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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 18 June 2009, 09:45:42
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Yesterday the MV6 was finshed. New cats and exhaust fitted. It's just had a top end refurb, heads off job.
The refurb was all done by me, slowly and carefully. Everything double checked, timing, torques etc correct - no problems.
Started her up - ran first time. Ticked over on the drive for about an hour, smooth as anything.
Went for a drive - covered about 10 miles. Loads of power, sounded awesome, smooth as anything. Stopped for fuel, joined a dual carriageway.
Did about 60 miles - and pulled out to overtake a pug. Autobox kicked down - nice surge of power, and.....
BANG, Crunch, Clatter , Oil light, loads of smoke, and Dead - contents of the sump all on the floor :-[
Pulled onto shoulder and alerted relevent services, while she continued to leak.
In short, nice hole in engine block.
That noise was a very sickening feeling after all that work, and after enjoying the car so much... :-[ :'(
I keep beating myself up asking if it's something I did - but I really don't think it is. The job was done well, no corners cut - and there was no problem with oil delivery etc. It happened so suddenly, I can only think it was looming anyway :-/
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Oh and just to top it off, after being stuck for 2 hours waiting for a tow, I tried my other Elite - and that was also dead. Just span without starting.
Paperclipped that one - Code 19 >:( ;D
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buggar! :(
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i thought this type of thing only happened to me! know how u feel, got my mum an 06 1.4 astra with 25k and took it a roadtest to check everything, oilpump decided it wasnt playing and broke up. stripped her down, got all the peices out and she had only just grabbed no.3 big end. replaced and rebuilt only for the engine light to be on! bloody vauxhalls
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I dearly want to repair it, but don't easily have the facilities available for an engine change at present .... :(
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Sounds like an oil feed issue to a big end.
I assume the T vents were re-fitted to the heads?
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i take it it was a leg out of bed?
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I assume the T vents were re-fitted to the heads?
Indeed they were.... :y
No signs at all - not even lifter noise, just crunch....
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Ouch :'(
so....that elite you wre breaking....least you have a home for the engine :y
theres a new project to keep you busy :y
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Hard luck :(
I know exactly how you feel, happend to me last year :'(
You could be certain it wasn't anything you did if you just did top end. Must have been comming anyway :(
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Bloody hell James, that is real crap luck matey :'(
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Commiserations mate - what a bummer :( :(
Sounds unlikely that its anything to do with your work though :)
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Oh no! :(
I keep checking back to see how the job's going - and all sounded good until this...
:'(
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nice surge of power, and.....
BANG, Crunch, Clatter , Oil light, loads of smoke, and Dead - contents of the sump all on the floor :-[ ......
Bugger! :'( :'( :'(
Expensive aswel as annoying! :( :(
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I dearly want to repair it, but don't easily have the facilities available for an engine change at present .... :(
Why bother? you can probably pick up another tidy V6 for a few hundred quid!...break it and swap all the good parts over, sell the rest :y
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or fit another engine!
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got a good 3.0 engine here james :y
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I'm gutted for you James... Sounds like it was nothing you did though.
At least you've got some spares for the replacement though
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I don't believe in coincidences - as I'm sure the Admin Team will agree following OOF's reboot earlier in the week, and a shit load of corruption a few minutes later ::)
Assuming everything went back together properly, I would have to suggest oil lack somehow - some dirt falling in oilways and clogging strainer? Sump plug working loose? Filter/oil pipes working loose?
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Take no notice of the nasty admins James... sorry to hear of your issues. :'( Should keep you busy though :y
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I don't believe in coincidences - as I'm sure the Admin Team will agree following OOF's reboot earlier in the week, and a shit load of corruption a few minutes later ::)
And I suspect they won't let me do another reboot in a hurry ::), which is a bugger, as the OOF server is getting towards needing yet another RAM upgrade, which needs the server to be shut down. I hate Linux - the OS and app only needs about 80Mb RAM. Its the bloody useless Linux kernel thats the bloody problem. Whatever pillock wr....
...there, gone off at on a tangent on someone elses thread :-[
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Sorry to hear that mate especially after all the hard work :(
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James sorry to hear about the car
Anyway if you wish i have a 3.0 engine here that you can have for nothing if you want it
Yes FREE just to help you out
Its a good lump too with no issues
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His MV6 was a 3.2. Be a mare to change to a 3.0
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His MV6 was a 3.2. Be a mare to change to a 3.0
I thought it was a 3.0 TB, Same Year as My FL 3.0 MV6.
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His MV6 was a 3.2. Be a mare to change to a 3.0
Ah ::) that explains why the heads were different in the other thread ::)
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His MV6 was a 3.2. Be a mare to change to a 3.0
Sorry Jamie did not know it was a 3.2 and yes your right it would be a right pain to change over :y
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His MV6 was a 3.2. Be a mare to change to a 3.0
Sorry Jamie did not know it was a 3.2 and yes your right it would be a right pain to change over :y
naw it would be a piece of piss you would only need to change the block and heads and use the rest as was !! james mv6 is a 3.0 anyhows :y
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His MV6 was a 3.2. Be a mare to change to a 3.0
Sorry Jamie did not know it was a 3.2 and yes your right it would be a right pain to change over :y
naw it would be a piece of piss you would only need to change the block and heads and use the rest as was !! james mv6 is a 3.0 anyhows :y
I was under the impression it was a 3.0 but hey..... :y
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What a PITA :(
I really feel for you you there
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maybe i'm wrong, though it was 3.2...
actually, you're all right, it is 3.0l - its got an egr :-[
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Have a feeling it is now on flea-bay :y
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bad news.. :(
but I'm sure you will sort anyway..
will cost you though :-/
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ooooops!
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:-/
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Sorry to hear of your woes James! :'( :'(
These cars can be right buggers; give me kids anyday!! ::) ::) ;)
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Sorry to hear of your woes James! :'( :'(
These cars can be right buggers; give me kids anyday!! ::) ::) ;)
swop you a 17 year old lizzie for your omega !! ;D
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No, the MV6 is not on fleabay. The Elite is.
It's a 3.0 :y
I will catch up on this thread tomorrow :y
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sorry to hear about your probs james you will sort it ! :y
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I don't believe in coincidences
I agree - I work on the same principle, but however much I think about it, I can't imagine how I could have done anything to cause it.
I keep beating myself up wondering if I did something - Everything was fitted spotlessly clean - set correctly - torqued correctly.
I didn't touch the oil cooler - and it was fine before, so it can't have "co-incidently" leaked...
Sump plug all intact.
When it blew - it dumped LOADS of oil on the road - indicating it hadn't all leaked out, and caused the failure.
Can't get my head around this one, other than bloody bad luck!
It's getting a bit like your tractor TB - it's personal - and it WILL be fixed !!! ;D
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I don't believe in coincidences
I agree - I work on the same principle, but however much I think about it, I can't imagine how I could have done anything to cause it.
I keep beating myself up wondering if I did something - Everything was fitted spotlessly clean - set correctly - torqued correctly.
I didn't touch the oil cooler - and it was fine before, so it can't have "co-incidently" leaked...
Sump plug all intact.
When it blew - it dumped LOADS of oil on the road - indicating it hadn't all leaked out, and caused the failure.
Can't get my head around this one, other than bloody bad luck!
It's getting a bit like your tractor TB - it's personal - and it WILL be fixed !!! ;D
It does smack of lack of oil (not necessarily in the sump), so worth checking oil pick-up/strainer if resusing anything of the engine. But then if the conrod is hanging out of the block, you ain't using that engine ;)
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I don't believe in coincidences
I agree - I work on the same principle, but however much I think about it, I can't imagine how I could have done anything to cause it.
I keep beating myself up wondering if I did something - Everything was fitted spotlessly clean - set correctly - torqued correctly.
I didn't touch the oil cooler - and it was fine before, so it can't have "co-incidently" leaked...
Sump plug all intact.
When it blew - it dumped LOADS of oil on the road - indicating it hadn't all leaked out, and caused the failure.
Can't get my head around this one, other than bloody bad luck!
It's getting a bit like your tractor TB - it's personal - and it WILL be fixed !!! ;D
dont beat yyourself up James, it aint your fault!! hers a poss scenario but i wouyldnt mind betting its the right one,
now i dont know who you b ought the car off/ and im not blaming them in any way
but here is how i see it and believe me i have seen many cars go this way!!!
the headgaskets were gone correct? so this means that water was in the combustion chambers or being forced into the oil gallerys on the head, either way it will have the same effect, and that is water gets mixed with the oil, which is not a good lubricant for big ends, so we dont know how ling the gaskets were gone or how many miles it has done with a water and oil mix in the sump, the previous owner may not have known either
as a lot of the water will be burnt/condensed off as the oil runs
very hot, however enough of it will score the bigends and mains, if the oil was changed just before you got or indeed a while before you got it there wouldnt be much siign of the impending disaster, as fresh oil will take up the slack in the system till it gets really hot when the tolerances will simoly become to large and the bigend will let go,
so what i am sayimg is a motor that has haed gasket gone will often blow its bottom end if used for anytime with the headgasket gone!!! unless yiou had pulled the sump off and checked a big end and a main bearing for scoring you wouldnt have known ,
hope that makes sense to all ???
and answers a question?
seen it to many times to know it happens a lot!!
Omegatoy
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I don't believe in coincidences
I agree - I work on the same principle, but however much I think about it, I can't imagine how I could have done anything to cause it.
I keep beating myself up wondering if I did something - Everything was fitted spotlessly clean - set correctly - torqued correctly.
I didn't touch the oil cooler - and it was fine before, so it can't have "co-incidently" leaked...
Sump plug all intact.
When it blew - it dumped LOADS of oil on the road - indicating it hadn't all leaked out, and caused the failure.
Can't get my head around this one, other than bloody bad luck!
It's getting a bit like your tractor TB - it's personal - and it WILL be fixed !!! ;D
dont beat yyourself up James, it aint your fault!! hers a poss scenario but i wouyldnt mind betting its the right one,
now i dont know who you b ought the car off/ and im not blaming them in any way
but here is how i see it and believe me i have seen many cars go this way!!!
the headgaskets were gone correct? so this means that water was in the combustion chambers or being forced into the oil gallerys on the head, either way it will have the same effect, and that is water gets mixed with the oil, which is not a good lubricant for big ends, so we dont know how ling the gaskets were gone or how many miles it has done with a water and oil mix in the sump, the previous owner may not have known either
as a lot of the water will be burnt/condensed off as the oil runs
very hot, however enough of it will score the bigends and mains, if the oil was changed just before you got or indeed a while before you got it there wouldnt be much siign of the impending disaster, as fresh oil will take up the slack in the system till it gets really hot when the tolerances will simoly become to large and the bigend will let go,
so what i am sayimg is a motor that has haed gasket gone will often blow its bottom end if used for anytime with the headgasket gone!!! unless yiou had pulled the sump off and checked a big end and a main bearing for scoring you wouldnt have known ,
hope that makes sense to all ???
and answers a question?
seen it to many times to know it happens a lot!!
Omegatoy
The HG failure on the V6 is normally just coolant ways leaking to outside of block (as it was in this case). The firerings remained in tact, and the oil appear unaffected - I did see and drive this car before the HG was replaced. It went OK (needed a good service imho), certainly nothing to suggest any issue at all with firerings, and both the oil and 'water' (no antifreeze in it) were clear of contamination.
I'm still of the opinion maybe a bit of gasket (or other crud - I bet the coolant ways were in a mess) dropped down the oil return into sump, eventually getting sucked up into oil pickup....
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James, did you drop the sump pan after the work to check the strainer (I cant remember)
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James, did you drop the sump pan after the work to check the strainer (I cant remember)
It did have evidence of a lot of "bathroom sealent" IIRC. :(
Bad news, James, and must be gutting after doing so much work on it.
Kevin
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Hi Guys,
Yes - after seeing so much sealant used in the engine, I checked the strainer before running her...
Now I've got over that initial gutted feeling, I'm in stubborn mode, and will be looking to fit another engine block :y
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Hi Guys,
Yes - after seeing so much sealant used in the engine, I checked the strainer before running her...
Now I've got over that initial gutted feeling, I'm in stubborn mode, and will be looking to fit another engine block :y
So take the Elite of egay, and use that block ;)
Edit: ignore me, its missing about 500cc....
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Hi Guys,
Yes - after seeing so much sealant used in the engine, I checked the strainer before running her...
Now I've got over that initial gutted feeling, I'm in stubborn mode, and will be looking to fit another engine block :y
So take the Elite of egay, and use that block ;)
Edit: ignore me, its missing about 500cc....
Yep, missing some cubes unfortunately - else work would be underway this weekend !!!
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Sorry to hear of your woes James! :'( :'(
These cars can be right buggers; give me kids anyday!! ::) ::) ;)
swop you a 17 year old lizzie for your omega !! ;D
What gender Mark? That is the crucial question! :-? :-? Boy, great; teenage girl no thanks Been there, done it, worn the T-shirt; never again! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Sorry to hear of your woes James! :'( :'(
These cars can be right buggers; give me kids anyday!! ::) ::) ;)
swop you a 17 year old lizzie for your omega !! ;D
What gender Mark? That is the crucial question! :-? :-? Boy, great; teenage girl no thanks Been there, done it, worn the T-shirt; never again! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
yep its a boy lizzie ! no girls for me ! just three lads ;D ;D
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did someone mention a 17 year old girl?? :D
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did someone mention a 17 year old girl?? :D
Your partner won't be happy Tunnie ::)
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did someone mention a 17 year old girl?? :D
Your partner won't be happy Tunnie ::)
She does not have any say any more! Not for 2 years :y
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did someone mention a 17 year old girl?? :D
Your partner won't be happy Tunnie ::)
She does not have any say any more! Not for 2 years :y
I think EP meant the other one, the he not the she.
Or isn't that common knowledge yet?
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did someone mention a 17 year old girl?? :D
Your partner won't be happy Tunnie ::)
She does not have any say any more! Not for 2 years :y
I think EP meant the other one, the he not the she.
Or isn't that common knowledge yet?
You lot and your imagination ::)
Its hard to get a gf these days :'(
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Boy, great; teenage girl no thanks Been there, done it, worn the T-shirt; never again! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
T'other way round in this house.
21 y r old .... complete PITA always has been from about secondary school :-?. 20 y r old girl ..... brilliant, always has been. :y
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did someone mention a 17 year old girl?? :D
Your partner won't be happy Tunnie ::)
She does not have any say any more! Not for 2 years :y
I think EP meant the other one, the he not the she.
Or isn't that common knowledge yet?
There must have been quite a few people at York that met Tunnies partner ::)
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did someone mention a 17 year old girl?? :D
Your partner won't be happy Tunnie ::)
She does not have any say any more! Not for 2 years :y
I think EP meant the other one, the he not the she.
Or isn't that common knowledge yet?
You lot and your imagination ::)
Its hard to get a gf these days :'(
That explains it then ;D
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Its hard to get a gf these days at gay clubs :'(
Try normal places to meet ;)
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did someone mention a 17 year old girl?? :D
Your partner won't be happy Tunnie ::)
She does not have any say any more! Not for 2 years :y
I think EP meant the other one, the he not the she.
Or isn't that common knowledge yet?
You lot and your imagination ::)
Its hard, So I need to get a gf these days :'(
I bet it is ;D
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Sorry to hear about the engine mishap. It's soul destroying after so much careful work!
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I'm new to the V6 engines (a bit late in the day!) so I don't know very much about them, but when I do an engine rebuild I always like to put an oil pressure gauge on it so that on first startup the oil pressure can be monitored. Although I don't suppose that would necessarily show up a blockage in one of the galleries. Just a thought.
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I'm new to the V6 engines (a bit late in the day!) so I don't know very much about them, but when I do an engine rebuild I always like to put an oil pressure gauge on it so that on first startup the oil pressure can be monitored. Although I don't suppose that would necessarily show up a blockage in one of the galleries. Just a thought.
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Very good idea..but not an easy job.. :-/
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I spread the components of a 2.0 8V SEH in a CalibrE (note the E) across the Runcorn Bridge at Rush hour after the conrod decided to go through both sides of the block and destroy the starter motor in the process.
Someone else owns it now [smiley=cry.gif]
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i know exactly how you feel... that ex plod MV6 i had, ok it needed odd bits sorting like the multiram and exhaust manifold but ran spot on apart from that, serviced it at markey marks then within a week it died with believed big end bearings, it had chips of metal in the intake and in the sump!
really is gutting and annoying... look what it did to me, it was so bad i bought a tank :P
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Sorry to hear about your mishap James :( but remember "you can re build her(him)" you have the technology :y You might be a bit young to remember that saying but there are a lot on here who are not 8-)