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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Darth Loo-knee on 21 April 2011, 09:28:39
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A mate of mine picked me up yesterday in his WRX GTi whatever. . Now I was sat in the passenger seat waiting to feel sick and yet it didn't happen. I actually told him that Obi my MV6 I am sure would not be shaken by it.
I thought these cars were fast?
At a place I know I have driven plenty of times at the speed limit he was doing no more. . My have to put Obi in the position :D
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Have you been at the shandies again Daz? ;D ;D ;D
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Poverty engine spec ones are only 220-230bhp iirc
Very few are the full on 270bhp+ ones.
I've kept up with plenty of them on 'motorways' in the 50-70mphish blat in a V6.
Off the line you will loose out but once rolling its anyones guess (uless there are some bends!! ;D)
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yep .. they are fast.. engines "interesting" .. but they are nothing more than a coke can.. will prefer omega everytime..
and one more thing.. if I want something really fast , I would consider a bike -which occupies my head nowadays and is a debate subject between wife and me.. :-/ (thinking of Yamaha YZF R1)
if I die , you are responsible OOF bikers ;D ;D
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.... and is a debate subject between wife and me.. :-/ (thinking of Yamaha YZF R1) .....
Just buy it Cem, silent meals don't last forever! ;D ;D ;D
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yep .. they are fast.. engines "interesting" .. but they are nothing more than a coke can.. will prefer omega everytime..
and one more thing.. if I want something really fast , I would consider a bike -which occupies my head nowadays and is a debate subject between wife and me.. :-/ (thinking of Yamaha YZF R1)
if I die , you are responsible OOF bikers ;D ;D
Subaru is very basic Cem your right.
I have a bike too which only goes as fast as I want it too ;D
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.... and is a debate subject between wife and me.. :-/ (thinking of Yamaha YZF R1) .....
Just buy it Cem, silent meals don't last forever! ;D ;D ;D
Or has I have had a lot of. . .
Deaf and Dumb Dinners ;D
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.... and is a debate subject between wife and me.. :-/ (thinking of Yamaha YZF R1) .....
Just buy it Cem, silent meals don't last forever! ;D ;D ;D
finally!!
someone who says buy it.. I'm fed up of people saying you will die :(
everyone dies one day.. and I'm sure I'll drive bike more carefully than I do on cars :)
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.... and is a debate subject between wife and me.. :-/ (thinking of Yamaha YZF R1) .....
Just buy it Cem, silent meals don't last forever! ;D ;D ;D
finally!!
someone who says buy it.. I'm fed up of people saying you will die :(
everyone dies one day.. and I'm sure I'll drive bike more carefully than I do on cars :)
:y :y :y :y Go for it! ;)
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.... and is a debate subject between wife and me.. :-/ (thinking of Yamaha YZF R1) .....
Just buy it Cem, silent meals don't last forever! ;D ;D ;D
finally!!
someone who says buy it.. I'm fed up of people saying you will die :(
everyone dies one day.. and I'm sure I'll drive bike more carefully than I do on cars :)
:y :y :y :y Go for it! ;)
I will :y :y :y :y
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(thinking of Yamaha YZF R1)
I test rode both an R1 and an R6 for a friend just before he passed his test, and I would highly recommend the R6 over the R1.
Yes the R1 is faster in a straight line, but unless your roads are long & straight then the R6 will take the R1 any day thanks to it's shorter wheelbase and reduced weight over the R1.
The R6 is no sloth either, I was taken by surprise at how quickly I found myself the wrong side of 120mph, and I've been riding 37 years.
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(thinking of Yamaha YZF R1)
I test rode both an R1 and an R6 for a friend just before he passed his test, and I would highly recommend the R6 over the R1.
Yes the R1 is faster in a straight line, but unless your roads are long & straight then the R6 will take the R1 any day thanks to it's shorter wheelbase and reduced weight over the R1.
The R6 is no sloth either, I was taken by surprise at how quickly I found myself the wrong side of 120mph, and I've been riding 37 years.
yep.. reason is R1 is cheaper.. anyway I dont plan to try its limits ..had enough accidents in the past ;D :y
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I know that my old 3.0 Carlton diamond estate upset a scooby off the lights one "track day" [1]
I was a good 100 yards in front of him until I reached the first corner - the carlton didn't really do corners :(
[1] airfield of a friend of a friend, borrowed for the day.
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I have no problem with scoob's. my mate has a mega wrx sti rally thing that he thinks the world oh. He still cant touch me init. that upsets him a bit. but then most will get upset when they see a 17 year old omega roar past them. ::)
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(thinking of Yamaha YZF R1)
I test rode both an R1 and an R6 for a friend just before he passed his test, and I would highly recommend the R6 over the R1.
Yes the R1 is faster in a straight line, but unless your roads are long & straight then the R6 will take the R1 any day thanks to it's shorter wheelbase and reduced weight over the R1.
The R6 is no sloth either, I was taken by surprise at how quickly I found myself the wrong side of 120mph, and I've been riding 37 years.
I would completely disagree with that.Having riden both - the R6 is similar to riding an old 2 stroke, you need to be constantly revving the tits off it and going up and down through the box to make good progress, great little track bike, but can be hard work on the road. The R1 is only about 10kg heavier, which isnt noticeable at all, particularily with all the extra torque and bhp, lower down the rev range - open it up in almost any gear and hang on tight. The wheelbase on the bigger bike is approx 13mm longer (probably to help keep the front wheel on the ground) which may be noticeable on the track, wouldnt make much odds on the road, apart from making it a bit less flighty over the bumps.
An R1 imo will leave an R6 in its wake in most situations, and be a much more fun in the process.
Having said all that - Cem, if your not very experienced and you buy an R1, you may well go out in style. They are savagely fast, and the grunt from the engine will be addictive. There is a good chance you will either lose your license or hurt yourself, or worse. ;)
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Had an R1 when they first came out in red and white,it was awesome go for it,
:) :) :) :) :) :)
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well after owning loads of bikes in my youth/mainly dirt) i got myself a licnce last year would anyone out there have any suggestions on a sensible bike to buy i never got my licensce before as i never trusted myself but now at the age of 40 i think i can read alot more situations as before so any suggestions, i was pretty hung up on a honda hornet for a while but then i had a 600 as a school bike (yamaha x600 i think) and it wasn't really as quick as i thought a 600 would be
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(thinking of Yamaha YZF R1)
I test rode both an R1 and an R6 for a friend just before he passed his test, and I would highly recommend the R6 over the R1.
Yes the R1 is faster in a straight line, but unless your roads are long & straight then the R6 will take the R1 any day thanks to it's shorter wheelbase and reduced weight over the R1.
The R6 is no sloth either, I was taken by surprise at how quickly I found myself the wrong side of 120mph, and I've been riding 37 years.
I would completely disagree with that.Having riden both - the R6 is similar to riding an old 2 stroke, you need to be constantly revving the tits off it and going up and down through the box to make good progress, great little track bike, but can be hard work on the road. The R1 is only about 10kg heavier, which isnt noticeable at all, particularily with all the extra torque and bhp, lower down the rev range - open it up in almost any gear and hang on tight. The wheelbase on the bigger bike is approx 13mm longer (probably to help keep the front wheel on the ground) which may be noticeable on the track, wouldnt make much odds on the road, apart from making it a bit less flighty over the bumps.
An R1 imo will leave an R6 in its wake in most situations, and be a much more fun in the process.
Having said all that - Cem, if your not very experienced and you buy an R1, you may well go out in style. They are savagely fast, and the grunt from the engine will be addictive. There is a good chance you will either lose your license or hurt yourself, or worse. ;)
thanks Albs.. :y
I know my limits .. and how deadly it is..and I'm not 20.. only having midlife crisis now ;D
seriously want to buy it for soo long.. and wont prefer to damage 1. neither me 2. nor the "machine" :y
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.... and is a debate subject between wife and me.. :-/ (thinking of Yamaha YZF R1) .....
Just buy it Cem, silent meals don't last forever! ;D ;D ;D
Or has I have had a lot of. . .
Deaf and Dumb Dinners ;D
You are lucky to get dinners at all, (deaf/dumb or whatever) if you upset your SWMBO, upset my, and mine dinner usually ends up in the dog!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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.... and is a debate subject between wife and me.. :-/ (thinking of Yamaha YZF R1) .....
Just buy it Cem, silent meals don't last forever! ;D ;D ;D
finally!!
someone who says buy it.. I'm fed up of people saying you will die :(
everyone dies one day.. and I'm sure I'll drive bike more carefully than I do on cars :)
...but (hopefully) not on the first day! ;D
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Ah well, I have gone and bought an Impressa ::)
It will keep Obi company :y
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The thing about bikes, especially Jap sports bikes, is that you are always going to want to go fast, acceleration (or adrenaline) is addictive and you can guarantee that every time you get on the damned thing you will end up breaking the speed limit, the faster you are going the less time you will have to react to other road users.
My Mate used to have this Kawakaki ZX6R...
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo273/brikheadphoto/26-08-06_13291.jpg)
It's a much better bike for a novice than a 1,000cc machine.
Back to the original subject.
The only time an Omega will ever be quicker than a Subaru is on a motorway airfield at over 140...
The white estate in the picture below is a standard U.K. spec vehicle and I know it would leave any of the Omega's I've driven for dead!
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo273/brikheadphoto/MeandmyMates.jpg)
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Any of the Impreza range (blower type) will piss all over a standard Omega! No question about it.
It's not until you get to 100MPH+ where the Omega may make some ground, and due to gearing will potentially have a greater top speed.
First corner, the Impreza will be a small dot in the distance, and not in the Rear View Mirror either.
Sorry, but anyone who thinks their Omega will outrun a STi Impreza is badly, badly deluded.
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An omega will beat a scooby in just about every other respect, apart from 'what looks the most chavviest' though!
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Any of the Impreza range (blower type) will piss all over a standard Omega! No question about it.
It's not until you get to 100MPH+ where the Omega may make some ground, and due to gearing will potentially have a greater top speed.
First corner, the Impreza will be a small dot in the distance, and not in the Rear View Mirror either.
Sorry, but anyone who thinks their Omega will outrun a STi Impreza is badly, badly deluded.
Yup.
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I have only ever been in one Imprezza turbo. It was an import with a very low geared diff for some reason (top speed was only around 115mph), the acceleration was very quick indeed, and way beyond any omega I have been in.
The Imprezza is also very easy to extract a lot more BHP from via chipping etc.
Totally different type of car from an Omega of course. ;)
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Any of the Impreza range (blower type) will piss all over a standard Omega! No question about it.
It's not until you get to 100MPH+ where the Omega may make some ground, and due to gearing will potentially have a greater top speed.
First corner, the Impreza will be a small dot in the distance, and not in the Rear View Mirror either.
Sorry, but anyone who thinks their Omega will outrun a STi Impreza is badly, badly deluded.
As will an MX5 unless the Mig is driven by someone who really can drive......as proven at a York Meet.... :-X
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Any of the Impreza range (blower type) will piss all over a standard Omega! No question about it.
It's not until you get to 100MPH+ where the Omega may make some ground, and due to gearing will potentially have a greater top speed.
First corner, the Impreza will be a small dot in the distance, and not in the Rear View Mirror either.
Sorry, but anyone who thinks their Omega will outrun a STi Impreza is badly, badly deluded.
As will an MX5 unless the Mig is driven by someone who really can drive......as proven at a York Meet.... :-X
Apart from the one I destroyed in my automatic after he tried to show off infront of his girlfriend!
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Any of the Impreza range (blower type) will piss all over a standard Omega! No question about it.
It's not until you get to 100MPH+ where the Omega may make some ground, and due to gearing will potentially have a greater top speed.
First corner, the Impreza will be a small dot in the distance, and not in the Rear View Mirror either.
Sorry, but anyone who thinks their Omega will outrun a STi Impreza is badly, badly deluded.
As will an MX5 unless the Mig is driven by someone who really can drive......as proven at a York Meet.... :-X
Apart from the one I destroyed in my automatic after he tried to show off infront of his girlfriend!
Vamps was refering to the race from a standing start that did happen at a York Meet on an airfield.
The Mx5 did win no doubt about it but if the race had been much further the omegas would have caught up. . . Lucky the race was not any longer then :D ;D
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I have only ever been in one Imprezza turbo. It was an import with a very low geared diff for some reason (top speed was only around 115mph), the acceleration was very quick indeed, and way beyond any omega I have been in.
The Imprezza is also very easy to extract a lot more BHP from via chipping etc.
Totally different type of car from an Omega of course. ;)
all jap imports are restricted to 112mph i think
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But... I can gaurentee you that MINE will. I know this coz i have done it :P
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I remember the York meet. And the airfield. And Petes mx5 in my mirror. 3 or 4 times, as I recall.....
Perhaps Pete had just done lunch.
Perhaps I had just refilled the 3.2 estate.
Perhaps I was calling the start and had a millisecond advantage!
Either way, I am quite unsure as to whether the scoobie or the omega would come out on top. Different cars, driven by similarly trained and bottle proof drivers, on the same track? Probably the scoobie.
Trained driver in the omega versus standard enthusiastic scooby owner? I would probably give that one to the omega, tbh.
Would be fun On a private track though! Lol! ;D
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Daft Lo-knee is now in the perfect position to answer the question, so perhaps he should enlighten us all with his views. ;)
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comparing a turbo 4x4 with an athmospheric executive not so meaningful imo :-/
sti 0-60 around 5 secs as stock..and the tame wrx nearly 6.. :-/
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Daft Lo-knee is now in the perfect position to answer the question, so perhaps he should enlighten us all with his views. ;)
I do have "Mace" my Impreza and "Obi" my Facelift MV6.
I have to say Mace has that rush of power that I am certain would beat the Omega off the line, also say sat at 70mph and you put that Loud pedal down it is up to 100mph in a blink of an eye I joke you not.. (yes all this took place on an Airfield)
Obi though has the Grunt, in 5th gear it will pull and pull. Also it seems asthough on the same section of airstrip the actual speed at the particular place seems to be the same.. It is how the Impreza does it in that Massive Rush that could give the illusion :o
However there is no doubt the MV6 handles well but the Impreza is far better. In fact you feel a far better driver in the Impreza if that makes any sense at all.
I am a lucky Boy who will post a few Pictures of My Babies as soon as I can :y
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Awaits the new film "Fast & Furious Boslem Drift". ;D ;D
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I have to say Mace has that rush of power that I am certain would beat the Omega off the line, also say sat at 70mph and you put that Loud pedal down it is up to 100mph in a blink of an eye I joke you not.. (yes all this took place on an Airfield)
Obi though has the Grunt, in 5th gear it will pull and pull. Also it seems asthough on the same section of airstrip the actual speed at the particular place seems to be the same.. It is how the Impreza does it in that Massive Rush that could give the illusion :o
What you describe is probably down to the totally different power delivery. Turbo cars tend to give a shove in the seat of the pants as the torque builds quite rapidly whereas with a V6 it rolls in smoothly and is there over the whole range from 2k up to the red line.
Turbo cars can feel faster than they are, especially if they have been tuned by someone who doesn't understand the subtleties of boost control. I've seen some dyno plots where the boost comes in with a huge spike at quite high revs. Probably feels terrifyingly quick for the driver (and makes the car undriveable) but when you look at the narrow power band it's probably very difficult to keep the car on the boil. Not something that can be said about the Omega's V6.
A little time on an airfield with my Race Technology AP22 might produce some interesting figures.
Having said all this, a scooby must have a significant weight advantage over an Omega, and similar power, so I would be surprised if they weren't quicker.
Kevin
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I have to say Mace has that rush of power that I am certain would beat the Omega off the line, also say sat at 70mph and you put that Loud pedal down it is up to 100mph in a blink of an eye I joke you not.. (yes all this took place on an Airfield)
Obi though has the Grunt, in 5th gear it will pull and pull. Also it seems asthough on the same section of airstrip the actual speed at the particular place seems to be the same.. It is how the Impreza does it in that Massive Rush that could give the illusion :o
What you describe is probably down to the totally different power delivery. Turbo cars tend to give a shove in the seat of the pants as the torque builds quite rapidly whereas with a V6 it rolls in smoothly and is there over the whole range from 2k up to the red line.
Turbo cars can feel faster than they are, especially if they have been tuned by someone who doesn't understand the subtleties of boost control. I've seen some dyno plots where the boost comes in with a huge spike at quite high revs. Probably feels terrifyingly quick for the driver (and makes the car undriveable) but when you look at the narrow power band it's probably very difficult to keep the car on the boil. Not something that can be said about the Omega's V6.
A little time on an airfield with my Race Technology AP22 might produce some interesting figures.
Having said all this, a scooby must have a significant weight advantage over an Omega, and similar power, so I would be surprised if they weren't quicker.
Kevin
Kev, thats exactly what I meant ;D
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A friend of mine bought an chipped Impreza a few years back eagerly took me for a spin in it, then asked me the question?, yea its ok I replied, but not as quick as my Sierra Sapphire, rubbish was he's response.
So next were bashing arround in my RWD Sapphire Cosworth, mildly tunned to 310bhp.
He's response yea, my Impreza quick, but this is mental, think Ive bought the wrong car.
:D
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Fastest car I've ever had was my old revision 1 mkII MR2 turbo. Standard apart from decatted exhaust, boost limiter removed in 1st gear, lowered and stiffened.
It was down as 0-60 in 6 seconds on paper, but even bearing in mind what Kevin said about the torque build up in turbo cars, it was much much quicker.
Nothing with 4 wheels could get passed it, boy racers were a joke, it easily outdragged my dads T5 from 50-80 (which i hear are meant to be faster than 911s at this), it destroyed just about every fast non-supercar you can think of, even a few Porsches! Not even a GSX-R 600 could get away from me in it. As for Scoobies, they didn't stand a chance.
As it was an import, perhaps it had unbeknown to me been modified in Japan, but it was QUICK.
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The ol' Mk2's are quick cars (and modified there are some seriously quick ones!) .. I have a soft spot for them :)
I was out in the fastest car I've ever been in yesterday, though - Dax's 427 demonstrator; 8.2ltr V8 with ~550bhp and ~700lb/ft of torque - enough torque to light the tyres up in 5th gear apparently, and that's on R888 semi slick tyres.
Due to my (not inconsiderable) size I had the seat right back - every time he hit the loud pedal I got shoved against the rolled edge of the rear firewall.. it was actually physically painful ;D
(Sadly I didn't get to drive it; with the seat far enough back that I fit behind the wheel .. I can't get the clutch pedal all the way down!)
There's a massive difference between a quick car (I'd put my MR2 into that bracket at ~220bhp/tonne, while the Omega is 120bhp/tonne) and a fast car (like the 427 @ 450bhp/tonne!)
Then again.. I was sold as soon as he turned the key. That noise! If I'd taken my cheque book with me there'd be a deposit down on a rolling chassis already ;D
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A friend of mine bought an chipped Impreza a few years back eagerly took me for a spin in it, then asked me the question?, yea its ok I replied, but not as quick as my Sierra Sapphire, rubbish was he's response.
So next were bashing arround in my RWD Sapphire Cosworth, mildly tunned to 310bhp.
He's response yea, my Impreza quick, but this is mental, think Ive bought the wrong car.
:D
I had a impreza 22b st1 when they came out and it was the full rally tune with anti-lag sequential box etc 0-120 was 8.5 seconds topped out at 135 weighed 1000kgs yet had 380 bhp and 445 torque
also had a mitsu evo 6 ayc tuned to and that was quick.
However i grew up and got a caterham 4.2 v8, 766 kilos 380 bhp 390 torque 0-60 3.4 seconds 0-100 10.8 seconds top speed 155 limited dont know the power to weight ratio but i do know the only car to beat it off the line costs 22 times more than mine did
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Here you go I was asked to post a picture of it so here it is.. although I did take the picture with my phone so not the best :D
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/Mace22-1.jpg)
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Here you go I was asked to post a picture of it so here it is.. although I did take the picture with my phone so not the best :D
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/Mace22-1.jpg)
Does that big aeriel at the back help it steer in crosswinds then? :-?
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Oh, I do like that. :y 8-) 8-) 8-) :)
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Here you go I was asked to post a picture of it so here it is.. although I did take the picture with my phone so not the best :D
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/Mace22-1.jpg)
Does that big aeriel at the back help it steer in crosswinds then? :-?
It is something I am working on at the moment to improve the onboard tv reception :y :-*
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Here you go I was asked to post a picture of it so here it is.. although I did take the picture with my phone so not the best :D
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/Mace22-1.jpg)
Does that big aeriel at the back help it steer in crosswinds then? :-?
It's so he can communicate with his home planet. ;D
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Mork Loo-knee. nano nano.... ;D ;D
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Very nice, Daz. :y
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Here you go I was asked to post a picture of it so here it is.. although I did take the picture with my phone so not the best :D
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/Mace22-1.jpg)
Are you on the 'turn' then Daz?...... :D :D :D Looks nice mind.... :y
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Here you go I was asked to post a picture of it so here it is.. although I did take the picture with my phone so not the best :D
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/Mace22-1.jpg)
Are you on the 'turn' then Daz?...... :D :D :D Looks nice mind.... :y
According to some I turned ages ago ;D
As to what I think you meant, I still have my Omega just fancied another toy. . :-*
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Here you go I was asked to post a picture of it so here it is.. although I did take the picture with my phone so not the best :D
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/Mace22-1.jpg)
Are you on the 'turn' then Daz?...... :D :D :D Looks nice mind.... :y
According to some I turned ages ago ;D
As to what I think you meant, I still have my rabbit just fancied another toy. . :-*
:o :o :o :D :D
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A friend of mine bought an chipped Impreza a few years back eagerly took me for a spin in it, then asked me the question?, yea its ok I replied, but not as quick as my Sierra Sapphire, rubbish was he's response.
So next were bashing arround in my RWD Sapphire Cosworth, mildly tunned to 310bhp.
He's response yea, my Impreza quick, but this is mental, think Ive bought the wrong car.
:D
You are talking a different Animal with the Cosworths in my book.
A good mate of mine who owns Turbo Systems had a Desert Storm, now that was frightening :o
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Not knowing a great deal about the variations of old escort and sapphire cosworths, but how can an old sapphire 2.0 litre turbo with 200 bhp and loads of lag do 0-60 in 6 seconds? Especially a 4wd one? What was the escort cossie rated at aswell? I destroyed one in my MR2 Turbo in Northern Ireland!
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Not knowing a great deal about the variations of old escort and sapphire cosworths, but how can an old sapphire 2.0 litre turbo with 200 bhp and loads of lag do 0-60 in 6 seconds? Especially a 4wd one? What was the escort cossie rated at aswell? I destroyed one in my MR2 Turbo in Northern Ireland!
The difference is I was not talking about a standard Cosworth. My mate tells me that the engine was built to withstand 500bhp. . now in anyones book that is serious. :y