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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 June 2011, 01:08:49

Title: Legal Query....
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 June 2011, 01:08:49
I believe that in the eyes of the law, if someone gives you a cheque knowing full well that it will bounce, then that is fraud.....

What if someone gives you a cheque, leads you to believe all is well and then stops it? Is that fraud?

Thanks in advance to any Legal Eagles...  :y
Title: Re: Legal Query....
Post by: Plomien on 10 June 2011, 07:28:41
It is theft as they have received goods and not paid for it.
I had to deal with a similar case in work.
This is why chqs are being phased out just send a bill payment, most banks will do upto £10k for free anyway
Title: Re: Legal Query....
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 10 June 2011, 09:06:10
The reason given for the cheque being stopped is an operating factor in cases like these and can complicate the investigation of any allegations of criminal behaviour.

A legitimate trading dispute or a he said-she said situation can cloud the issue, particularly if the person ‘accused’ has no history of criminal behaviour.

The Fraud Act 2006 tidied up some of the more debatable parts of the Theft Act 1968 (and subsequent amendments) so Section 2, Fraud by false representation or Section 11 Obtaining services dishonestly may be of help.

The proof needed to indicate the mens rea (guilty mind) of the person accused of tendering the 'bad' cheque is another matter however – and one not always easy to establish short of an admission - although any factual evidence gained during the investigation, such as antecedent history for like offences or obvious evidence of a poorly conducted bank account (or absence of a bank account), can help to indicate a guilty mind.
Title: Re: Legal Query....
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 11 June 2011, 11:12:15
Thanks for the replies. As you probably guessed I have a financial dispute going on and your advice is very useful!!  :y :y :y
Title: Re: Legal Query....
Post by: Danny on 11 June 2011, 18:19:31
if something's been bought with a cheque, i'd never part with goods til the cheque's cleared
Title: Re: Legal Query....
Post by: STMO123 on 11 June 2011, 18:51:20
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if something's been bought with a cheque, i'd never part with goods til the cheque's cleared


Cheques are very dodgy. Even once cleared they can still be reneged on. I only ever use them when dealing with family or large companies.