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Title: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: the alarming man on 26 June 2011, 21:56:53
Here we go again :y

Copied from UKFN (ANDY G) mot tester for ford

Tonight I attended what is known as an MOT seminar, basically the head honchos from VOSA go to each area, and talk about the MOT scheme, including changes to the test.

As I said in the thread about the new EU directive, as soon as I knew what was changing in the MOT test I would post it up. These changes are to be brought into the test on 1st January 2012, not before. So here goes...

Steering lock operation - Steering locks not engaging when the ignition key is removed will fail.
Engine warning lamps, brake fluid warning lamps, ESP lamps, EPB lamps illumination - ANY of the above illuminated indicating a fault will fail.TPMS (Tyre pressure monitoring systems) warning lamps - Again, if illuminated indicating a fault, will fail.Airbag/SRS lamp illumination - If this warning lamp is illuminated it will fail.
HID Headlamps - Now, a little grey area here. They will be included in the new test, and will fail if they prove to be outside of the specified conditions... but the conditions and reasons for rejections haven't been written/decided yet, so sit tight.
Wiring - Any wiring (loomed or otherwise) that is damaged, or fitted in such a way that could cause damage to said wiring, or other systems will fail.
Engine mountings - Engine mountings will be a part of the test. incorrect mounting, corrosion in a prescribed area etc will fail.
PAS (Power assisted steering) fluid level will be tested.
Rear doors must open in the new test. Previously (and currently), if the tester feels he can access the testable items in the rear (seatbelts, prescribed areas etc) without needing the doors open, they don't need to open. This will now be a failure.
13 pin towbar sockets - tested for correct operation using a plug in testing tool.
Inappropriate modifications or repairs - The wording on this is quite vague at the moment, but if a major component has been modified, and that modification/repair makes the vehicle dangerous or seriously weakens the original component, expect it to fail.
ANY ball joint dust cover - The small rubber boots over ball joints must be intact and free or splits, tears or holes, or it fails.
All CVJ gaiters will be tested - Currently, only the front outer] CVJ gaiters are tested. This new rule extends it to inner and outer, front and rear.
A catalytic converter missing WILL be a reason for failure, regardless of whether or not the emissions limits are met.
Fuel pipe chaffing or damage - Currently they only fail when they are leaking, this rule means that any chaffing or rubbing causing damage will fail.
The braking imbalance limit is lowered to 30% across all axles.
Vehicles built post July 2010 will have to have at least 58% braking efficiency to pass (currently it's 50% for a dual circuit braking system)
Insecure batteries will become a failure
The main beam warning lamp must illuminate with the main beam lamps
All light switches must operate the corresponding lights immediately. No tapping, or wiggling to make it work!
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: plym ian on 26 June 2011, 22:08:57
best get mine mot'd dec 31st then ;D

quite strict by the looks of it :(
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: Vamps on 26 June 2011, 22:17:53
Best get my air bag ecu sorted out then.... :D :D :D
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: Kevin Wood on 26 June 2011, 22:20:46
Pretty common sense, IMHO. Any decently maintained car will have no worries. I guess the price'll go up with all the extra checks, though. :(
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: Entwood on 26 June 2011, 22:21:15
So the "new" 13 pin socket will be tested ... only 3/4 years old ... but the older 7 pin ones won't be.... ??? My guess is there are far more of these in use on MOTable cars than the 13 pin one.....   but of course .. merde, dumpkoff, the 13 pin has been comon in europeland for 15 years .. and who writes these directives ........ well it ain't the UK !!!!  :( 

So directive 1 common sense 0
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: henryd on 26 June 2011, 22:28:41
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Pretty common sense, IMHO. Any decently maintained car will have no worries. I guess the price'll go up with all the extra checks, though. :(

almost guaranteed:'( :'(
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: Andy B on 27 June 2011, 22:00:33
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So the "new" 13 pin socket will be tested ... only 3/4 years old ... but the older 7 pin ones won't be.... ??? My guess is there are far more of these in use on MOTable cars than the 13 pin one.....   but of course .. merde, dumpkoff, the 13 pin has been comon in europeland for 15 years .. and who writes these directives ........ well it ain't the UK !!!!  :( 

So directive 1 common sense 0

what if I fit one of these? clicky (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CARAVAN-TRAILER-ELECTRICS-SOCKET-COVER-BLACK-/200598430052?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories&hash=item2eb4992164#ht_833wt_905) would the MOT tester be allowed to remove it to test. He's not allowed to remove the front boot/bin from SWMBO's Smart so can't get to the steering rack etc to test.
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: russ0205 on 27 June 2011, 22:17:18
Some common sense items I E warning lamps are what they say warning so if there on its a fault,
A car thats maintained well should pass.at the end of the day i would rather mine fail an mot than something fail at 70mph on a motorway,

  :) :)
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: Andy B on 27 June 2011, 22:30:21
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Some common sense items I E warning lamps are what they say warning so if there on its a fault,
A car thats maintained well should pass.at the end of the day i would rather mine fail an mot than something fail at 70mph on a motorway,

  :) :)

but an airbag light won't have any effect on whether your car is generally road worthy or not.   :-? Can't see a non functioning 13 pin trailer electrics socket making much difference either.  ;)
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: Shimmy on 27 June 2011, 22:30:58
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MoT%20-%20Issue%2050%20-%20May%202011.pdf
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: Andy B on 27 June 2011, 22:39:29
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http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MoT%20-%20Issue%2050%20-%20May%202011.pdf

Ta!  :y
Looks like I'll have to re-fit the fuse for the HID washers  ::)
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: aaronjb on 27 June 2011, 22:45:02
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Some common sense items I E warning lamps are what they say warning so if there on its a fault,
A car thats maintained well should pass.at the end of the day i would rather mine fail an mot than something fail at 70mph on a motorway,

  :) :)

but an airbag light won't have any effect on whether your car is generally road worthy or not.   :-? Can't see a non functioning 13 pin trailer electrics socket making much difference either.  ;)

Could easily cause a fair difference for the poor schmoe who runs into the pikey palace with non-functional brake lights/indicators/foglamp though ;)

'course to be truly effective there should be a requirement for annual MOTs for caravans & trailers (as I think there is on the continent?)..
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: VXL V6 on 27 June 2011, 22:45:55
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Some common sense items I E warning lamps are what they say warning so if there on its a fault,
A car thats maintained well should pass.at the end of the day i would rather mine fail an mot than something fail at 70mph on a motorway,

  :) :)

but an airbag light won't have any effect on whether your car is generally road worthy or not.   :-? Can't see a non functioning 13 pin trailer electrics socket making much difference either.  ;)

But I suppose it could if you are towing something and say the indicators had been cross wired. Unlikely I know but how many times have you followed something being towed and it has little or no working lights on it? Granted the fault is usually on the trailer / caravan.
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: hotel21 on 27 June 2011, 22:50:11
I am quite comfortable with the 'if its fitted, it should work properly' line of thinking, to be honest, so that would include the bits as listed earlier in the thread.  Including the electrics on the towing apparatus.

Whether the assorted towed gubbins should also be subject to test is another argument though!  ;D
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: russ0205 on 27 June 2011, 23:01:26
Agreed H21 if its fitted it should work,
I feel more comfortable  if swmbo goes out with my kids in a car that has had a proper in depth MOT,

 :y
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: Andy B on 27 June 2011, 23:15:54
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Some common sense items I E warning lamps are what they say warning so if there on its a fault,
A car thats maintained well should pass.at the end of the day i would rather mine fail an mot than something fail at 70mph on a motorway,

  :) :)

but an airbag light won't have any effect on whether your car is generally road worthy or not.   :-? Can't see a non functioning 13 pin trailer electrics socket making much difference either.  ;)

Could easily cause a fair difference for the poor schmoe who runs into the pikey palace with non-functional brake lights/indicators/foglamp though ;)

'course to be truly effective there should be a requirement for annual MOTs for caravans & trailers (as I think there is on the continent?)..

Agreed. But it's the car being tested, not the caravan/trailer outfit.  ;)
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: russ0205 on 27 June 2011, 23:18:59
I think caravans should also have some type of mot, i mean gas appliances dodgy diy electrics a rolling bomb really,

  :-/ :-/
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: Andy B on 27 June 2011, 23:22:28
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I think caravans should also have some type of mot, i mean gas appliances dodgy diy electrics a rolling bomb really,

  :-/ :-/

A whole new thread of its own.  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: albitz on 27 June 2011, 23:22:44
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I think caravans should also have some type of mot, i mean gas appliances dodgy diy electrics a rolling bomb really,

  :-/ :-/

And thats a bad thing because.......?? :-/


 :D ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: henryd on 27 June 2011, 23:24:21
I see that power steering fluid will now be checked ..........if the tester can see the level through the side of the bottle,many many cars don't have a see through bottle.Silly idea as any tester can see if pas fluid is pi$$ing out under the car already and fail it  :-/
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: Chris_H on 28 June 2011, 07:55:41
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http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MoT%20-%20Issue%2050%20-%20May%202011.pdf
Interesting bit about "stored hydraulic pressure braking systems" there.

Does anyone remember the Citreon BX, several of which rolled away as the suspension sat-down some time after parking?

They also scared the living daylights out of cats that had gone underneath for warmth,  But that's an RSPCA problem. ;D
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: russ0205 on 28 June 2011, 08:46:30
RSPCA cats i can see a new thread looming,

  ;D :D
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: 2woody on 28 June 2011, 09:16:33
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I think caravans should also have some type of mot, i mean gas appliances dodgy diy electrics a rolling bomb really,

  :-/ :-/

nothing wrong with caravans that couldn't be sorted out with a couple of pounds of C4
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: sticka_v8_init on 28 June 2011, 10:18:36
Looks like you can still get away with a push bike bell strapped to the door mirror - MOT states "a means of warning other users/pedestrians". Still don't NEED a windscreen either :y
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: tunnie on 28 June 2011, 14:59:48
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I think caravans should also have some type of mot, i mean gas appliances dodgy diy electrics a rolling bomb really,

  :-/ :-/

nothing wrong with caravans that couldn't be sorted out with a couple of pounds of C4

 ;D ;D  :y
Title: Re: NEW MOT REGS 2012
Post by: Kevin Wood on 28 June 2011, 15:25:57
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I think caravans should also have some type of mot, i mean gas appliances dodgy diy electrics a rolling bomb really,

  :-/ :-/

nothing wrong with caravans that couldn't be sorted out with a couple of pounds of C4

 ;D ;D  :y

Sounds a bit of a waste of C4 to me. A game of "caravan conkers" does the job adequately. ;D