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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: feeutfo on 01 August 2011, 10:45:54
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Getting slow or no response code and it's upsetting the LPG. Software shows it out of time with the other bank.
Where is best place to get one? GM or pattern.... Must be new, not worth messing about. That's if the old one comes out at all of course. :(
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I guess you could just fit a new boss like when relocating Lamda's if needs be :-/
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dunno on your TC access..so heres the current range..
Omega ('94-'03)
Lambda Sensors
Application Description Part No. Retail Trade Trade Club Wish List
2.0i 16v Turbo - X20XEV (Ch.>) R1000001; (>Ch.) T1066218 90509276 £133.00 £120.33 £100.79
2.0i 16v Turbo - X20XEV 360mm; (Ch.>) T1066219 90528640 £133.00 £120.33 £100.79
2.0i 8v - X20SE Bosch 90509274 £133.00 £120.33 £100.79
2.2i 16v - Y22XE Position 1; With Manual transmission; 770mm 9202575 £77.50 £69.75 £62.32
2.2i 16v - Y22XE With Automatic Transmission; 620mm 9202576 £116.00 £104.40 £88.10
2.2i 16v - Z22XE Position 1; With Manual transmission; 770mm 9202575 £77.50 £69.75 £62.32
2.2i 16v - Z22XE With Automatic Transmission; 620mm 9202576 £116.00 £104.40 £88.10
2.5i 24v V6 - X25XE With Automatic Transmission; Bosch 90509274 £133.00 £120.33 £100.79
2.6i 24v - Y26SE Position 1; With Automatic Transmission 9195606 £108.00 £97.32 £81.72
2.6i 24v - Y26SE Position 1; With Manual Transmission 9199470 £100.00 £90.00 £75.35
2.6i 24v - Y26SE Position 2; With Manual Transmission; (>Ch.) 21059096 9199470 £100.00 £90.00 £75.35
3.0i 24v V6 - X30XE With Automatic Transmission; Bosch 90509274 £133.00 £120.33 £100.79
3.2i 24v V6 - Y32SE Position 1; With Automatic Transmission 9195606 £108.00 £97.32 £81.72
3.2i 24v V6 - Y32SE Position 1; With Manual Transmission
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Not down to the LPG calibration being problematic, is it?
I would try and resolve the LPG sending the fuel trims out before condemning the lambda sensor. :-/
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Not down to the LPG calibration being problematic, is it?
I would try and resolve the LPG sending the fuel trims out before condemning the lambda sensor. :-/
No, something is upsetting the fueling on bank 2. Petrol injector times are plus 1.5 on average iirc Fitted another coil PAC as there was a misfiring issue, it's used but instantly ticks over smoother once fitted.
Recalibration then showed bank 2 lambda out of time with bank one. It's intermittent, but clearly there. Probably causing the intermittent hunting I would think....?
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Sorry, should add, I swapped the injector blocks. Then swapped the fuel feed pipes from post filters to injector blocks. No change to bank 2 injector times. Discussions with Tilo and others suggest that rules out the kit. It's something on the car.
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Not down to the LPG calibration being problematic, is it?
I would try and resolve the LPG sending the fuel trims out before condemning the lambda sensor. :-/
No, something is upsetting the fueling on bank 2. Petrol injector times are plus 1.5 on average iirc Fitted another coil PAC as there was a misfiring issue, it's used but instantly ticks over smoother once fitted.
Recalibration then showed bank 2 lambda out of time with bank one. It's intermittent, but clearly there. Probably causing the intermittent hunting I would think....?
After a bit of head scratching it does point to that sensor. Kev, it looks like the lambda sensor is what's upsetting the LPG fuelling. Under wot it's not going fully open loop... One bank is, the other keeps having a "moment" and dropping down briefly... No real signs of leaning out and does it on petrol as well.
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dunno on your TC access..so heres the current range..
Omega ('94-'03)
Lambda Sensors
Application Description Part No. Retail Trade Trade Club Wish List
2.0i 16v Turbo - X20XEV (Ch.>) R1000001; (>Ch.) T1066218 90509276 £133.00 £120.33 £100.79
2.0i 16v Turbo - X20XEV 360mm; (Ch.>) T1066219 90528640 £133.00 £120.33 £100.79
2.0i 8v - X20SE Bosch 90509274 £133.00 £120.33 £100.79
2.2i 16v - Y22XE Position 1; With Manual transmission; 770mm 9202575 £77.50 £69.75 £62.32
2.2i 16v - Y22XE With Automatic Transmission; 620mm 9202576 £116.00 £104.40 £88.10
2.2i 16v - Z22XE Position 1; With Manual transmission; 770mm 9202575 £77.50 £69.75 £62.32
2.2i 16v - Z22XE With Automatic Transmission; 620mm 9202576 £116.00 £104.40 £88.10
2.5i 24v V6 - X25XE With Automatic Transmission; Bosch 90509274 £133.00 £120.33 £100.79
2.6i 24v - Y26SE Position 1; With Automatic Transmission 9195606 £108.00 £97.32 £81.72
2.6i 24v - Y26SE Position 1; With Manual Transmission 9199470 £100.00 £90.00 £75.35
2.6i 24v - Y26SE Position 2; With Manual Transmission; (>Ch.) 21059096 9199470 £100.00 £90.00 £75.35
3.0i 24v V6 - X30XE With Automatic Transmission; Bosch 90509274 £133.00 £120.33 £100.79
3.2i 24v V6 - Y32SE Position 1; With Automatic Transmission 9195606 £108.00 £97.32 £81.72
3.2i 24v V6 - Y32SE Position 1; With Manual Transmission
Thanks Jimbob.
I have tc access. But 3.2 auto still seems steep. I guess a factors?
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Not down to the LPG calibration being problematic, is it?
I would try and resolve the LPG sending the fuel trims out before condemning the lambda sensor. :-/
No, something is upsetting the fueling on bank 2. Petrol injector times are plus 1.5 on average iirc Fitted another coil PAC as there was a misfiring issue, it's used but instantly ticks over smoother once fitted.
Recalibration then showed bank 2 lambda out of time with bank one. It's intermittent, but clearly there. Probably causing the intermittent hunting I would think....?
Hmm. That's odd because I remember the fuel trims being within a percent or so on petrol before it was converted. I remember it because it was unusually good. :-/
Then again, maybe a coil pack issue has contaminated the sensor.
Worth disconnecting the lambda sensor feeds to the LPG ECU first just in case that's influencing it?
Oh, and remember that we wound on a load of correction on that LPG bank, thinking it was the LPG injectors...
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Fuel trims do return to normal on petrol.
It appears to be using more LPG than usual as I ran out earlier than expected and had to use petrol for about 20 miles. Filled up with LPG then a further 2 or 3 miles to destination where it was tech2'd only to show a 3% fuel trim error. 24% is not uncommon on that bank. Cp was changed later.
It would appear just the good side of marginal on petrol, perhaps....?
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Its still trimming up too much IMHO. But that B2S1 did seem a bit lazy after a period of idling, switching back properly after a period of caning it.
IMHO, these never evaps are a PITA to get the LPG set up on, but worth the effort.
I seem to recall this car didn't return long term trims back to 0% on petrol, which is a tad unusual IME.
My own gut reaction - proper diagnosis isn't available the day after a beer festival on a hot day - is something is throwing the petrol ECU off slightly, and this is getting amplified by the LPG. Trims last seen at 13% (B1) and 24% (B2).
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Sounds like we need to go back to basics. Reset block learning, give it a thorough check out on petrol and take it from there.
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Sounds like we need to go back to basics. Reset block learning, give it a thorough check out on petrol and take it from there.
Hmm... Suppose we could just disconnect that bank lambda signal to see what happens :-/ As above... A beer festival on a hot day did impose on a full day fault finding the following day ::)
My gut feeling is that the sensor is tired and messing with the trims too much
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Ifg it helps, after a BLM reset, or a code clear (which resets BLMs on DBW), my Elite's long term trims will remain at 0%. Be it miss daisy, or ragged.
Kevin Wood is the Lamda anorak expert, maybe he could glance over it if he has a free couple of hours?
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Ifg it helps, after a BLM reset, or a code clear (which resets BLMs on DBW)
does this apply when clearing with machines other than tech2, eg "My Naff Code Reader"?
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Ifg it helps, after a BLM reset, or a code clear (which resets BLMs on DBW)
does this apply when clearing with machines other than tech2, eg "My Naff Code Reader"?
seems to, yes :y
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Ifg it helps, after a BLM reset, or a code clear (which resets BLMs on DBW)
does this apply when clearing with machines other than tech2, eg "My Naff Code Reader"?
How could I possibly know, seeing "My Naff Code Reader" is not available legally in the UK :-X
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Ifg it helps, after a BLM reset, or a code clear (which resets BLMs on DBW)
does this apply when clearing with machines other than tech2, eg "My Naff Code Reader"?
How could I possibly know, seeing "My Naff Code Reader" is not available legally in the UK :-X
Given that there's a simple OBDII command to clear the stored codes and that if I send it with my legal generic OBDII cable it also clears the fuel trims I would say that when the ECU interprets that command it also clears the fuel trims. ;)
We can therefore infer that, if the mythical legal tool known as "My Naff Code Reader" existed, it would have the same effect. :-X
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Ifg it helps, after a BLM reset, or a code clear (which resets BLMs on DBW)
does this apply when clearing with machines other than tech2, eg "My Naff Code Reader"?
How could I possibly know, seeing "My Naff Code Reader" is not available legally in the UK :-X
Given that there's a simple OBDII command to clear the stored codes and that if I send it with my legal generic OBDII cable it also clears the fuel trims I would say that when the ECU interprets that command it also clears the fuel trims. ;)
We can therefore infer that, if the mythical legal tool known as "My Naff Code Reader" existed, it would have the same effect. :-X
My feelings exactly. We all know a tool as dumb as "My Naff Code Reader" would no have the intelligence to go off and clear the BLMs (nor would you want it to, given the end results of many of its programming efforts), but I suspect its an ECU feature, not a Tech2 feature.
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Well, it's done a tank of gas since last weekend and it's Friday. Light still off. Although there is probably a bank 2 fuel trim code, I'll check later.
But certainly seems as though changing the coil PAC has had a positive effect. Must admit I was surprised at the poor condition of the old one. :-[
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Yep. 0173 fuel trim malfunction bank 2.
Still no light though. But some slight hesitancy at top end wot.
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Yep. 0173 fuel trim malfunction bank 2.
Still no light though. But some slight hesitancy at top end wot.
May be we need to do another calibration run in a couple of weeks... The map wasn't as good as I'd have liked but time was marching on ::)
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Yep. 0173 fuel trim malfunction bank 2.
Still no light though. But some slight hesitancy at top end wot.
May be we need to do another calibration run in a couple of weeks... The map wasn't as good as I'd have liked but time was marching on ::)
Could the hesitancy be to do with the lambda cycling, or not cycling as the case may be...?
Hoping to see Kev soon ish. Work is manic ATM. >:(
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Could the hesitancy be to do with the lambda cycling, or not cycling as the case may be...?
Hoping to see Kev soon ish. Work is manic ATM. >:(
Not at WOT. Lambda sensor should be out of the picture then. :-/
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Could the hesitancy be to do with the lambda cycling, or not cycling as the case may be...?
Hoping to see Kev soon ish. Work is manic ATM. >:(
Not at WOT. Lambda sensor should be out of the picture then. :-/
Which means it could be ::) bank 2 isn't going fully open loop and the lambda is doing an occasional half cycle :-/
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Open or closed loop is down to the ECU and it will go closed loop based on engine load at full throttle regardless of what the lambda sensor is doing.
Only question in my mind is whether the long term fuel trim is applied at full load. If it's built up a huge fuel trim that might explain it. :-/
Swapping the bank 1 and 2 lambda sensors would prove it one way or the other.
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Really hoping it's something else. Certainly not looking forward to o2 sensors refusing to come out. :(
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Open or closed loop is down to the ECU and it will go closed loop based on engine load at full throttle regardless of what the lambda sensor is doing.
Only question in my mind is whether the long term fuel trim is applied at full load. If it's built up a huge fuel trim that might explain it. :-/
Swapping the bank 1 and 2 lambda sensors would prove it one way or the other.
TBH, I wouldn't fancy the headache of getting both out ::) For the sake of £40 odd I think I'd just stick a new one in :-/
That sensor is definitely lazy as when left idling it stops switching. Mind you, my saloon had the same issue and seemed to be OK :-/
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Misfire returned yesterday morning so new 246 Bosch coil PAC fitted today. £66
Got a genuine bosch lambda for £53 iirc while I was there. Will try and fit that tomorrow.... A bit previous without Kev checking over it but time is limited and 0173 is bothering me. It's dragging in too long.
All parts direct in Slough supplied.
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Also noticed the loom plug to cp is broken. Split in the side.
It still clicks home fully and is solidly in place. Don't think it will affect it...?
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Also noticed the loom plug to cp is broken. Split in the side.
It still clicks home fully and is solidly in place. Don't think it will affect it...?
Should be OK. Give it a waggle while it's running and see if you can provoke a misfire.
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Misfire returned yesterday morning so new 246 Bosch coil PAC fitted today. £66
Got a genuine bosch lambda for £53 iirc while I was there. Will try and fit that tomorrow.... A bit previous without Kev checking over it but time is limited and 0173 is bothering me. It's dragging in too long.
All parts direct in Slough supplied.
Is that with the one we fitted a couple of weeks back?
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Misfire returned yesterday morning so new 246 Bosch coil PAC fitted today. £66
Got a genuine bosch lambda for £53 iirc while I was there. Will try and fit that tomorrow.... A bit previous without Kev checking over it but time is limited and 0173 is bothering me. It's dragging in too long.
All parts direct in Slough supplied.
Is that with the one we fitted a couple of weeks back?
Yep.
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Misfire returned yesterday morning so new 246 Bosch coil PAC fitted today. £66
Got a genuine bosch lambda for £53 iirc while I was there. Will try and fit that tomorrow.... A bit previous without Kev checking over it but time is limited and 0173 is bothering me. It's dragging in too long.
All parts direct in Slough supplied.
Is that with the one we fitted a couple of weeks back?
Yep.
So it seems that 2nd hand CPs are problematic with LPG cars then :'(
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Misfire returned yesterday morning so new 246 Bosch coil PAC fitted today. £66
Got a genuine bosch lambda for £53 iirc while I was there. Will try and fit that tomorrow.... A bit previous without Kev checking over it but time is limited and 0173 is bothering me. It's dragging in too long.
All parts direct in Slough supplied.
Is that with the one we fitted a couple of weeks back?
Yep.
So it seems that 2nd hand CPs are problematic with LPG cars then :'(
Which isn't really a massive surprise. We already know LPG will find any slight HT weakness ;) ;)
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Fitted new lambda. Bloody fiddly. Sensor came put no problem at all, but had to use an open ended 22 mill spanner, lambda socket was far too long, no room. Left the old sensor cable tied in as it's fixed by the cable and wasn't sure if pulling it out would drag anything else with it. Plus the chance i mat have to re fit it, of the new one was fubar.
They are quire differant to the pre face lift ones.
Routing concealed by the gear selector switch and lever mechanism which was all in the way, and plug barely reachable.
Haven't had a chance to clear codes and fuel trims, but it's calibrated again as is. Until code clearing tomorrow.
After o2 sensors warmed up a bit they both now seem to cycle at the same rate with similar high and low voltages, better than before. Initially the new one was miles off. :-/
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I guess you want me to bring my Lappy next time we're meeting up then ::)
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I guess you want me to bring my Lappy next time we're meeting up then ::)
Oh, bagsie I drive, which he watches trims on tech2. Purely for scientific purposes to compare the suspension, and nothing to do with wanted to rag the tits of it...
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I guess you want me to bring my Lappy next time we're meeting up then ::)
Oh, bagsie I drive, which he watches trims on tech2. Purely for scientific purposes to compare the suspension, and nothing to do with wanted to rag the tits of it...
No Fair :( :( :( I never get to drive ;D ;D
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I guess you want me to bring my Lappy next time we're meeting up then ::)
Oh, bagsie I drive, which he watches trims on tech2. Purely for scientific purposes to compare the suspension, and nothing to do with wanted to rag the tits of it...
No Fair :( :( :( I never get to drive ;D ;D
Thats because you're a cripple, Glassback :P
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I guess you want me to bring my Lappy next time we're meeting up then ::)
Oh, bagsie I drive, which he watches trims on tech2. Purely for scientific purposes to compare the suspension, and nothing to do with wanted to rag the tits of it...
No Fair :( :( :( I never get to drive ;D ;D
Thats because you're a cripple, Glassback :P
Stop bullying me or I'll push the "Grass" button and get you banned ;D ;D ;D
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I guess you want me to bring my Lappy next time we're meeting up then ::)
Oh, bagsie I drive, which he watches trims on tech2. Purely for scientific purposes to compare the suspension, and nothing to do with wanted to rag the tits of it...
No Fair :( :( :( I never get to drive ;D ;D
Thats because you're a cripple, Glassback :P
Oh Christ, better get the brakes sorted then. :o
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I guess you want me to bring my Lappy next time we're meeting up then ::)
Oh, bagsie I drive, which he watches trims on tech2. Purely for scientific purposes to compare the suspension, and nothing to do with wanted to rag the tits of it...
No Fair :( :( :( I never get to drive ;D ;D
Thats because you're a cripple, Glassback :P
Stop bullying me or I'll push the "Grass" button and get you banned ;D ;D ;D
He IS that nasty man on the Internet!
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I guess you want me to bring my Lappy next time we're meeting up then ::)
Oh, bagsie I drive, which he watches trims on tech2. Purely for scientific purposes to compare the suspension, and nothing to do with wanted to rag the tits of it...
No Fair :( :( :( I never get to drive ;D ;D
Thats because you're a cripple, Glassback :P
Stop bullying me or I'll push the "Grass" button and get you banned ;D ;D ;D
He IS that nasty man on the Internet!
Indeed... A lesson in how an internet groomer behaves :D :D
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I guess you want me to bring my Lappy next time we're meeting up then ::)
Oh, bagsie I drive, which he watches trims on tech2. Purely for scientific purposes to compare the suspension, and nothing to do with wanted to rag the tits of it...
No Fair :( :( :( I never get to drive ;D ;D
Thats because you're a cripple, Glassback :P
Oh Christ, better get the brakes sorted then. :o
Can't be worse than TBE - some shitbox new Mini thought he could be a typical BMW driver, using an inappropriate lane earlier in the rain. Now I wasn't having that, so I purposely matched his acceleration so he couldn't change into the correct lane (my lane), so he gunned it. Obviously, I had no trouble matching him. Got to around 2nd to 3rd redline gearchange before nailing the brakes for the rapidly approaching roundabout, which immediately reminded me I had a space saver spare wheel on one corner ::)
But I forced him off an exit he obviously hadn't intended to use :y
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I guess you want me to bring my Lappy next time we're meeting up then ::)
Oh, bagsie I drive, which he watches trims on tech2. Purely for scientific purposes to compare the suspension, and nothing to do with wanted to rag the tits of it...
No Fair :( :( :( I never get to drive ;D ;D
Thats because you're a cripple, Glassback :P
Oh Christ, better get the brakes sorted then. :o
Can't be worse than TBE - some shitbox new Mini thought he could be a typical BMW driver, using an inappropriate lane earlier in the rain. Now I wasn't having that, so I purposely matched his acceleration so he couldn't change into the correct lane (my lane), so he gunned it. Obviously, I had no trouble matching him. Got to around 2nd to 3rd redline gearchange before nailing the brakes for the rapidly approaching roundabout, which immediately reminded me I had a space saver spare wheel on one corner ::)
But I forced him off an exit he obviously hadn't intended to use :y
Worth the risk, and OOF honor upheld. :y
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Codes cleared, which reset the fuel trims with snap on reader.
Re calibrated again, still rich on bank 2 when looking at petrol injector times via LPG software, which is still complaining injector nozels are too big at 2.5 mill. Need to get a 2.3 mill drill I think....?
Any further thoughts?
No miss fires, and lambda 1 on Bank two now cycles continually.
Why are ingetor times higher on Bank 2? By about 0.7 to 1.0ms longer duration than bank 1 :-/
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Why are ingetor times higher on Bank 2? By about 0.7 to 1.0ms longer duration than bank 1 :-/
Because the fuel trim has cranked it up to keep the mixture correct according to the lambda sensor. Can you see the fuel trims with that code reader. (want to borrow a nice ELM that can? ::)).
Are the injector durations between the banks the same on petrol or also offset?
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Why are ingetor times higher on Bank 2? By about 0.7 to 1.0ms longer duration than bank 1 :-/
Because the fuel trim has cranked it up to keep the mixture correct according to the lambda sensor. Can you see the fuel trims with that code reader. (want to borrow a nice ELM that can? ::)).
Are the injector durations between the banks the same on petrol or also offset?
Yep crappy snappy does fuel trims and some live data. They where plus 24% both banks. Re set light came on the way home today. Fuel trim error both banks.
So, out with the drill and a bunch of drill bits from 2mll to 2.5. Re drilled a second set of injector nozels to 2.0. Re calibrate, no more injector nozel warning after calibration. Injector times now seem perfect between cylinders.
Driven round the block and light still on, expecting it to go out in a few miles but I'll re set it again tomorrow do i re calibrate again?
Does the LPG need a few miles on petol first before calibration?
Anyway, seems to have sorted the bank in balance, will see what transpires.
Nozels where previously 2.5 mill diameter.
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Yep, given what's happened I would reset the fuel trims by clearing the engine codes before recalibrating the LPG. If you do it with a huge fuel trim stored it'll never be right.
Interesting. Those injectors must flow much better than the old ones (or have a faster open/close time) to need the jet to be that small. Makes me wonder if that's what cured the lag all along... because while I'm not about to mess about changing the vapouriser to cure it I might consider swapping the injectors. :-/
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We can play swapsies. :y
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The lambda was changed, as I'm sure you read. Trims cleared. Re calibrated. No change in bank imbalance. Eml returned.
Smaller nozels seems to be the only thing that affected the bank imbalance. Although there where clearly other issues....Why one bank should be more than the other when all nozzles where all too big by the exact same amount? No idea. But it was immediately happier, noticeable at 2.0mm during re calibration even.
All cylinders and both banks are within 0.1 or 0.2 of each other afaict. The usual "wave" of numbers rising up the list of cylinders on the software has returned. :y
If it's not happy now, I don't know where else to look, but we'll see. :)
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Sounds like you've cracked it. My guess is that the LPG was too rich on the minimum injector duration the ECU could muster, and perhaps the other bank was slightly less rich, so it didn't wind the fuel trim up.
Would be interesting to do an injector swap when we've got a few hours to kill (Newent perhaps?)
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Hmmm, wonder if its worth knocking my nozzles down to 2mm - something I had considered doing when I first got it. Stayed with 2.5mm due to occasional 'Injector fully open' errors at full bore.
chrisgixer, yours is still rich at WOT across full rev range and full speed range with 2mm nozzles?
The only issue with my Elite is after its been idling more than a few seconds, a small hunt starts to appear, which immediately goes if I flick it to petrol.
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Hmmm, wonder if its worth knocking my nozzles down to 2mm - something I had considered doing when I first got it. Stayed with 2.5mm due to occasional 'Injector fully open' errors at full bore.
chrisgixer, yours is still rich at WOT across full rev range and full speed range with 2mm nozzles?
The only issue with my Elite is after its been idling more than a few seconds, a small hunt starts to appear, which immediately goes if I flick it to petrol.
Can't check re WOT just yet until I either bump into Lazy or find someone prepared to drive it at WOT... My neighbour with snap On reader is out currently so taking it easy until checked.
Hunting and bank imbalance would appear to be due to oversize injector nozzles.... So far anyway. If it's lean then can go bigger obviously. I guess there will be a point where it stays rich enough but doesn't hunt, that will be the magic drill size. Bit fussy if so, but so be it.
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Hmmm, wonder if its worth knocking my nozzles down to 2mm - something I had considered doing when I first got it. Stayed with 2.5mm due to occasional 'Injector fully open' errors at full bore.
chrisgixer, yours is still rich at WOT across full rev range and full speed range with 2mm nozzles?
The only issue with my Elite is after its been idling more than a few seconds, a small hunt starts to appear, which immediately goes if I flick it to petrol.
Can't check re WOT just yet until I either bump into Lazy or find someone prepared to drive it at WOT... My neighbour with snap On reader is out currently so taking it easy until checked.
Hunting and bank imbalance would appear to be due to oversize injector nozzles.... So far anyway. If it's lean then can go bigger obviously. I guess there will be a point where it stays rich enough but doesn't hunt, that will be the magic drill size. Bit fussy if so, but so be it.
IIRC, we did glassbacks to 2.3mm
You drive it yourself at WOT, using the record feature of the s/w ;)... ....Or give Mrs CG a tablespoon of sugar-filled jelly cubes, and tell her its a VW Polo, not a Vauxhall :-X
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Hmmm, wonder if its worth knocking my nozzles down to 2mm - something I had considered doing when I first got it. Stayed with 2.5mm due to occasional 'Injector fully open' errors at full bore.
chrisgixer, yours is still rich at WOT across full rev range and full speed range with 2mm nozzles?
The only issue with my Elite is after its been idling more than a few seconds, a small hunt starts to appear, which immediately goes if I flick it to petrol.
Can't check re WOT just yet until I either bump into Lazy or find someone prepared to drive it at WOT... My neighbour with snap On reader is out currently so taking it easy until checked.
Hunting and bank imbalance would appear to be due to oversize injector nozzles.... So far anyway. If it's lean then can go bigger obviously. I guess there will be a point where it stays rich enough but doesn't hunt, that will be the magic drill size. Bit fussy if so, but so be it.
IIRC, we did glassbacks to 2.3mm
You drive it yourself at WOT, using the record feature of the s/w ;)... ....Or give Mrs CG a tablespoon of sugar-filled jelly cubes, and tell her its a VW Polo, not a Vauxhall :-X
Oh, yes, the other issue, lapy battery is breaked. So will need a rather long extension lead. ;D
May need to go bigger, I have 2.1/2/3/4 drill sizes :-/ but iirc Lazytinkers hunts a fraction as well...? Or am I fuddled with yours again? :-[
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I'm more than happy to volunteer to
thrape the nuts off drive your car in a manner suited to testing WOT performance, Chris.. ;) ;D
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I'm more than happy to volunteer to thrape the nuts off drive your car in a manner suited to testing WOT performance, Chris.. ;) ;D
...sorry, what was that? The Telly is up loud... :-/
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;D
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Hmmm, wonder if its worth knocking my nozzles down to 2mm - something I had considered doing when I first got it. Stayed with 2.5mm due to occasional 'Injector fully open' errors at full bore.
chrisgixer, yours is still rich at WOT across full rev range and full speed range with 2mm nozzles?
The only issue with my Elite is after its been idling more than a few seconds, a small hunt starts to appear, which immediately goes if I flick it to petrol.
Can't check re WOT just yet until I either bump into Lazy or find someone prepared to drive it at WOT... My neighbour with snap On reader is out currently so taking it easy until checked.
Hunting and bank imbalance would appear to be due to oversize injector nozzles.... So far anyway. If it's lean then can go bigger obviously. I guess there will be a point where it stays rich enough but doesn't hunt, that will be the magic drill size. Bit fussy if so, but so be it.
IIRC, we did glassbacks to 2.3mm
You drive it yourself at WOT, using the record feature of the s/w ;)... ....Or give Mrs CG a tablespoon of sugar-filled jelly cubes, and tell her its a VW Polo, not a Vauxhall :-X
Oh, yes, the other issue, lapy battery is breaked. So will need a rather long extension lead. ;D
May need to go bigger, I have 2.1/2/3/4 drill sizes :-/ but iirc Lazytinkers hunts a fraction as well...? Or am I fuddled with yours again? :-[
Yep, mine are 2.3 and very occasionally has a little hunt ::)
We'll sort it next weekend :y
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Light was out on first start up this morning. :y
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Light was out on first start up this morning. :y
Sounds like we're there t :yhen... must be less than 2.5mm injectors
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Started at lunch time and tick over was grump on petrol, fine on gas, I it switched over immediately as it was warm enough from previous use.
Work to do I fancy. :-/
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Started at lunch time and tick over was grump on petrol, fine on gas, I it switched over immediately as it was warm enough from previous use.
Work to do I fancy. :-/
I'd love to know what the trims are like...
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Started at lunch time and tick over was grump on petrol, fine on gas, I it switched over immediately as it was warm enough from previous use.
Work to do I fancy. :-/
I'd love to know what the trims are like...
Yep, trying to get a reader on it again. Maybe it's trimmed it back the others way...? :-/
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Started at lunch time and tick over was grump on petrol, fine on gas, I it switched over immediately as it was warm enough from previous use.
Work to do I fancy. :-/
I'd love to know what the trims are like...
Yep, trying to get a reader on it again. Maybe it's trimmed it back the others way...? :-/
Who knows, but any calibration needs to be done after its proven the trims don't move on petrol, and when the long terms are at 0%
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Started at lunch time and tick over was grump on petrol, fine on gas, I it switched over immediately as it was warm enough from previous use.
Work to do I fancy. :-/
I'd love to know what the trims are like...
Yep, trying to get a reader on it again. Maybe it's trimmed it back the others way...? :-/
Who knows, but any calibration needs to be done after its proven the trims don't move on petrol, and when the long terms are at 0%
Yep, 'twas. :y
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Does the Stag ECU have a setting for these injectors or are they running on the Valtek 3 ohm setting?
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Does the Stag ECU have a setting for these injectors or are they running on the Valtek 3 ohm setting?
Believe so, LD will confirm no doubt. :-/
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Does the Stag ECU have a setting for these injectors or are they running on the Valtek 3 ohm setting?
Believe so, LD will confirm no doubt. :-/
They're on the correct setting... Motogas 3ohm iirc :y
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I wouldn't mind contemplating betting a gonad that there is not a setting for motogas :-/
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I wouldn't mind contemplating betting a gonad that there is not a setting for motogas :-/
Left or right? ;D ;D ;D
Actually... You are (in theory) correct. The setting is Valtec/.../Blah/.../AC 3ohm :y
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I wouldn't mind contemplating betting a gonad that there is not a setting for motogas :-/
Left or right? ;D ;D ;D
Actually... You are (in theory) correct. The setting is Valtec/.../Blah/.../AC 3ohm :y
My gonads live to fight another day ;). I think we run them as Valtek 3ohm iirc
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I wouldn't mind contemplating betting a gonad that there is not a setting for motogas :-/
Left or right? ;D ;D ;D
Actually... You are (in theory) correct. The setting is Valtec/.../Blah/.../AC 3ohm :y
My gonads live to fight another day ;). I think we run them as Valtek 3ohm iirc
Only on a technicality ;D ;D
Run on the setting I said, which does include AC Rail 3ohm (AC and Motogas being one and the same ;))
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I wouldn't mind contemplating betting a gonad that there is not a setting for motogas :-/
.. which means that if the open/close times are radically different to the Valtek injectors (which are extremely slow) we might expect to see them tricky to map and running out of resolution at idle. :-/
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I wouldn't mind contemplating betting a gonad that there is not a setting for motogas :-/
.. which means that if the open/close times are radically different to the Valtek injectors (which are extremely slow) we might expect to see them tricky to map and running out of resolution at idle. :-/
But they're running on the correct setting... It does include the Valtek but also includes the AC rail we're using ;)
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But they're running on the correct setting... It does include the Valtek but also includes the AC rail we're using ;)
OK. On to the next theory, then... :-/
;)
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y'know.. this is not a good advert for gassing an Omega :P
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y'know.. this is not a good advert for gassing an Omega :P
True... But mine is spot on :y :y
Around 5k done on LPG now... Over half way to payback :y
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y'know.. this is not a good advert for gassing an Omega :P
True... But mine is spot on :y :y
Around 5k done on LPG now... Over half way to payback :y
Mine has done, errr, uhmm, 3k tops. Just over a 3rd towards partback ::).
The MV6 however.... :-X
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y'know.. this is not a good advert for gassing an Omega :P
True... But mine is spot on :y :y
Around 5k done on LPG now... Over half way to payback :y
So what you're saying is.. Chris fitted his wrong? :-X ;D Or it was the bag of gravel I keep hearing about..
I just went and checked, though, as you said that - I only did 7K in the Omega last year (and I hardly drove the MR2).. my mileage has really come down since moving here, to the point where I wonder if it's worth it.
Then again, petrol prices are rather painful!
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y'know.. this is not a good advert for gassing an Omega :P
True... But mine is spot on :y :y
Around 5k done on LPG now... Over half way to payback :y
So what you're saying is.. Chris fitted his wrong? :-X ;D Or it was the bag of gravel I keep hearing about..
I just went and checked, though, as you said that - I only did 7K in the Omega last year (and I hardly drove the MR2).. my mileage has really come down since moving here, to the point where I wonder if it's worth it.
Then again, petrol prices are rather painful!
:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Well... ISTR spending quite a bit of time trying to work out why it wasn't getting liquid LPG to the vaporiser only to discover a kinked pipe so :-X :-X :-X :-X ;D ;D ;D ;D
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y'know.. this is not a good advert for gassing an Omega :P
True... But mine is spot on :y :y
Around 5k done on LPG now... Over half way to payback :y
So what you're saying is.. Chris fitted his wrong? :-X ;D Or it was the bag of gravel I keep hearing about..
I just went and checked, though, as you said that - I only did 7K in the Omega last year (and I hardly drove the MR2).. my mileage has really come down since moving here, to the point where I wonder if it's worth it.
Then again, petrol prices are rather painful!
If your sure your going to keep the car... then it's worth it! :y
There have been issues with the way I installed it, a kinked pipe in the fuel feed from tank where it runs out of site from through the vent pipe, and a pinched pipe from injectors to nozels to manifold nozzels. I was careful to check too in this instance... Dunno. :-[
Car had a poor condition coil pac that I had issues with before with water from a loose windscreen seal, this on the same bank as the trapped injector pipe.
Not sure how much effect the slow lambda had, but it was def slow on petrol as well, now sorted.
All this interfered with what would appear to be the most significant issue of injector nozzel size. A case of experimentation until its correct as this is a new kit, effectively, put together by Tilo for us I believe. This is all part of a diy install as far as I'm concerned.
The kit itself is not at fault, clearly. It's been me and the car. Shit happens. ;D :y
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To ensure that the procedures and techniques are correct I'm willing to loan my V6 to the OOF LPG team for full installation of the approved LPG kit. I will of course
assist sod off and drink beer as required.
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All in the name of quality control naturally Andy... ;D :y
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To ensure that the procedures and techniques are correct I'm willing to loan my V6 to the OOF LPG team for full installation of the approved LPG kit. I will of course assist sod off and drink beer as required.
You have to be present to hear the various "Not my car" comments ::) ::) ;D ;D
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Judging by the amount of miles i've driven it lately it probably won't be my car soon!
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Judging by the amount of miles i've driven it lately it probably won't be my car soon!
:( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Don't do it, you'll regret it ;) ;)
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The big Dilema is 'would I use it more if it was gassed?' I'm not overly fussed about getting the outlay back quickly as the money spent on this vehicle to date probably outweighs the purchase price!
The issue really is having the money to start with when I have plenty of other things to spend it on!
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The big Dilema is 'would I use it more if it was gassed?' I'm not overly fussed about getting the outlay back quickly as the money spent on this vehicle to date probably outweighs the purchase price!
The issue really is having the money to start with when I have plenty of other things to spend it on!
Thats my boat too....but that issue will be overcome in a couple of months, then I think its Gas time :y
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Checked the trims today. -2 and +3 long term. Forget which side was which but I guess that's that sorted....?
It was idling on the drive for some time and tick over was rock solid. Switched back and forth trying to upset it, no problem.
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Checked the trims today. -2 and +3 long term. Forget which side was which but I guess that's that sorted....?
It was idling on the drive for some time and tick over was rock solid. Switched back and forth trying to upset it, no problem.
OK... So -2,+3 isn't perfect but it's good enough :y :y
So... Calibration and mapping this weekend? :-?
Oh... And the Rad arrived today ::)
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Checked the trims today. -2 and +3 long term. Forget which side was which but I guess that's that sorted....?
It was idling on the drive for some time and tick over was rock solid. Switched back and forth trying to upset it, no problem.
Sounds like thats sorted :y
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Checked the trims today. -2 and +3 long term. Forget which side was which but I guess that's that sorted....?
It was idling on the drive for some time and tick over was rock solid. Switched back and forth trying to upset it, no problem.
OK... So -2,+3 isn't perfect but it's good enough :y :y
So... Calibration and mapping this weekend? :-?
Oh... And the Rad arrived today ::)
Its as bloody perfect as you will ever get with a cheap LPG kit ;)
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Checked the trims today. -2 and +3 long term. Forget which side was which but I guess that's that sorted....?
It was idling on the drive for some time and tick over was rock solid. Switched back and forth trying to upset it, no problem.
OK... So -2,+3 isn't perfect but it's good enough :y :y
So... Calibration and mapping this weekend? :-?
Oh... And the Rad arrived today ::)
Its as bloody perfect as you will ever get with a cheap LPG kit ;)
Indeed :y :y
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Checked the trims today. -2 and +3 long term. Forget which side was which but I guess that's that sorted....?
It was idling on the drive for some time and tick over was rock solid. Switched back and forth trying to upset it, no problem.
OK... So -2,+3 isn't perfect but it's good enough :y :y
So... Calibration and mapping this weekend? :-?
Oh... And the Rad arrived today ::)
Should add It was calibrated, but not mapped.
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This is the map as I found it.
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/a494ad49.jpg)
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This is the map as I found it.
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/a494ad49.jpg)
Not too bad considering it's a standard map (the multipliers are in the wrong place to be the one I did last ;)) but needs some work ;)
Take it a little steady at the top end until the weekend... We'll get it spot on :y :y
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This is the map as I found it.
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/a494ad49.jpg)
Not too bad considering it's a standard map (the multipliers are in the wrong place to be the one I did last ;)) but needs some work ;)
Take it a little steady at the top end until the weekend... We'll get it spot on :y :y
Aaeye, have been... ....no really I have. ;D
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Not too bad considering it's a standard map (the multipliers are in the wrong place to be the one I did last ;)) but needs some work ;)
Take it a little steady at the top end until the weekend... We'll get it spot on :y :y
Aaeye, have been... ....no really I have. ;D
PMSL. New keyboard required. ::)
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This is the map as I found it.
Not too bad considering it's a standard map (the multipliers are in the wrong place to be the one I did last ;)) but needs some work ;)
Take it a little steady at the top end until the weekend... We'll get it spot on :y :y
I suspect his revs sit at a very steady 6750rpm...
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This is the map as I found it.
Not too bad considering it's a standard map (the multipliers are in the wrong place to be the one I did last ;)) but needs some work ;)
Take it a little steady at the top end until the weekend... We'll get it spot on :y :y
I suspect his revs sit at a very steady 6750rpm...
His engine, not mine ;D ;D
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This is the map as I found it.
Not too bad considering it's a standard map (the multipliers are in the wrong place to be the one I did last ;)) but needs some work ;)
Take it a little steady at the top end until the weekend... We'll get it spot on :y :y
I suspect his revs sit at a very steady 6750rpm...
His engine, not mine ;D ;D
Now thats just wrong... The correct fraze is "it's not MY rather engine.. " ;D
Been careful, honest. :-/
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This is the map as I found it.
Not too bad considering it's a standard map (the multipliers are in the wrong place to be the one I did last ;)) but needs some work ;)
Take it a little steady at the top end until the weekend... We'll get it spot on :y :y
I suspect his revs sit at a very steady 6750rpm...
His engine, not mine ;D ;D
Now thats just wrong... The correct fraze is "it's not MY rather engine.. " ;D
Been careful, honest. :-/
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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This is the map as I found it.
Not too bad considering it's a standard map (the multipliers are in the wrong place to be the one I did last ;)) but needs some work ;)
Take it a little steady at the top end until the weekend... We'll get it spot on :y :y
I suspect his revs sit at a very steady 6750rpm...
His engine, not mine ;D ;D
Now thats just wrong... The correct fraze is "it's not MY rather engine.. " ;D
Been careful, honest. :-/
Is you gayPad set to Yankeeland. Phase, dear boy, phase....
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This is the map as I found it.
Not too bad considering it's a standard map (the multipliers are in the wrong place to be the one I did last ;)) but needs some work ;)
Take it a little steady at the top end until the weekend... We'll get it spot on :y :y
I suspect his revs sit at a very steady 6750rpm...
His engine, not mine ;D ;D
Now thats just wrong... The correct fraze is "it's not MY rather engine.. " ;D
Been careful, honest. :-/
Is you gayPad set to Yankeeland. Phase, dear boy, phase....
You want Chris to turn from a solid to a gas?
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This is the map as I found it.
Not too bad considering it's a standard map (the multipliers are in the wrong place to be the one I did last ;)) but needs some work ;)
Take it a little steady at the top end until the weekend... We'll get it spot on :y :y
I suspect his revs sit at a very steady 6750rpm...
His engine, not mine ;D ;D
Now thats just wrong... The correct fraze is "it's not MY rather engine.. " ;D
Been careful, honest. :-/
Is you gayPad set to Yankeeland. Phase, dear boy, phase....
You want Chris to turn from a solid to a gas?
My laptop is HP. Its Yankee. It is phased by words like phrase.
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This is the map as I found it.
Not too bad considering it's a standard map (the multipliers are in the wrong place to be the one I did last ;)) but needs some work ;)
Take it a little steady at the top end until the weekend... We'll get it spot on :y :y
I suspect his revs sit at a very steady 6750rpm...
His engine, not mine ;D ;D
Now thats just wrong... The correct fraze is "it's not MY rather engine.. " ;D
Been careful, honest. :-/
Is you^ gayPad set to Yankeeland. Ph^ase, dear boy, ph^ase....
You want Chris to turn from a solid to a gas?
My laptop is HP. Its Yankee. It is phased by words like phrase.
Bloody pedant. Has your Yankee lappy got a sticky r?
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This is the map as I found it.
Not too bad considering it's a standard map (the multipliers are in the wrong place to be the one I did last ;)) but needs some work ;)
Take it a little steady at the top end until the weekend... We'll get it spot on :y :y
I suspect his revs sit at a very steady 6750rpm...
His engine, not mine ;D ;D
Now thats just wrong... The correct fraze is "it's not MY rather engine.. " ;D
Been careful, honest. :-/
Is you^ gayPad set to Yankeeland. Ph^ase, dear boy, ph^ase....
You want Chris to turn from a solid to a gas?
My laptop is HP. Its Yankee. It is phased by words like phrase.
Bloody pedant. Has your Yankee lappy got a sticky r?
In fairness to the soon-to-be-rare HP laptop, I was laying in the bath at the time ::)
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So yes then! ;D
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So yes then! ;D
That's definitely a mental image I didn't need.. Where's the hurling smiley when you need it? ;D
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Fuel trims showed +5 and + 11 mid week. Now showing +1 and +5 as of tonight.
Worth going to 2.1mill jet size? Guessing not?
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Fuel trims showed +5 and + 11 mid week. Now showing +1 and +5 as of tonight.
Worth going to 2.1mill jet size? Guessing not?
Leave well alone, IMHO. 5% fuel trim is perfectly acceptable and no reason to go larger unless it's going lean on full throttle. :y