Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Shackeng on 05 November 2010, 19:07:56
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After 11 years, there is still only one thing that niggles me, and it is the position of the two small horn buttons, which are never in the right place when you want to shout at idiots.
Does anyone agree? Or have you got your own pet niggles? :y
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Does anyone agree? Or have you got your own pet niggles? :y
Me! I can't see why they couldn't have had an airbag & a horn push in the middle of the wheel, other makers manage to do so. I think more recent Vauxhalls have the hrn in the middle of the wheel though.
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Even after all these years of Omega ownership; (and being very tall; at 5ft. 14") I still manage to bang my head on the 'A' pillar-top/door-seal edge when getting in......and no amount of seat-placement adjustment will circumvent it. :'(
The surprisingly poor dip-beams on the (non-HID) headlights. :o
The above couple of points aside: I still adore my Miggy and can`t imagine that I could ever hope to replace it`s quality, size, comfort and luxury for the kind of budget I could afford. :y
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I like the horn butten where it is (very rarely use it).
One thing i don't like is the fact that there are occasions when i would like to use the glow plugs for better starting in the warmer weather, but that option is taken away from me :(
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Never had to use my horn in the Omega yet. But then again I've probably only ever used the horn 2/3 since I've started driving.
Interior trim could be a bit better, but there's not really much to complain about for me.
Edit: Actually I think the centre console should have more room, especially when like me you have telematics taking up the glove box. And being super critical, seats could be better on long journeys.
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As someone who has been a passenger on a long journey or two, I wish the glovebox served as a little shelf for your packup better. like the Mk III Cavalier's did :)
Facelifts are better though, as they have more cubbys to put stuff, plus everything is flat and shelf-shaped, as opposed to pre-fl, where everything is shaped so your stuff rolls off!!!
But that's it. Can't think of anything which I can honestly say is 'stupid' or 'really annoying' or 'poor design' on Omegas. Shame they got rid of the coolest bootlid handle hitherto designed on the facelift, though 8-)
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totally agree on horn button!!! as already stated the glove box is useless on pref.l. and also the steering column is not adjustable which can take some getting used to but is generally in the correct place for most people,
always find the passenger seat not as comfy as the drivers seat? other than that no complaints!!
Note for DEBS!!!!
SLIDE BUM IN FIRST!! then swing legs in! I had the same problem as you when i first bought it, now its secondnature getting in bum first :y
only problem with this system is i always make a pratt of meself getting in the 4x4!! ther i have to put a leg in first as its to tall for the bum method!! ;D
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The niggle that I have is with the drivers window when it is raining. When you open it rain comes in and gets all over the window switches on my facelift
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No TMC >:(
No aux in on head unit
And yes, the horn should be central.
....er, apart from that.....
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The niggle that I have is with the drivers window when it is raining. When you open it rain comes in and gets all over the window switches on my facelift
Anyone want to give the "Steve Jobs" reply....? ;D ;)
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Horn buttons are in the wrong place if steering wheel at anything but straight ahead but barely ever used them.
Storage space in the front limited if you have Telematics in the glovebox.
No cupholders (except for that poor excuse for one under the armrest) - The old Vectra B had two in the centre console, one in the centre armrest and two in the glovebox lid, this makes the bigger Omega sadly lacking, all I want is a holder that can hold a can of pop securely!
Other than those minor niggles I can't fault the car, plenty of room for the family, excellent rwd chassis and handling (from a standard, mass produced car), great seats and interior comfort and, with the help of this excellent forum, I can fix it on a budget! :y
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Horn- never think about it until it's too late. Now,if it could be activated by that vein just by my temple... :y
Kevin
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Wow, people REALLY hate this horn, dont they?! ;)
Agree about the cupholders, one pop-out would be nice. That said everyone slated the cupholders in the Verctra when it was launched, didn't they? Couldnt really see why, thought it was a good idea.
Anyone ever retro-fitted the vectra cupholders into an omega? I have a set in the garage, glad Im not the only one that thought cupholders in a 'meega was a good idea!
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If you have time to think about using the horn, you aren't trying hard enough ;)
My horn gets used once a year, at the MOT ;)
My annoyance is the bloody handbrake. I hate it with a passion ;D
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Even after all these years of Omega ownership; (and being very tall; at 5ft. 14") I still manage to bang my head on the 'A' pillar-top/door-seal edge when getting in......and no amount of seat-placement adjustment will circumvent it. :'(
The surprisingly poor dip-beams on the (non-HID) headlights. :o
The above couple of points aside: I still adore my Miggy and can`t imagine that I could ever hope to replace it`s quality, size, comfort and luxury for the kind of budget I could afford. :y
I still manage to bang my head on the 'A' pillar-top/door-seal edge when getting in.
;D ;D ;D Same here and if think back to when they were in service, if one attempted to have a dignified, uncontorted exit while wearing body armour (concealed for us nancy-boys) it was all but impossible. More so if the vehicle in question was armoured up. ;D ;D :y
That brought back the memory of a sore bonce or two. :y
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niggles.....
steering box
brake pedal feel, actually brakes in general
BUT more than balanced by the low cost, entertaining handling, performance and that they look like taxis. Just find another car that you can buy for a hundred quid, take to B&Q, buy 7-foot lengths of timber and get to 150 on the way home.
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oil and water leaks
cam covers, cam seals ,crank seals
hbv ,thermostat, water pump.. all on just over 85k
glovebox only suitable for the vehicle service book
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oil and water leaks
cam covers, cam seals ,crank seals
hbv ,thermostat, water pump.. all on just over 85k
glovebox only suitable for the vehicle service book
And gloves. :y
Camber settings.
Scuttle drain.
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I'm chuckling at the posts on here after I started the thread on the Omega / Insignia comparison ...
Y'all are gonna love the Insignia. ;D ;D ;D
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I suppose my Omega still annoys me due to the fact I replaced my Senator with it!
I actually saw a local Senator on the road yesterday.
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ruddy seatbelt pre-tensioners strangling your stomach,dont get it in my carlton!!
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Y'all are gonna love the Insignia. ;D ;D ;D
Oh no we won't! ;D ;D ;D
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The fact that,at the moment, it doesn't run >:(
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honestly? Nothing! It does everything I want it to do.
Its never leaked fluids of any kind, did cam cover myself few years ago, been perfect, its smooth, comfy, handles well, bought it at 84k now on 151k, its not missed a beat, its never broken down, its cheap to run, good on tyres and now with LPG, very economical!
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Mushy steering - working on this
Stupid radio
- Volume control is u/s except for the steering wheel buttons (bit of a bonus in a way, stops anyone turning my favourite tracks down)
- Lousy reception on medium which becomes very crackly after a while, good thump on the side of the console cures it. For a while.
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honestly? Nothing! It does everything I want it to do.
Its never leaked fluids of any kind, did cam cover myself few years ago, been perfect, its smooth, comfy, handles well, bought it at 84k now on 151k, its not missed a beat, its never broken down, its cheap to run, good on tyres and now with LPG, very economical!
Glad somebody had something positive to say about the Omega. This thread is going to send a lot of would be buyers running in the other direction. ::)
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niggles.....
steering box
brake pedal feel, actually brakes in general
BUT more than balanced by the low cost, entertaining handling, performance and that they look like taxis. Just find another car that you can buy for a hundred quid, take to B&Q, buy 7-foot lengths of timber and get to 150 on the way home.
Oe pads, as opposed to trade club pads, will sort the pedal feel nicely. Steep though.
And are what's fitted the my omega in FS section as it happens....I should to fit the tc pads I have in the garage before selling and save myself a few quid on my new omega.
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The stupid positioning of the horn cost me my car as i couldn't find it as i saw someone pulling out in front of me >:(
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Never had to use my horn in the Omega yet. But then again I've probably only ever used the horn 2/3 since I've started driving.
Interior trim could be a bit better, but there's not really much to complain about for me.
Edit: Actually I think the centre console should have more room, especially when like me you have telematics taking up the glove box. And being super critical, seats could be better on long journeys.
All those issues were non existent in the prefacelift ;D ;D ;D
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the annoying sound from the front passenger seat ;D ;D ;D
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oil and water leaks
cam covers, cam seals ,crank seals
hbv ,thermostat, water pump.. all on just over 85k
glovebox only suitable for the vehicle service book
Get a TD ::) ::) ::)
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The stupid positioning of the horn cost me my car as i couldn't find it as i saw someone pulling out in front of me >:(
That was exactly my original point, as the same happened to me 2 days ago, and is what prompted the thread. I was hoping someone would have come up with the comment that they had fitted one on a stalk or W.H.Y. in a fixed position, that would solve the problem. :-? :y
Edit: Although an accident was avoided by ABS use!
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The stupid positioning of the horn cost me my car as i couldn't find it as i saw someone pulling out in front of me >:(
That was exactly my original point, as the same happened to me 2 days ago, and is what prompted the thread. I was hoping someone would have come up with the comment that they had fitted one on a stalk or W.H.Y. in a fixed position, that would solve the problem. :-? :y
Edit: Although an accident was avoided by ABS use!
The horn is where I expect it to be :-/
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i find the horns in an excellent place, both sides of wheel, easily found with the thumb!
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i find the horns in an excellent place, both sides of wheel, easily found with the thumb!
you don't have to agree with Jamie (& Mark) al the time ::) ::) ;)
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The horn is where I expect it to be :-/
I find that the buttons tend to move around in circles when I move the steering wheel. ::) ::)
It'd have been far better if there had been a central horn push too .... like its predecessor had ;) ;) ;)
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The horn is where I expect it to be :-/
I find that the buttons tend to move around in circles when I move the steering wheel. ::) ::)
It'd have been far better if there had been a central horn push too .... like its predecessor had ;) ;) ;)
So, in a moment of rage, whilst swerving around trying to avoid some pillock, you want to remove one hand from the wheel to show your disgust :o
Nah, I think the location is good, right on the thumbs when driving enthusiastically ;). Yes, buttons move with wheel, but so do thumbs ;)
And its the same on the Rover, so all my cars follow the same layout. Great minds, and all that ;)
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So, in a moment of rage, whilst swerving around trying to avoid some pillock, you want to remove one hand from the wheel to show your disgust :o ....
No rage required. I've been in situations, ie car parks where I've had the wheel turned from the ahead position to find someone is reversing towards the side of my car but as there is no central horn push it means you have to look to find the buttons. They're obviously in such a good postion that Vauxhall have decided to include a central horn push on their more recent cars. Her Smart does at least have a modern take on the olde style horn rim of cars of old
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The horn is where I expect it to be :-/
I find that the buttons tend to move around in circles when I move the steering wheel. ::) ::)
It'd have been far better if there had been a central horn push too .... like its predecessor had ;) ;) ;)
So, in a moment of rage, whilst swerving around trying to avoid some pillock, you want to remove one hand from the wheel to show your disgust :o
Nah, I think the location is good, right on the thumbs when driving enthusiastically ;). Yes, buttons move with wheel, but so do thumbs ;)
And its the same on the Rover, so all my cars follow the same layout. Great minds, and all that ;)
I fimd it difficult under these circumstances to cross my arms more than twice, hence the hands tend to move around the wheel rim - unlike the horn buttons. ;)
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So, in a moment of rage, whilst swerving around trying to avoid some pillock, you want to remove one hand from the wheel to show your disgust :o ....
No rage required. I've been in situations, ie car parks where I've had the wheel turned from the ahead position to find someone is reversing towards the side of my car but as there is no central horn push it means you have to look to find the buttons. They're obviously in such a good postion that Vauxhall have decided to include a central horn push on their more recent cars. Her Smart does at least have a modern take on the olde style horn rim of cars of old
I find myself in a difficult position, agreeing with AndyB or disagreeing wholehartedly with TB. How can a moving target be easier to hit than a stationary/central one...?
I see what TB is saying, drive at 10 to 2 all the time :P and the buttons are in the right position, but if it was central who cares .....
....in the mondeo(spit)one hand on the top of the wheel, like you do, slightest ping on of an indicator on an adjacent car and the inside of your arm is an inch away from the horn, takes milli seconds and saved many a prang.
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I find myself in a difficult position, agreeing with AndyB or disagreeing wholehartedly with TB.....
;) You know it makes sense ;) ;) ;)
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I, for one, am glad the horn is on the wheel (where it should be) and not on a stalk, at least .. the last car I had with a horn on the stalk, all I ever did was angrily wash my windscreen at someone and/or indicate erratically..
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.... .. the last car I had with a horn on the stalk, all I ever did was angrily wash my windscreen at someone and......
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hmm, well it is very interesting to see how many like the horn where it is, I can only assume that they steer as per F1 drivers, and don't move hands round the steering wheel much. I guess most of us do a mixture of both, but I never seem to have the horn immediately available to warn errant would be attackers. :'(
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Mushy steering - working on this
Stupid radio
- Volume control is u/s except for the steering wheel buttons (bit of a bonus in a way, stops anyone turning my favourite tracks down)
- Lousy reception on medium which becomes very crackly after a while, good thump on the side of the console cures it. For a while.
The volume knob on mine is starting to die, as does the radio start to crackle (on FM, AM is unusable)...
Horn I feel is in the right place..
I drive a TD, but, I also have to contend with a constant Oil Leak from somewhere, Where from I have no idea (Not Rocker Cover, Not Sump, Not FEOS, Not Dip Stick, Not Oil Cap) enough to leave a suitable black spot on my drive....
The matter of fact is, despite everything I can think of negative about my car, I wouldn't have another car in replacement of it, unless I really have to...
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....... I wouldn't have another car in replacement of it, ......
You've not had a 24v Senator then? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So, in a moment of rage, whilst swerving around trying to avoid some pillock, you want to remove one hand from the wheel to show your disgust :o ....
No rage required. I've been in situations, ie car parks where I've had the wheel turned from the ahead position to find someone is reversing towards the side of my car but as there is no central horn push it means you have to look to find the buttons. They're obviously in such a good postion that Vauxhall have decided to include a central horn push on their more recent cars. Her Smart does at least have a modern take on the olde style horn rim of cars of old
I had this recently and could not 'find' the horn, fortunately foot on the gas saved the day....... ::) ::) ::)
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pre-facelift: the feature where the door corners often rust out, fixed steering wheel position, limited space in drivers footwell better than many but I do wear size 13-14! The horn position - I am very surprised that I have not set off the airbag as I bang the centre of the wheel....
Other than that, love it. :)
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The LPG tank is too small, and the seats are cloth, other than that its ok. :)
Oh, almost forgot - its Silver. :D
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I am forced to assume it is an age thing - horn position that is - I still prefer it to be in a fixed, instinctively available, position, preferably in the wheel centre.
Amazingly, I can't think of any other real annoyances. Accessibility of some components in the engine bay perhaps, but other vehicles are far worse. :y
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....... I wouldn't have another car in replacement of it, ......
You've not had a 24v Senator then? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
I will always feel pity for those poor souls who have not enjoyed that great pleasure Andy. :y :) ;D ;D
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....... I wouldn't have another car in replacement of it, ......
You've not had a 24v Senator then? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
I will always feel pity for those poor souls who have not enjoyed that great pleasure Andy. :y :) ;D ;D
I'd still like another, but I couldn't do one justice - I just don't have the garage space & it'd be a shame to have to leave it outside. :(
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....... I wouldn't have another car in replacement of it, ......
You've not had a 24v Senator then? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
I will always feel pity for those poor souls who have not enjoyed that great pleasure Andy. :y :) ;D ;D
I'd still like another, but I couldn't do one justice - I just don't have the garage space & it'd be a shame to have to leave it outside. :(
Ouch!!! Mine has lived outside my double garage for 11 years! :-[
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So, in a moment of rage, whilst swerving around trying to avoid some pillock, you want to remove one hand from the wheel to show your disgust :o ....
No rage required. I've been in situations, ie car parks where I've had the wheel turned from the ahead position to find someone is reversing towards the side of my car but as there is no central horn push it means you have to look to find the buttons. They're obviously in such a good postion that Vauxhall have decided to include a central horn push on their more recent cars. Her Smart does at least have a modern take on the olde style horn rim of cars of old
I find myself in a difficult position, agreeing with AndyB or disagreeing wholehartedly with TB. How can a moving target be easier to hit than a stationary/central one...?
I see what TB is saying, drive at 10 to 2 all the time :P and the buttons are in the right position, but if it was central who cares .....
....in the mondeo(spit)one hand on the top of the wheel, like you do, slightest ping on of an indicator on an adjacent car and the inside of your arm is an inch away from the horn, takes milli seconds and saved many a prang.
Well, I prefer a switch that I do not have to remove my hands from the wheel.
That said, I drive defensively enough not to ever have to use the horn - but if I did need it, I know its exactly where it should be, right under either thumb..
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....... I wouldn't have another car in replacement of it, ......
You've not had a 24v Senator then? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Always wanted one at the time, never had one. However, everyone I've driven in the past 5 or 6 years has been disappointing - maybe because I had the Omega first :-/
We have already proved that a stock 3.0l 24v V6 Omega will outrun a 3.0l 24v S6 Senator (even though it was catless), is smoother, and is better balanced to take corners better. Thats before the all the refinements to the car to make it a better ride, and a nicer place to sit.
Then consider that anything electronic on the Senator breaks after a couple of years....
I can see no advantages of a Senator - I look upon the Omega as a refined version, tweaked in all the right places.
I should point out, unlike certain members of the Admin team, I am not a Vauxhall fanatic, I generally think their cars are poorly made and designed by idiots accountants, esp lately. I'm probably not even particularly fond of the Omega, except it fills my current desires - comfortable (back issues :'(), cheap, quick, excellent handling, refined - though the fact I've had one for 7yrs shows I'm struggling to find a replacement car...
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So, in a moment of rage, whilst swerving around trying to avoid some pillock, you want to remove one hand from the wheel to show your disgust :o ....
No rage required. I've been in situations, ie car parks where I've had the wheel turned from the ahead position to find someone is reversing towards the side of my car but as there is no central horn push it means you have to look to find the buttons. They're obviously in such a good postion that Vauxhall have decided to include a central horn push on their more recent cars. Her Smart does at least have a modern take on the olde style horn rim of cars of old
I find myself in a difficult position, agreeing with AndyB or disagreeing wholehartedly with TB. How can a moving target be easier to hit than a stationary/central one...?
I see what TB is saying, drive at 10 to 2 all the time :P and the buttons are in the right position, but if it was central who cares .....
....in the mondeo(spit)one hand on the top of the wheel, like you do, slightest ping on of an indicator on an adjacent car and the inside of your arm is an inch away from the horn, takes milli seconds and saved many a prang.
Well, I prefer a switch that I do not have to remove my hands from the wheel.
That said, I drive defensively enough not to ever have to use the horn - but if I did need it, I know its exactly where it should be, right under either thumb..
Ah, but in the mondeo(spit) the same area works the same as the centre. So the thumb buttons work the same as punching the centre, ie the whole of the inner wheel iirc. So you loose nothing and gain more area...it's not a case of one or the other. :y
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....... I wouldn't have another car in replacement of it, ......
You've not had a 24v Senator then? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Always wanted one at the time, never had one. However, everyone I've driven in the past 5 or 6 years has been disappointing - maybe because I had the Omega first :-/
We have already proved that a stock 3.0l 24v V6 Omega will outrun a 3.0l 24v S6 Senator (even though it was catless), is smoother, and is better balanced to take corners better. Thats before the all the refinements to the car to make it a better ride, and a nicer place to sit.
Then consider that anything electronic on the Senator breaks after a couple of years....
I can see no advantages of a Senator - I look upon the Omega as a refined version, tweaked in all the right places.
I should point out, unlike certain members of the Admin team, I am not a Vauxhall fanatic, I generally think their cars are poorly made and designed by idiots accountants, esp lately. I'm probably not even particularly fond of the Omega, except it fills my current desires - comfortable (back issues :'(), cheap, quick, excellent handling, refined - though the fact I've had one for 7yrs shows I'm struggling to find a replacement car...
There is nothing to replace the omega for the money, nothing. Anything else is less car for more money. :y
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Ah, but in the mondeo(spit) the same area works the same as the centre. So the thumb buttons work the same as punching the centre, ie the whole of the inner wheel iirc. So you loose nothing and gain more area...it's not a case of one or the other. :y
Its no secret I like the Mundano (current and previous - earlier ones are useless). A well thought out, comfortable car.
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....... I wouldn't have another car in replacement of it, ......
You've not had a 24v Senator then? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Always wanted one at the time, never had one. However, everyone I've driven in the past 5 or 6 years has been disappointing - maybe because I had the Omega first :-/
We have already proved that a stock 3.0l 24v V6 Omega will outrun a 3.0l 24v S6 Senator (even though it was catless), is smoother, and is better balanced to take corners better. Thats before the all the refinements to the car to make it a better ride, and a nicer place to sit.
Then consider that anything electronic on the Senator breaks after a couple of years....
I can see no advantages of a Senator - I look upon the Omega as a refined version, tweaked in all the right places.
I should point out, unlike certain members of the Admin team, I am not a Vauxhall fanatic, I generally think their cars are poorly made and designed by idiots accountants, esp lately. I'm probably not even particularly fond of the Omega, except it fills my current desires - comfortable (back issues :'(), cheap, quick, excellent handling, refined - though the fact I've had one for 7yrs shows I'm struggling to find a replacement car...
I liked the styling of the Senator, but, I could never justify the cost of the insurance and as at the time when I could have considered a Senator, I wasn't really doing the long journeys to warrant the big engine...
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Ah, but in the mondeo(spit) the same area works the same as the centre. So the thumb buttons work the same as punching the centre, ie the whole of the inner wheel iirc. So you loose nothing and gain more area...it's not a case of one or the other. :y
Its no secret I like the Mundano (current and previous - earlier ones are useless). A well thought out, comfortable car.
Omega is bullet proof compared to the one I had, a very steady 90k on it and it was shagged out. Of course I got the blame for destroying it after Dad gave it to me. Went well though, good brakes and suspension, I just get the impression it was never meant, or was never really capable of more than 100k life. Wrack was worn out, clutch gone, second exhaust hanging of, stiff gear box, drafts all through the car from gators and door seals and all the symbols on the stalks had worn off. 2.0 16v .....mark 1 or 2 I think, or whatever :-/
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Ah, but in the mondeo(spit) the same area works the same as the centre. So the thumb buttons work the same as punching the centre, ie the whole of the inner wheel iirc. So you loose nothing and gain more area...it's not a case of one or the other. :y
Its no secret I like the Mundano (current and previous - earlier ones are useless). A well thought out, comfortable car.
Omega is bullet proof compared to the one I had, a very steady 90k on it and it was shagged out. Of course I got the blame for destroying it after Dad gave it to me. Went well though, good brakes and suspension, I just get the impression it was never meant, or was never really capable of more than 100k life. Wrack was worn out, clutch gone, second exhaust hanging of, stiff gear box, drafts all through the car from gators and door seals and all the symbols on the stalks had worn off. 2.0 16v .....mark 1 or 2 I think, or whatever :-/
The early ones were truely absymal. And Ford still can't make a petrol engine, even now.
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....... I wouldn't have another car in replacement of it, ......
You've not had a 24v Senator then? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Always wanted one at the time, never had one. However, everyone I've driven in the past 5 or 6 years has been disappointing - maybe because I had the Omega first :-/
We have already proved that a stock 3.0l 24v V6 Omega will outrun a 3.0l 24v S6 Senator (even though it was catless), is smoother, and is better balanced to take corners better. Thats before the all the refinements to the car to make it a better ride, and a nicer place to sit.
Then consider that anything electronic on the Senator breaks after a couple of years....
I can see no advantages of a Senator - I look upon the Omega as a refined version, tweaked in all the right places.
I should point out, unlike certain members of the Admin team, I am not a Vauxhall fanatic, I generally think their cars are poorly made and designed by idiots accountants, esp lately. I'm probably not even particularly fond of the Omega, except it fills my current desires - comfortable (back issues :'(), cheap, quick, excellent handling, refined - though the fact I've had one for 7yrs shows I'm struggling to find a replacement car...
There must have been something wrong with the Senny ;) ;D
Mine was 15 years old when I was done with it and the electonics were infinitely more reliable than an Omegas
The only problem it ever had was a fried gearbox relay. ;)
Would still have one any day over any Omega. :)
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certainly a Senator is better in every respect, apart perhaps from the external looks - Omega looks modern, whilst Senator looks old.
handling, performance and economy better with the older car.
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Now there is a man who knows what he is talking about :y :y......
Apart from the fact that I prefer the looks of the Senny - Omega is a bit bland imo, doesnt stand out from all the other bland cars on the road. The Senator had more presence imo. If you want a Mig to have presence on the road and stand out a bit you have to spend a lot of dosh on Irmscher gear. :)
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certainly a Senator is better in every respect, apart perhaps from the external looks - Omega looks modern, whilst Senator looks old.
handling, performance and economy better with the older car.
You've just reminded me - I was supposed to take your Omega for a blast after eating. Sorry, entirely forgot :-[
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..apart from the propensity to leak fluids if you take your eye off it for more than a week - I love the car.
Horn is great where it is - but agree a centre push or an old style chrome ring like the old Rover P5's had would be better.
My Volvo has a centre push - but the d*mn cruise and radio buttons are in the way so you can't easily 'toot' with your thumb without taking you hand off the rim - that is annoying.
An American on the Volvo forum has fitted a pair of these to his XC90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcv...layer_embedded
- pml - the kid in me would love a set of these 'hornblasters' I believe they're called..
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certainly a Senator is better in every respect, apart perhaps from the external looks - Omega looks modern, whilst Senator looks old.
handling, performance and economy better with the older car.
You've just reminded me - I was supposed to take your Omega for a blast after eating. Sorry, entirely forgot :-[
And Ford still can't make a petrol engine, even now.
.. and I clearly need to take you for a blast in the Westfield. [smiley=evil.gif]
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Kevin
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..apart from the propensity to leak fluids if you take your eye off it for more than a week - I love the car.
Horn is great where it is - but agree a centre push or an old style chrome ring like the old Rover P5's had would be better.
My Volvo has a centre push - but the d*mn cruise and radio buttons are in the way so you can't easily 'toot' with your thumb without taking you hand off the rim - that is annoying.
An American on the Volvo forum has fitted a pair of these to his XC90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcv...layer_embedded
- pml - the kid in me would love a set of these 'hornblasters' I believe they're called..
Ooops ..try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcvs6kIw8&feature=player_embedded
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..apart from the propensity to leak fluids if you take your eye off it for more than a week - I love the car.
Horn is great where it is - but agree a centre push or an old style chrome ring like the old Rover P5's had would be better.
My Volvo has a centre push - but the d*mn cruise and radio buttons are in the way so you can't easily 'toot' with your thumb without taking you hand off the rim - that is annoying.
An American on the Volvo forum has fitted a pair of these to his XC90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcv...layer_embedded
- pml - the kid in me would love a set of these 'hornblasters' I believe they're called..
That link is shown as being malformed Ian. :(
Was it as loud as this one?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjR5K_Fb6r4&feature=fvw[/media]
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..apart from the propensity to leak fluids if you take your eye off it for more than a week - I love the car.
Horn is great where it is - but agree a centre push or an old style chrome ring like the old Rover P5's had would be better.
My Volvo has a centre push - but the d*mn cruise and radio buttons are in the way so you can't easily 'toot' with your thumb without taking you hand off the rim - that is annoying.
An American on the Volvo forum has fitted a pair of these to his XC90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcv...layer_embedded
- pml - the kid in me would love a set of these 'hornblasters' I believe they're called..
Ooops ..try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcvs6kIw8&feature=player_embedded
;D ;D ;D Splendid ;D ;D ;D :y
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certainly a Senator is better in every respect, apart perhaps from the external looks - Omega looks modern, whilst Senator looks old.
handling, performance and economy better with the older car.
You've just reminded me - I was supposed to take your Omega for a blast after eating. Sorry, entirely forgot :-[
And Ford still can't make a petrol engine, even now.
.. and I clearly need to take you for a blast in the Westfield. [smiley=evil.gif]
;)
Kevin
Any day, Mr Wood, any day :D :y
I imagine the Westfield benefits from (lack of) weight. I did have a blast in something similar a few years back, think it was a Dax. I do remember it had a 2.0l Sierra engine and a welded diff. Went like SOAS, and was immense fun :D
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I imagine the Westfield benefits from (lack of) weight. ....
Does that not depend on its passenger? ::) ::) ::) ;) ;)
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..apart from the propensity to leak fluids if you take your eye off it for more than a week - I love the car.
Horn is great where it is - but agree a centre push or an old style chrome ring like the old Rover P5's had would be better.
My Volvo has a centre push - but the d*mn cruise and radio buttons are in the way so you can't easily 'toot' with your thumb without taking you hand off the rim - that is annoying.
An American on the Volvo forum has fitted a pair of these to his XC90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcv...layer_embedded
- pml - the kid in me would love a set of these 'hornblasters' I believe they're called..
Ooops ..try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcvs6kIw8&feature=player_embedded
;D ;D ;D Splendid ;D ;D ;D :y
..should put this on a different thread really - but I think they must be the same ones Zulu77.
I love cats - but this brought tears to my eyes..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5szCF-1o00&feature=channel
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I imagine the Westfield benefits from (lack of) weight. ....
Does that not depend on its passenger? ::) ::) ::) ;) ;)
Good point, maybe I show drive instead :P
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I imagine the Westfield benefits from (lack of) weight. ....
Does that not depend on its passenger? ::) ::) ::) ;) ;)
Good point, maybe I show drive instead :P
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Annoyances with your Omega
It costs too many quids to run,
costs too many quids to insure,
costs too many quids to tax,
worth jack-all,
looks dated,
and I can't sell it!
::) ::) ::)
I do still like it though (even though I need to sell). :-/
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I imagine the Westfield benefits from (lack of) weight. ....
Does that not depend on its passenger? ::) ::) ::) ;) ;)
Good point, maybe I show drive instead :P
but kevin's only just finished fixing it :D
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Right well, for those who say that the horn is in a good position, I had a good look today, with hands in my normal driving position above the cross bar, the buttons are at least 4" away, hardly convenient. To put the buttons adjacent to thumbs, the hands have to be below the crossbar. Now come on chaps and chapesses, who can honestly say that is how they drive? :y
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The way I normally drive, the horn buttons are less than 1" away from my thumbs :-? so yeah.. pretty convenient ;)
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The way I normally drive, the horn buttons are less than 1" away from my thumbs :-? so yeah.. pretty convenient ;)
you never turn the wheel then? ::) ;) ;)
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Nope, it's one long straight road from home to work .. and I go home in reverse ;D ;D ;D
Actually I paid attention to how I hold the wheel this morning on the way to work - my right hand stays wrapped around the spoke on the right (thus, thumb by horn) unless I'm turning a tight right hand corner - in which case my left hand picks up the left hand spoke (thumb by horn again) and my right hand shuffles around to the top to assist - and vice versa for a tight left hand bend.
Parking, of course, all bets are off and who knows where my hands end up ;D
[edit] I realise steering this way would see me fail a driving test.. ;D
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Right well, for those who say that the horn is in a good position, I had a good look today, with hands in my normal driving position above the cross bar, the buttons are at least 4" away, hardly convenient. To put the buttons adjacent to thumbs, the hands have to be below the crossbar. Now come on chaps and chapesses, who can honestly say that is how they drive? :y
When I'm driving enthusiastically, yup, pretty close ;)
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Right well, for those who say that the horn is in a good position, I had a good look today, with hands in my normal driving position above the cross bar, the buttons are at least 4" away, hardly convenient. To put the buttons adjacent to thumbs, the hands have to be below the crossbar. Now come on chaps and chapesses, who can honestly say that is how they drive? :y
When I'm driving enthusiastically, yup, pretty close ;)
Sorry to be pedantic Jaimie, but 'pretty close' doesn't cut it. Are you saying that when you drive 'enthusiastically' your hands are, normally, below the crossbar? On the crossbar is almost impossible, if you want to feel that you can cope with blowouts or other emergencies. I tried both on the bar and below today, and both felt most unnatural to me. Perhaps I have a different wheel. :-?
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Right well, for those who say that the horn is in a good position, I had a good look today, with hands in my normal driving position above the cross bar, the buttons are at least 4" away, hardly convenient. To put the buttons adjacent to thumbs, the hands have to be below the crossbar. Now come on chaps and chapesses, who can honestly say that is how they drive? :y
When I'm driving enthusiastically, yup, pretty close ;)
Sorry to be pedantic Jaimie, but 'pretty close' doesn't cut it. Are you saying that when you drive 'enthusiastically' your hands are, normally, below the crossbar? On the crossbar is almost impossible, if you want to feel that you can cope with blowouts or other emergencies. I tried both on the bar and below today, and both felt most unnatural to me. Perhaps I have a different wheel. :-?
Its Jaime, or am I being pedantic :P
Anyway, when I go into 'enthusiastic' I tend to go to a 9/3 oclcok (thumbs just above spoke on Omega (and Rover as it happens)). I feel I have far more control, and then only need to adjust positions for tight (therefore slow) corners. Also, easier/quicker to apply emergency adjustments if the car loses stability.
I have a standard Omega wheel, and have in all my Omegas. Admittedly the one in the MV6 is very well worn ;D - which reminds me, must look for one in the For Sale section...
Yup, 'enjoyed' a blowout before when in full enthusiastic mode. Actually, more than once ;D
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If I remember, I'll photo the wear on my wheel, so you can see.
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All in all, we are all different, and if we all designed a dash, we end up with 9000 different designs.
I have no real annoyances with prefacelift Omegas (Facelift, thats a different matter), all controls are in a convenient place imho. I won't want a horn in the centre, sounds like others would. Some still like it on the stalk.
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The really annoying thing with my Omega is the way the bloody thing mists up in wet weather. Tried everything and it still does it. Also the radio is total rubbish
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The really annoying thing with my Omega is the way the bloody thing mists up in wet weather. Tried everything and it still does it. Also the radio is total rubbish
Do you have the aircon on?
State of scuttle drain?
State of exhaust vents?
None of mine have suffered any worse than other cars I've had, even when the A/C is kanckered ;D
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Yes tried all of that.
It seems to be more apparent on the estate. It seems the only thing that really clears it is the air con, but i shouldn't really have to put it on to clear it, that is what the demisters for. I am not the only one with this problem as it has all been posted before thru various members
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Right well, for those who say that the horn is in a good position, I had a good look today, with hands in my normal driving position above the cross bar, the buttons are at least 4" away, hardly convenient. To put the buttons adjacent to thumbs, the hands have to be below the crossbar. Now come on chaps and chapesses, who can honestly say that is how they drive? :y
When I'm driving enthusiastically, yup, pretty close ;)
Sorry to be pedantic Jaimie, but 'pretty close' doesn't cut it. Are you saying that when you drive 'enthusiastically' your hands are, normally, below the crossbar? On the crossbar is almost impossible, if you want to feel that you can cope with blowouts or other emergencies. I tried both on the bar and below today, and both felt most unnatural to me. Perhaps I have a different wheel. :-?
Its Jaime, or am I being pedantic :P
Anyway, when I go into 'enthusiastic' I tend to go to a 9/3 oclcok (thumbs just above spoke on Omega (and Rover as it happens)). I feel I have far more control, and then only need to adjust positions for tight (therefore slow) corners. Also, easier/quicker to apply emergency adjustments if the car loses stability.
I have a standard Omega wheel, and have in all my Omegas. Admittedly the one in the MV6 is very well worn ;D - which reminds me, must look for one in the For Sale section...
Yup, 'enjoyed' a blowout before when in full enthusiastic mode. Actually, more than once ;D
Sorry Jaime :-[ :-* :-*
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Yes tried all of that.
It seems to be more apparent on the estate. It seems the only thing that really clears it is the air con, but i shouldn't really have to put it on to clear it, that is what the demisters for. I am not the only one with this problem as it has all been posted before thru various members
I've never had a problem with misting on my estate, it always clears v.quick. :y
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Yes tried all of that.
It seems to be more apparent on the estate. It seems the only thing that really clears it is the air con, but i shouldn't really have to put it on to clear it, that is what the demisters for. I am not the only one with this problem as it has all been posted before thru various members
I've never had a problem with misting on my estate, it always clears v.quick. :y
mine clears easy as well :y
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Ok...so why run with ac off, or more accurately, why run the climate control with ac off...please explane? ...it is climate control...? not a heater with ac...yes?...or not?...hmm? :-?
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Yes tried all of that.
It seems to be more apparent on the estate. It seems the only thing that really clears it is the air con, but i shouldn't really have to put it on to clear it, that is what the demisters for. I am not the only one with this problem as it has all been posted before thru various members
I've never had a problem with misting on my estate, it always clears v.quick. :y
Our old black estate would always mist up on the back side windows, these were the days before OOF and no air con, I found keeping the drivers window open a little sorted it...... :y
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Ok...so why run with ac off, or more accurately, why run the climate control with ac off...please explane? ...it is climate control...? not a heater with ac...yes?...or not?...hmm? :-?
Because a/c costs money in the form of petrol.. Eco doesn't. ;)
I'd figure out how much, but since there appears to be no gas in my a/c system, I can't.. ;D
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Yes tried all of that.
It seems to be more apparent on the estate. It seems the only thing that really clears it is the air con, but i shouldn't really have to put it on to clear it, that is what the demisters for. I am not the only one with this problem as it has all been posted before thru various members
I get this in my estate but I'm quite happy to use the a/c to clear it, tends to be more of an issue if we are four up in the car (as you'd expect), if I'm on my own demist fan will just about cope or I can crack a window, but seems a bit pointless since the a/c does a great job.
Car itself is dry and leak free AFAIK.
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I think the climate control is designed to work with air con on. So it doesn't normally provide enough airflow to demist a car in current weather conditions unless you have the air con on or you manually turn up the fan and direct air to the screen.
Also - bear in mind that if you use air con to clear the car and then switch it off, the incoming air is flowing over a very moist air con evaporator which is gradually warming up, so this adds extra humidity to the incoming air.
The air con system is sensitive to the evaporator temperature so probably doesn't use a significant amount of energy when it's only having to drop the temperature by a couple of degrees.
Kevin
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Because a/c costs money in the form of petrol.. Eco doesn't. ;) .....
Not really noticable though on a V6
Anyway, who buys a V6 if they are then going to watch the fuel gauge? ;)
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I always run with the aircon on, winter and summer, stops the condensor drying out, a few pence extra in petrol is cheaper than a new condensor.
Anyway, it makes the car more pleasant to drive in.
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I always run with the aircon on, winter and summer, stops the condensor drying out, a few pence extra in petrol is cheaper than a new condensor.
Anyway, it makes the car more pleasant to drive in.
Agreed. :y
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Because a/c costs money in the form of petrol.. Eco doesn't. ;) .....
Not really noticable though on a V6
Anyway, who buys a V6 if they are then going to watch the fuel gauge? ;)
Hey, the Omega is supposed to be my 'sensible' car ... sensible car purchase FAIL! ;D ;D
I always run with the aircon on, winter and summer, stops the condensor drying out, a few pence extra in petrol is cheaper than a new condensor.
Sadly I don't think the previous owner of mine followed the same logic, hence all the gas disappearing into the atmosphere over time :(
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Hey, the Omega is supposed to be my 'sensible' car ... sensible car purchase FAIL! Grin Grin
It's got a roof. How much more sensible did you want? ;D
Kevin
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Hey, the Omega is supposed to be my 'sensible' car ... sensible car purchase FAIL! Grin Grin
It's got a roof. How much more sensible did you want? ;D
And four seats.. and a boot bigger than a glovebox ;D so in comparison to the other car - very sensible ;) (and infinitely, when compared to a Caterfield ;D)
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My (not very scientific) experiments at attempting to find out how much difference A/C makes to fuel consumption, have suggested to me that it increases consumption by around 10%, so mine gets a few minutes per month use to keep it running healthily, I wiil also switch it on when we have occasional hot days, but thats about it.
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My (not very scientific) experiments at attempting to find out how much difference A/C makes to fuel consumption, have suggested to me that it increases consumption by around 10%, so mine gets a few minutes per month use to keep it running healthily, I wiil also switch it on when we have occasional hot days, but thats about it.
:o
Mine is barely noticeable. Lost within the noise created by the random occurrence of "red mist" days, certainly. ;)
Kevin
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My (not very scientific) experiments at attempting to find out how much difference A/C makes to fuel consumption, have suggested to me that it increases consumption by around 10%, so mine gets a few minutes per month use to keep it running healthily, I wiil also switch it on when we have occasional hot days, but thats about it.
So that's 60p to 70p a fillup.
A lot of fillup's to cover the cost of a new condensor.
I doubt if it's 10% though.
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A lot of fillup's to cover the cost of a new condensor.
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It's not the condenser that fails due to lack of use, it's the compressor seals that dry out due to lack of use. General salt from the road kills the condenser cos it sits right at the front of the car. :y
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A lot of fillup's to cover the cost of a new condensor.
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It's not the condenser that fails due to lack of use, it's the compressor seals that dry out due to lack of use. General salt from the road kills the condenser cos it sits right at the front of the car. :y
Having a senior moment, I meant compressor :-[
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A lot of fillup's to cover the cost of a new condensor.
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It's not the condenser that fails due to lack of use, it's the compressor seals that dry out due to lack of use. General salt from the road kills the condenser cos it sits right at the front of the car. :y
Having a senior moment, I meant compressor :-[
;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Annoyances with current Mv6 (ignoring the knackered shocks&wishbones, constant scraping of mud flaps and exhaust, )
it lacks the useful cubby hole shelving that the elite had in the boot.
the centre console cubby hole is tiny, all it will hold is my glasses.
the window controls are totally in the wrong place... they do not fall under hand easily... i have to move my arm backwards and twist my wrist to operate the drivers door window.
it does seem to mist up more than my last one.... scuttle cleared, and so on... but still does it.
the stereo has less functionality, and takes up twice the space....
Elite had phone, cassette, CD, radio, & Sat Nav, and you could connect an ipod via the tape player...
MV6 , no tape player, so no iPod, and no phone....
and if i get a telematics.... bingo.... no glovebox....
the older arrangement definitely wins on a practicality basis.
and let's face it , the interior trim in general on the facelift lacks the "class" the MFL had....
acres of hard plastic VS leather ..... Hmmm... difficult choice.... NOT....
i would be sorely tempted to replace most of a facelift interior with a pre-facelift.... (assuming it would fit)
(oh, and Senators ROCK! but a well Sorted Senny A, was far nimbler and more "chuckable" than a Senny B.... for energetic A-B road driving... but the B was smoother, and more stable at Very High Speed.... i covered a LOT of miles in both versions ..... and would love to still do so.... )
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Annoyances with current Mv6 (ignoring the knackered shocks&wishbones, constant scraping of mud flaps and exhaust, )
it lacks the useful cubby hole shelving that the elite had in the boot.
the centre console cubby hole is tiny, all it will hold is my glasses.
the window controls are totally in the wrong place... they do not fall under hand easily... i have to move my arm backwards and twist my wrist to operate the drivers door window.
it does seem to mist up more than my last one.... scuttle cleared, and so on... but still does it.
the stereo has less functionality, and takes up twice the space....
Elite had phone, cassette, CD, radio, & Sat Nav, and you could connect an ipod via the tape player...
MV6 , no tape player, so no iPod, and no phone....
and if i get a telematics.... bingo.... no glovebox....
the older arrangement definitely wins on a practicality basis.
and let's face it , the interior trim in general on the facelift lacks the "class" the MFL had....
acres of hard plastic VS leather ..... Hmmm... difficult choice.... NOT....
i would be sorely tempted to replace most of a facelift interior with a pre-facelift.... (assuming it would fit)
(oh, and Senators ROCK! but a well Sorted Senny A, was far nimbler and more "chuckable" than a Senny B.... for energetic A-B road driving... but the B was smoother, and more stable at Very High Speed.... i covered a LOT of miles in both versions ..... and would love to still do so.... )
Just cancelled my MV6 order. ::) ::) ::)
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My (not very scientific) experiments at attempting to find out how much difference A/C makes to fuel consumption, have suggested to me that it increases consumption by around 10%, so mine gets a few minutes per month use to keep it running healthily, I wiil also switch it on when we have occasional hot days, but thats about it.
I actually checked the MV6 once, and it was exactly 1mpg - dropped from 24.8mpg to 23.8mpg.
The claims of 10% are the previous, useless, "speed kills", lets all buy electric, moronic government.
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Annoyances with current Mv6 (ignoring the knackered shocks&wishbones, constant scraping of mud flaps and exhaust, )
it lacks the useful cubby hole shelving that the elite had in the boot.
the centre console cubby hole is tiny, all it will hold is my glasses.
the window controls are totally in the wrong place... they do not fall under hand easily... i have to move my arm backwards and twist my wrist to operate the drivers door window.
it does seem to mist up more than my last one.... scuttle cleared, and so on... but still does it.
the stereo has less functionality, and takes up twice the space....
Elite had phone, cassette, CD, radio, & Sat Nav, and you could connect an ipod via the tape player...
MV6 , no tape player, so no iPod, and no phone....
and if i get a telematics.... bingo.... no glovebox....
the older arrangement definitely wins on a practicality basis.
and let's face it , the interior trim in general on the facelift lacks the "class" the MFL had....
acres of hard plastic VS leather ..... Hmmm... difficult choice.... NOT....
i would be sorely tempted to replace most of a facelift interior with a pre-facelift.... (assuming it would fit)
(oh, and Senators ROCK! but a well Sorted Senny A, was far nimbler and more "chuckable" than a Senny B.... for energetic A-B road driving... but the B was smoother, and more stable at Very High Speed.... i covered a LOT of miles in both versions ..... and would love to still do so.... )
In fairness, you are comparing a CD spec with an Elite spec.
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All those with misted windows, can you just try putting pollen filter in airing cupboard overnight, see if that (temporarily) fixes issue?
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My (not very scientific) experiments at attempting to find out how much difference A/C makes to fuel consumption, have suggested to me that it increases consumption by around 10%, so mine gets a few minutes per month use to keep it running healthily, I wiil also switch it on when we have occasional hot days, but thats about it.
I actually checked the MV6 once, and it was exactly 1mpg - dropped from 24.8mpg to 23.8mpg.
The claims of 10% are the previous, useless, "speed kills", lets all buy electric, moronic government.
I haven't actually checked it, 'cos I always run on aircon, but I am not surprised.
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My (not very scientific) experiments at attempting to find out how much difference A/C makes to fuel consumption, have suggested to me that it increases consumption by around 10%, so mine gets a few minutes per month use to keep it running healthily, I wiil also switch it on when we have occasional hot days, but thats about it.
So that's 60p to 70p a fillup.
A lot of fillup's to cover the cost of a new condensor.I doubt if it's 10% though.
Surely you mean £6 to £7 per fill up ? :-/
Which is why I switch it on for 10 minutes once a month.My unscientific research was conducted in my Senator and my first Omega. It involved driving along a straight level road at a constant speed with A/C off, fuel readout saying approx 33mpg.
Switch on A/C readout drops to approx 30mpg.
I would add that I dislike air conditioned atmospheres, I have to put up with it at work these days and it gives me headaches.
Even on a warm day I will have the window down in the car rather than switch on the A/C. It has to be a hot day before I will revert to artificial chilling.
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My (not very scientific) experiments at attempting to find out how much difference A/C makes to fuel consumption, have suggested to me that it increases consumption by around 10%, so mine gets a few minutes per month use to keep it running healthily, I wiil also switch it on when we have occasional hot days, but thats about it.
So that's 60p to 70p a fillup.
A lot of fillup's to cover the cost of a new condensor.I doubt if it's 10% though.
Surely you mean £6 to £7 per fill up ? :-/
Which is why I switch it on for 10 minutes once a month.My unscientific research was conducted in my Senator and my first Omega. It involved driving along a straight level road at a constant speed with A/C off, fuel readout saying approx 33mpg.
Switch on A/C readout drops to approx 30mpg.
I would add that I dislike air conditioned atmospheres, I have to put up with it at work these days and it gives me headaches.
Even on a warm day I will have the window down in the car rather than switch on the A/C. It has to be a hot day before I will revert to artificial chilling.
Yet another senior moment :-[
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My (not very scientific) experiments at attempting to find out how much difference A/C makes to fuel consumption, have suggested to me that it increases consumption by around 10%, so mine gets a few minutes per month use to keep it running healthily, I wiil also switch it on when we have occasional hot days, but thats about it.
So that's 60p to 70p a fillup.
A lot of fillup's to cover the cost of a new condensor.I doubt if it's 10% though.
Surely you mean £6 to £7 per fill up ? :-/
Which is why I switch it on for 10 minutes once a month.My unscientific research was conducted in my Senator and my first Omega. It involved driving along a straight level road at a constant speed with A/C off, fuel readout saying approx 33mpg.
Switch on A/C readout drops to approx 30mpg.
I would add that I dislike air conditioned atmospheres, I have to put up with it at work these days and it gives me headaches.
Even on a warm day I will have the window down in the car rather than switch on the A/C. It has to be a hot day before I will revert to artificial chilling.
I like to open windows as well. But I still do not bother turning off AC ;D
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...but personal preferance aside, its designed to run ac on....?
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Running on 'Auto' means air con on, does it not?regardless of temp set......
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Running on 'Auto' means air con on, does it not?regardless of temp set......
yes, unless eco is selected as well.....
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The manual recommends it being leave on.
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I only have a few annoyances with the Omega;
Glovebox - But it's no worse than many other cars
Cup holder - I rarely use it myself, but passengers complain about it.
Door mirrors - They don't fold as flat against the vehicle as much as I'd like.
That's about it really, everything else is fine.
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The manual recommends it being leave on.
my aircon mans favourite saying is "use it or lose it" :y
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After 6 weeks of ownership current annoyances are
1.Climate control sometimes has a mind of its own
2.Its thirsty but i knew that when i bought it
Thats all i can think off. overall i love it ;)
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1.Climate control sometimes has a mind of its own
This can be greatly improved by upgrading the firmware and disabling the fan control program, IME.
Kevin
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1.Climate control sometimes has a mind of its own
This can be greatly improved by upgrading the firmware and disabling the fan control program, IME.
You can do that? Excellent.. that's another thing on the list for when I finally pay a visit.. ;D That whole randomly-switching-to-full-blast thing bugs me (not just the Omega, the Nissan did it too). Yes, car, I'd like the cabin warming up .. but you don't need to turn the car into a wind tunnel to do it ;D
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1.Climate control sometimes has a mind of its own
This can be greatly improved by upgrading the firmware and disabling the fan control program, IME.
You can do that? Excellent.. that's another thing on the list for when I finally pay a visit.. ;D That whole randomly-switching-to-full-blast thing bugs me (not just the Omega, the Nissan did it too). Yes, car, I'd like the cabin warming up .. but you don't need to turn the car into a wind tunnel to do it ;D
how is that acheived kevin? would be interested to know :y
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how is that acheived kevin? would be interested to know :y
There's a parameter, accessible by Tech 2 that you can set to calm down the automatic fan control. I'm guessing GM got lots of customer complaints in the early days so added a setting that dealers can use to appease customers who didn't like it.
From what I have noticed, the effects appear to be:
The fan control is much less frenetic. It would previously go to max speed if the temperature deviated by a degree or two from the set point. It now only seems to use high fan speeds if genuinely required to maintain temperature, or where the car is very hot and maximum air con effect is required.
During steady-state driving at a stable temperature the minimum fan setting possible appears to be used. Beforehand, I always felt it used too much fan, causing me to constantly turn it down.
One you have taken it out of auto and set a fan speed manually, it stays at that speed, even if you change a temperature setting, for example. Previously, it would set the fan back to a high speed as soon as you touched anything else.
Depends on your preference. Some people don't have a problem with the standard behaviour, but of all the people for whom I've changed this setting nobody has asked me to put it back again. ;)
Kevin
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hell yes, that one works !
or to put it another way, Kevin is a genius
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or to put it another way, Kevin is a genius
Steady on! :-[ I only pressed a few buttons. ::)
Kevin
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or to put it another way, Kevin is a genius
Steady on! :-[ I only pressed a few buttons. ::)
Kevin
ah yes,but you obviously pressed the right ones :D :D
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how is that acheived kevin? would be interested to know :y
There's a parameter, accessible by Tech 2 that you can set to calm down the automatic fan control. I'm guessing GM got lots of customer complaints in the early days so added a setting that dealers can use to appease customers who didn't like it.
From what I have noticed, the effects appear to be:
The fan control is much less frenetic. It would previously go to max speed if the temperature deviated by a degree or two from the set point. It now only seems to use high fan speeds if genuinely required to maintain temperature, or where the car is very hot and maximum air con effect is required.
During steady-state driving at a stable temperature the minimum fan setting possible appears to be used. Beforehand, I always felt it used too much fan, causing me to constantly turn it down.
One you have taken it out of auto and set a fan speed manually, it stays at that speed, even if you change a temperature setting, for example. Previously, it would set the fan back to a high speed as soon as you touched anything else.
Depends on your preference. Some people don't have a problem with the standard behaviour, but of all the people for whom I've changed this setting nobody has asked me to put it back again. ;)
Kevin
Indeed, I run my Elite with this option disabled. Much better imho. I found the facelift standard to be annoying, far worse than prefacelift.
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Kevin performed this mod on my car at the Essex meet last year (before I owned the car ) it is imo a hell of a lot better than the standard F/L setup. :y