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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Jimbob on 14 July 2009, 17:01:16
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Help
Father in law's vectra wont start
engine turns over, but just wont catch
smell of petrol from repeated tries
battery fine
no fault codes
any ideas?
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Chip in key or a prob with the Immobiliser?
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Chip in key or a prob with the Immobiliser?
no immobiliser is happy.
Head scratcher this one
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If you are getting petrol, next obvious check is spark
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If you are getting petrol, next obvious check is spark
wouldnt know how to check on this bugger
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If you are getting petrol, next obvious check is spark
wouldnt know how to check on this bugger
easy way take a plug out or use a good Known one put your lead on hold electrode to engine with plieres get someone to turn the key and look for the spark. DO NOT touch plug when engine is turning or running as it will bloody hurt belive me I've done it.
( note to self you Bloody idiot Lol )
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cheers CPP unit on this, no leads, so a little more awkward, but will have a play when the rain goes
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We have fuel pressure
we have spark
swapped relays where possible
still no joy :'(
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How fast is it turning over?
Is the throttle valve working?
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How fast is it turning over?
Is the throttle valve working?
turns over normally, just wont catch, dont know on the throttle (dbw)
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Cambelt intact?
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Well simplistically, it needs
Air
Fuel,
Spark,
Compression
You have air, you have fuel, and you have spark - compression test it :y
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Cambelt intact?
Chain driven, no chainny noise :-/
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Well simplistically, it needs
Air
Fuel,
Spark,
Compression
You have air, you have fuel, and you have spark - compression test it :y
like I know how ;D ;D ;D
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Well simplistically, it needs
Air
Fuel,
Spark,
Compression
You have air, you have fuel, and you have spark - compression test it :y
ahh .. but all must occur at the correct time .. does this have the equivalent of our crank sensor ??? ...
Just a thought .. :)
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Well simplistically, it needs
Air
Fuel,
Spark,
Compression
You have air, you have fuel, and you have spark - compression test it :y
ahh .. but all must occur at the correct time .. does this have the equivalent of our crank sensor ??? ...
Just a thought .. :)
Crossed my mind but didn't post it, due to the lack of a fault code. But, you're right....
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Crank sensor was my initial thought, but no codes.
I have heard elsewhere cranksensors can be faulty with no code :-/
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should have no rpm signal as not running. no rpm signal is non conclusive on non runner.
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Got me thinking on the chain.....
it is this engine that had the chain lubrication issue....when questioned then engine number wasnt in the effected range :-/
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should have no rpm signal as not running. no rpm signal is non conclusive on non runner.
Agreed, but what about incorrect RPM signal?
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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range :'(
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should have no rpm signal as not running. no rpm signal is non conclusive on non runner.
didnt have ANY code :-/
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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range :'(
Affected by what?
(Sorry, not read whole thread)
If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it :y
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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range :'(
Affected by what?
(Sorry, not read whole thread)
If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it :y
Cheers, there was a faulty lubrication nozzle on a range of chain 2.2's causing chain snappage.
father in law says pullys moving, so doesnt think its chain.
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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range :'(
Affected by what?
(Sorry, not read whole thread)
If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it :y
Cheers, there was a faulty lubrication nozzle on a range of chain 2.2's causing chain snappage.
father in law says pullys moving, so doesnt think its chain.
Did you say Chain? ::) :-X
I really hope it's more simple - but do compression test it....
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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range :'(
Affected by what?
(Sorry, not read whole thread)
If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it :y
Cheers, there was a faulty lubrication nozzle on a range of chain 2.2's causing chain snappage.
father in law says pullys moving, so doesnt think its chain.
Did you say Chain? ::) :-X
I really hope it's more simple - but do compression test it....
yup, 2.2 vectras are chain driven
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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range :'(
Affected by what?
(Sorry, not read whole thread)
If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it :y
Cheers, there was a faulty lubrication nozzle on a range of chain 2.2's causing chain snappage.
father in law says pullys moving, so doesnt think its chain.
Did you say Chain? ::) :-X
I really hope it's more simple - but do compression test it....
yup, 2.2 vectras are chain driven
I hope this one still is!!!!!
if no working crank sensor, would you get spark?
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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range :'(
Affected by what?
(Sorry, not read whole thread)
If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it :y
Cheers, there was a faulty lubrication nozzle on a range of chain 2.2's causing chain snappage.
father in law says pullys moving, so doesnt think its chain.
Did you say Chain? ::) :-X
I really hope it's more simple - but do compression test it....
yup, 2.2 vectras are chain driven
I hope this one still is!!!!!
if no working crank sensor, would you get spark?
Wouldn't think so - at least, not at the right times?
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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range :'(
Affected by what?
(Sorry, not read whole thread)
If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it :y
Cheers, there was a faulty lubrication nozzle on a range of chain 2.2's causing chain snappage.
father in law says pullys moving, so doesnt think its chain.
Did you say Chain? ::) :-X
I really hope it's more simple - but do compression test it....
yup, 2.2 vectras are chain driven
I hope this one still is!!!!!
if no working crank sensor, would you get spark?
Wouldn't think so - at least, not at the right times?
aye...but there is deffo a spark :-/
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I would think you would know by the starter motors tone when its cranking over if the chain has snapped?
Can you remove the oil filler cap and look for the camshaft turning?
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I would think you would know by the starter motors tone when its cranking over if the chain has snapped?
Can you remove the oil filler cap and look for the camshaft turning?
Yup, reckon we can....when the keys return that is ;D
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They are known to suffer crank sensor issues
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at £23 on TC will ring round and see if we can get one.
Everyones 1st thought has been Crank sensor, just no code to prove it.
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Tried all we can think of, and have towed it round to a local tech2 equipped place for a quick look.
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Had the phonecall.....they think its the chain :'(
waiting for confirmation.
the really annoying thing was when it was bought, vauxhall were rung and asked if it was in the effected range, they said it wasnt.
No more was thought of it till now, and Ive checked myself with TIS
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Well apparently its not the traditional bad nozzle issue.
A plastic tensioner has broken, causing the chain to jump.
Price was 'debated' and £900 agreed on.
Vauxhall wanted £1800ish, Luton knocked £200 off, but still too dear.
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Well apparently its not the traditional bad nozzle issue.
A plastic tensioner has broken, causing the chain to jump.
Price was 'debated' and £900 agreed on.
Vauxhall wanted £1800ish, Luton knocked £200 off, but still too dear.
shitty plastic tensioners that vauxhall use is another reason i like cambelts!
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Lol, they all use plastic tensioners these days!
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Yup, know where you are with a kit changed every 40k :y
He is not in the best of moods today thats for sure.
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Lol, they all use plastic tensioners these days!
aye, and a plastic that tends to go overly brittle with age.
hence give me a cambelt
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Lol, they all use plastic tensioners these days!
aye, and a plastic that tends to go overly brittle with age.
hence give me a cambelt
Best ask Carol at Newent :y
;D ;D ;D