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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: v6fletch on 17 July 2010, 14:06:21
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before the omega i owned 2 mondeos , never did anything to them other than routine work for mots,so decided to buy a "supposed " "executive type of comfort car" in the omega and what a waste of time and money it has been. i hate the thing with venom , its spent more time in the garage than in my drive . ive worked my backside off for years and thought that after years of driving mundane runabouts id try something nice , comfortable and to show for the years of hard graft.Instead im having to graft harder to pay for repairs ....every other fortnight !!!! i knew i should have stayed a Ford driver, maybe boring and plain but at least theyre more reliable than the griffin badge piece if dog droppings i have the sufference of now owning !!!!! Vauxhall ?????? never again !!!!!!!!!!!!
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whats gone wrong now then :o
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same oil leak from cam covers, im having the head changed on the side playing up . if that doesnt sort the problem then it shall be taking a swim in the nearest lake .
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same oil leak from cam covers, im having the head changed on the side playing up . if that doesnt sort the problem then it shall be taking a swim in the nearest lake .
:D sorry, couldnt resist.
cant see the head being the problem with leaky cam covers though.
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before the omega i owned 2 mondeos , never did anything to them other than routine work for mots,so decided to buy a "supposed " "executive type of comfort car" in the omega and what a waste of time and money it has been. i hate the thing with venom , its spent more time in the garage than in my drive . ive worked my backside off for years and thought that after years of driving mundane runabouts id try something nice , comfortable and to show for the years of hard graft.Instead im having to graft harder to pay for repairs ....every other fortnight !!!! i knew i should have stayed a Ford driver, maybe boring and plain but at least theyre more reliable than the griffin badge piece if dog droppings i have the sufference of now owning !!!!! Vauxhall ?????? never again !!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like you've got a bad one then Fletch :( :(
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its using about a pint of water evry fortnight , no water in the oil or temp probs but waters going somewhere, if the head has a slight warp it would cause oil from cam cover .
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its using about a pint of water evry fortnight , no water in the oil or temp probs but waters going somewhere, if the head has a slight warp it would cause oil from cam cover .
could be, & maybe the head gasket is on its way out too. not good.
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everything else is fine , its just this mind numbing pocket emptying problem of the nearside cam cover not leaking but " vomiting " oil everywhere,its happening two weeks after being done an its getting worse. cover was changed last time, every other week the breathers are being checked so its NOT THAT an the next person who says "its the breathers" will be wearing them as a hat >:( :'( im beginning to despair
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Is it the same person thats changed the camcover gaskets the last few times?
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yep the same one :'(
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I feel your pain >:( >:( >:(
This is my second Omega and should have learrn't from the first :-/
Mine is begining to need a few bits done and they just seem to keep coming .. a/c not working with a leak somewhere.... wishbones needing done and what a pain they seem to be trying to find somewhere to get the geometry done afterwards .... rear discs etc .
I wish i could afford to change it for something else but i cant :'( :'( :'(
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Cam cover gaskets are quite an art to get seated and sealed. If someone is putting them on without special care, they will leak like mad. I'm not going to say "breathers" because mine were absolutely spotless when my gaskets filled the plug-holes with oil.
As for water leak; the oil-cooler is my main suspect if you can't see water under the car. The trouble is the water sits in the "V" and evaporates with engine heat.
I would NOT suspect warped head.
I've had both these problems and sorted them myself. They should stay done if correctly tackled.
I hope you solve it.
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yep the same one :'(
How does this sound. Buy some new genuine gaskets and bring the car to me, i'll fit them and if it cures the leak then you can pay me, if it doesn't cure the leak there will be no charge ;)
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yep the same one :'(
How does this sound. Buy some new genuine gaskets and bring the car to me, i'll fit them and if it cures the leak then you can pay me, if it doesn't cure the leak there will be no charge ;)
Pete you're a star mate :y :y :y
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What a great offer Pete :P
I wish there was someone like you in the North East.
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yep the same one :'(
How does this sound. Buy some new genuine gaskets and bring the car to me, i'll fit them and if it cures the leak then you can pay me, if it doesn't cure the leak there will be no charge ;)
that sounds fair! :y :y :y
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ile definately bear it in mind , many thanks, only problem is when they go,they go BIG style, james bond would be proud of the smoke trail.im going to see what happens when it comes back from the garage this time, im hoping and praying it will hav cured it
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yep the same one :'(
How does this sound. Buy some new genuine gaskets and bring the car to me, i'll fit them and if it cures the leak then you can pay me, if it doesn't cure the leak there will be no charge ;)
8-) 8-) :-* :-* :-* :y
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ile definately bear it in mind , many thanks, only problem is when they go,they go BIG style, james bond would be proud of the smoke trail.im going to see what happens when it comes back from the garage this time, im hoping and praying it will hav cured it
Can someone explain how changing the head will stop a cam cover leak?
Unfortunately I think you've fallen victim of a very poor mechanic. Suspect pattern seals or poor fitting tbh.
Get it away from your garage and take it to Pete. He knows his onions, and melons as well. :y
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I must say it does sound like you have fallen foul of a poor mechanic.
I have had 5 omegas over the past 7 years, and the only real issues I've had that have prevented me driving are:
MV6 - cranksensor - European Breakdown delivered car home.
TD Elite - ripped sump plug out at 80mph during some spirited driving ::). Mrs TB towed me home.
2.5 v6 Elite - something odd related to cyl 6 after a high speed run ::). Tunnie towed me home.
Everything else I have done to the car has been servicing and preventative maintenence.
Every Omega I've had, I would be more than happy to have, for example, driving to South of France (and is some cases did)
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Can someone explain how changing the head will stop a cam cover leak?
Just what I was wondering. There's no way on earth a head could warp enough to cause the cam covers to leak so you'll be wasting your time changing heads.
Sounds like some diagnosis is required. Find out where it is leaking and sort it. If it's cam covers again, it points to poor fitting or poor gaskets used. If it's somewhere else it points to poor diagnosis before carrying out the previous work.
So yes, poor mechanic is what it's pointing to IMHO. I'd take Pete up on his offer. :y
Kevin
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Hang on.. pint of water every fortnight... Is it leaking water or oil?
Kevin
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Can someone explain how changing the head will stop a cam cover leak?
Chips/damage to mating surface is all I can think of, but would be immediately obvious with visual inspection :-/
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hello kevin, its leaking water from somewhere ,not used a drop of oil since ive had it, only the bit it burns on the manifolds.
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hello kevin, its leaking water from somewhere ,not used a drop of oil since ive had it, only the bit it burns on the manifolds.
Ok. Favourite for water leaks is the heater bypass valve. Just behind the driver's side cylinder head. :y
Kevin
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hello kevin, its leaking water from somewhere ,not used a drop of oil since ive had it, only the bit it burns on the manifolds.
Sorry, have I misunderstood? I thought this was leaking oil from cam cover gaskets :o
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same oil leak from cam covers, im having the head changed on the side playing up . if that doesnt sort the problem then it shall be taking a swim in the nearest lake .
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same oil leak from cam covers, im having the head changed on the side playing up . if that doesnt sort the problem then it shall be taking a swim in the nearest lake .
:-/
I think someone has got a little mixed up.. :-?
If your Cam Cover Gaskets were leaking you would have an oil leak not a water leak.
If it is water you are leaking there are several places with the first point of call being the HBV :y
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Possibly two problems? But as said, needs diagnosing correctly.
A look at his last 25 posts reveals seals and cam cover replaced and still leaking by the sound of it.
Also reveals a "qualified vauxhall fitter" doing the work apparently.......
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there are 2 problems,
1)cam cover gasket leaking oil from the nearside bank of cylinders.Oil leaks enough to cause severe smoke from burning oil on manifold and excessive fumes in car .
2)losing water . water goes down in the header tank enough to set the warning light on . this happens every fortnight and needs approx 1 pint to bring it back up to the level.No obvious signs of where the water is leaking to or from .
3) slight misfire when starting after being stood all night but clears up in about 5/10 seconds of engine running (enough time to clear cylinders ), this is why it has been assumed its a head gasket / problem.
there isnt any sigh of water in the oil or visa versa
i hope ive explained a little better .
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there are 2 problems,
1)cam cover gasket leaking oil from the nearside bank of cylinders.Oil leaks enough to cause severe smoke from burning oil on manifold and excessive fumes in car .
2)losing water . water goes down in the header tank enough to set the warning light on . this happens every fortnight and needs approx 1 pint to bring it back up to the level.No obvious signs of where the water is leaking to or from .
3) slight misfire when starting after being stood all night but clears up in about 5/10 seconds of engine running (enough time to clear cylinders ), this is why it has been assumed its a head gasket / problem.
there isnt any sigh of water in the oil or visa versa
i hope ive explained a little better .
Ah right follow you now :y
The Cam Covers is an easy one..
As for the water leak...
you say you don't see water dripping onto the floor?
Can you smell the sweat smell of water/anti freeze when the car is warm?
If you were to remove the reservoir cap and start the car up would the water pump out?
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Hmmm, well unless there is something very unusual going on, these are all usual omega fixes.
As said, get it to Pete. :y
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there are 2 problems,
1)cam cover gasket leaking oil from the nearside bank of cylinders.Oil leaks enough to cause severe smoke from burning oil on manifold and excessive fumes in car .
2)losing water . water goes down in the header tank enough to set the warning light on . this happens every fortnight and needs approx 1 pint to bring it back up to the level.No obvious signs of where the water is leaking to or from .
3) slight misfire when starting after being stood all night but clears up in about 5/10 seconds of engine running (enough time to clear cylinders ), this is why it has been assumed its a head gasket / problem.
there isnt any sigh of water in the oil or visa versa
i hope ive explained a little better .
Ah right follow you now :y
The Cam Covers is an easy one..
As for the water leak...
you say you don't see water dripping onto the floor?
Can you smell the sweat smell of water/anti freeze when the car is warm?
If you were to remove the reservoir cap and start the car up would the water pump out?[/quote]
cant see dripping, dont get a smell,not tried taking cap off res cap but theres a lot of pressure when you release the cap, a lot more than you would expect, even after being stood all night.
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v6fletch - that is a hell of an assumption.
Seeing as the garage you use cannot fix a simple cam cover leak, I would strongly urge you to consider using another garage to diagnose the faults before agreeing to this fairly drastic course of action :o :o :o
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well, potentiallyit possible for the two faults to conbine in head gaskit failure as there is an oil way in the hg area near the v.
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The fact that an attempted repair of cam cover gaskits has stemmed the flow temporarily would suggest hg is NOT the problem. There for changing the hed is not the answer.
But needs eyes in to confirm before waisting anymore time money and grief.
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there are 2 problems,
1)cam cover gasket leaking oil from the nearside bank of cylinders.Oil leaks enough to cause severe smoke from burning oil on manifold and excessive fumes in car .
2)losing water . water goes down in the header tank enough to set the warning light on . this happens every fortnight and needs approx 1 pint to bring it back up to the level.No obvious signs of where the water is leaking to or from .
3) slight misfire when starting after being stood all night but clears up in about 5/10 seconds of engine running (enough time to clear cylinders ), this is why it has been assumed its a head gasket / problem.
there isnt any sigh of water in the oil or visa versa
i hope ive explained a little better .
Ah right follow you now :y
The Cam Covers is an easy one..
As for the water leak...
you say you don't see water dripping onto the floor?
Can you smell the sweat smell of water/anti freeze when the car is warm?
If you were to remove the reservoir cap and start the car up would the water pump out?[/quote]
cant see dripping, dont get a smell,not tried taking cap off res cap but theres a lot of pressure when you release the cap, a lot more than you would expect, even after being stood all night.
Well thats sudgests its not overly serious as if it was headgasket the pressure would not be holding that long :y
It sounds to me like it needs little more than a compitent person using good parts to look at it for half a day :y