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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 13 September 2011, 22:10:50
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There is much chatter in the blogosphere about Sarh Palin's Iowa speech. I must admit that she is one of the few and, possibly, the only prominent political person who identifies the real problems in the US (and, as it happens, here in the UK).
She rightly rails against crony capitalism:
Yeah, the permanent political class – they’re doing just fine. Ever notice how so many of them arrive in Washington, D.C. of modest means and then miraculously throughout the years they end up becoming very, very wealthy? Well, it’s because they derive power and their wealth from their access to our money – to taxpayer dollars. They use it to bail out their friends on Wall Street and their corporate cronies, and to reward campaign contributors, and to buy votes via earmarks. There is so much waste. And there is a name for this: It’s called corporate crony capitalism. This is not the capitalism of free men and free markets, of innovation and hard work and ethics, of sacrifice and of risk. No, this is the capitalism of connections and government bailouts and handouts, of waste and influence peddling and corporate welfare.
There's plenty more, too. She is against this endless quantitative easing, which has achieved nothing but increased inflation and sovereign debt. I think there is a real chance she could be the next president. On present form, I welcome the prospect - especially after Obama's dismal tenure.
Read about it here:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100104496/sarah-palin-totally-gets-it/#dsq-content
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Sarah Palin talking sense.. well, you could knock me down with a feather. ;D
She does appear to have hit the nail on the head.
Their novelty black president didn't shape up too well. Might as well go for broke with a novelty female president. ;)
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i'm sorry but there aren't 2 types of capatalist!!! it's all the same thing. th nature of a capitalist is to get ahead of the next man. honest hard working capitalism haha wtf!!!!
however she is very sexy and i'd defo slip her a length :)
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i'm sorry but there aren't 2 types of capatalist!!! it's all the same thing. th nature of a capitalist is to get ahead of the next man. honest hard working capitalism haha wtf!!!!
however she is very sexy and i'd defo slip her a length :)
Oh yes, there are two types. When capitalists "get into bed" with governments, you get the old "brown envelope" economy. It is indeed cronyism when large corporates call the shots due to their financial clout. I am a strong believer in free and open competition. I am thoroughly against the type of corporatism, to which Palin rightly refers, where money buys government favours in return for reward... and is able to dictate policy.
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...it's the same in life, just bigger stage and stakes. Clique you might say. There may not be an envelope as such but it amounts to the same thing.
Don't agree with it though, so never quite fit into the round hole with whatever shaped peg you're looking for... Never!
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i'm sorry but there aren't 2 types of capatalist!!! it's all the same thing. th nature of a capitalist is to get ahead of the next man. honest hard working capitalism haha wtf!!!!
however she is very sexy and i'd defo slip her a length :)
Oh yes, there are two types. When capitalists "get into bed" with governments, you get the old "brown envelope" economy. It is indeed cronyism when large corporates call the shots due to their financial clout. I am a strong believer in free and open competition. I am thoroughly against the type of corporatism, to which Palin rightly refers, where money buys government favours in return for reward and dictates policy.
that is capatilism.....just another level.
e.g. i'm not going to help the 3 tramps that sit outside my local mcdonalds every friday night the same as you're not. the harsh reality of capitalism though is the only way forward. and we're part of it. so is sarah palin. she's consumed with the glamour of fame. she was a model too. and probably drives an enormous car. and also doesnt care about the tramps in her locality....... whatever way you rap it up is that we all, as capatalists, want to get on irrespective of how well others are doing. i say good luck to the people who are doing dodgy deals in parliament. just wish i was the one benefiting :)
sorry nick there is a point somewhere ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You old cynic, Webby! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
I may be a capitalist at heart, but I care for the genuinely disadvantaged. The work-shy I can cheerfully ignore.
I think Palin has rightly spotted the problem in the West. There is too much power invested in a relatively small but powerful political clique, just as chrisgixer correctly identifies. We want (or, at least, I want) a small government and freedom to run our lives without being ruled by cronyism - or who can "buy" the most votes. :y
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quite an impressive speech, but who wrote it for her ? ;)
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quite an impressive speech, but who wrote it for her ? ;)
who cares. she looks awsome in a cheerleading costume!!!!
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That could win her an election. :D ;D ;D
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quite an impressive speech, but who wrote it for her ? ;)
No major politician writes their own speeches these days, but I think it reflects her views, Albs. :y
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I will need a bit more convincing Nick.Thus far I have her pegged as being a tad brainless. I hope Im proved wrong though. :-/
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...it's the same in life, just bigger stage and stakes. Clique you might say. There may not be an envelope as such but it amounts to the same thing.
Don't agree with it though, so never quite fit into the round hole with whatever shaped peg you're looking for... Never!
... And is why Palin will not fit in to a Majority, a camp, a group with that Honesty above all else approach. Forget it, no chance. And is why politics is flawed from the very outset, the moment it becomes a reality it instantly turns to bull shit in the exact same step.
The only step being of any success is purely a selfish one for the individual or the individuals group/clique/party/cronies whatever.
With an idealist hat on I think a Female leader could have great qualities sadly lacking in power circles for so long. Let's hope though aye. :y
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...it's the same in life, just bigger stage and stakes. Clique you might say. There may not be an envelope as such but it amounts to the same thing.
Don't agree with it though, so never quite fit into the round hole with whatever shaped peg you're looking for... Never!
... And is why Palin will not fit in to a Majority, a camp, a group with that Honesty above all else approach. Forget it, no chance. And is why politics is flawed from the very outset, the moment it becomes a reality it instantly turns to bull shit in the exact same step.
The only step being of any success is purely a selfish one for the individual or the individuals group/clique/party/cronies whatever.
With an idealist hat on I think a Female leader could have great qualities sadly lacking in power circles for so long. Let's hope though aye. :y
not trying to be argumentative nick, honestly, but how ironic for an american glamorous politician to be talking about the harshness of capitalism. just takes the piss really.
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I will need a bit more convincing Nick.Thus far I have her pegged as being a tad brainless. I hope Im proved wrong though. :-/
She's not brainless, Albs. Many of her slips (mentioning North Korea when she meant South Korea, etc.) are taken out of context. At the end of the day, you can't get where she has got by being completely thick...even in the US. ;).
The liberal media have got it in for her, though, that's for sure:
http://www.countingcats.com/?p=10798
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I will need a bit more convincing Nick.Thus far I have her pegged as being a tad brainless. I hope Im proved wrong though. :-/
with a great set don't forget :y :y :y
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...it's the same in life, just bigger stage and stakes. Clique you might say. There may not be an envelope as such but it amounts to the same thing.
Don't agree with it though, so never quite fit into the round hole with whatever shaped peg you're looking for... Never!
... And is why Palin will not fit in to a Majority, a camp, a group with that Honesty above all else approach. Forget it, no chance. And is why politics is flawed from the very outset, the moment it becomes a reality it instantly turns to bull shit in the exact same step.
The only step being of any success is purely a selfish one for the individual or the individuals group/clique/party/cronies whatever.
With an idealist hat on I think a Female leader could have great qualities sadly lacking in power circles for so long. Let's hope though aye. :y
not trying to be argumentative nick, honestly, but how ironic for an american glamorous politician to be talking about the harshness of capitalism. just takes the piss really.
No argument, Webby, just discussion! ;) ;D
I think the point is we need (throughout the West) leaders who are genuinely patriotic - I know that is a taboo word, these days, but I still believe in the concept. We need leaders who really want their country, or constituency, to do well, regardless of their own personal agrandissement. Yes, Palin is glamourous, but that is a personal trait and , hopefully, not connected with her politics.
As I say, just a discussion. :y
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...it's the same in life, just bigger stage and stakes. Clique you might say. There may not be an envelope as such but it amounts to the same thing.
Don't agree with it though, so never quite fit into the round hole with whatever shaped peg you're looking for... Never!
... And is why Palin will not fit in to a Majority, a camp, a group with that Honesty above all else approach. Forget it, no chance. And is why politics is flawed from the very outset, the moment it becomes a reality it instantly turns to bull shit in the exact same step.
The only step being of any success is purely a selfish one for the individual or the individuals group/clique/party/cronies whatever.
With an idealist hat on I think a Female leader could have great qualities sadly lacking in power circles for so long. Let's hope though aye. :y
not trying to be argumentative nick, honestly, but how ironic for an american glamorous politician to be talking about the harshness of capitalism. just takes the piss really.
No argument, Webby, just discussion! ;) ;DI think the point is we need (throughout the West) leaders who are genuinely patriotic - I know that is a taboo word, these days, but I still believe in the concept. We need leaders who really want their country, or constituency, to do well, regardless of their own personal agrandissement. Yes, Palin is glamourous, but that is a personal trait and , hopefully, not connected with her politics.
As I say, just a discussion. :y
defo mate!!! :y
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defo mate!!! :y
Good lad! I'm going to sleep on it, now. G'night! :y
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defo mate!!! :y
Good lad! I'm going to sleep on it, now. G'night! :y
haha me too. good night everyone. love yuo all :-* :-* :-* :-*
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I am afraid when it comes to that woman that she has spouted so much crap so far that if she said the grass was green I would have to check it.
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I am afraid when it comes to that woman that she has spouted so much crap so far that if she said the grass was green I would have to check it.
Examples, Martin? :-?
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I am afraid when it comes to that woman that she has spouted so much crap so far that if she said the grass was green I would have to check it.
Examples, Martin? :-?
There are many - start with this
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/palin-top-10.htm
http://www.thelangreport.com/religion-or-lack-of/sarah-palin-wants-creationism-taught-in-school/
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I dont believe that schools should teach anything as fact regarding the origins of life and the universe. There are no facts, no-one actually knows. There are various theories and scientific evidence can point us in a particualr direction at a particular time, but there are no facts. ;)
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Most of those are picking up on gaffes that all politicians (and all normal people) make from time to time, such as the reference in a live interview to North Korea when she meant South Korea. The interviewer corrected her straight away and she acknowledged the mis-speak. I notice Obama once stated that there were 57 states in the US.
She's gone from a small-town councillor to small-town mayor, a state oil & gas commissioner to state governor, to vice-presidential candidate in a little over fifteen years. She's not dumb and, yes, she makes slip-ups. Her policies may not be to everyone's taste, but hey that's politics.
The Left have it in for Palin. That alone will make her likely win next time round as the American public is tending towards the Right post-Obama. :y
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I dont believe that schools should teach anything as fact regarding the origins of life and the universe. There are no facts, no-one actually knows. There are various theories and scientific evidence can point us in a particualr direction at a particular time, but there are no facts. ;)
The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor’s race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state’s public classrooms. Palin was answering a question from the moderator when she said, “Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.”
In an interview, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms: “I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.” She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum. “I won’t have religion as a litmus test, or anybody’s personal opinion on evolution or creationism,” Palin said.
I can't argue with her view. RE is taught alongside science in UK schools. Where's the beef? :-?
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I agree. Imo it should be taught as - "some people believe this is how it happened, other people believe it happened like this".......... :y
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I dont believe that schools should teach anything as fact regarding the origins of life and the universe. There are no facts, no-one actually knows. There are various theories and scientific evidence can point us in a particualr direction at a particular time, but there are no facts. ;)
The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor’s race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state’s public classrooms. Palin was answering a question from the moderator when she said, “Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.”
In an interview, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms: “I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.” She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum. “I won’t have religion as a litmus test, or anybody’s personal opinion on evolution or creationism,” Palin said.
I can't argue with her view. RE is taught alongside science in UK schools. Where's the beef? :-?
They are on about teaching RE as science.
Still think she is a nutcase anyway.
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I agree. Imo it should be taught as - "some people believe this is how it happened, other people believe it happened like this".......... :y
A few people think it happened like this, large numbers of scientists have proved it happened like this.
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"If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/palins-book-sparks-republican-war-on-vegetarians.html
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"If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/palins-book-sparks-republican-war-on-vegetarians.html
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She makes a fair point, IMHO. ;D
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"If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/palins-book-sparks-republican-war-on-vegetarians.html
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She makes a fair point, IMHO. ;D
Yeah - that one should really be on a T-shirt.. ;D
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I always remind people from outside our state that there's plenty of room for all Alaska's animals -- right next to the mashed potatoes.”
I would love to meet this woman :y ;D ;D ;D
I wonder if she would like a british pasport ;D ;D
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I always remind people from outside our state that there's plenty of room for all Alaska's animals -- right next to the mashed potatoes.”
I would love to meet this woman :y ;D ;D ;D
I wonder if she would like a british pasport ;D ;D
.. and the keys to No. 10. :o
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I always remind people from outside our state that there's plenty of room for all Alaska's animals -- right next to the mashed potatoes.”
I would love to meet this woman :y ;D ;D ;D
I wonder if she would like a british pasport ;D ;D
.. and the keys to No. 10. :o
Well we do give passports to any tinker nowdays ;D ;D
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"If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/palins-book-sparks-republican-war-on-vegetarians.html
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PMSL ;D ;D ;D
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;D @ tunnie. Quality :y
I'm gonna make a t-shirt, and find a Vegetarian's convention :P