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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 19 May 2010, 21:49:18
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It's here!
Stag 300-6-plus, with 3d mapping and majic rail injectors
Looks like it's all there bar a few pipes. Only one thing I find odd. On the injector blocks, there are two connections for a gas feed. The main (10mm?) gas feed to the injectors, and at the other end of the block, there is a vaccum/4mm type connection... what's that all about? :-/
Also, observation - the injectors can't be "drilled" on these - there is two preset sizes - the normal size is quite bit... and you can screw an insert in, to reduce nozzle size... not sure how ideal that is for fine tuning... but the Mjet injectors are meant to be raved about....
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I've heard lots of good things about them :y :y
I reckon you need to stick the inserts in a box and try without to start with :y
Oh... And apparently the 3D mapping can be a right PITA to get right... Should have had a go when I did Tunnie's but the map looked so good I didn't bother ::)
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Is there not a blanking plug that can be put into the end of the fuel rail instead of the smaller hose barb? If not I would connect the two together with a length of hose.
Is the measurement tee the same as Teilo's kits? Just wondering if they are for the vapour pressure sensor?
I would regard the 3D map as a facility to tweak out any minor running problems in certain areas of the map.
You can still tune it as a 2D setup as a starting point, which is no less easy than on the older ECUs. 3D is then only required (if required) for fine tuning.
I would tune the 3D part of the map by watching the fuel trims on a Tech 2, TBH. I don't think you could achieve much tuning it by the seat of the pants.
Kevin
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anyone want to guess what i'm going to ask?
only need 1 guess i would think...
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no idea!
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.....And then he goes offline, and leaves us in suspense!!
cmon.......
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.....And then he goes offline, and leaves us in suspense!!
cmon.......
He'll be back as soon as his Nokia has re-booted. ;)
Kevin
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Is the measurement tee the same as Teilo's kits?
Yep :y
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.....And then he goes offline, and leaves us in suspense!!
cmon.......
He'll be back as soon as his Nokia has re-booted. ;)
Kevin
Will the upgraded kit sort the lag issue? Will it be genuine plug and play perfectly, or have you got to spend hours fiddling with settings?
...obviously time will tell. So come on James get cracking, want to know how it runs. ;) :)
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Will the upgraded kit sort the lag issue? Will it be genuine plug and play perfectly, or have you got to spend hours fiddling with settings?
1) I doubt it.
2) Yes. (you will have to spend hours...) ;)
It's actually the ECU we fitted to Jaime's car but didn't bother or need to fiddle with the 3D part.
By the time the lag occurs, the LPG injectors are fully open so I doubt more flexibility in the mapping will help, I'm afraid.
The fully "plug and play" ECU is Teilo's own development AIUI. He was looking for beta testers, though, according to Lazydocker. ;)
Kevin
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Right,
LPG tank ordered from tinleytech.
Toriodal, 70 litre tank. 650mm by 270mm.
Gone for a towbar filler.
All the pipes and fittings and connections you can shake a stick at, have also been ordered
This weekend, while awaiting a new petrol tank, I am going to do the backend and pipe run, and mount the Vap, and it's associated water connections :y
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Tank will involve creating a highish false floor to the boot - 7cm to be exact. Can live with that though, will still be plenty of dog/camping room
At 80% capacity, this tank will hold 56 litres in total.
This is 12.3 gallons
So, if I can get 23mpg, I will have a range of 282.9 miles, which is a decent compromise.
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like the sound of that...
So whats the 'bits bill' standing at then?
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like the sound of that...
So whats the 'bits bill' standing at then?
The entire conversion cost (excluding materials to make the raised floor) is standing at £700 :y
Based on petrol being 117.0 p per litre and an average of 30mpg = the cost of running on petrol is 17.9p a mile
Based on LPG being 60p per litre and an average of 23mpg = the cost of running on LPG is 11.9p per litre
This is a total saving of 6p per mile, therefore it will take 11,666 miles to break even :y
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it will take 11,666 miles to break even
Time to start a book on how many miles until it's up for sale? :D
;)
Kevin
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like the sound of that...
So whats the 'bits bill' standing at then?
The entire conversion cost (excluding materials to make the raised floor) is standing at £700 :y
Based on petrol being 117.0 p per litre and an average of 30mpg = the cost of running on petrol is 17.9p a mile
Based on LPG being 60p per litre and an average of 23mpg = the cost of running on LPG is 11.9p per litre
This is a total saving of 6p per mile, therefore it will take 11,666 miles to break even :y
James, have you been on some sort of illegal substance, you know, GLOY, or some sort, wheere can you get fuel @ £1.17?
£1.22 here now. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( and rising DAILY.
Bloody TORIES.
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i can get petrol for £1.15p a litre in central London today, drove past one :)
Fuel prices have nothing to do with Tories, Labour stuck 2p per litre on petrol when VAT was cut, but forgot to take back off when VAT went back to its normal rate ;)
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James, have you been on some sort of illegal substance, you know, GLOY, or some sort, wheere can you get fuel @ £1.17?
£1.22 here now. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( and rising DAILY.
Bloody TORIES.
Falling daily here since nulab were binned. ;). 1.16. Not that I care, given that my only petrol-consuming car is in bits. :'(
Kevin
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James, have you been on some sort of illegal substance, you know, GLOY, or some sort, wheere can you get fuel @ £1.17?
£1.22 here now. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( and rising DAILY.
Bloody TORIES.
Falling daily here since nulab were binned. ;). 1.16. Not that I care, given that my only petrol-consuming car is in bits. :'(
Kevin
Petrol and LPG haven't budged in price at all (although it did go up just before the election)... Wouldn't mind if LPG came down a bit ::)
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like the sound of that...
So whats the 'bits bill' standing at then?
The entire conversion cost (excluding materials to make the raised floor) is standing at £700 :y
Based on petrol being 117.0 p per litre and an average of 30mpg = the cost of running on petrol is 17.9p a mile
Based on LPG being 60p per litre and an average of 23mpg = the cost of running on LPG is 11.9p per litre
This is a total saving of 6p per mile, therefore it will take 11,666 miles to break even :y
i have always thought that you get the same mpg on gas as you do on petrol am i wrong in thinking this
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like the sound of that...
So whats the 'bits bill' standing at then?
The entire conversion cost (excluding materials to make the raised floor) is standing at £700 :y
Based on petrol being 117.0 p per litre and an average of 30mpg = the cost of running on petrol is 17.9p a mile
Based on LPG being 60p per litre and an average of 23mpg = the cost of running on LPG is 11.9p per litre
This is a total saving of 6p per mile, therefore it will take 11,666 miles to break even :y
i have always thought that you get the same mpg on gas as you do on petrol am i wrong in thinking this
Yes, its around 10-15% lower economy on gas compared to petrol, sometimes more. I used to get 30-34mpg on average from petrol, i get 24-27mpg on gas.
But its pence per mile which is important, mine is now 9 to 11p depending on driving
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like the sound of that...
So whats the 'bits bill' standing at then?
The entire conversion cost (excluding materials to make the raised floor) is standing at £700 :y
Based on petrol being 117.0 p per litre and an average of 30mpg = the cost of running on petrol is 17.9p a mile
Based on LPG being 60p per litre and an average of 23mpg = the cost of running on LPG is 11.9p per litre
This is a total saving of 6p per mile, therefore it will take 11,666 miles to break even :y
James, have you been on some sort of illegal substance, you know, GLOY, or some sort, wheere can you get fuel @ £1.17?
£1.22 here now. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( and rising DAILY.
Bloody TORIES.
Dropped to 115.9p at work. Sadly, the LPG station rose to 61.9p the other day :'(
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like the sound of that...
So whats the 'bits bill' standing at then?
The entire conversion cost (excluding materials to make the raised floor) is standing at £700 :y
Based on petrol being 117.0 p per litre and an average of 30mpg = the cost of running on petrol is 17.9p a mile
Based on LPG being 60p per litre and an average of 23mpg = the cost of running on LPG is 11.9p per litre
This is a total saving of 6p per mile, therefore it will take 11,666 miles to break even :y
i have always thought that you get the same mpg on gas as you do on petrol am i wrong in thinking this
In MPG terms, I used to get 25mpg on petrol. Now get around 20mpg on LPG. So thats 20% less in my book...
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like the sound of that...
So whats the 'bits bill' standing at then?
The entire conversion cost (excluding materials to make the raised floor) is standing at £700 :y
Based on petrol being 117.0 p per litre and an average of 30mpg = the cost of running on petrol is 17.9p a mile
Based on LPG being 60p per litre and an average of 23mpg = the cost of running on LPG is 11.9p per litre
This is a total saving of 6p per mile, therefore it will take 11,666 miles to break even :y
i have always thought that you get the same mpg on gas as you do on petrol am i wrong in thinking this
In MPG terms, I used to get 25mpg on petrol. Now get around 20mpg on LPG. So thats 20% less in my book...
That's about right from my experience.
Quick question.
Aside of the wiring to each individual LPG injector, there appears to be a pink and black pair of wires on each injector block - connected to the injector block itself, and not any specific injector.
It's not referenced on the wiring diagram - and I don't recall the Valtek units having them - any ideas?
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Aside of the wiring to each individual LPG injector, there appears to be a pink and black pair of wires on each injector block - connected to the injector block itself, and not any specific injector.
It's not referenced on the wiring diagram - and I don't recall the Valtek units having them - any ideas?
Probably vapour temperature sensor. Maybe you won't need that measurement Tee after all?
Kevin
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Aside of the wiring to each individual LPG injector, there appears to be a pink and black pair of wires on each injector block - connected to the injector block itself, and not any specific injector.
It's not referenced on the wiring diagram - and I don't recall the Valtek units having them - any ideas?
Probably vapour temperature sensor. Maybe you won't need that measurement Tee after all?
Kevin
Crossed my mind... although - there is one on each injector block - you wouldn't join them up, would you? :-/
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Crossed my mind... although - there is one on each injector block - you wouldn't join them up, would you? :-/
You'd just connect one, assuming that's what they are.
Kevin
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Crossed my mind... although - there is one on each injector block - you wouldn't join them up, would you? :-/
You'd just connect one, assuming that's what they are.
Kevin
Thanks Kev. That is my feeling too.... although, it won't look too professional having loose wires hanging from the other one :-/
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Tank will involve creating a highish false floor to the boot - 7cm to be exact. Can live with that though, will still be plenty of dog/camping room
At 80% capacity, this tank will hold 56 litres in total.
This is 12.3 gallons
So, if I can get 23mpg, I will have a range of 282.9 miles, which is a decent compromise.
have you given any thought to cutting out the bottom of the spare wheel well so that the tank could be mounted lower thus saving the loadspace or is it more work than creating a false floor
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Tank will involve creating a highish false floor to the boot - 7cm to be exact. Can live with that though, will still be plenty of dog/camping room
At 80% capacity, this tank will hold 56 litres in total.
This is 12.3 gallons
So, if I can get 23mpg, I will have a range of 282.9 miles, which is a decent compromise.
have you given any thought to cutting out the bottom of the spare wheel well so that the tank could be mounted lower thus saving the loadspace or is it more work than creating a false floor
How close is the tank to the underside of the wheel well though?
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How close is the tank to the underside of the wheel well though?
Very close. It was tight even getting LPG lines through the bottom of the well on Marie's car. Any mod to the wheel well would certainly require the petrol tank to either be lowered by spaced away from the floor of the car, or the fitting of a smaller tank.
Anyone any good at plastic welding? Just wondering if a "cut and shut" would work. ;D
Kevin
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The tank fitting starts this evening, after work.
Tinleytech have told me it will be delivered today.
My plan is to get all the rear-end stuff and pipe work done, while the fuel tank is still off - then mount the tank, and do the front-end at leisure.
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James...I've got some nice Copex tubing for pipework protection here if you want some??
Probably got about 30ft or so, in grey.
PM me and I'll give you new address, etc.
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Cheers Mike.... for once in my life, I am organised, and I have some protecting sheath for where the gas line may chafe :y
Tank has arrived. Now cannot wait to finish work, and set about making a start on my LPG :y
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HOORAY!!!
Get into any trouble, mate, just ring me. Free this evening (I Think...) and I'll bring you up whatever.....
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I have given some consideration, to the possibility of a twin tank setup - as Range is really quite important to me.
I found with the 55l capacity before (in the Astra) I was regularly running out and having to use petrol.
Forget load carrying issues (it's not why I have an estate) What would the view be on using a cylinder tank, in conjunction with a donut?
Tinleytech say it's fine, and that the different tank types don't matter. I think all I'd need, would be the non-return T's. Thoughts?
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HOORAY!!!
Get into any trouble, mate, just ring me. Free this evening (I Think...) and I'll bring you up whatever.....
You're a Pal :y
I'm only really making a start / pottering about with it, over the evenings - making a filler bracket and such.... it's next weekend, when conversion will be in full swing :y
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JAMES,
spoken to MJR (my local tank makers and fitters) they tell me that you CAN use a twin tank setup, and an electric switchover is used, with 2x non-return valves a-la jag tanks of long ago.
They have used it in a couple of cases, you need a 12v activated A-B tee, available from Pirtek or similar.
they reckon the toroidal tank at 80l and tubular at 80l will give you 135l total capacity, good for a long range!!
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JAMES,
spoken to MJR (my local tank makers and fitters) they tell me that you CAN use a twin tank setup, and an electric switchover is used, with 2x non-return valves a-la jag tanks of long ago.
They have used it in a couple of cases, you need a 12v activated A-B tee, available from Pirtek or similar.
they reckon the toroidal tank at 80l and tubular at 80l will give you 135l total capacity, good for a long range!!
Cheers Mike
I'd have thought that the solenoids could just be wired in parallell - the same way the front end and rear end ones are?
Using that method, and the non return T's - the tanks won't be attempting to equalise, and will give a consistent feed to the vaporisor?
:y
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That makes sense to me, I think thats how I would do it myself, but I would also want some sort of tank level/capacity level too, therefore i would do it like they say, so my car could have two guages/l.e.d levels for reference.
Having said that, if you only had one guage, and wired in parrallel, how would you know which tank was empty?? so perhaps they are right.
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That makes sense to me, I think thats how I would do it myself, but I would also want some sort of tank level/capacity level too, therefore i would do it like they say, so my car could have two guages/l.e.d levels for reference.
Having said that, if you only had one guage, and wired in parrallel, how would you know which tank was empty?? so perhaps they are right.
To be honest, I never use fuel level gauges with LPG. They're not the most accurate thing in the world - I tend to base it on mileage :y
As long as the engine can "get the gas" and it's safe, then I'm happy :D
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That makes sense to me, I think thats how I would do it myself, but I would also want some sort of tank level/capacity level too, therefore i would do it like they say, so my car could have two guages/l.e.d levels for reference.
Having said that, if you only had one guage, and wired in parrallel, how would you know which tank was empty?? so perhaps they are right.
To be honest, I never use fuel level gauges with LPG. They're not the most accurate thing in the world - I tend to base it on mileage :y
As long as the engine can "get the gas" and it's safe, then I'm happy :D
But are the insurance/LPGA etc
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That makes sense to me, I think thats how I would do it myself, but I would also want some sort of tank level/capacity level too, therefore i would do it like they say, so my car could have two guages/l.e.d levels for reference.
Having said that, if you only had one guage, and wired in parrallel, how would you know which tank was empty?? so perhaps they are right.
To be honest, I never use fuel level gauges with LPG. They're not the most accurate thing in the world - I tend to base it on mileage :y
As long as the engine can "get the gas" and it's safe, then I'm happy :D
But are the insurance/LPGA etc
Course they are - where does COP state the need for a fuel gauge? :y
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That makes sense to me, I think thats how I would do it myself, but I would also want some sort of tank level/capacity level too, therefore i would do it like they say, so my car could have two guages/l.e.d levels for reference.
Having said that, if you only had one guage, and wired in parrallel, how would you know which tank was empty?? so perhaps they are right.
To be honest, I never use fuel level gauges with LPG. They're not the most accurate thing in the world - I tend to base it on mileage :y
As long as the engine can "get the gas" and it's safe, then I'm happy :D
But are the insurance/LPGA etc
Course they are - where does COP state the need for a fuel gauge? :y
I was referring to the valve arrangements etc to join the 2...
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Just to add - although you have highlighted that statement... it was referring solely to the fuel level sender configuration.
Trust me - the complete install will comply with LPGA Code of Practice and be totally safe (undoubtedly moreso than some "professional" installs - Danny's old Elite comes to mind!
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That makes sense to me, I think thats how I would do it myself, but I would also want some sort of tank level/capacity level too, therefore i would do it like they say, so my car could have two guages/l.e.d levels for reference.
Having said that, if you only had one guage, and wired in parrallel, how would you know which tank was empty?? so perhaps they are right.
To be honest, I never use fuel level gauges with LPG. They're not the most accurate thing in the world - I tend to base it on mileage :y
As long as the engine can "get the gas" and it's safe, then I'm happy :D
But are the insurance/LPGA etc
Course they are - where does COP state the need for a fuel gauge? :y
I was referring to the valve arrangements etc to join the 2...
Gotcha...
I would need to double check, although I am sure the only requirement in the COP, is for non-return T's to be used :y
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GRANTED, but I personally would be hard pressed to "remember" when you fuelled tank A, or tank B, or how many miles did you do yesterday, and on which tank, and when does it need filling again, seeing as you can only fill one tank at a time at a garage, better you have SOME idea whats in what tank????
Can't actually find a COP requirement for a guage, but surely SOME idea is better than NO idea?
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GRANTED, but I personally would be hard pressed to "remember" when you fuelled tank A, or tank B, or how many miles did you do yesterday, and on which tank, and when does it need filling again, seeing as you can only fill one tank at a time at a garage, better you have SOME idea whats in what tank????
Can't actually find a COP requirement for a guage, but surely SOME idea is better than NO idea?
You wouldn't fill them seperately - they would be both joined to the same filler - it would basically be treated as one tank :y
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That makes sense to me, I think thats how I would do it myself, but I would also want some sort of tank level/capacity level too, therefore i would do it like they say, so my car could have two guages/l.e.d levels for reference.
Having said that, if you only had one guage, and wired in parrallel, how would you know which tank was empty?? so perhaps they are right.
To be honest, I never use fuel level gauges with LPG. They're not the most accurate thing in the world - I tend to base it on mileage :y
As long as the engine can "get the gas" and it's safe, then I'm happy :D
If you have twin tanks, the lower of the two will empty last. Presumably this will be the donut tank in the boot floor so worst case, if you hook up this level gauge you will get some warning when running low. It will sit at "max" while the higher tank empties, then start to descend as the lower tank empties.
You might be able to wire the two sensors in series to get a better indication, but this depends on them being exactly the same type, and the ECU adjustment having enough range to cope with a sensor of double the resistance.
You will need non-return tees where the feeds from the tanks join and, IIRC, you need to protect the remaining length of fuel line with some sort of relief valve as it will not be able to vent back into one of the tanks if it overpressurises. I might be wrong on that, though. :-/
Kevin
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Reckon you are correct, Kevin. Also, you may have to fit a "blow-off" valve of some kind for overpressure??
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Reckon you are correct, Kevin. Also, you may have to fit a "blow-off" valve of some kind for overpressure??
I believe it depends on the volume of liquid that can be contained. Above a certain limit a blow-off valve will be required. :y
EDIT: I will have a look how the winches at the gliding club have been plumbed if I remember. They have 2x100 litre tanks and the top one very definitely empties first (and fast, on an 8.2 litre lump with a mixer system). ;D
Kevin
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I had a three tank set up on the Rangie... Twin Sill Tanks and an 80L Cylinder in the boot.
Only requirement in the COP is that both the fill and empty lines are joined (If joined) with non-return Tees :y
As for filling/emptying order... IME it varies depending on the day of the week and/or what mood it's in ::) But it works :y :y
Just bear in mind though that most LPG pumps will be set to cut out at either £100/100L (normally the latter) and you'll have to start a fresh fill (and transaction) to fill the rest. This was a right royal PITA unless the staff a) Had their heads screwed on or b) Knew you ::)
Oh... And it takes even longer >:(
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Reckon you are correct, Kevin. Also, you may have to fit a "blow-off" valve of some kind for overpressure??
Think the valves fitted to the tanks are sufficient to comply with the COP :y
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Tank mounted :y
Ok, this donut tank is mahhosive, I had to do a couple of very subtle mods to get it in the spare wheel well ... but it is in.
Have drilled the holes for the securing bolts, and for the gas tight tube, all aligned lovely.
There is, a very small amount of movement... simply because the entire wheel well moves a tad, but it is absolutely safe and secure.
Doesn't sound like a lot, but with rust protecting, and making a nice tidy job, it takes a little time. Spent 3 hours on it tonight - 6 till 9pm.
Tomorrow I'll play with things like filler mounting to the towbar, and start looking at the pipe runs.
If I can get the rear end kit mounted in the evenings this week, then, I can concentrate purely on the front end, over the bank hol weekend :y
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this 8.2 litre lump would,nt happen to be a cadillac motor would it?
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this 8.2 litre lump would,nt happen to be a cadillac motor would it?
Mr Sassanach!
Good to see you around - hope all is well in your neck of the woods? :y
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this 8.2 litre lump would,nt happen to be a cadillac motor would it?
This is the beastie:
(http://94.136.39.30:81/skylaunch/images/EngineBay.jpg)
They are certainly GM. I believe they are marine spec 502 big blocks.
Kevin
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Filler now mounted.
It's a box type filler, mounted to the towbar.
It's not your usual towbar though, so I had to fabricate a bracket from a strip of steel.
Looks very tidy... and blends with the towbar setup... you would have to really know your stuff to know it's LPG :y
Time to think about pipe runs, tomorrow.... :y
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Oh, and that big black rubber pipe in the foreground passing over the rocker cover and disappearing off to the left of the engine is the vapour feed from vapouriser to mixer. As thick as some engines' heater hoses. ;D
Kevin
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Ah, Crap :(
Multivalve snags, tonight.
The filler aspect of the valve is fine - but being a toriodal tank the outlet is quite close to the inner wall of the tank, and requires an elbow. Well I screwed the elbow in - but with the poly adaptor, it needed to move just a couple of degrees clockwise.
I nipped up the elbow - honestly quite gently - and the barsteward thing has broken off in the multivalve.
I just hope it comes out with an easy-out, otherwise, it's new multivalve time :'(
Bah!
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Ah, Crap :(
Multivalve snags, tonight.
The filler aspect of the valve is fine - but being a toriodal tank the outlet is quite close to the inner wall of the tank, and requires an elbow. Well I screwed the elbow in - but with the poly adaptor, it needed to move just a couple of degrees clockwise.
I nipped up the elbow - honestly quite gently - and the barsteward thing has broken off in the multivalve.I just hope it comes out with an easy-out, otherwise, it's new multivalve time :'(
Bah!
Nothing goes right for you when you fix your cars :(
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It's a pain in the t!ts ... nevermind.. keep smiling :D
Maria... where are those eazi-outs? :y
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It's a pain in the t!ts ... nevermind.. keep smiling :D
Maria... where are those eazi-outs? :y
dont what a eazi-outs is ::)
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It's a pain in the t!ts ... nevermind.. keep smiling :D
Maria... where are those eazi-outs? :y
dont what a eazi-outs is ::)
They are the things we went and bought from the tool shop in canton, when I had to remove that spark plug from the Astra....
... if it helps Jog your memory, it was the day all those armed police stopped us getting back down the road :D
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(http://images.esellerpro.com/2176/I/318/3/da70.jpg)
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Yeah i remember now but i dont know where you put them i know you put them up but where i dont know ::)
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i wouldnt trust those kits as far as i could throw them, im a fully qualified lpg fitted.
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Yeah i remember now but i dont know where you put them i know you put them up but where i dont know ::)
Can you have a look please my dear? It'd save me buying a new set.
If they are at yours, I'll come down tomorrow night and get them.... we can go out for a drink or something :-*
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i wouldnt trust those kits as far as i could throw them, im a fully qualified lpg fitted.
What kits?
What do you mean by fully qualified? Can you be partially qualified, then? :D
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ok. I'll go and have a look for you babe :-*
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all the cheap @ss kits you get, yes you could be partially qualified :P
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all the cheap @ss kits you get, yes you could be partially qualified :P
Well, FYI mate, a number of us here have installed and used the Stag kits, over a number of miles, all with excellent results. So, in my view - the results speak for themselves.
I just had a look at your profile.... you've done pretty well to be fully LPG qualified at the age of 20.
What steps did you have to take, to get certified - do you work for a well known LPG installation company?
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i used to work for the best lpg company in the north of scotland (but the boss past away) i was traind there and got certified at autogas 2000ltd (north yorkshire) for a few systems, than went to wales to greenfuel and got qualified with brc, and then again with autogas 2000 i went over to italy to research tartarini. so yes i have bone quite alot even if i am only 20. i have fitted many gas systems and know what works and what doesnt, i had a guy who installed one of those stag systems in his car and it was g@ash and i had to re install the whole system again.
what kind of tank have you got in the boot?
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James just had a good look for them and i cant find them :-* :-*
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i used to work for the best lpg company in the north of scotland (but the boss past away) i was traind there and got certified at autogas 2000ltd (north yorkshire) for a few systems, than went to wales to greenfuel and got qualified with brc, and then again with autogas 2000 i went over to italy to research tartarini. so yes i have bone quite alot even if i am only 20. i have fitted many gas systems and know what works and what doesnt, i had a guy who installed one of those stag systems in his car and it was g@ash and i had to re install the whole system again.
what kind of tank have you got in the boot?
Fair enough mate. Well I'm sure your experience and training is a credit to you - genuinely - well done :y
I will stand up for the fact though, that loads of us have used this stag kit, with absolutely no problem and great results.
I can think of
My 2.5 V6 CDX
My 2.0 CD
Kev's 3.2 MV6
Jaime's MV6
Marie's 2.0 CD Estate
Lazydocker - V6
Chrisgixer - V6
... the list goes on.
Between us we have racked up tens of thousands of miles plus on the stag kits, and have never, ever, had a serious problem
I'd imagine your mate may have just been a one off, unlucky experience?
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thanx it is a pain to do but i have certs for about 10+ systems.
to be honest he wasnt my mate he was a total idiot but hey ho.
well done on installing the system. hope it all goes alright for you.
can i just ask u a few questions about it?
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thanx it is a pain to do but i have certs for about 10+ systems.
to be honest he wasnt my mate he was a total idiot but hey ho.
well done on installing the system. hope it all goes alright for you.
can i just ask u a few questions about it?
Ask away, mate. None of us (that I know of) are formally qualified, but There is tonnes of Stag experience on here :y
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James just had a good look for them and i cant find them :-* :-*
Well are you going to answer me and what you asked me to do :question
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just wondering what size of injectors u got? what size of copper gas line you used and is it a 4 hole tank you got?
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just wondering what size of injectors u got? what size of copper gas line you used and is it a 4 hole tank you got?
My current tank is a single hole toriodal - although between us we've used mixture of 4 hole / toriodal all with great results.
I'm using 6mm polyflex hose for the main pipe run, and 8mm for the filler.
In my experience, this maintains a consistent gas pressure at the vaporisor, certainly on the 2.5.
For a V6, we usually size the injectors around 2.7mm.
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im just away to upgrade the gas system in my omega since i only got it a couple of months ago
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im just away to upgrade the gas system in my omega since i only got it a couple of months ago
Good luck :y
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god that must take ages to fill at the pumps doesnt it? i prefer stako 4 hole tanks as if anything foes wrong only 1 part needs changed. im using 3mm nossils on my v6 just to improve performance to stop the jutter (some cars get)
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god that must take ages to fill at the pumps doesnt it? i prefer stako 4 hole tanks as if anything foes wrong only 1 part needs changed. im using 3mm nossils on my v6 just to improve performance to stop the jutter (some cars get)
To be honest, only a small number of pumps can dispense at a decent speed anyway, so I just grin and bear it :D
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i suppose when you are getting the fuel for 1/2 the price who cares home long it takes to fill ;D, how u getting on with ur instilation?
im trying to finish off a jeep atm.
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i suppose when you are getting the fuel for 1/2 the price who cares home long it takes to fill ;D, how u getting on with you are instilation?
im trying to finish off a jeep atm.
That's the spirit :D
Mine's going OK. Tank is nicely mounted, and now all gas tight vents sorted.
Need to sort out an elbow for the multivalve, and then connect that up.
From there, it's just the front end, so get a coolant feed from the bridge, to Vap, and back to HBV... drill and tap the manifold for the nozzles, and general plumbing / electrickery :y
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awell good luck mate, this the first one you have done?
im just away to upgrade my system to sgi so should give it a little more power and better mpg :).
right im away for a cruise lol. ill talk later cya bud
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Well that was a good result you Guys! You left the Arena actually shaking Hands, which is always the best way!! ::) I'm not sure Maria will let you off so lightlly though James? :o I reckon she could find a good use for those extractors other than they were designed for!!!? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Well that was a good result you Guys! You left the Arena actually shaking Hands, which is always the best way!! ::) I'm not sure Maria will let you off so lightlly though James? :o I reckon she could find a good use for those extractors other than they were designed for!!!? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Cheeky bugger :P
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It is all my fault - my previous car had a system fitted but it never ran properly, wiriing shorted out and the ECU was in the air box.
It got rolled.
I diy fitted the kit into my current car about 4 years ago, took 4 weekends working carefully.
Romano System N
Needs a new evaporator.
Plastic fast injectors.
Intake is via long straws through the plenum into the inlet manifold.
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Well that was a good result you Guys! You left the Arena actually shaking Hands, which is always the best way!! ::) I'm not sure Maria will let you off so lightlly though James? :o I reckon she could find a good use for those extractors other than they were designed for!!!? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Thats if i find them and what a good thought as james not been at mine all week ;D ;D
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Well that was a good result you Guys! You left the Arena actually shaking Hands, which is always the best way!! ::) I'm not sure Maria will let you off so lightlly though James? :o I reckon she could find a good use for those extractors other than they were designed for!!!? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Cheeky bugger :P
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Crikey! I hope I haven't caused any Offence Maria? That's the last thing I would do!! It was a 'tongue in cheek ' remark 'cos James had bypassed you to talk to the other guy? :-[
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Well that was a good result you Guys! You left the Arena actually shaking Hands, which is always the best way!! ::) I'm not sure Maria will let you off so lightlly though James? :o I reckon she could find a good use for those extractors other than they were designed for!!!? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Cheeky bugger :P
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Crikey! I hope I haven't caused any Offence Maria? That's the last thing I would do!! It was a 'tongue in cheek ' remark 'cos James had bypassed you to talk to the other guy? :-[
No you have'nt caused any offence, i dont mind a laugh and and bit of bannter, I'm easy going when it comes to people having a laugh :y
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Good Sport! :y :y :y
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Well that was a good result you Guys! You left the Arena actually shaking Hands, which is always the best way!! ::)
People can express different opinious courteously.. ;) :y
I'm not sure Maria will let you off so lightlly though James? :o I reckon she could find a good use for those extractors other than they were designed for!!!? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Agggh..... the very thought makes me... erm... feel rather unpleasant ;D
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Well that was a good result you Guys! You left the Arena actually shaking Hands, which is always the best way!! ::)
People can express different opinious courteously.. ;) :y
I'm not sure Maria will let you off so lightlly though James? :o I reckon she could find a good use for those extractors other than they were designed for!!!? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Agggh..... the very thought makes me... erm... feel rather unpleasant ;D
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mmmm really ;D ;D ;D but i know differant ::) ;D ;D
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Well that was a good result you Guys! You left the Arena actually shaking Hands, which is always the best way!! ::)
People can express different opinious courteously.. ;) :y
I'm not sure Maria will let you off so lightlly though James? :o I reckon she could find a good use for those extractors other than they were designed for!!!? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Agggh..... the very thought makes me... erm... feel rather unpleasant ;D
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mmmm really ;D ;D ;D but i know differant ::) ;D ;D
Hmm, yes dear, three bags full dear... :y
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Well that was a good result you Guys! You left the Arena actually shaking Hands, which is always the best way!! ::)
People can express different opinious courteously.. ;) :y
I'm not sure Maria will let you off so lightlly though James? :o I reckon she could find a good use for those extractors other than they were designed for!!!? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Agggh..... the very thought makes me... erm... feel rather unpleasant ;D
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mmmm really ;D ;D ;D but i know differant ::) ;D ;D
Hmm, yes dear, three bags full dear... :y
It wont be yes dear three bags full dear when you want my body
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Well that was a good result you Guys! You left the Arena actually shaking Hands, which is always the best way!! ::)
People can express different opinious courteously.. ;) :y
I'm not sure Maria will let you off so lightlly though James? :o I reckon she could find a good use for those extractors other than they were designed for!!!? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Agggh..... the very thought makes me... erm... feel rather unpleasant ;D
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mmmm really ;D ;D ;D but i know differant ::) ;D ;D
Hmm, yes dear, three bags full dear... :y
It wont be yes dear three bags full dear when you want my body
I think ... this conversation has just about gone as far as it should, on open forum.... especially whereas your body, my body, and easi-outs are concerned :D :y
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Give over you two! I need a good nights uninterupted sleep this week & I was hoping it would be tonight! ;D ;D ::)
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Well that was a good result you Guys! You left the Arena actually shaking Hands, which is always the best way!! ::)
People can express different opinious courteously.. ;) :y
I'm not sure Maria will let you off so lightlly though James? :o I reckon she could find a good use for those extractors other than they were designed for!!!? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Agggh..... the very thought makes me... erm... feel rather unpleasant ;D
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mmmm really ;D ;D ;D but i know differant ::) ;D ;D
Hmm, yes dear, three bags full dear... :y
It wont be yes dear three bags full dear when you want my body
I think ... this conversation has just about gone as far as it should, on open forum.... especially whereas your body, my body, and easi-outs are concerned :D :y
Ok I'll say no more on the matter as you said it being an open forum ;D ;D :y
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Give over you two! I need a good nights uninterupted sleep this week & I was hoping it would be tonight! ;D ;D ::)
On second thoughts, this thread just became 'required viewing', so please carry on at your leisure ::) ;)
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Give over you two! I need a good nights uninterupted sleep this week & I was hoping it would be tonight! ;D ;D ::)
Well you can have your uninterupted sleep cause there is not going to be no more said about easi- outs :y
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Give over you two! I need a good nights uninterupted sleep this week & I was hoping it would be tonight! ;D ;D ::)
On second thoughts, this thread just became 'required viewing', so please carry on at your leisure ::) ;)
I'm not aloud to carry on as it's an open forum so i have been told ;D
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So get the kettle on, then... :-*
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So get the kettle on, then... :-*
why put the kettle on your not here so there's not point in making a drink i got a coke so i dont need too and why dont you go and do something like put the kettle on :P
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I have heard tell , that 'telephone *e*' is quite exciting & a nice diversion from the 'norn' with added plus that no-one else knows knows what's going on?......apart from everyone at the 'exchange, that is? but who cares when you're in Love? ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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I have heard tell , that 'telephone *e*' is quite exciting & a nice diversion from the 'norn' with added plus that no-one else knows knows what's going on?......apart from everyone at the 'exchange, that is? but who cares when you're in Love? ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Exactly, thats what i say :)
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I have heard tell , that 'telephone *e*' is quite exciting & a nice diversion from the 'norn' with added plus that no-one else knows knows what's going on?......apart from everyone at the 'exchange, that is? but who cares when you're in Love? ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Exactly, thats what i say :)
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Ahhhhhh, then all's right with the world & his wife, I can sleep easy? ;D :y
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It is all my fault - my previous car had a system fitted but it never ran properly, wiriing shorted out and the ECU was in the air box.
It got rolled.
I diy fitted the kit into my current car about 4 years ago, took 4 weekends working carefully.
Romano System N
Needs a new evaporator.
Plastic fast injectors.
Intake is via long straws through the plenum into the inlet manifold.
would you like any parts? i have access to alot? where about do you stay?
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It is all my fault - my previous car had a system fitted but it never ran properly, wiriing shorted out and the ECU was in the air box.
It got rolled.
I diy fitted the kit into my current car about 4 years ago, took 4 weekends working carefully.
Romano System N
Needs a new evaporator.
Plastic fast injectors.
Intake is via long straws through the plenum into the inlet manifold.
would you like any parts? i have access to alot? where about do you stay?
Thanks
Only really need the evaporator.
And find out why it won't run WOT on gas
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And find out why it won't run WOT on gas
Do you have the tuning software for that ECU?
Can you watch the vapour pressure on a full throttle run and see if it's holding up?
Kevin
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i have the software for romano systems. where in the uk are you based?
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And find out why it won't run WOT on gas
Do you have the tuning software for that ECU?
Can you watch the vapour pressure on a full throttle run and see if it's holding up?
Kevin
Yes but my mains extension lead is too short.
It is flow related, car drops to petrol on full throttle.
No adjustment on evap.
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Yes but my mains extension lead is too short.
It is flow related, car drops to petrol on full throttle.
No adjustment on evap.
If it drops to petrol it's probably due to low vapour pressure so vapouriser or something feeding it can't supply enough fuel.
If vapour pressure looks OK live while hoofing it it points to the injectors not flowing enough.
Kevin
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Yes but my mains extension lead is too short.
It is flow related, car drops to petrol on full throttle.
No adjustment on evap.
If it drops to petrol it's probably due to low vapour pressure so vapouriser or something feeding it can't supply enough fuel.
If vapour pressure looks OK live while hoofing it it points to the injectors not flowing enough.
Kevin
it will all depend on the size of injectors size of the copper pipe (from tank to regulator) and the regulator presure. also have you tried changing the inline gas filter?
andy
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Well fair shout to tinleytech, they are sending the correct item out to me FOC...
Let's just hope I can get this broken remains out the valve, tonight ::)
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Well fair shout to tinleytech, they are sending the correct item out to me FOC...
Let's just hope I can get this broken remains out the valve, tonight ::)
goodluck tonight then james. :) :y
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Yes but my mains extension lead is too short.
It is flow related, car drops to petrol on full throttle.
No adjustment on evap.
If it drops to petrol it's probably due to low vapour pressure so vapouriser or something feeding it can't supply enough fuel.
If vapour pressure looks OK live while hoofing it it points to the injectors not flowing enough.
Kevin
it will all depend on the size of injectors size of the copper pipe (from tank to regulator) and the regulator presure. also have you tried changing the inline gas filter?
andy
6mm pipe, no filter, injectors are SUPPOSED to be good enough, before the 3.0 cams I had to lean off on WOT to prevent switching - this was the advice from AGWW
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Yes but my mains extension lead is too short.
It is flow related, car drops to petrol on full throttle.
No adjustment on evap.
If it drops to petrol it's probably due to low vapour pressure so vapouriser or something feeding it can't supply enough fuel.
If vapour pressure looks OK live while hoofing it it points to the injectors not flowing enough.
Kevin
it will all depend on the size of injectors size of the copper pipe (from tank to regulator) and the regulator presure. also have you tried changing the inline gas filter?
andy
6mm pipe, no filter, injectors are SUPPOSED to be good enough, before the 3.0 cams I had to lean off on WOT to prevent switching - this was the advice from AGWW
alright well my omega is running 8mm gasline and has 2 inline filters and 3.0mm injectors. this is nothing against you, but what i have found is the gas in the south is dirtier than the gas in the north and it is recomended that you chage your gas filter every 15kmiles, but as you dont have one there could be a clog up. When was the system installed and how many miles have you done with it? it could be cutting off due to a worn diaphram or there could be a build up of gunk in ur regulator or injectors, Is the system a single or multipoint injection system?
andy
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5 year old Romano system N SGI
Never had a filter on the original filter AGWW say one is not required, Evap has been cleaned a couple of times, getting on a bit and will need replacement.
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Every gas system needs a filter.