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Title: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: TheBoy on 24 February 2010, 21:18:18
I know some people are less than happy with the Traction Control on their V6.  So lets discuss a possibility.

My car has GM Aftermarket (Tradeclub) rear pads.  They are 2 years old, and worn down to the backing plates.

Could this be a reason why my TC seems to work as expected?


Can't imagine the rear pads get too hammered in normal use, but TC does cut in a fair amount when I've eaten my weetabix ::)
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: TheBoy on 24 February 2010, 21:18:56
And those 2yrs equate to about 15k (due to lack of use when I had the Tractor)
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: rob in gib on 24 February 2010, 21:31:44
does the TC apply the brakes i thought it just cut a number of cylinders thus cutting power

forgive my ignorance 
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Post by: tunnie on 24 February 2010, 21:32:36
lets also not forget your rather 'energetic driving style'  ::)
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Post by: rob in gib on 24 February 2010, 21:34:13
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lets also not forget your rather 'energetic driving style'  ::)

who TB or me or maybe both lol
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: TheBoy on 24 February 2010, 21:49:48
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does the TC apply the brakes i thought it just cut a number of cylinders thus cutting power

forgive my ignorance 
1998 and later ABS applies brake to spinning wheel.
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: rob in gib on 24 February 2010, 21:51:39
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does the TC apply the brakes i thought it just cut a number of cylinders thus cutting power

forgive my ignorance 
1998 and later ABS applies brake to spinning wheel.


thanks TB we all live and learn

now better check my rear brakes more often  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: TheBoy on 24 February 2010, 21:55:11
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lets also not forget your rather 'energetic driving style'  ::)
Unlike the rest of the retarded world, I cannot see the point in waiting for rush hour to finish before pulling out on a roundabout. Life is too short
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: Del Boy on 24 February 2010, 22:27:02
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lets also not forget your rather 'energetic driving style'  ::)
Unlike the rest of the retarded world, I cannot see the point in waiting for rush hour to finish before pulling out on a roundabout. Life is too short
You get that where you are too then, can clearly see nothing is coming, and people STILL have to stop at the roundabout  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: feeutfo on 24 February 2010, 22:53:27
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does the TC apply the brakes i thought it just cut a number of cylinders thus cutting power

forgive my ignorance 
1998 and later ABS applies brake to spinning wheel.

didnt know that, even though i thought tc seems to cut in more aggressively than just cutting power. Presumed added braking would mean esp programme, which omega dont have. Can tech 2 adjust braking input? i guess not or you would have found the option...imo its too aggresive when pulling out, but has saved my arse more than once.
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: Kevin Wood on 24 February 2010, 23:40:31
Strewth! The rear pads on mine were looking "not too great, but legal" when I bought it at 42k and, at 94k they still look about the same. :o

TC has had plenty of action. Light was flashing for most of January, so it seems. I haven't experienced the non-DBW TC but the DBW TC cuts power so aggressively I can't see it ever making any odds on pad wear.

Kevin
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: TheBoy on 25 February 2010, 09:06:24
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Strewth! The rear pads on mine were looking "not too great, but legal" when I bought it at 42k and, at 94k they still look about the same. :o

TC has had plenty of action. Light was flashing for most of January, so it seems. I haven't experienced the non-DBW TC but the DBW TC cuts power so aggressively I can't see it ever making any odds on pad wear.

Kevin
After the long debates about TC, I have really played some silly beggers with mine, including a having it dancing the tacho between 4000 and 5500rpm in 2nd ::) - this will bring me on to another thread shortly ::)

My TC just does what it says on the tin, can't fault it for what it is.  Yes, if I lauch start with lots of lock on a slippery junction, it will leave me stranded with S-C-A-M-M-E-L getting ever closer to my door. But it has also saved my bacon as well, and, for me, works brilliantly in combination with common sense :)

But its costing me a fortune in rear pads  :P
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: tunnie on 25 February 2010, 09:15:39
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lets also not forget your rather 'energetic driving style'  ::)
Unlike the rest of the retarded world, I cannot see the point in waiting for rush hour to finish before pulling out on a roundabout. Life is too short
You get that where you are too then, can clearly see nothing is coming, and people STILL have to stop at the roundabout  >:( >:( >:(

I need a bigger horn on the beemer, sat behind some dozy women who was waiting for the entire roundabout to be clear before she moved.

Horn sounded a bit wimpy  :-[  ;D
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: TheBoy on 25 February 2010, 09:19:49
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lets also not forget your rather 'energetic driving style'  ::)
Unlike the rest of the retarded world, I cannot see the point in waiting for rush hour to finish before pulling out on a roundabout. Life is too short
You get that where you are too then, can clearly see nothing is coming, and people STILL have to stop at the roundabout  >:( >:( >:(

I need a bigger horn on the beemer, sat behind some dozy women who was waiting for the entire roundabout to be clear before she moved.

Horn sounded a bit wimpy  :-[  ;D
Of course the horn sounds gay - look at the sort of person the bike is aimed at...
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: TheBoy on 25 February 2010, 09:22:21
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lets also not forget your rather 'energetic driving style'  ::)
Unlike the rest of the retarded world, I cannot see the point in waiting for rush hour to finish before pulling out on a roundabout. Life is too short
You get that where you are too then, can clearly see nothing is coming, and people STILL have to stop at the roundabout  >:( >:( >:(
Or the worse one - seems to affect the Somalian population in Milton Keynes (the ones who are always up in arms as the Police keep pulling them for no licence, insurance or tax, and they try the race card  >:() - is stopping when the roundabout is clear, then pulling out when they see a car coming :o  >:(  >:(  >:(.  Thats done my front pads no rather favours  >:(
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: Kevin Wood on 25 February 2010, 10:22:59
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After the long debates about TC, I have really played some silly beggers with mine, including a having it dancing the tacho between 4000 and 5500rpm in 2nd Roll Eyes - this will bring me on to another thread shortly Roll Eyes

I'm pretty sure mine stops play long before then. Will have to wait for my SC3s to wear down a bit more - then I'll give it a go.  [smiley=evil.gif] The behaviour of the DBW traction control is such that it normally gets turned off before any such antics are attempted. It really isn't pleasant IMHO. Does sound like the non-DBW is different in that sense.

Kevin
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: ians on 25 February 2010, 10:50:24
I have never worn a set of rear pads out.  Mine have come detached from the backing plate long before then.
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: kcl on 25 February 2010, 11:22:21
TC on an Omega applies brake to spinning wheel? You sure? How is the pressure produced to the brake lines? I'm quite convinced it is only controlling the power on the engine  :-X
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: TheBoy on 25 February 2010, 12:51:04
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TC on an Omega applies brake to spinning wheel? You sure? How is the pressure produced to the brake lines? I'm quite convinced it is only controlling the power on the engine  :-X
Post 1998, it uses the ABS ECU to apply the brake to spinning wheel.  Pre 1998 ones couldn't use this technique, as it did not have independent control of each rear wheel (was on a 3 channel ABS).

It applies brake, if that fails, pops a couple of cylinders out...
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: kcl on 25 February 2010, 21:49:38
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TC on an Omega applies brake to spinning wheel? You sure? How is the pressure produced to the brake lines? I'm quite convinced it is only controlling the power on the engine  :-X
Post 1998, it uses the ABS ECU to apply the brake to spinning wheel.  Pre 1998 ones couldn't use this technique, as it did not have independent control of each rear wheel (was on a 3 channel ABS).

It applies brake, if that fails, pops a couple of cylinders out...

Ok, you obviously have some knowledge about the issue. But what generates the pressure to the lines without pressing the pedal? Still not convinced, but I'm very often wrong  :D
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: Andy B on 25 February 2010, 21:53:48
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But what generates the pressure to the lines without pressing the pedal? Still not convinced, but I'm very often wrong  :D

ABS pump!  :y
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: Lazydocker on 25 February 2010, 21:54:29
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lets also not forget your rather 'energetic driving style'  ::)
Unlike the rest of the retarded world, I cannot see the point in waiting for rush hour to finish before pulling out on a roundabout. Life is too short
You get that where you are too then, can clearly see nothing is coming, and people STILL have to stop at the roundabout  >:( >:( >:(

I need a bigger horn on the beemer, sat behind some dozy women who was waiting for the entire roundabout to be clear before she moved.

Horn sounded a bit wimpy  :-[  ;D

You're on 2 wheels and quicker off the mark... Go around :y :y

Oh... Hang on... You've probably not picked up some of the bad habits yet :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Traction Control and Rear pads
Post by: kcl on 25 February 2010, 21:57:40
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But what generates the pressure to the lines without pressing the pedal? Still not convinced, but I'm very often wrong  :D

ABS pump!  :y

Of course... :-[ I'll get my coat.... Too tired or something  :y