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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: o-meg-a on 26 July 2011, 23:17:30
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So it looks like the mig will be sold this week.
I cant afford anything less that around 50mpg on average at the moment doing 25k + a year at the moment.
So....I am unfortunately looking elsewhere in the car market for something more economical and just as good as the omega...(if such a thing exists).
i have a few options on the table.
It looks like the most i will have to spend is £1500.
I need a similar size boot space to the mig estate, but could "make do" with less.
The cars i've had in mind are:
Mondeo estate 130bhp 6 speed tdci (so after an 02 plate, if i can get one cheap enough)
Pug 406 Hdi 110 estate (been offered one with only 115k for £650)
Pug 306 Hdi 90 estate (been offered a 2000 plate one with 138k on for £800)
Vw Passat estate (after 2000 plate with a PD diesel engine, preferably the 130bhp)
Any comments about these, and things to look out for?
Or any suggestions about alternatives?
I would like a good spec level and comfort if possible.
thanks
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So it looks like the mig will be sold this week.
I cant afford anything less that around 50mpg on average at the moment doing 25k + a year at the moment.
So....I am unfortunately looking elsewhere in the car market for something more economical and just as good as the omega...(if such a thing exists).
i have a few options on the table.
It looks like the most i will have to spend is £1500.
I need a similar size boot space to the mig estate, but could "make do" with less.
The cars i've had in mind are:
Mondeo estate 130bhp 6 speed tdci (so after an 02 plate, if i can get one cheap enough)
Pug 406 Hdi 110 estate (been offered one with only 115k for £650)
Pug 306 Hdi 90 estate (been offered a 2000 plate one with 138k on for £800)
Vw Passat estate (after 2000 plate with a PD diesel engine, preferably the 130bhp)
Any comments about these, and things to look out for?
Or any suggestions about alternatives?
I would like a good spec level and comfort if possible.
thanks
The passat and the 406 will give the best economy I think,I reckon that the 306 won't be comfy enough for the milage you are going to cover.Just my thoughts,I sure others will have more :y
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Waht are you currently getting?
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Pug 405 / 406 they seem to go for ever, comfortable, spacious and cheap to fix, if they were to go wrong...... :y
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Waht are you currently getting?
Averaging 32mpg in the mig at the moment.
And thats a mixture of town and motorway.
I have only ever got 39-40mpg on a 500mile run.
I think the 406 will be a good car, but i fear that it may be a bit poorly specced?
Might just be my imagination.
the one i have found is certainly cheap.
I have also been warned about the 306 being a bit small int he cabin for my 6ft 1 height on long journeys. I can see that it might be an issue, and if anything that is the smallest estate on the list.
I have also considered the Citroen C5 hdi's as they are very cheap for their size. But also poorly specced i think at the price i can afford.
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I worked out that in the last 10k (5 months), i would have saved £800 at todays diesel prices if i had a car that did 50+ mpg instead of 30-35.....so for me that is a very heavy weighing factor as i wish to Sit my Full motorbike test this year, and that would have paid for that twice over.
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Waht are you currently getting?
Averaging 32mpg in the mig at the moment.
And thats a mixture of town and motorway.
I have only ever got 39-40mpg on a 500mile run.
I think the 406 will be a good car, but i fear that it may be a bit poorly specced?
Might just be my imagination.
the one i have found is certainly cheap.
I have also been warned about the 306 being a bit small int he cabin for my 6ft 1 height on long journeys. I can see that it might be an issue, and if anything that is the smallest estate on the list.
I have also considered the Citroen C5 hdi's as they are very cheap for their size. But also poorly specced i think at the price i can afford.
:o :o What do you want for your money......
I had a C4 Grande Picasso, and if Miss Vamps has her way I will be getting another one :-X I guess it depends on what you expect in a car........When I was younger even a radio was an extra.... :D :D :D
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Well to be honest,
i am used to having very basic spec cars.
I dont think i have ever spent more than £800 on a car before now.
And i've been pretty lucky along the way and had some real gems. The omega i have right now (soon to be sold) was one of those gems, but its time ti move on again.
I am only saying that i have a feeling that some of these french cars will feel decidedly tacky in comparison to the heavy build quality of the Omega.
And also the fact that the Mondeo tdci's that i'm looking at are very fresh inside and modern and also seems to have all the gizmos. While the 406's i can afford for the same money feel dated and plastic in comparison.....
so i am torn.
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Waht are you currently getting?
Averaging 32mpg in the mig at the moment.
And thats a mixture of town and motorway.
I have only ever got 39-40mpg on a 500mile run.
I think the 406 will be a good car, but i fear that it may be a bit poorly specced?
Might just be my imagination.
the one i have found is certainly cheap.
I have also been warned about the 306 being a bit small int he cabin for my 6ft 1 height on long journeys. I can see that it might be an issue, and if anything that is the smallest estate on the list.
I have also considered the Citroen C5 hdi's as they are very cheap for their size. But also poorly specced i think at the price i can afford.
I'd avoid the C5, electrics are shocking and they have dodgy pcbs even for the tailgate that arn't cheap.
Passats are over priced IMO.
306 a bit small for 6' 1" me thinks - your arse and legs will ache.
406 is a good and fairly well specced car which should last with good economy.
But i'm biased and would dig out a Mondeo - nigh on bombproof. Just check to see if the dmf has been changed recently. Only thing is, for the money your looking at it will have higher miles on it than a 406. :y
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Yeah you've pretty much just confirmed my findings i think.
Plenty of high milers about for the right price, Just on a mission now to get one with low enough miles to merit a purchase.
The mondeo's do seem the right car for the job.
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The Mondeo will fit the bill but as stated check the DMF/clutch is ok, the TDCI's are almost on a par with with the Vectra 1.9CDTI for eating them and it's an expensive repair. ISTR they also have some problems with the injectors but I don't 'do' diesels :P
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'fraid there's nothing unless you're prepared to go for wrong-wheel-drive
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'fraid there's nothing unless you're prepared to go for wrong-wheel-drive
Don't know of many, if any, rwd cars in my budget offering economy and space?
Cos I'd have one if I could lol.
As for dmf and injectors. Yes, most of the ones I've seen for repair are for one of those two things. So I'm defo staying sharp on this one.
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if going for a mondeo try and get a tddi rather tan a tdci as the tddi is a better engine and doesnt suffer from injector probs like the tdci new injectors on the tdci have to be coded the tddi you can just chuck new ones in my tddi has done 230k without fault mine is a ghia and comes with climate control cruise control full electrics and better interior but even low spec ones have air con :y
i get 50 plus mpg easily and thats with the air con always on :y
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I'm seriously considering a Citroen C5 2.2Hdi estate. My brother in law has the car version and gets 50+mpg, roomy, comfy and pretty reliable. OK so not RWD but the load space is near enough the same as a Mig and you can pick them up at very reasonable prices.
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if going for a mondeo try and get a tddi rather tan a tdci as the tddi is a better engine and doesnt suffer from injector probs like the tdci new injectors on the tdci have to be coded the tddi you can just chuck new ones in my tddi has done 230k without fault mine is a ghia and comes with climate control cruise control full electrics and better interior but even low spec ones have air con :y
i get 50 plus mpg easily and thats with the air con always on :y
It's interesting that you say that because from everything i have read, the "better" engine is supposed to be the TDCI. What with it's Cam Chain and more power and the addition of a 6 speed box.
I think i have a liking for cam chains...seems to take the expensive hassle out of cambelt changes. I never feel confident doing cambelts myself, but i'm happy to do very regular oil changes and the like.
I have seen plenty of Tddi mondeos with better spec for sale at good prices too...hmm something to consider.
thanks
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most tdcis have a 5 speed box unless you go for a newer one the tddi is a lot easier to look after as its direct injection and not common rail both are very good engines though the six speed box can be prolematic both engines are chain driven i was lucky as mine has xenon headlights which was a very expensive extra and rare on mondeos and as said if you can get a ghia or ghia x for better spec level :y
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Tddi is chain as well, but lacks the power/economy of tdci
Vector estate with dti or cdti is another option
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i think a vectra estate should solve your problems, 2.0 DTH diesel is economical as f***, i had a DTL vectra estate as a working car, had done plenty on it and i was very pleased
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Tddi is chain as well, but lacks the power/economy of tdci
Vector estate with dti or cdti is another option
tddi and tdci economy is almost identical and not much in it power wise unless you go for a tdci 150 or above which are way out of his price range :y
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dont know if you will get a decent miles/spec 406 for £1500 but they are comfy cars
vectra estate sounds like a good one but, more about with the right history etc
didnt see too many mondeos in good spec, with miles and history for that.
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What's wrong with an Omega 2.2 dti?
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What's wrong with an Omega 2.2 dti?
dont think his budget will get a decent 2.2dti omega estate with milage under 150k and he want 50+mpg
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I'm seriously considering a Citroen C5 2.2Hdi estate. My brother in law has the car version and gets 50+mpg, roomy, comfy and pretty reliable. OK so not RWD but the load space is near enough the same as a Mig and you can pick them up at very reasonable prices.
My father has a c5 2.2Hdi auto and it is a nice car,he has had a couple of problems with the ESP and TC but both have been fixed by the extended warranty,fuel economy on the auto is not so good though,his does mid 30's average but his old 2.0Hdi c5 manual would do a regular 48-52mpg but obviously lacked the grunt of the 2.2.I have towed the van with his car and it certainly makes much lighter work of it than my mig does :y
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if going for a mondeo try and get a tddi rather tan a tdci as the tddi is a better engine and doesnt suffer from injector probs like the tdci new injectors on the tdci have to be coded the tddi you can just chuck new ones in my tddi has done 230k without fault mine is a ghia and comes with climate control cruise control full electrics and better interior but even low spec ones have air con :y
i get 50 plus mpg easily and thats with the air con always on :y
It's interesting that you say that because from everything i have read, the "better" engine is supposed to be the TDCI. What with it's Cam Chain and more power and the addition of a 6 speed box.
I think i have a liking for cam chains...seems to take the expensive hassle out of cambelt changes. I never feel confident doing cambelts myself, but i'm happy to do very regular oil changes and the like.
I have seen plenty of Tddi mondeos with better spec for sale at good prices too...hmm something to consider.
thanks
The TDCI is a rather mare!
Trouble with flywheels (as per all modern diesels it would appear) injectors, high pressure pumps, the odd turbo etc etc etc
I personaly would aheva belt over a chain any day of the week as you know where you are with a belt.....chains DO stretch, the guides and tensioners DO wear and they DO snap. Plus changing them is a bigger job to!
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I genuinely didnt know the TDDI was a chain driven engine.....That does put it in a much better light in my eyes.
I think i have put common rail on a pedestal, as its the newer technology with supposedly better efficiency and refinement.
As for finding a good 406 with low miles...that seems to not be a problem in my price range.
I'm not scared of over 100k on diesels.
I bought the mig with 111k on it.
I'd probably go as far as 130k, so that it will have roughly 150k on it in a years time (when i might sell up again lol)
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2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 90 PS (89 hp (66 kW) and 155 lb·ft (210 N·m)) (2.0 TDDi 90)
2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 116 PS (114 hp (85 kW) and 207 lb·ft (281 N·m)) (2.0 TDCi 115)
2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 131 PS (129 hp (96 kW) and 244 lb·ft (331 N·m)) (2.0 TDCi 130)
figures show what i would call significant power and torque differences between the tddi and the 130bhp tdci's i have been looking for.
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2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 90 PS (89 hp (66 kW) and 155 lb·ft (210 N·m)) (2.0 TDDi 90)
2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 116 PS (114 hp (85 kW) and 207 lb·ft (281 N·m)) (2.0 TDCi 115)
2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 131 PS (129 hp (96 kW) and 244 lb·ft (331 N·m)) (2.0 TDCi 130)
figures show what i would call significant power and torque differences between the tddi and the 130bhp tdci's i have been looking for.
nearly 100 extra torques and 40bhp more should be pretty noticable
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2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 90 PS (89 hp (66 kW) and 155 lb·ft (210 N·m)) (2.0 TDDi 90)
2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 116 PS (114 hp (85 kW) and 207 lb·ft (281 N·m)) (2.0 TDCi 115)
2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 131 PS (129 hp (96 kW) and 244 lb·ft (331 N·m)) (2.0 TDCi 130)
figures show what i would call significant power and torque differences between the tddi and the 130bhp tdci's i have been looking for.
missing off that list is the tddi 115 which i have unfortunately they are hard to get hold of and i think only came in ghia or ghia x
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Given your budget, Diesel cost and vehicle size, think I would be looking for an LPG Estate.
Chris.
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Can you name me an Lpg car with a good load space and a big enough lpg tank that doesnt intrude on the load space.....that would give the equivalent of 50mpg?
From what i know, with the price of LPG on the rise, and the decreased efficiency when running on LPG, i would be lucky to match the economy of a good diesel.
I would not be happy stopping every 250-300 miles either.
I know the the diesels will do 500-600 on one tank.
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2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 90 PS (89 hp (66 kW) and 155 lb·ft (210 N·m)) (2.0 TDDi 90)
2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 116 PS (114 hp (85 kW) and 207 lb·ft (281 N·m)) (2.0 TDCi 115)
2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 131 PS (129 hp (96 kW) and 244 lb·ft (331 N·m)) (2.0 TDCi 130)
figures show what i would call significant power and torque differences between the tddi and the 130bhp tdci's i have been looking for.
missing off that list is the tddi 115 which i have unfortunately they are hard to get hold of and i think only came in ghia or ghia x
Not seen any mention of that engine in my research so far. That would be a more viable option, but i fear that it would be hard to identify which of them has it.
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Can you name me an Lpg car with a good load space and a big enough lpg tank that doesnt intrude on the load space.....that would give the equivalent of 50mpg?
From what i know, with the price of LPG on the rise, and the decreased efficiency when running on LPG, i would be lucky to match the economy of a good diesel.
I would not be happy stopping every 250-300 miles either.
I know the the diesels will do 500-600 on one tank.
406 will do over 700 miles on a tank of derv :D :y
On a recent run to goodwood and back it averaged 53mpg loaded with four+luggage and camping gear :y
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now that is more like it lol.
They do seem to be rated highly in comfort, space and efficiency..
I may be swung yet lol
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As far as i know, ALL the early TDDi lumps were 115Bhp. The only 90Bhp Mondy was a late run of detuned TDCi's on a reduced emission basis. The TDDi can be tweaked to 130Bhp......so swing back to the Mondy fella ;D ;D
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Here you go fella, right up your street :y
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-FORD-MONDEO-ZETEC-ESTATE-TDCI-/200633969965?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2eb6b76d2d
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Mondeo, Vectra or Passat I'd say :y
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As far as i know, ALL the early TDDi lumps were 115Bhp. The only 90Bhp Mondy was a late run of detuned TDCi's on a reduced emission basis. The TDDi can be tweaked to 130Bhp......so swing back to the Mondy fella ;D ;D
yep had mine tweaked 138bhp cant remember how much it cost but wasnt much and didnt have an adverse effect on mpg if anything i think it improved :y
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Here you go fella, right up your street :y
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-FORD-MONDEO-ZETEC-ESTATE-TDCI-/200633969965?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2eb6b76d2d
Yeah thats the main one i was watching lol, I offered him 1500, and heard nothing back.
But now it's gone....so who knows.
I'll just have to keep my eyes out. But you're right, thats exactly what i have been looking at.
I'm really not sure on the tddi's, From what i've read, there is some discrepancy about the power outputs. Tbh, i think 90bhp does sound a bit low for a big car like that...115 is definitely more like it. And yeah i have read up a little on the tuning aspect of it all.
130tdci can be taken to 170bhp lol
and 90bhp tddi can go to 128bhp....
Does anyone have a rough price for their ones? Because the ones i've seen are asking for like £350...and that's a bit rich in my opinion....especially when compared to £70 for the omega chip ::) ;D :o
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My car sold today for £1200, so we are go go go to buy a new one soon lol.
Looks like i'll be borrowing my Girlfriends parents car for the weekend so i can work....my girlfriend A: refuses to drive me to work (as she would have to wait with me) and B: needs to use her car herself because her sister is over.....
So i am carless. I dont like this feeling haha
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most tdcis have a 5 speed box unless you go for a newer one the tddi is a lot easier to look after as its direct injection and not common rail both are very good engines though the six speed box can be prolematic both engines are chain driven i was lucky as mine has xenon headlights which was a very expensive extra and rare on mondeos and as said if you can get a ghia or ghia x for better spec level :y
i dont know about common rail in that damn peugeot of mine more like common fail :y
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Ha, I suppose there are always going to be some bad eggs out there.
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looks like i've gone and bought an 04 plate MG ZT-T+ CDTI 135
Should be good for 50mpg on a run, and is well specced.
Within my budget too.
ALSO, seems i now have a pug 406 td to get rid of. Bought it as a stop gap...was half tempted to keep it lol, but it's not big enough.