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Title: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Varche on 03 September 2011, 11:48:55
Or not..........

I have been following this with mixed feelings. Sure the planning laws need to be respected and upheld but local authorities have a responsibility in law to provide sites. Here we have a group of travellers willing to "put down roots" have their kids educated at the same school and so on. Half the site is legal.

Maybe it would have been better to spend the ten years worth of taxpayers money, used in persuing the case through umpteen courts, on some screening, better on site facilities etc.

Just a thought :y

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2032800/Dale-Farm-eviction-Travellers-plan-use-children-human-shields.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: cleggy on 03 September 2011, 12:56:54
They broke the law, if any of us broke planning permission laws our property would be demolished rather quicker than the 10 years it has taken to move these pikeys on >:(
Send in the bull dozers now, and if anyone gets in the way tough! :y
I am sure the local law abiding residents of that area have suffered enough, and they the 'Travellers' should be made to pay all the costs of removal by the forced sale of their rather expensive vehicles.
I have no sympathy with these people whatsoever >:(
If they are travellers why don't they travel? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: albitz on 03 September 2011, 13:09:20
A group of parasites who have declared themselves travellers because travellers are a protected/ minority species.
They put nothing into society in the way of taxes (or in any other way) and grab everything their lawyers/lobbyists/ naive celebrity friends can get for them.
They mostly come from Limerick and theres two reasons why they arent there.
1.The people in Limerick know them only too well and are wise too their habits (they are not in any sense the old fashioned Irish travelling gypsys who used to work on the land etc.)
2. They knew that the Labour Govt. were gullible as hell and would give in to their every whim and demand.
They are now finding life after new labour isnt to their liking so are squealing like pigs.The people who live near them are sick and tired of the crime/threats of violence and murder/ ther gardens being used as rubbish tips and toilets......
They have stated that it will take the army to shift them. Good, send in the army.It will be practise for them.
Where should they go ? Vannessa Redgraves garden. Im sure she wont mind. ;)
She can then spend her time justifying the fact that the local churches have lost the lead from their roofs, the local vans and 4x4,s have had their cats removed in the night,the local railway has had all the copper cable pinched, and road users are in danger of being killed due to the manhole covers being stolen in the hours of darkness.
As you might have guessed - Im not keen. ;)
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: blackviper90210 on 03 September 2011, 13:23:44
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A group of parasites who have declared themselves travellers because travellers are a protected/ minority species.
They put nothing into society in the way of taxes (or in any other way) and grab everything their lawyers/lobbyists/ naive celebrity friends can get for them.
They mostly come from Limerick and theres two reasons why they arent there.
1.The people in Limerick know them only too well and are wise too their habits (they are not in any sense the old fashioned Irish travelling gypsys who used to work on the land etc.)
2. They knew that the Labour Govt. were gullible as hell and would give in to their every whim and demand.
They are now finding life after new labour isnt to their liking so are squealing like pigs.The people who live near them are sick and tired of the crime/threats of violence and murder/ ther gardens being used as rubbish tips and toilets......
They have stated that it will take the army to shift them. Good, send in the army.It will be practise for them.
Where should they go ? Vannessa Redgraves garden. Im sure she wont mind. ;)
She can then spend her time justifying the fact that the local churches have lost the lead from their roofs, the local vans and 4x4,s have had their cats removed in the night,the local railway has had all the copper cable pinched, and road users are in danger of being killed due to the manhole covers being stolen in the hours of darkness.
As you might have guessed - Im not keen. ;)

You should lead the UKIP!!

I'm right with you buddy!  :y
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Lioned on 03 September 2011, 15:28:47
It is not usually good practice to 'tar them all with the same brush' but in the case of this so called ethnic group i am pretty sure you can get away with it with some degree of accuracy.The vast majority of them are lawless thieves who contribute nothing but fear to the local community and beyond.
Its a pretty good bet that most ,if not all,dont pay tax,National Insurance etc.
This particular lot,who dont seem to actually be 'travellers' anymore as they have apparently been there ten years i dont know much about.Those that arrive in our area from time to time have dirty kids who terrorise the shop keepers and their dads dont know how to lay brick pavings properly either.

Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 03 September 2011, 16:01:16
The law of the land should apply to EVERYONE regardless of colour, creed, culture, sexual orientation, political beliefs etc etc etc

If I bought a bit of land and built on it without planning permission, do you think it would take them 10 years to move me on?? I don't think so!!!  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: albitz on 03 September 2011, 16:31:20
The reason they buy green belt land is that its very cheap to buy as your not allowed to build on it. Then they do just that.
They are also usually quite wealthy people. Their weddings for example are known to cost many thousands of pounds.
They often have nice new Mercs. etc parked at the back of their caravans.
I dont mind anyone wanting to live outside of society for whatever reason, but they should not be able to take anything from society if they put nothing into it.
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Debs. on 03 September 2011, 16:39:11
 ::) These dairy companies........



......have they no shame?!?! ;D
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: alfie on 03 September 2011, 17:05:04
Watching this drama on the news,WHERE are the men,the only bloke there was a do good-er,stating that the UN was backing the pikeys.
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: jonnycool on 03 September 2011, 18:06:03
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A group of parasites who have declared themselves travellers because travellers are a protected/ minority species.
They put nothing into society in the way of taxes (or in any other way) and grab everything their lawyers/lobbyists/ naive celebrity friends can get for them.
They mostly come from Limerick and theres two reasons why they arent there.
1.The people in Limerick know them only too well and are wise too their habits (they are not in any sense the old fashioned Irish travelling gypsys who used to work on the land etc.)
2. They knew that the Labour Govt. were gullible as hell and would give in to their every whim and demand.
They are now finding life after new labour isnt to their liking so are squealing like pigs.The people who live near them are sick and tired of the crime/threats of violence and murder/ ther gardens being used as rubbish tips and toilets......
They have stated that it will take the army to shift them. Good, send in the army.It will be practise for them.
Where should they go ? Vannessa Redgraves garden. Im sure she wont mind. ;)
She can then spend her time justifying the fact that the local churches have lost the lead from their roofs, the local vans and 4x4,s have had their cats removed in the night,the local railway has had all the copper cable pinched, and road users are in danger of being killed due to the manhole covers being stolen in the hours of darkness.
As you might have guessed - Im not keen. ;)

Yep, agree with everything there - we have had them living around here at various times and they are nothing but thieves and thugs. I'm not that keen either
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: albitz on 03 September 2011, 19:03:39
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Watching this drama on the news,WHERE are the men,the only bloke there was a do good-er,stating that the UN was backing the pikeys.

Good point.Plenty of women and children parading for the cameras, but the men seem to be very camera shy. Cant imagine why. ::)
Btw - every one of the families has been offered a council house by Basildon council. Not one of them has accepted. Could it be something to do with the fact that they would have to pay rent, council tax,electric,gas etc.....just like the rest of us. ;)
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: DaveA on 03 September 2011, 19:38:37
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Watching this drama on the news,WHERE are the men,the only bloke there was a do good-er,stating that the UN was backing the pikeys.

Yes, I notice that, maybe  ::) ::)they are aiming for the sympathy vote, like Redgrave and other Looneys :D :D
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: tidla on 03 September 2011, 19:47:46
thought it was quite on oof. i know the lakes are nice an all that... ;D
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: albitz on 06 September 2011, 17:16:32
http://news.aol.co.uk/politics-news/story/gypsy-chief-asked-for-a-6m-sale/1918011?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%7C76875

 ::) ;)
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Amigo on 06 September 2011, 17:43:07
I sympathize with them to a degree but the same law applies to us all includung planning permission. They should accept the local authority housing they've been offered, sell the land & use the proceeds to find land they can legally settle on. I listened to the Redgrave/Vine interview recently & nothing the poor deluded woman said was worthy of a reply.

   Just a thought but these folk have been offered & declined council housing. I wonder how long the waiting list is for non travelling hard working families who can't afford to buy & would love to leave B&B's., hostels, etc is? :-/
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: hotel21 on 06 September 2011, 19:07:15
They are 'travellers' and constantly punt that down the ears of anyone who will listen.

Let them travel then....

Jog on, says I.  If that needs encouragement from a fleet of bulldozers, c'est la vie. 

The rest of the UK has to abide by planning laws so why not them? 
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Bionic on 07 September 2011, 07:07:11
Travellers are NOT true Romanies and as such only try to evade the rules that normal citizens accept as a part, and an obligation, in their lives.
The buildings that have been erected without planning permission should be bulldozed flat as soon as possible and the protesters locked up.
Perhaps their supporters will provide free housing for them if they are so intent on helping.... But I bet that none will make that offer...sad tw*ts. >:(
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 07 September 2011, 08:03:29
No Sympathy.

There is a section of this particular community who feel they are above the law.

The site next door is legit and all are happy, the parasites on the illegal site need outing.

If I built a garage without planning permission and building control regs approval then they would put a bull dozer straight through it.

We ahev no way of knowing if the buildings they have built are even safe!
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: mantahatch on 07 September 2011, 08:23:40
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No Sympathy.

There is a section of this particular community who feel they are above the law.

The site next door is legit and all are happy, the parasites on the illegal site need outing.

If I built a garage without planning permission and building control regs approval then they would put a bull dozer straight through it.

We ahev no way of knowing if the buildings they have built are even safe!


Sadly in my experience this is not true. Opposite tried to do a loft conversion and raise the roof line. This was turned down. So they went ahead with a loft conversion keeping the roof line the same, with planning permission. No problem I hear you say, but then they decided to follow the original plans and raise the roof line. Numerous calls to planning resulted in no action during the build. Afterwards they just retrospectively applied for permission and it was given as the coucil said it could not afford to fight the case.

Basically a case of build what you like.
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 07 September 2011, 08:29:37
A sad result that one but, it will ahev been overseen by building control so would ahev met code and been safe....none of what these pikeys have done has been
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Bionic on 07 September 2011, 13:17:12
Surely the main point is that what they have done by flouting all of the rules is indefensable and the rule of law to its full extent should be applied as rapidly and effectively as possible. Their supporters should be held to account too and made to pay for the additional costs their intervention will no doubt incur.
If sympathy is what is they are seeking then I suggest they look between sh*t and syphallis in any dictionary....its the only place they should find it here.
I pay my dues to society and abide by its rules, so should they cos without that they are but parasites on us all. :y
I can operate a dozer...want any free help? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Osprey on 07 September 2011, 15:41:09
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No Sympathy.

There is a section of this particular community who feel they are above the law.

The site next door is legit and all are happy, the parasites on the illegal site need outing.

If I built a garage without planning permission and building control regs approval then they would put a bull dozer straight through it.

We ahev no way of knowing if the buildings they have built are even safe!


Sadly in my experience this is not true. Opposite tried to do a loft conversion and raise the roof line. This was turned down. So they went ahead with a loft conversion keeping the roof line the same, with planning permission. No problem I hear you say, but then they decided to follow the original plans and raise the roof line. Numerous calls to planning resulted in no action during the build. Afterwards they just retrospectively applied for permission and it was given as the coucil said it could not afford to fight the case.

Basically a case of build what you like.

Just down the road from me:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-1619418/We-hid-our-castle-style-home-in-a-haystack.html

Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Bionic on 07 September 2011, 16:21:18
 ;D ;D ;D Can't believe the pratt was called FIDLER....that about says it all I reckon. :y
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Varche on 07 September 2011, 19:32:10
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No Sympathy.

There is a section of this particular community who feel they are above the law.

The site next door is legit and all are happy, the parasites on the illegal site need outing.

If I built a garage without planning permission and building control regs approval then they would put a bull dozer straight through it.

We ahev no way of knowing if the buildings they have built are even safe!


Sadly in my experience this is not true. Opposite tried to do a loft conversion and raise the roof line. This was turned down. So they went ahead with a loft conversion keeping the roof line the same, with planning permission. No problem I hear you say, but then they decided to follow the original plans and raise the roof line. Numerous calls to planning resulted in no action during the build. Afterwards they just retrospectively applied for permission and it was given as the coucil said it could not afford to fight the case.

Basically a case of build what you like.


Happened to my brother too. Next door got planning permission for a bungalow. What did they build? A two storey house that overlooks them! Complaining didn't achieve anything. It is who you know on the council. 
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: albitz on 12 September 2011, 17:41:46
Salt of the earth these travellers. ;)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3808387/Held-gypsy-gang-that-caged-slaves.html
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Nickbat on 12 September 2011, 22:29:57
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Salt of the earth these travellers. ;)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3808387/Held-gypsy-gang-that-caged-slaves.html

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100104361/traveller-slaves-vanessa-redgrave-can-surely-explain/

 ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: belldarr on 12 September 2011, 23:02:55
These travellers that have been accused of keeping these slaves are about 3 miles from where I live - what is even more incredible is that Frank Bruno lives directly in front of this camp - I have to wonder what the hell was he thinking when he bought the place! He has had to put up an 8 foot fence to keep them out as they were knocking on his door on a regular basis offering him out for a punch-up, lovely people.....

Darren
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: tidla on 12 September 2011, 23:12:13
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These travellers that have been accused of keeping these slaves are about 3 miles from where I live - what is even more incredible is that Frank Bruno lives directly in front of this camp - I have to wonder what the hell was he thinking when he bought the place! He has had to put up an 8 foot fence to keep them out as they were knocking on his door on a regular basis offering him out for a punch-up, lovely people.....

Darren

too many whacks to the head?


Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Varche on 13 September 2011, 11:27:18
Questions for the local MP and the government of the day.

I understood(but may be wrong) that all approved travellers sites had a local liaison officer. Has he or she been sacked?

For none approved sites I would expect the local police to carry out that function. This is a very serious situation (slavery) which shouldn't be able to happen in a 1st world country. How many other sites have the same thing going on.
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: albitz on 13 September 2011, 11:33:38
Saw one of the alleged slaves being interviewed on the news last night.He had refused to make a statement or complaint to the police,and imo was scared for his life.
As an apparently civilised country we should show no mercy to "people" who perpetrate this type of thing.It is imo a glowing example of political correctness gone berserk, when this kind of thing can be taking place on these sites and the authorities are too scared to do much  about it.
Apparently the police and other authorities have known about this for a long time  but it took them a long time to pluck up the courage to act.
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Varche on 13 September 2011, 11:53:29
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Saw one of the alleged slaves being interviewed on the news last night.He had refused to make a statement or complaint to the police,and imo was scared for his life.
As an apparently civilised country we should show no mercy to "people" who perpetrate this type of thing.It is imo a glowing example of political correctness gone berserk, when this kind of thing can be taking place on these sites and the authorities are too scared to do much  about it.
Apparently the police and other authorities have known about this for a long time  but it took them a long time to pluck up the courage to act.

If that is true they need sacking AND charging with criminal negligence. Let us not forget that these are human beings - someones brother, son or daughter. It is a very sad indictment of the times we live in.

Like I said in my post some very serious questions need to be asked and some heads roll both within and outside the "travellers camp". It smacks of Nazi Germany. Most if not all the camp members above a certain age would have known what was going on and therefore have guilt - it isn't just the camp leader.
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: albitz on 13 September 2011, 11:55:57
They have very powerful friends and lobbyists who cry "RACISM" as soon as anyone comes within a mile of them, and it works. Seems to provide imunity from the laws and rules the rest of us have to live by. ;)
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: aaronjb on 14 September 2011, 16:31:36
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037358/UN-team-accuses-council-violating-international-law-evicting-travellers-extraordinary-visit-Dale-Farm-compared-China-Zimbabwe.html
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Kevin Wood on 14 September 2011, 16:36:19
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037358/UN-team-accuses-council-violating-international-law-evicting-travellers-extraordinary-visit-Dale-Farm-compared-China-Zimbabwe.html

He could have brushed his hair and put a suit on, especially if he expects anyone to take his utterances seriously. Looks like one of the pikeys. ;D
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: aaronjb on 14 September 2011, 16:44:46
Quote
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037358/UN-team-accuses-council-violating-international-law-evicting-travellers-extraordinary-visit-Dale-Farm-compared-China-Zimbabwe.html

He could have brushed his hair and put a suit on, especially if he expects anyone to take his utterances seriously. Looks like one of the pikeys. ;D

 ;D ;D He's a university lecturer as well as being president for UN bowlocks, so he's probably never even seen a comb..
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: albitz on 14 September 2011, 16:51:37
Problem is, many of the people who wield power and influence these days, take them very seriously.
Educated fools, the world is not only full of them, but run by them. >:(
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Nickbat on 18 September 2011, 21:41:51
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038744/Dale-Farm-traveller-camp-leader-Richard-Sheridan-jailed-twice-fake-cigarette-racket.html

I'm shocked I tell you. Shocked.  :o :o

 ;) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: albitz on 18 September 2011, 21:58:53
Who, have thought it ? ::)
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: the alarming man on 18 September 2011, 22:33:43
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A group of parasites who have declared themselves travellers because travellers are a protected/ minority species.
They put nothing into society in the way of taxes (or in any other way) and grab everything their lawyers/lobbyists/ naive celebrity friends can get for them.
They mostly come from Limerick and theres two reasons why they arent there.
1.The people in Limerick know them only too well and are wise too their habits (they are not in any sense the old fashioned Irish travelling gypsys who used to work on the land etc.)
2. They knew that the Labour Govt. were gullible as hell and would give in to their every whim and demand.
They are now finding life after new labour isnt to their liking so are squealing like pigs.The people who live near them are sick and tired of the crime/threats of violence and murder/ ther gardens being used as rubbish tips and toilets......
They have stated that it will take the army to shift them. Good, send in the army.It will be practise for them.
Where should they go ? Vannessa Redgraves garden. Im sure she wont mind. ;)
She can then spend her time justifying the fact that the local churches have lost the lead from their roofs, the local vans and 4x4,s have had their cats removed in the night,the local railway has had all the copper cable pinched, and road users are in danger of being killed due to the manhole covers being stolen in the hours of darkness.
As you might have guessed - Im not keen. ;)


dont package up albs you just say as you think lol...but i am with you... lying thieving pikey scum...they dont play by the rules and if the army is needed to move them on so be it i am sure there is a new weapon or two they need to try out?? :y
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: twiglet on 19 September 2011, 00:09:20
Hey Albs mate. I was wondering if you could do me a favour and let me park my pikey hotel caravan on your drive? It won't be for long...  :y
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: albitz on 19 September 2011, 00:11:22
break orft. :P ;D


mmm,wonder if theres a market for used pikey wagon spares ? :D ;D
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: twiglet on 19 September 2011, 00:17:54
Nah, they'd just expect everything for free! Hang on a minute...  :D ;D :-X
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: aaronjb on 19 September 2011, 10:27:39
I heard one of these caravanners on the radio this morning pleading to "think of the children" and to "give them a chance" and "work with them to fix this" and, my favourite, "just give us some land somewhere!"

Give? The rest of us have to buy the land our homes sit on! break right off. (Where's the 'enraged' smiley when you need it?)
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 19 September 2011, 10:38:59
Its time for them to:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/caravan1.gif)
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Scratchy Ferret on 19 September 2011, 12:53:12
Have a t-shirt Albs.
Linky. (http://dailymash.shotdeadinthehead.com/product_view.aspx?pid=1000)
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: lastmadrich on 19 September 2011, 14:57:12
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Its time for them to:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/caravan1.gif)[/quote lmao well said marks  : :D
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Kevin Wood on 19 September 2011, 15:07:57
Could this be the first time anyone has refused to leave Basildon when given the opportunity? :-X
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: albitz on 19 September 2011, 17:12:59
They have just won an injunction. >:(
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Lioned on 23 September 2011, 18:44:31
Now i know we shouldn't 'tar them all with the same brush' there must be some decent ones somewhere or maybe at least one (though i doubt it).
I'd send them all to a camp in Afghanistan and tell them to either fit in and behave like decent citizens' (and then they can come home) or go clear all them IED's so our boys dont get their legs blown off any more.

You dirty Pikies can go rent a proper house or get a mortgage like my kids have had to.Then you can pay taxes like me and my kids have to.Then you can get a proper education,like me and my kids have had to pay for.Then you can get a proper job like me and my kids have had to,or at the very least learn how to lay brick paviours properly.Or when you get that bit of 'left over tarmac' make sure you put down a proper foundation so the f'kin weeds dont grow through it within a fortnight.

And tell your kids to stop thieving from all our local shops,and dont expect to turn up at the doorstep of our local schools with your little ragamuffins demanding school uniforms and free dinners and terrorising all our children.

And stop costing us law abiding and tax paying citizens Millions of pounds with your no win no fee ambulance chasing leaching lawyers and tell them useless tree hugging anachists to piss off as well.
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: freecall666 on 24 September 2011, 02:02:19
should just leave them there 1mill aday paying to try and remove them, they been there 10years+ so just leave them. they have settled down, now if they move they will be on move to a town near you soon then have to pay again to move them. its unfair to move them and unfair we have to pay to remove them and keep removing them from other areas they will move to.
Title: Re: Dale Farm evictions
Post by: Bionic on 25 September 2011, 07:50:54
 :( Looks like it will now go to the EU courts and the PARASITES will win so shagging this country once again. Travellers, I personally believe ... admin edit to remove distastefull comment.....taking their do-gooder supporters with them of course to see how much support they will give if it ever came to pass. You would never see so many turncoats then or fast sprinters......
Can someone explain to the rest of us why they believe they are above the laws of this country and it taxes?
What is it that makes them believe they are in the right?
Is Cherie Blair hiding in the shadows? ;)