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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: geoffr70 on 05 January 2011, 20:27:43
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Hello, it's not really a help request so I put it here.
Has anyone noticed that there isn't much creep from auto Omegas when in drive, and foot on nothing? I've driven loads of autos in the past and they seem to creep alot more than my auto Elite.
I don't think it's a fault, my box is ok and I've just put new fluid and a filter in. It's not really much of a problem, but would prefer more creep so it would make it easier to park etc.
What does anyone else think?
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Not sure, hadn't particularly noticed any of mine to be any worse (or any better) than most other autos...
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It will certainly hold itself on a small rise of road surface, but on the level it will creep very slowly without any brake application ;)
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I found this too.
Having driven my sisters auto Civic which had a fair bit and then the Omega which has virtually none. Although I did prefer it that way to be honest.
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It will certainly hold itself on a small rise of road surface, but on the level it will creep very slowly without any brake application ;)
Ah yes but I think it would be better if like most other autos I've driven, if it creeped more to make manoevring easier, just so you don't have to left foot brake whilst reverse parking etc.
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Wonder if you're comparing to 4cyl cars - the higher idle may make it seem like more drag?
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park somewhere else ;D
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Certainly on mine, I have no trouble with the creep when manuvering on the level...
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Wonder if you're comparing to 4cyl cars - the higher idle may make it seem like more drag?
Mostly, but a Pathfinder 3.5v6 would fly when it was creeping, a Pajero 3.5v6, and a Dodge Ram with an LS1, they would all creep fast
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i have an auto diesel insignia at the mo and that does'nt creep that much either :y
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i think youre right in that there is less creep (ive driven loads of different autos) and on severe inclines you have to hold the gas as if you were balancing the biting point in a manual.
however its never affected parking?! just put a bit of gas on to get you going then ride the break ;)
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i think youre right in that there is less creep (ive driven loads of different autos) and on severe inclines you have to hold the gas as if you were balancing the biting point in a manual.
however its never affected parking?! just put a bit of gas on to get you going then ride the break ;)
Ah no but that's the point, I mean creep without foot on accelerator. Just like in a manual, one foot on clutch to move, one covering the brake.
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re lack of creep, you want to try parking a car with auto control of a manual box eg SWMBO's Smart or a DSG auto VAG car. They're either driving or not with little in between.
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Ah no but that's the point, I mean creep without foot on accelerator. Just like in a manual, one foot on clutch to move, one covering the brake.
what i meant mate is if youre on an incline trying to park and if u find theres not much creep, just a little bit of gas then cover the break.... if that makes sense lol
as i said on some really big inclines mine may even start to roll back lol only a little tho lol ::)
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re lack of creep, you want to try parking a car with auto control of a manual box eg SWMBO's Smart or a DSG auto VAG car. They're either driving or not with little in between.
Oh yeah like those easytronic things. I've never driven one but been in a few. I know they're awful. My mate burnt the clutch out on a Man prime mover when we got stuck in traffic! The stupid thing!
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can u guys explain this semi-auto, flappy paddle gearbox to me? do u have a clutch? and can it be put in to normal auto mode??? :-[ :-[
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can u guys explain this semi-auto, flappy paddle gearbox to me? do u have a clutch? and can it be put in to normal auto mode??? :-[ :-[
Some semi-auto flappy paddle cars have a conventional fluid drive automatic gearbox underneath which has the ability to be controlled manually or completely automatically if you want. eg a Mitsubishi FTO
Others have a manual gearbox ie a friction plate clutch etc between the flywheel & gearbox BUT has auto controls to do the clutch pedal eg Smart, Easytronic Corsas. DSG gearboxs are similar but have two clutches, one for 1 3 & 5 gears and t'other for 2 4 & 6 gears, so each clutch is either in use or ready to be in use, so the changes are almost instantaneous - the complete opposite to a Smart! :-? Again, you can either just stick it in auto & leave it do do its own thing, or you can change gear yourself with the sequential flappy paddles or + or - gearshift lever.
A 'proper' auto for me please :y :y
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Totally with you on the 'proper auto' Andy B :y
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Totally with you on the 'proper auto' Andy B :y
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I don't have loads of experience with loads of other cars/gearboxes but SWMBO was lent a DSG Passat as a courtesy car. The speed of the change was fast, but I didn't like it :-/ It was just A N Other car to SWMBO :-?
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Totally with you on the 'proper auto' Andy B :y
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I don't have loads of experience with loads of other cars/gearboxes but SWMBO was lent a DSG Passat as a courtesy car. The speed of the change was fast, but I didn't like it :-/ It was just A N Other car to SWMBO :-?
Yeah, the Omega change is fast enough for me though!
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Best manuals belonged to old RWD cars before the strong springs and when gear levers were physically attached.
Best autos are torque converter with epicyclic gears
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Best manuals belonged to old RWD cars before the strong springs and when gear levers were physically attached.
Best autos are torque converter with epicyclic gears
Gearbox in the Nissan is like that - it's basically just a short stick poking out of the top of the box. Beautiful to use :) (Well it was when the car still ran, anyway! ::))
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Best manuals belonged to old RWD cars before the strong springs and when gear levers were physically attached.
Best autos are torque converter with epicyclic gears
Gearbox in the Nissan is like that - it's basically just a short stick poking out of the top of the box. Beautiful to use :) (Well it was when the car still ran, anyway! ::))
but ...... those that have 3 pedals say that the manual g/box in an Omega isn't the nicest of manuals. I've only ever driven one for a mile or so & was still waiting for it to change itself. ;D
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Best manuals belonged to old RWD cars before the strong springs and when gear levers were physically attached.
Best autos are torque converter with epicyclic gears
Gearbox in the Nissan is like that - it's basically just a short stick poking out of the top of the box. Beautiful to use :) (Well it was when the car still ran, anyway! ::))
but ...... those that have 3 pedals say that the manual g/box in an Omega isn't the nicest of manuals. I've only ever driven one for a mile or so & was still waiting for it to change itself. ;D
;D Ah but I rather like three pedals in the cars I enjoy driving in a spirited fashion ;)
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Best manuals belonged to old RWD cars before the strong springs and when gear levers were physically attached.
Best autos are torque converter with epicyclic gears
Gearbox in the Nissan is like that - it's basically just a short stick poking out of the top of the box. Beautiful to use :) (Well it was when the car still ran, anyway! ::))
but ...... those that have 3 pedals say that the manual g/box in an Omega isn't the nicest of manuals. I've only ever driven one for a mile or so & was still waiting for it to change itself. ;D
Mehehehehe! I don't think the manual is that good, it's certainly not a slick change. I think it's got tall gears aswell which I don't like in a manual.
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Best manuals belonged to old RWD cars before the strong springs and when gear levers were physically attached.
Best autos are torque converter with epicyclic gears
Gearbox in the Nissan is like that - it's basically just a short stick poking out of the top of the box. Beautiful to use :) (Well it was when the car still ran, anyway! ::))
but ...... those that have 3 pedals say that the manual g/box in an Omega isn't the nicest of manuals. I've only ever driven one for a mile or so & was still waiting for it to change itself. ;D
;D Ah but I rather like three pedals in the cars I enjoy driving in a spirited fashion ;)
this could lead to another ''which is best?'' thread ...... if we didn't already know that a go & stop pedal is the future! ;) ;) ;)
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this could lead to another ''which is best?'' thread ...... if we didn't already know that a go & stop pedal is the future! ;) ;) ;)
;D ;D ;D We don't want another one of those..
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this could lead to another ''which is best?'' thread ...... if we didn't already know that a go & stop pedal is the future! ;) ;) ;)
;D ;D ;D We don't want another one of those..
we don't, especially at this time of morning. ;D
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The Omega manual is a bit clunky and suffers from the strong side spring all modern boxes suffer from.
I had a Carlton before and that was similar.
But you could find the gears unlike a cable connected WWD car
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It will certainly hold itself on a small rise of road surface, but on the level it will creep very slowly without any brake application ;)
But isn't this a different function of the gearbox Lizzie - hill hold? IIRC this is performed by the brake bands in the 'box. :-/
Creeping in drive is something else surely? And yes I have found that the creep facility in my Omega isn't that strong, especially when it's fully warmed up.
I'm having the atf & filter changed soon(-ish), that may or may not make some difference.
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Certainly creeps if your idle speed goes nuts with an air leak/ dodgy ICV, saw 25 mph in D without touching pedals :o :o
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It will certainly hold itself on a small rise of road surface, but on the level it will creep very slowly without any brake application ;)
But isn't this a different function of the gearbox Lizzie - hill hold? IIRC this is performed by the brake bands in the 'box. :-/
Creeping in drive is something else surely? And yes I have found that the creep facility in my Omega isn't that strong, especially when it's fully warmed up.
I'm having the atf & filter changed soon(-ish), that may or may not make some difference.
Do not understand that. All I know is that in drive I can brake to a stop at say traffic lights on a rising road sufface and it will hold there, without any braking or other selection of gear, until I accelerate again. ;) ;)
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It will certainly hold itself on a small rise of road surface, but on the level it will creep very slowly without any brake application ;)
But isn't this a different function of the gearbox Lizzie - hill hold? IIRC this is performed by the brake bands in the 'box. :-/
Creeping in drive is something else surely? And yes I have found that the creep facility in my Omega isn't that strong, especially when it's fully warmed up.
I'm having the atf & filter changed soon(-ish), that may or may not make some difference.
It didn't for me - I didn't change it for that though.
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Hello, it's not really a help request so I put it here.
Has anyone noticed that there isn't much creep from auto Omegas when in drive, and foot on nothing? I've driven loads of autos in the past and they seem to creep alot more than my auto Elite.
I don't think it's a fault, my box is ok and I've just put new fluid and a filter in. It's not really much of a problem, but would prefer more creep so it would make it easier to park etc.
What does anyone else think?
I agree with your comments, but I suppose more creep (as you call it) could be detrimental in really slippery conditions when trying to park 8-) 8-)
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I think the opposite. More creep will be better in slippery conditions. One, you don't have to use the accelerator so there is less chance of spinning the wheels, and two, your right foot can be covering the brakes, just like it would be in a manual whilst easing the clutch up with your left foot, so the time taken to move your foot from the accelerator to the brake won't matter as you'll be covering it anyway. Whilst trying to squeeze a mig into small spaces this is vital. And I have squeezed the beasts into some very tight spaces, 6 inches front and back literally, with one shunt. I surprised myself! Parallel parking I think is like a mathematical equation, you follow the formula and you can't go wrong.
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I think the opposite. More creep will be better in slippery conditions. One, you don't have to use the accelerator so there is less chance of spinning the wheels, and two, your right foot can be covering the brakes, just like it would be in a manual whilst easing the clutch up with your left foot, so the time taken to move your foot from the accelerator to the brake won't matter as you'll be covering it anyway. Whilst trying to squeeze a mig into small spaces this is vital. And I have squeezed the beasts into some very tight spaces, 6 inches front and back literally, with one shunt. I surprised myself! Parallel parking I think is like a mathematical equation, you follow the formula and you can't go wrong.
I agree, auto creep or snow button has the advantage over a manual in the snow we have had, creep means ultra slow which can get you out of all sorts of problems... :y You could almost get out and push yourself... :D
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I think the opposite. More creep will be better in slippery conditions. One, you don't have to use the accelerator so there is less chance of spinning the wheels, and two, your right foot can be covering the brakes, just like it would be in a manual whilst easing the clutch up with your left foot, so the time taken to move your foot from the accelerator to the brake won't matter as you'll be covering it anyway. Whilst trying to squeeze a mig into small spaces this is vital. And I have squeezed the beasts into some very tight spaces, 6 inches front and back literally, with one shunt. I surprised myself! Parallel parking I think is like a mathematical equation, you follow the formula and you can't go wrong.
I was thinking more in terms of the front wheels skidding / slipping when using full lock in tight maneuvers while using the brake to control the speed. I have had this happen to me in a different car. ::) ::)
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I think the opposite. More creep will be better in slippery conditions. One, you don't have to use the accelerator so there is less chance of spinning the wheels, and two, your right foot can be covering the brakes, just like it would be in a manual whilst easing the clutch up with your left foot, so the time taken to move your foot from the accelerator to the brake won't matter as you'll be covering it anyway. Whilst trying to squeeze a mig into small spaces this is vital. And I have squeezed the beasts into some very tight spaces, 6 inches front and back literally, with one shunt. I surprised myself! Parallel parking I think is like a mathematical equation, you follow the formula and you can't go wrong.
I was thinking more in terms of the front wheels skidding / slipping when using full lock in tight maneuvers while using the brake to control the speed. I have had this happen to me in a different car. ::) ::)
Well then you must either be talking about a FWD car, or going to fast, so should probably use the brake more to control the speed better.
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I think the opposite. More creep will be better in slippery conditions. One, you don't have to use the accelerator so there is less chance of spinning the wheels, and two, your right foot can be covering the brakes, just like it would be in a manual whilst easing the clutch up with your left foot, so the time taken to move your foot from the accelerator to the brake won't matter as you'll be covering it anyway. Whilst trying to squeeze a mig into small spaces this is vital. And I have squeezed the beasts into some very tight spaces, 6 inches front and back literally, with one shunt. I surprised myself! Parallel parking I think is like a mathematical equation, you follow the formula and you can't go wrong.
I was thinking more in terms of the front wheels skidding / slipping when using full lock in tight maneuvers while using the brake to control the speed. I have had this happen to me in a different car. ::) ::)
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I have experienced this when trying to stop, on a couple of occasions in the really bad weather, you need to be ready to knock it into neutral to stop the pushing effect when slowly stopping.... I find the creep more of an advantage overall in the snow and ice. elsewhere I do not use the creep to hold the car on a hill, always knock into neutral when stopped at lights or for any period of time, hold on foot brake or handbrake if a longer period of time... :y
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It will certainly hold itself on a small rise of road surface, but on the level it will creep very slowly without any brake application ;)
But isn't this a different function of the gearbox Lizzie - hill hold? IIRC this is performed by the brake bands in the 'box. :-/
Creeping in drive is something else surely? And yes I have found that the creep facility in my Omega isn't that strong, especially when it's fully warmed up.
I'm having the atf & filter changed soon(-ish), that may or may not make some difference.
It didn't for me - I didn't change it for that though.
Did you notice any improvement in pick-up or fuel economy?
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I think the opposite. More creep will be better in slippery conditions. One, you don't have to use the accelerator so there is less chance of spinning the wheels, and two, your right foot can be covering the brakes, just like it would be in a manual whilst easing the clutch up with your left foot, so the time taken to move your foot from the accelerator to the brake won't matter as you'll be covering it anyway. Whilst trying to squeeze a mig into small spaces this is vital. And I have squeezed the beasts into some very tight spaces, 6 inches front and back literally, with one shunt. I surprised myself! Parallel parking I think is like a mathematical equation, you follow the formula and you can't go wrong.
I was thinking more in terms of the front wheels skidding / slipping when using full lock in tight maneuvers while using the brake to control the speed. I have had this happen to me in a different car. ::) ::)
Well then you must either be talking about a FWD car, or going to fast, so should probably use the brake more to control the speed better.
Thanks for the advice. Only been driving for about 34 years :o :o
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I think the opposite. More creep will be better in slippery conditions. One, you don't have to use the accelerator so there is less chance of spinning the wheels, and two, your right foot can be covering the brakes, just like it would be in a manual whilst easing the clutch up with your left foot, so the time taken to move your foot from the accelerator to the brake won't matter as you'll be covering it anyway. Whilst trying to squeeze a mig into small spaces this is vital. And I have squeezed the beasts into some very tight spaces, 6 inches front and back literally, with one shunt. I surprised myself! Parallel parking I think is like a mathematical equation, you follow the formula and you can't go wrong.
I was thinking more in terms of the front wheels skidding / slipping when using full lock in tight maneuvers while using the brake to control the speed. I have had this happen to me in a different car. ::) ::)
Well then you must either be talking about a FWD car, or going to fast, so should probably use the brake more to control the speed better.
Thanks for the advice. Only been driving for about 34 years :o :o
Your welcome! I know people who have been driving alot longer than that and they're still rubbish! Time doesn't mean anything :y
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I think the opposite. More creep will be better in slippery conditions. One, you don't have to use the accelerator so there is less chance of spinning the wheels, and two, your right foot can be covering the brakes, just like it would be in a manual whilst easing the clutch up with your left foot, so the time taken to move your foot from the accelerator to the brake won't matter as you'll be covering it anyway. Whilst trying to squeeze a mig into small spaces this is vital. And I have squeezed the beasts into some very tight spaces, 6 inches front and back literally, with one shunt. I surprised myself! Parallel parking I think is like a mathematical equation, you follow the formula and you can't go wrong.
I was thinking more in terms of the front wheels skidding / slipping when using full lock in tight maneuvers while using the brake to control the speed. I have had this happen to me in a different car. ::) ::)
Well then you must either be talking about a FWD car, or going to fast, so should probably use the brake more to control the speed better.
Thanks for the advice. Only been driving for about 34 years :o :o
Your welcome! I know people who have been driving alot longer than that and they're still rubbish! Time doesn't mean anything :y
In some cases, yes, I’ll grant you that one. But then we all like to think we are good at driving, don’t we! ;) ;).
The car I was referring too earlier was a Rover P6 Auto with the 3.5 V8, and had a manual choke (remember those?) I admit I was relatively inexperienced in those days (late 70's) as an apprentice motor mechanic, just passed my test an all, but with this thing on full choke, and me trying to hold it on the brakes on a slippery surface....well you can probably guess the rest. But did just manage to miss a brick wall. Happy days eh? ;D ;D