our understanding (based on the restraints of current science) that we merely postulate on what is presently possible and what may be possible as our knowledge improves of the unimaginable vastness that is space.

It is good to excercise the brain however - which is why I find these threads so interesting.


All very true Zulu, and as I keep on saying "we", mankind, know nothing yet! :y :y :y 

We are still babes in arms, being nurtured by the great universe, and starting to learn about it's many facts. ;) ;)

In anycase we know we can travel faster than the speed of light.  Even the early Starship Enterprise got up among the lower warp speeds, so what will the future Starships accelerate to? :o :o :o :D :D :D ;)

Science fiction?  Well of course!! ::) ::) ::)  But what the human imagination produces today is totally possible some time in the distant future ;) ;) ;)  Absolutely nothing can be ruled out once the universe has taught us its facts.

ie 1960 in school all books and teachers claimed that light could only travel in straight lines and we believed it. :o :o :o :o

2011, we are used to light travelling, and being bent to travel, in all different directions! :D :D :D :D 8-) 8-) 8-)

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Post by: albitz on 16 March 2011, 09:53:32
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fascinating stuff - its made me pick up the wifes old, battered copy of The Peoples Friend  :y


Ive always found that a fascinating read myself. :y :D
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 March 2011, 10:24:38
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Now that's interesting - Opti's a rocket scientist  :)

He is as smart as his avatar  :o



Nope.....I is as "fick" as they come..... ;D ;D :D ;)
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Post by: albitz on 16 March 2011, 11:21:12
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is the percentage of the timeline of the universe that life can exist - not human life, all life from single cells to whatever comes after us and beyond :o :o :o

so i guess......make the most of it  :y






(just finished watching episode 1 of wonders of the universe, ep 2 downloading - glad to see they've made it HD too  :y)

So - you cant get enough of Cox then ? :y ::) :D ;D
http://dailymash.shotdeadinthehead.com/product_view.aspx?pid=2168
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Post by: Banjax on 16 March 2011, 12:05:59
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fascinating stuff - its made me pick up the wifes old, battered copy of The Peoples Friend  :y


Ive always found that a fascinating read myself. :y :D

I especially like the numerous letters you send them about your cats Albs  :y



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Post by: albitz on 16 March 2011, 12:12:36
They pay me fifteen shillings and sixpence for every one they publish. Paid for a weekend in Frinton on sea last autumn. ;) :D ;D
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Post by: Banjax on 16 March 2011, 12:15:55
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They pay me fifteen shillings and sixpence for every one they publish. Paid for a weekend in Frinton on sea last autumn. ;) :D ;D

and you still had money left over for the pictures and a poke of chips on the way home i'll bet ;)
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Post by: Dishevelled Den on 16 March 2011, 12:35:52
Quality quiping on the last 4 posts. 8-) :y
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 March 2011, 13:03:09
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All this speculation is based on our miniscule understanding of cosmology and associated sciences.

What if Einstein was wrong and we can travel faster than light speedThis would significantly change how we view the cosmos and how things work within it.

The entire issue is so big, so complex and so beyond our understanding (based on the restraints of current science) that we merely postulate on what is presently possible and what may be possible as our knowledge improves of the unimaginable vastness that is space.

It is good to excercise the brain however - which is why I find these threads so interesting.


I'm optimistic that new evidence will emerge from the Hadron Collider in the next decade or so Z.... :y :y
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 March 2011, 13:06:25
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They pay me fifteen shillings and sixpence for every one they publish. Paid for a weekend in Frinton on sea last autumn. ;) :D ;D

and you still had money left over for the pictures and a poke of chips on the way home i'll bet ;)



All together now.......Didn't we have a lovely time the day we went to Bangor.....(bang her?).... ::) ::) ;)
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Post by: Banjax on 16 March 2011, 16:40:37
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is the percentage of the timeline of the universe that life can exist - not human life, all life from single cells to whatever comes after us and beyond :o :o :o

so i guess......make the most of it  :y






(just finished watching episode 1 of wonders of the universe, ep 2 downloading - glad to see they've made it HD too  :y)

So - you cant get enough of Cox then ? :y ::) :D ;D
http://dailymash.shotdeadinthehead.com/product_view.aspx?pid=2168

with a name like Doctor Cox he should run an enlargement clinic and send e-mails to everyone  ;)


we doctor cocks at Dr Cox  ;D ;D


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Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 16 March 2011, 17:35:28
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They pay me fifteen shillings and sixpence for every one they publish. Paid for a weekend in Frinton on sea last autumn. ;) :D ;D

and you still had money left over for the pictures and a poke of chips on the way home i'll bet ;)



All together now.......Didn't we have a lovely time the day we went to Bangor.....(bang her?).... ::) ::) ;)


Well done Opti!!  I had forgotten that one, and I loved it at the time........I think I still do! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8WiPy1xSkw[/media]

 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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Post by: Dishevelled Den on 16 March 2011, 18:01:44
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I'm optimistic that new evidence will emerge from the Hadron Collider in the next decade or so Z.... :y :y


I would certainly hope so Opti - it would be nice too have some tangible science come from the project. :y
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Post by: tidla on 16 March 2011, 18:19:38
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All this speculation is based on our miniscule understanding of cosmology and associated sciences.

What if Einstein was wrong and we can travel faster than light speed?  This would significantly change how we view the cosmos and how things work within it.

The entire issue is so big, so complex and so beyond our understanding (based on the restraints of current science) that we merely postulate on what is presently possible and what may be possible as our knowledge improves of the unimaginable vastness that is space.

It is good to excercise the brain however - which is why I find these threads so interesting.

sounds like you pinched that line from star trek ;D