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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Shackeng on 28 July 2011, 19:22:02
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I ordered these from Jason at 4.00pm yesterday, delivered today at 1.00pm. Brilliant service. :y :y :y
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I hope they last....unlike mine >:(
play after less than a year - poly for me from now on.
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Well these are guarantee'd for a year Jimbob so did you get a refund?
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Well these are guarantee'd for a year Jimbob so did you get a refund?
guarantee'd for 2 actually...
No, I cant be bothered fully removing, sending back, waiting, getting new, refitting and doing the same again in another year.
Sorry to say its easier to say sod it and fit poly on the car with 1 just 1 bolt to remove.
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Oh I see... didn't know they had a 2 year guarantee? hmmm .... Anyhow Jimbob are you and your beloved showing your faces to the mini meet in Holywell?
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Oh I see... didn't know they had a 2 year guarantee? hmmm .... Anyhow Jimbob are you and your beloved showing your faces to the mini meet in Holywell?
thats the plan :y
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Look forward to seeing you there .. And the wife too hehe
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I have poly's in the front of my TD wishbones, (Delphi's fitted a year ago, don't say it, I know!!!) but the rear bushes have now gone, so I shall put the Lem's in as standard, then fit the poly bushes rescued from the Delphi's when, and if, the front bushes go. :y
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Yes, I can agree with paying if one of the other bushes have gone.
Wish i'd polyed from the start :y
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Yes, I can agree with paying if one of the other bushes have gone.
Wish i'd polyed from the start :y
Well if, as per the received wisdom, Lems are OE, and my originals lasted 100k on the TD, I'm hoping to get more than two years out of the new ones, and then, if necessary, fit the, almost new, front poly bushes salvaged from the Delphi's. :y
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I don't think the current lemforders are the same quality as what leaves the factory :(
I rebushed my MV6 a couple of years back with GM bushes, I'm sure GayBoy will use any opportunity to check them, be interesting to see how they have lasted.
The Elite is Poly'd at the front bushes of wishbones, its highlighted a wheel balancing issue I'd never noticed before :o
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I don't think the current lemforders are the same quality as what leaves the factory :(
I rebushed my MV6 a couple of years back with GM bushes, I'm sure GayBoy will use any opportunity to check them, be interesting to see how they have lasted.
The Elite is Poly'd at the front bushes of wishbones, its highlighted a wheel balancing issue I'd never noticed before :o
Interesting, I have had wheel balance issues since I poly'd the frront of the TD.
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I put poly bushes in my original wishbones a few months back. At the same time I did the rear doughnut bushes, new tyres, and a full WIM setup!
It was like having a totally new, factory fresh car underneath me! ;D 8-) :y
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I don't think the current lemforders are the same quality as what leaves the factory :(
I rebushed my MV6 a couple of years back with GM bushes, I'm sure GayBoy will use any opportunity to check them, be interesting to see how they have lasted.
The Elite is Poly'd at the front bushes of wishbones, its highlighted a wheel balancing issue I'd never noticed before :o
Mine were rebushed by Vx about 2 years (15k) ago (before I got it) and there seems to be a little more play in the fronts than I'd like... Poly's are on my shopping list ::)
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I hate to say I told you so but.
[size=36]I TOLD YOU SO[/size]
There, thats much better, thanks.
Lemforders are not worth the money
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I hate to say I told you so but.
[size=36]I TOLD YOU SO[/size]
There, thats much better, thanks.
Lemforders are not worth the money
Is that better Mark? Did you enjoy that? ;D ;D ;D
Tbh, I bought, not expecting miracles, and hoping for the best of the aftermarket, with a view to polybushing once worn out....I expected that to take somewhat longer though.
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So I wonder which ones VX are stocking as replacements, if not Lemforders. I seem to remember it was about £200 per side two years ago.
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So I wonder which ones VX are stocking as replacements, if not Lemforders. I seem to remember it was about £200 per side two years ago.
may be made by lemforder....or a.n.other but the quality is very different - we compared some at newent lasy year - H21 had a set of genuine and lemforder. visibly different :y
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DLK examined my wishbones and they are shot ( OE, lasted 106,000 miles ) so no complaints.
I need to fit new before MOT and VX are wanting £420 a pair !
Lemforder takes a hammering on this thread, so what's the consensus please ? Do I buy a £50 pair and replace the front bush with Polys before fitting, or use the £50 pair as a service item and change anually ?
Are they a big job to change for a good mechanic ? An hours work to change a pair ?
Thanks for your anticipated advice.
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DLK examined my wishbones and they are shot ( OE, lasted 106,000 miles ) so no complaints.
I need to fit new before MOT and VX are wanting £420 a pair !
Lemforder takes a hammering on this thread, so what's the consensus please ? Do I buy a £50 pair and replace the front bush with Polys before fitting, or use the £50 pair as a service item and change anually ?
Are they a big job to change for a good mechanic ? An hours work to change a pair ?
Thanks for your anticipated advice.
Did Daz check all the the joints, or just the front?
If its just that one, and the others are ok, just poly that one on the car :y
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I believe they were both shot. I could only see the huge amount of play at the front as his pink overalls were dazzling me !!!
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I have always used cheap ones from eBay and treated them as a service item but will probably poly the ones on the car in the not too distant future
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Think it will be cheap e bay ones just to get it through MOT.
Lazydocker ....... Which seller do you use, or do you just see what's on offer at replacement time ?
The rear bush on the wishbone ....... Do VX carry them as parts and does it need an engineering press to get it in ?
Aim to keep the OE arms that are on the car and have them bushed ( poly on front ) ready to be fitted in a few months and throw the cheap ones away.
Thanks for reading.
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The seller I was using has not been so reliable... The first set lasted longer than Jimbob's Lemforders did but the second set were starting to go at 8k... Pot luck really ::)
The rear bush does need pressing in IIRC but Vx do still stock them... There are probably cheaper options though. TBH, the rear bush doesn't take too much abuse so should last reasonably well with poly'd fronts :-/
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I hate to say I told you so but.
[size=36]I TOLD YOU SO[/size]
There, thats much better, thanks.
Lemforders are not worth the money
Mark, didn't you also tell is that lemforders where the way to go, being the oe supplier etc etc...?
That logic seems sound to me, and what else is there if the rear bush has failed too, and accepting not everyone is in a position to press bushes themselves...?
If they are now nfg we should be chasing Jason up on it?
Although it's easy sitting here. I have BMW bushes in mine.
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Simple, I bought a set 3 and a half years ago, after 18 months the bushes were showing signs of wear, at 2 years they were donald ducked to the point the off side got an MOT advisory.
Hence, 12+ months of saying they are not worth it, save your money etc to try to ensure others dont pay the considerable extra I did for no gains.
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Simple, I bought a set 3 and a half years ago, after 18 months the bushes were showing signs of wear, at 2 years they were donald ducked to the point the off side got an MOT advisory.
Hence, 12+ months of saying they are not worth it, save your money etc to try to ensure others dont pay the considerable extra I did for no gains.
Ok, but as said, given most will not press bushes, and will want a complete unit, what else is there? :-/
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Well I am not feeling so good now, as I am sure that Lemforders were recommended not so long ago. :-/ :-/ :-/
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Well, until somebody says different I think they're still the ones for longevity. After two years, or however long they last, fit Polly when the front bushes fail. For an extra £35 are they ? ..., or however much Polly are.
Ok the rearward bush takes less stress perhaps, but I'd still want the best one in there possible, all assuming no press available of course.
Two years for lemforders is disappointing, but I still wouldn't fit anything else. As said,What else is there as a complete unit?
... Looking at it the other way, could say that's an expensive rear bush on a lemforder if that's all we are buying lemforders for. So what else has a rear bush that lasts as long?
Must admit I am confused on the u turn tbh.
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I've always said that I thought Lemforders were over priced if you could change them yourself.
I was thinking to get a cheap set and poly the front before fitting but that depends what condition mine are in, as they had 4 new Vx bushes about 2 years ago ::)
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So what do we fit? No name copies that last from 6 to 18 months on the front bush, for example.
How long does the rear bush last on those after the fronts are pollyed? Not as long as as lemforder either.
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So what do we fit? No name copies that last from 6 to 18 months on the front bush, for example.
How long does the rear bush last on those after the fronts are pollyed? Not as long as as lemforder either.
As I've said before... The first cheap set I fitted did about 18 months (35k) before I changed them and they would still have passed an MOT at that point. The rear bush on them was still perfect.
The second set were starting to tire after 10k, but again it was only the front bush ;)
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Well until we have a comparison on rear bush life.... :-/
Where were the failed lemforders purchased?
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Mine (both sets) from allgerman.
other set, slightly younger, still going strong.
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It would seem that the quality has gone downhill, and whilst not a fault of AllGerman selling the Lemforder wishbones, after all they're only the suppliers, it is though now worrying that some of us (OOF's) don't have confidence in buying from AG, as it was once the place where we could be confident in purchasing good quality parts for the money, what with VX being a rip off! Quite a turnaround from over 12-18mths ago :-?
I was going to get a pair from AG, though now having read this before I put my order in, I'm glad I did read this and I'm not so sure now where to go now. :-/.
I know there was a thread on here that said that those WB's of ebay were of poor quality as they were not welded well and some of the strengthening parts on the WB were dubious?
Possibly the only way to get value for money and quality is to go the Lemforder one's and re-bush them with Poly's before putting them on the car or unless you happen to get your hands on some genuine VX WB's and get them re-bushed?
But then there is another issue, as there has been lots of talk where the best place is to get a set of genuine Poly bushes at a good price?
Seems that we're stuffed either way to me :-?
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polys are good value on ebay....
some may advertise cheaper, but dont have the stock :y
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POWERFLEX-BUSH-Vauxhall-Omega-B-94-2003-PFF80-902-/300549094254?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item45fa1f3b6e
is who I think a lot of us have used
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Thanks Jim
Booked marked and will look at later :y
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So what do we fit? No name copies that last from 6 to 18 months on the front bush, for example.
How long does the rear bush last on those after the fronts are pollyed? Not as long as as lemforder either.
Cheaper items and poly bush them before fitting, works out cheaper than lemforders and gets round the issues.
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So what do we fit? No name copies that last from 6 to 18 months on the front bush, for example.
How long does the rear bush last on those after the fronts are pollyed? Not as long as as lemforder either.
Cheaper items and poly bush them before fitting, works out cheaper than lemforders and gets round the issues.
And when the rear bush does give up you can probably get away with reusing the poly at least once :-/
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If it helps, my MV6 was rebushed with GM bushes over 2 years ago now, still going strong.
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I plan to keep my original VX wishbones when I change them for MOT.
I read about wheel balance issues with Poly bushes. What issues please ?
I plan to rebush the original wishbone. Does anyone here have the equipment and knowledge to press the bushes please ?
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I plan to keep my original VX wishbones when I change them for MOT.
I read about wheel balance issues with Poly bushes. What issues please ?
I plan to rebush the original wishbone. Does anyone here have the equipment and knowledge to press the bushes please ?
I have the drifts but, the press I use has been broken (although may well be fixed in the next month or so).
Its not a case of the wishbone bushes causing a balance issue but, they will show up more any out of balance faults on the tyres (e.g. how good or bad they have been setup)
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Hi all,
just a quick response to an email I had regarding this thread. To clarify then that all Lemforder items have a two year warranty. We have sold many, many of these control arms and I believe we only had one return-not because of bush wear or noise etc but because there had been a bush or sleeve omitted during manufacture. Regarding whether Lemforder supply the same product for the aftermarket as they do for the car makers production line-yes they do. We frequently get products with a VAG or BMW logo machined off and you can clearly make out what was under the machining. One of our large competitors has a flight case for presentation purposes from Lemforder which has a ball joint with the Lemforder logo and the BMW logo on and another of the same part with just the Lemforder logo, and another from GM and another from Audi displaying that it's the same item. Lemforder is fitted as Original Equipment on 40% of cars currently produced worldwide-that's no coincidence. Fact is we just dont get Lemforder back-honestly it dosent happen. We recently had a guy request some shock absorbers in a particular brand that's got a buzz on presently-I suggested that he buy Sachs which is the same company as Lemforder but he had already bought the rears in the other brand so I got them for him. He called me two months later to tell me that he had been reversing his car on to his drive when he heard a loud bang. This was when the poorly welded shock absorber bracket had fallen off. This resulted in a five hundred pound warranty claim for this manufacturer and my customer fitting the Sachs item. This just dosent happen with parts from the ZF Group. (ZF stands for Zepellin Foundation by the way-just in case anyone was wondering). In a nutshell I dont think anyone needs any doubts over the Quality of Lemforder. We have sold Lemforder for more than 25 years and plan on doing it for the next 25! Last point then -it's worth noting that one of the biggest suppliers in the UK( not the best tho') have now started making much a do about the fact that they just bought loads of Lemforder stock-I wonder why that is..
best regards to you all as always
Jason@allgermanparts
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It seems to be that you are lucky to get 2yrs from any Omega wishbone bush (non poly), whoever the manufacturer.
IMHO, Lemforder are a better quality part than all the other junk out there. *BUT* are they worth the extra money is the question.
Jason at AGP suggests no returns. I don't dispute or disbelieve that for one second. But I wonder how many have failed in warranty, and people just replace anyway, as the hassle of removing, sending back, waiting for decision, then new part sent out is just too long to be with the front of the car in the air, undrivable :-/
It seems there is a discrepency between what the suppliers see, and what us Omega owners see :-/
Now, on those crappy Audi A4 front setups, Lemforder is the only sensible option, and all I would recommend for that task.
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So what is the process for warranty with AGP?
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Yes, I have an early failure, but wont be returning them...too much hassle when I can just drop a bolt and poly bush em for the sake of £40.
Jason, how would you see a warranty swap working out of interest in this instance?
Would lemforder just claim fitted / torqued incorrectly :-/
as TB has said, given we assume wishbones off the car for however long, then geometry set up needed again, I just imagine its too impractical.
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The bottom line is we are monitoring and seeing wear on the bushes plus we know they have been installed correctly.
In my case, it ws much easier to fit poly bsuhes a than bugger around with warranty claims, postage hassle and time with the car off the road.
The only part answer to the A4 issues are the Meyle reinforced stuff!
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The bottom line is we are monitoring and seeing wear on the bushes plus we know they have been installed correctly.
In my case, it ws much easier to fit poly bsuhes a than bugger around with warranty claims, postage hassle and time with the car off the road.
The only part answer to the A4 issues are the Meyle reinforced stuff!
WRONG!
The only answer is to sell the heap of kack ;). Shame he replaced it with a rather Laguna :-X
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Hi there,
we normally have to send stuff back to ZF for inspection and if they are deemed faulty we can claim labour too-however whether they say it's faulty is anyone's guess. I can call them tomorrow and have a word. Obviously they have the final say over us. In all honesty we never get to test them.. We would normally sell a new pair if we got a claim then refund when we got a yes from the manufacturer. Having said that we do have a no qubble swap out agreement with a few manufacturers. We try to be fair and help anyone-if we knew there have been issues with a part previously we'd just swap it anyway and sometimes if the value is low we'd just send a new one out without needing the old one back. Obviously wishbones are a few quid and You can tell if people are being straight and we try to be the best suppliers we can. Thing is bad news travels better than good so we like to stay on the good side.
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looks like the best idea is to go down the scrapyard and buy some arms then polybush them,then when yours fail its a quick swap.
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My wishbones were replaced with OE about 5 years ago at around 110/112k. I've never really looked at what they're like, but it passed its MOT a couple of weeks ago with no comment. :y
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I think Jason is being more than fair, and would honour the statement he has made, so if they go in less than 2 years, and you don't want to go the poly route, do as he suggests, buy a new pair and wait for the refund. :y
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I think Jason is being more than fair, and would honour the statement he has made, so if they go in less than 2 years, and you don't want to go the poly route, do as he suggests, buy a new pair and wait for the refund. :y
Agreed... It is very fair :y Unfortunately the decision on the refund will be made by the manufacturer, not Jason, and I fear the reply would be that they were incorrectly fitted :-/ Or perhaps that's just the cynic in me ::)
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I fear I may have to experience changing wishbones for the first time soon. Ive noticed the car seems to squirm off to the right when the suspension compresses under moderate braking.Doesnt feel like a sticky caliper, so Im assuming shot bushes.
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I fear I may have to experience changing wishbones for the first time soon. Ive noticed the car seems to squirm off to the right when the suspension compresses under moderate braking.Doesnt feel like a sticky caliper, so Im assuming shot bushes.
Not actually too bad to do IMO... If timings work I'm willing to advise at my normal fee of tea and a buttie ::) :D
Especially if it means I get to meet the lovely Mrs Albs again ::) :y
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A certain Lord of the Manor said to me "your clown tyres are causing that"...
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A certain Lord of the Manor said to me "your clown tyres are causing that"...
Random tracking was tyres on yours. They are mullered, both front shoulders on both sides missing. Rounded off. Rears flat in the middle. Classic spirited driving on Elite suspension. Put the rears on the front and the steering felt instantly stiffer as the contact patch was now bugger giving more resitance and the back was then wondering.
Jury still out on pull left under braking. As the bushes have been done by the master, I guess that leaves a brake imbalance, as opposed to a suspension imbalance. ESP as the idler if fine... Although it really needs a good check around under there too.
What's niggling me is the last time I witnessed similar was on a car with odd wishbones. Delphi on the drivers side. Brake and the car went left and the steering wheel turned right on it's own. Yours is nowhere near as bad but differant in that it pulls but have to steer into it to keep straight, the steering wheel doesn't move on it's own, it's just a pull left which has to be steered into....There is something further to diagnose with yours. Given the brake bleeding issues we had last time, I guess start there.... ?
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OE on mine lasted approx 130k/6 yrs. Pattern lasted 20k/6months. Current set done 76 miles, with polybushed fronts, so a bit early to say on rear bush life expectancy :-/.
VX ones six times the price, so it would seem reasonable that they should last six times longer. :-/
p.s. worn shocks together with worn top mounts and worn bushes soon turn a well mannered car into an uncontrollable shed.