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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 29 March 2011, 21:06:37
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Hi guys
I've searched, but can't find any info.
Do any of you have pics / info re locating the filler behind the number plate, on saloons? Seems a good option for mine! :y
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There may be some pictures taken (and a "How to") in the near future :-X :-X ;) ;)
Needs some welding IIRC
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You need to cut a hole in the steel crossmember behind the bumper and mount a plate that spaces the filler back from the bumper a little. We welded TheBoy's but no reason why a few nuts and bolts couldn't be used instead.
The crossmember then takes all the strain rather than the bumper, which just sits in front of the filler.
Don't believe we took any pictures. Chrisgixer was too ashamed of his handywork with the angle grinder and I was too ashamed of mine with the welder. :-[
;D
Kevin
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You need to cut a hole in the steel crossmember behind the bumper and mount a plate that spaces the filler back from the bumper a little. We welded TheBoy's but no reason why a few nuts and bolts couldn't be used instead.
The crossmember then takes all the strain rather than the bumper, which just sits in front of the filler.
Don't believe we took any pictures. Chrisgixer was too ashamed of his handywork with the angle grinder and I was too ashamed of mine with the welder. :-[
;D
Kevin
But there'll be some taken this time around ;) ;) :y :y
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Don't believe we took any pictures. Chrisgixer was too ashamed of his handywork with the angle grinder and I was too ashamed of mine with the welder. :-[
And I was ashamed of the iron oxide ;D
Mr Wood, your welding looked pretty respectable to me needs more practice so I would suggest trying once again...
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would be very james bond lol
do it
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would be very james bond lol
do it
Some of us already have ;)
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do you have special flipping number plates?
Rockets?
Lasers?
;D ;D :D :D
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do you have special flipping number plates?
Rockets?
Lasers?
;D ;D :D :D
I suspect the A43 and M40 would feature in the news somewhat more regularly if he did. ::)
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i suppose the rocket in this case is the car itself when TheBoy is behind the wheel lol
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It's easy enough to do, this is the mk1 version, attached solely the plastic bumper, which does flex a little when the filler is attached. TB has the mk2 version where the filler is attached to a flat metal bracket wealded to the cross member to take the stress off the bumper. But the bumper mounting is fine, it's just that TB is a worrier. ;D
Note that a tow bar complicates matters somewhat, and the bracket used has no catch to hold it open while the filler is attached, the cap is used for this purpose, while the pump nozzle is attached at a horizontal position if needed, depending on access with tow bar and the opening of the bracket used.
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/e41c6170.jpg)
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Also note the filler has to be 300 mil away from the exhaust to comply with cop2 so if using an irmscher either side exhaust exit it really should be in the middle. :-X ::)
Needs thinking through for your usage.
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This looks nice, I had been thinking about something similar, as mine is attached onto the towbar, and when I reverse a bit too far, the filler grounds, and get damaged on kerbs etc. However, my local filling station has added a stiff plastic flap around the filler, presumably to control the gas that escapes when you uncouple, about 7" dia, which would foul both the top of the number plate gap and the number plate its self. Hingeing the plate at the top would be a bit easier, but it would restrict your vision when coupling up.
There doesn't seem a better place to fit the filler. All I can think of is to fit another petrol filler on say the other side, but have a gas point in there. This would need a chunk of cutting, welding and painting to look good, with the advantage if you wired up the solenoid, nobody could get access to the cap unless they forced it. However it might still foul a flap like I have described. If I remember, I take a photo next time I fill up.
Ken
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I know what you mean re those circular guards Ken. It would be better if the number plate hinged further down, as TB said on previous occasions, those guards would be easier to juggle then, hence my comment re tow bar holding the number plate up. I have had one of those fillers on there with bit of fiddle. But it's only the number plate flap angle that hinders. Could probably get another 30 degrees of opening out of that bracket no problem with no tow bar. Most the fillers round here are just a trigger with no guard, so easy enough. But it's something to consider as you say. :y
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Needs a bit of creative thinking, and back of fag packet design.... After several pints of course !
Ken
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And a curry of course. ;D :y
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I know what you mean re those circular guards Ken. It would be better if the number plate hinged further down, as TB said on previous occasions, those guards would be easier to juggle then, hence my comment re tow bar holding the number plate up. I have had one of those fillers on there with bit of fiddle. But it's only the number plate flap angle that hinders. Could probably get another 30 degrees of opening out of that bracket no problem with no tow bar. Most the fillers round here are just a trigger with no guard, so easy enough. But it's something to consider as you say. :y
Both types of fillers around these parts have the guard.
I can see that the more common type this way (De Visser type - http://www.lpg-vehicles.co.uk/lpg_suppliers/filling-instructions.htm) being particularly troublesome with the top edge of bumper and a number plate being in the way - not a problem with my MV6, though I tend attach filler with lever pointing down.
Very little Gas-Guard fillers (better, easier imho) around these parts, in fact I can only think of 2 within a 30m radius...
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You could always fit the filler itself less deeply recessed into the bumper. You might have to sacrifice the cap on the filler although it'll be protected by the number plate anyway so I can't see a big issue with that.
Kevin
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I need to fit mine in the rear quarter panel, although I like the idea of the James bond filler :y
Regular towing of boats restricting access to the towbar and the rear area of the car would make filling lpg a pain.
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I've filled up while towing with my towbar filler. It really wasn't a problem, TBH. Depends what you tow, of course.
IIRC Sassanach has the proper punch for cutting filler holes in bodywork. If you're feeling brave it might be worth having a word with him.
Kevin
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It's tricky getting access with the big boat hitched. I'll speak to sassantch :y
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If not, I'm sure Teilo would lend me one ;)
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I know what you mean re those circular guards Ken. It would be better if the number plate hinged further down, as TB said on previous occasions, those guards would be easier to juggle then, hence my comment re tow bar holding the number plate up. I have had one of those fillers on there with bit of fiddle. But it's only the number plate flap angle that hinders. Could probably get another 30 degrees of opening out of that bracket no problem with no tow bar. Most the fillers round here are just a trigger with no guard, so easy enough. But it's something to consider as you say. :y
Both types of fillers around these parts have the guard.
I can see that the more common type this way (De Visser type - http://www.lpg-vehicles.co.uk/lpg_suppliers/filling-instructions.htm) being particularly troublesome with the top edge of bumper and a number plate being in the way - not a problem with my MV6, though I tend attach filler with lever pointing down.
Very little Gas-Guard fillers (better, easier imho) around these parts, in fact I can only think of 2 within a 30m radius...
Yes, that De Visser type is what is at my (cheap :y :y :y ) local. Have to think about this one ::)
Ken
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i'm still not convinced on a number plate filler, there are a number of times when I would have not been able to pull far enough forward for pump to reach.
Most times at Asda, i have to stop mm's away from car in front to pump to reach
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i'm still not convinced on a number plate filler, there are a number of times when I would have not been able to pull far enough forward for pump to reach.
Most times at Asda, i have to stop mm's away from car in front to pump to reach
At the place in Towcester, due to the layout of the cheap petrol pumps (only the front ones, the rear set near the LPG are premium only), it queues. As they now have longer hoses, it does reach if somebody is queuing, but before, I'd swing it in backwards ;)
And having a central filler, I can use both sides ;)
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i'm still not convinced on a number plate filler, there are a number of times when I would have not been able to pull far enough forward for pump to reach.
Most times at Asda, i have to stop mm's away from car in front to pump to reach
At the place in Towcester, due to the layout of the cheap petrol pumps (only the front ones, the rear set near the LPG are premium only), it queues. As they now have longer hoses, it does reach if somebody is queuing, but before, I'd swing it in backwards ;)
And having a central filler, I can use both sides ;)
I did that in my commuting days, but if a faf. You then get some dozy cow stop in front of you, meaning you can't pull forward.
Then do a 3-point turn to face the right away again!
Also get beeped when I only pull forward to LPG pump, when the petrol ones are free in front, Hello!??! do you not see the LPG filler? Numpties!
Couple of times i've had to stretch the LPG pipe to reach, and because of the recoil, quite a lot of 'sideways' pressure is applied, so I had to hold it to keep it slack to the filler.
Also find trying to attach nozzle when its extended a fair way is not fun in crap weather!
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Couple of times i've had to stretch the LPG pipe to reach, and because of the recoil, quite a lot of 'sideways' pressure is applied, so I had to hold it to keep it slack to the filler.
Thats why my filler is mounted to metal crossmembers, not flimsy plastic ;)
Also find trying to attach nozzle when its extended a fair way is not fun in crap weather!
Eh?
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With a towbar mounted filler I have filled up while towing at a supermarket in Salisbury, somewhere near Honiton and BP Whitehouse services near Okehampton.
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And having a central filler, I can use both sides ;)
Yes, that's certainly something I'm glad of.
Normally only 2 LPG pumps at a station, so being able to use either saves leaving too much rubber on the forecourt, because you can guarantee that the one you'd otherwise have to use would be occupied by some cretin doing his weekly shop while he's there. >:(
Kevin
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Could you split the number plate in half or just the 3rd that covered the filler, so that a towbar is not a problem??
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Could you split the number plate in half or just the 3rd that covered the filler, so that a towbar is not a problem??
That was a back up plan at one stage, hence it's off to the right. Managed to get away with it though. :y
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I suspect splitting the plate may get unwelcome notice from a nice gentleman in a jam sandwich...
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It's easy enough to do, this is the mk1 version, attached solely the plastic bumper, which does flex a little when the filler is attached. TB has the mk2 version where the filler is attached to a flat metal bracket wealded to the cross member to take the stress off the bumper. But the bumper mounting is fine, it's just that TB is a worrier. ;D
Note that a tow bar complicates matters somewhat, and the bracket used has no catch to hold it open while the filler is attached, the cap is used for this purpose, while the pump nozzle is attached at a horizontal position if needed, depending on access with tow bar and the opening of the bracket used.
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/e41c6170.jpg)
Hi all, I am new to the forum and have had several Omegas over the years although I do not currently own one. I am however building a Cobra replica and came across this post in my search for a flip down license plate holder. I was wondering if anyone on this forum can give me info from where I can buy one similar to that in the photo above?
Thanks in advance,
Stuart.
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I am however building a Cobra replica
Damn, I'm no longer unique here! (I know, I know, I'm stretching the definition of "building" as it's more "looking at")
[edit] I had to go looking for this - I was going to suggest asking tommy-boy what hinge he used, but then I realised his hinges upward, not downward: http://www.cobraclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56051&page=2&p=538659#post538659
[edit edit] I went and found the thread that originally discussed this, here's where Chris managed to source a second one: http://oldsite.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1289737992/42#42
The link to the catalogue page no longer works but maybe the company noted there still makes them :y
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Cough cough.... Housekeeping!!! :D :D
It's easy enough to do, this is the mk1 version, attached solely the plastic bumper, which does flex a little when the filler is attached. TB has the mk2 version where the filler is attached to a flat metal bracket wealded to the cross member to take the stress off the bumper. But the bumper mounting is fine, it's just that TB is a worrier. ;D
Note that a tow bar complicates matters somewhat, and the bracket used has no catch to hold it open while the filler is attached, the cap is used for this purpose, while the pump nozzle is attached at a horizontal position if needed, depending on access with tow bar and the opening of the bracket used.
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/e41c6170.jpg)
Hi all, I am new to the forum and have had several Omegas over the years although I do not currently own one. I am however building a Cobra replica and came across this post in my search for a flip down license plate holder. I was wondering if anyone on this forum can give me info from where I can buy one similar to that in the photo above?
Thanks in advance,
Stuart.
Welcome Stuart. I believe they are still available.
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Building a cobra replica........and driving a renault. Good man, Stu :y
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The company that chrisgixer and I got ours from, in Belgium, no longer lists them, and I've been unable to source another.
Hence, I had to fix my original homemade one on the other Omega.
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Ive been looking into getting a kit fitted and the fitting center wont fit the filler in the rear unless you have a towbar fitted.
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Ive been looking into getting a kit fitted and the fitting center wont fit the filler in the rear unless you have a towbar fitted.
Other fitters available ;)
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Piano Hinge, magnets, epoxy and screws.
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Ive been looking into getting a kit fitted and the fitting center wont fit the filler in the rear unless you have a towbar fitted.
Don't go to a fitting centre, DIY. I will almost guarantee that they will do a piss poor job... Only ever seen 2 "Professionally" fitted kits that pass my inspection ;)
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Ive been looking into getting a kit fitted and the fitting center wont fit the filler in the rear unless you have a towbar fitted.
Don't go to a fitting centre, DIY. I will almost guarantee that they will do a piss poor job... Only ever seen 2 "Professionally" fitted kits that pass my inspection ;)
its beyond my skill level to fit and would like the certification as well.
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Ive been looking into getting a kit fitted and the fitting center wont fit the filler in the rear unless you have a towbar fitted.
Don't go to a fitting centre, DIY. I will almost guarantee that they will do a piss poor job... Only ever seen 2 "Professionally" fitted kits that pass my inspection ;)
its beyond my skill level to fit and would like the certification as well.
If you decide to go for an install .. do a LOT of research on the installer ... ask for details of jobs done, and then actually contact those and discuss the work, if possible actually look at a converted car.
DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER those "do it in a day" merchants .. they cut so many corners the image becomes a circle !! (ie drilling the manifolds without removing them from the car ... think .. where does all the swarf go ?? how do they get the angles right ?? etc etc).
My conversion took 4 days by a professional company... as the man said .. a day for the engine, 1/2 a day for the electrics, 1/2 a day for the front to back plumbing, a day for the tank, and a day to set it up and test it properly.
8 years and 80,000 miles later it is still as good as it ever was ... and other than annual service (filter change) the only problem it has had was an internal tank pick-up problem (corrosion) which required a replacement tank .... and every mile I drive saves me (on average) 10 pence over petrol (15 pence/mile as against 25 pence/mile)
:)
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The company that chrisgixer and I got ours from, in Belgium, no longer lists them, and I've been unable to source another.
Hence, I had to fix my original homemade one on the other Omega.
Thanks for all the replies. Sorry about the Renault :). I was fortunate to have 3 Omegas in the past a 2.5 followed by a 3.0 Elite and then a 3.2 Elite. All great cars. The Renault is just a 'make do' cheap run around for now.
Shame that these licence plate holders are so hard to find. You can get US style plate flip down holders easily from eBay but not the Euro ones. Oh well, it looks like it may well be DIY then.
If however I find a source I will let you know.
All the best for now.
Stuart.
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Piano Hinge, magnets, epoxy and screws.
Much like my home made one. Only needs springs as well to keep it closed enough for mags to work, and the mags rust like buggery, no matter what I do to them :(
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Hinged at the top would, in some way, make sense as it would still leave space to connect the nozzle up
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Hinged at the top would, in some way, make sense as it would still leave space to connect the nozzle up
The bumper profile makes it inconvenient, as it stops it opening more than about 100-110 degrees. Been there, tried that.
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On my 3.2 Manual Plod the LPG filler cap is mounted on the rear bumper under the number plate, a few inches down, bit awkward when filling but well out of the way.
I know its not the same as hidden behind the plate, but if colour coded its hardly visible.
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Piano Hinge, magnets, epoxy and screws.
Much like my home made one. Only needs springs as well to keep it closed enough for mags to work, and the mags rust like buggery, no matter what I do to them :(
Epoxy paint?
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Piano Hinge, magnets, epoxy and screws.
Much like my home made one. Only needs springs as well to keep it closed enough for mags to work, and the mags rust like buggery, no matter what I do to them :(
Epoxy paint?
I my case, where the 2 magnets touch, they scrape paint off.
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I my case, where the 2 magnets touch, they scrape paint off.
Wrap the magnets in Vinyl? :-\
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I my case, where the 2 magnets touch, they scrape paint off.
Wrap the magnets in Vinyl? :-\
Or just replace them every couple of years ;D :-[