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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Lazydocker on 12 May 2011, 20:52:18
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Right... For those who are questioning whether LPG is worth it... I normally fill up with LPG at a cost of about £51. This gets me between 275 and 380 miles (on a run) but normally about 300 miles :y
Admittedly I'm comparing a 3.0LPG against a 3.2 petrol but......
.... After 307 miles, driving the same types of roads and with the same enthusiasm, filled up the petrol tank for £81 :o :o
So saving is, as we all keep saying, about 10p per mile or around £30 per tank :o :o
I'd reckon on that being well and truly worth it ;D ;D
Or, to put it in a different way, 25 fill ups and you've already saved enough to pay for the kit ;) ;)
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I've worked out why I can't get 300m from a LPG tank - mines a smaller tank than your old one...
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and where do you put the stuff that would otherwise go in the boot? ::) ::)
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and where do you put the stuff that would otherwise go in the boot? ::) ::)
Do you really drive around with the boot full front to back all day every day? :-? :-? ::) ::)
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I've worked out why I can't get 300m from a LPG tank - mines a smaller tank than your old one...
Yep... And I did more dual carriageway driving than you generally did too I reckon ;)
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and where do you put the stuff that would otherwise go in the boot? ::) ::)
Do you really drive around with the boot full front to back all day every day? :-? :-? ::) ::)
No, but I don't use the Omega everyday, when we do use it, as a tow car, the boot is full. I'd prefer stuff in the boot rather than on the back seat etc. ;) ;)
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and where do you put the stuff that would otherwise go in the boot? ::) ::)
Do you really drive around with the boot full front to back all day every day? :-? :-? ::) ::)
No, but I don't use the Omega everyday, when we do use it, as a tow car, the boot is full. I'd prefer stuff in the boot rather than on the back seat etc. ;) ;)
So maybe not worth it if its not your daily driver then ;)
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and where do you put the stuff that would otherwise go in the boot? ::) ::)
Do you really drive around with the boot full front to back all day every day? :-? :-? ::) ::)
No, but I don't use the Omega everyday, when we do use it, as a tow car, the boot is full. I'd prefer stuff in the boot rather than on the back seat etc. ;) ;)
So maybe not worth it if its not your daily driver then ;)
Think Andy's got PMT at the moment (or something)... He's been more argumentative than normal lately :-X :P ::) ;D
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Right... For those who are questioning whether LPG is worth it... I normally fill up with LPG at a cost of about £51. This gets me between 275 and 380 miles (on a run) but normally about 300 miles :y
Admittedly I'm comparing a 3.0LPG against a 3.2 petrol but......
.... After 307 miles, driving the same types of roads and with the same enthusiasm, filled up the petrol tank for £81 :o :o
So saving is, as we all keep saying, about 10p per mile or around £30 per tank :o :o
I'd reckon on that being well and truly worth it ;D ;D
Or, to put it in a different way, 25 fill ups and you've already saved enough to pay for the kit ;) ;)
To further clarify this;
25 fill-ups x £30 per tank saving = £750 - Easily get LPG kit for this.
25 fill-ups @ 307 miles per fill-up = 7,675miles.
Average mileage for a vehicle according to insurance comapnies and trader websites is 12,000 miles.
*You'll start making a saving if you do average miles in seven months!
*Assuming LPG doesn't increase in price like a fookin rocket!
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Think Andy's got PMT at the moment (or something)... He's been more argumentative than normal lately :-X :P ::) ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I've just stopped biting my lip! ::) ::) ::)
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Think Andy's got PMT at the moment (or something)... He's been more argumentative than normal lately :-X :P ::) ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I've just stopped biting my lip! ::) ::) ::)
And I thought I might get a nibble from that comment too :P :P :D :D :D
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Right... For those who are questioning whether LPG is worth it... I normally fill up with LPG at a cost of about £51. This gets me between 275 and 380 miles (on a run) but normally about 300 miles :y
Admittedly I'm comparing a 3.0LPG against a 3.2 petrol but......
.... After 307 miles, driving the same types of roads and with the same enthusiasm, filled up the petrol tank for £81 :o :o
So saving is, as we all keep saying, about 10p per mile or around £30 per tank :o :o
I'd reckon on that being well and truly worth it ;D ;D
Or, to put it in a different way, 25 fill ups and you've already saved enough to pay for the kit ;) ;)
To further clarify this;
25 fill-ups x £30 per tank saving = £750 - Easily get LPG kit for this.
25 fill-ups @ 307 miles per fill-up = 7,675miles.
Average mileage for a vehicle according to insurance comapnies and trader websites is 12,000 miles.
*You'll start making a saving if you do average miles in seven months!
*Assuming LPG doesn't increase in price like a fookin rocket!
25 fill ups is probably slightly low as I had a 90L tank, most will have an 80L or smaller... But that's irrelevant, the mileage of under 8k was what I was pointing out :y
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8000 miles would have been 2-3 months for me at one time wish i'd have converted 18 month ago :-[
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On those figures about 6 months for pay back for me.... :)
Been considering my car situation recently, so varied you would not believe, however if I were to LPG an Omega it would be a V6, can't see the point of doing my 4 pot.......... :D :D
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and where do you put the stuff that would otherwise go in the boot? ::) ::)
Do you really drive around with the boot full front to back all day every day? :-? :-? ::) ::)
No, but I don't use the Omega everyday, when we do use it, as a tow car, the boot is full. I'd prefer stuff in the boot rather than on the back seat etc. ;) ;)
I was planning on LPG'ing the MV6 6 or 7 years ago ('professional' 2k install), but it was that very reason of loss of boot space that stopped me. It was last year when it dawned on me, for those 2 or 3 times a year I actually need the full boot, just get a pikey roofbox.
Despite only being done a year, the MV6 has more than paid for its conversion.
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and where do you put the stuff that would otherwise go in the boot? ::) ::)
Do you really drive around with the boot full front to back all day every day? :-? :-? ::) ::)
No, but I don't use the Omega everyday, when we do use it, as a tow car, the boot is full. I'd prefer stuff in the boot rather than on the back seat etc. ;) ;)
I was planning on LPG'ing the MV6 6 or 7 years ago ('professional' 2k install), but it was that very reason of loss of boot space that stopped me. It was last year when it dawned on me, for those 2 or 3 times a year I actually need the full boot, just get a pikey roofbox.
Despite only being done a year, the MV6 has more than paid for its conversion.
And with TBE you didn't hesitate! :y :y
TBH, like you say, for the few times the whole boot space is needed either a roof box or trailer hire (if you have a tow bar) soon solve the problem :y
Andy, there is, of course, the option of a spare wheel tank, although on a saloon that does have rather limited range, which keeps all the boot space :y
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And with TBE you didn't hesitate! :y :y
Except I bought it last July, and converted it this April ::). And broke it again this May ::)
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And with TBE you didn't hesitate! :y :y
Except I bought it last July, and converted it this April ::). And broke it again this May ::)
You may have bought it in July, but it didn't really get used ;)
As for breaking it... I can't see what you could have done unless you've not got it connected back up correctly :-/
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I did break a jubilee clip, bagpipe to plenum (no, I hadn't eaten weetabix, it was just shite), but have used a cable tie for now. I would have thought if that was leaking air, petrol running would be poor as well...
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I did break a jubilee clip, bagpipe to plenum (no, I hadn't eaten weetabix, it was just shite), but have used a cable tie for now. I would have thought if that was leaking air, petrol running would be poor as well...
Could be not drawing enough air to affect petrol running but the more fussy LPG running is :-/ :-/ But I wouldn't have thought so TBH :-/
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Andy, there is, of course, the option of a spare wheel tank, although on a saloon that does have rather limited range, which keeps all the boot space :y
which of course presents its own problems of no spare.
I've had the car over 7 years now, put around 75k miles on it and I can see its days on my drive drawing to an end .......... ;) probably next year some time.
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Andy, there is, of course, the option of a spare wheel tank, although on a saloon that does have rather limited range, which keeps all the boot space :y
which of course presents its own problems of no spare.
I've had the car over 7 years now, put around 75k miles on it and I can see its days on my drive drawing to an end .......... ;) probably next year some time.
Not a major problem though, stick it in a bag in the boot (it takes up much less space than a tank) or in the 'van ;)
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Andy, there is, of course, the option of a spare wheel tank, although on a saloon that does have rather limited range, which keeps all the boot space :y
which of course presents its own problems of no spare.
I've had the car over 7 years now, put around 75k miles on it and I can see its days on my drive drawing to an end .......... ;) probably next year some time.
Not a major problem though, stick it in a bag in the boot (it takes up much less space than a tank) or in the 'van ;)
I'll still with petrol & keep my boot & spare wheel. ;) ;) ;)
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Andy, there is, of course, the option of a spare wheel tank, although on a saloon that does have rather limited range, which keeps all the boot space :y
which of course presents its own problems of no spare.
I've had the car over 7 years now, put around 75k miles on it and I can see its days on my drive drawing to an end .......... ;) probably next year some time.
Not a major problem though, stick it in a bag in the boot (it takes up much less space than a tank) or in the 'van ;)
I'll still with petrol & keep my boot & spare wheel. ;) ;) ;)
Thats your choice :y - and a choice I too made for similar reasons for years :y
I do wish, however, I'd done it much, much earlier - I reckon its cut my fuel bill easily by 1/3rd
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.... I reckon its cut my fuel bill easily by 1/3rd
Discounting MOT, insurance, road tax etc my TD Astra has cut mine by half. ;)
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.... I reckon its cut my fuel bill easily by 1/3rd
Discounting MOT, insurance, road tax etc my TD Astra has cut mine by half. ;)
But isn't as comfortable as an Omega and is an oil burner, with all things associated with that ;)
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But isn't as comfortable as an Omega and is an oil burner, with all things associated with that ;)
Yep .... all of the above.
But I don't feel bad when I batter it all the way to work & back. ;D ;D
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.... I reckon its cut my fuel bill easily by 1/3rd
Discounting MOT, insurance, road tax etc my TD Astra has cut mine by half. ;)
Aye - I toyed with similar, but most smaller cars dont help my back, and when you stop using cars that previous had lots of use, they seem to need more maintenence... ...why is that?
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.....why is that?
They sulk ::) ::) ;D ;D
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.... I reckon its cut my fuel bill easily by 1/3rd
Discounting MOT, insurance, road tax etc my TD Astra has cut mine by half. ;)
Aye - I toyed with similar, but most smaller cars dont help my back, and when you stop using cars that previous had lots of use, they seem to need more maintenence... ...why is that?
I dunno but it seems to hold true,my mig at 74k has needed much more attention than my 190k 406hdi and the pug gets more than twice the use and both cars are the same age :P
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I'm starting to wonder about this. I'm leaning towards a tank in the spare wheel well. Out right capacity is not a big issue, as I generally have to fill up every day or so anyway, and I have a full size spare at the mo too, so think that a tank the size of a standard 225/55/16 tyre, possibly an inch or so greater diameter would be just the ticket. :-/
I've been reading your other lpg related threads with interest and am wondering when the estate might be being done with a view to popping along to see what's what.
.... I reckon its cut my fuel bill easily by 1/3rd
That could save me £100 a week :o
quite scary when you stop and think about it.
Al.
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In mileage terms, I reckon I save, on average, 8-9p per mile - sometime more, occasionally less ::). Thats a saving of £8-9 every 100 miles (my commute is around 57m round trip). Or £80-90 per month for my usual mileage. So, even om my modest miles, 7month payback isn't far off ;)
I should also add, this is an unfair comparison, as (once the car is warmed fully, and always let it cool properly) due to the low fuel costs, you do tend to drive, errrr, 'less economically'. You think you won't, but you do ::)
And you realise how less economically when you do the cardinal sin, and run out of LPG and have to run on petrol, and see how the gauge goes down ::)
Petrol wise, I brimmed the MV6 in early Decemeber to get weight over rear axle due to snow, its been complaining about Range for about a week now. It will probably run another month or 2 before needing filling (I'll only pop £30 in, as its summer), but I'll do it sooner rather than later as:
a) The lights annoy me ::)
b) I have a tendency of running out of gas :-[, so I need some range on petrol
Petrol use in Winter is higher, as the car takes longer to reach a temp where LPG works (esp if you just leave it on the drive, idling, defrosting ::)), and I tend to increase the switchover temp and times - though the Stag 300 Plus ECUs do have a temperature correction facility that we need to play with.
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Simply depends if you do enough miles to get the cost of the install back in fuel saving, and then how long we'll be driving on gas after that.
I'd suggest anyone keeping a car for longer than a year and commuting would benefit.
However there's other things to consider. Where's your local lpg station? No point if you live in a remote area and have to travel 20 miles in the wrong direction to fill a small donut tank with 150 miles range, in an Estate or upright wheel well for instance.As that reduces the effective range by the distance taken to fill up obviously. Tank options are key too.
Bigger the tank your least likely to run out and have to use petrol, and less time traveling to fill up rather than commute or enjoy your holiday rather than seeking out log etc etc..
Anyway, I'm rambling and stating the obvious. YES of course it's worth it. :y
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old my old commute it saved me £10 per day, now mine needs a little work to be done to it, new shocks, springs, exhaust, to add to the new battery and rear pads just done.
But each time i go home, i save at least £10, so its paying for itself again and again :)