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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: hotel21 on 30 August 2006, 22:42:52
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I remember reading a post recently where someone played with both buttons on the computer control stalk and some random numbers came up on the display. Bu**ered if I can find it again.....
Was waiting to uplift someone this evening and, well, bored fingers sometimes play. :o
When I pressed and held both buttons of the computer stalk simultaneously on mine, the following number sequences came up on the mid.
Top left - 046
Top Right - 3
Bottom Right - 24555
I'm guessing at some calibration value for fuel computer, but thats it - a guess.
Anyone clever shed some light on this?
****** edit to show original post now found - tech2 question? - DOH!! ******
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Top left - Code Index (sort of config)
Top right - SW Version, V4 is latest for any MIDs I've played with lately
Not sure about the other figure... ...I'll try to check MV6 tonight (got project TB1 here today) where I have modifed consumption callibration to see if different figure.
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Mine's
063 1
24060
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i'll do mine later and see what it says...
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OK, so I can draw up a little table, can you also just confirm the car you are doing it on, including:
Year
Engine
Auto/Manual
MID type (Old/New/GID) (older have radio display above computer function)
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I'll kick off with Project TB1
018 4 24555
1998 v6 2.5 auto OLD
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063 1 24060
2000 2.2 Non-manual New(comp/radio/time)
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046 3 24555
1998
3.0 V6
man
new (I think. She has the car at work today, so cant check. Amazing how often you look at something, but dont actually see it!!)
tyre size 235/45 17
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046 3 24555
1998
3.0 V6
man
new (I think. She has the car at work today, so cant check. Amazing how often you look at something, but dont actually see it!!)
Thats blown a theory I had....
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I've got 4 lots of figures! :-? 99 V6 Elite auto
052 3
045 24060
(http://snap28.photobox.co.uk/37023835f7badae4f54a50126797bf4d1ff267f542918f43f55855d7.jpg)
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OK, I think I know now.
Basically, the 5 digit number is to do with the pulse settings...
Gonna try and get a table together...
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sorry, pulse is related to tyre size, should have made that clearer...
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I've done an edit to my info to show tyre size - 235/45 17 - since the rolling diameter etc may have an influence on odo/range etc?
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Right here goes.
036 3
50 24060
1999 2.5 V6 Auto New
Tyres 225 55 R16.
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RossPhim, do you have a GID or a MID?
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Its a chinese take away order ;D
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Its a chinese take away order ;D
Good one ;D
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RossPhim, do you have a GID or a MID?
Mine is the same as Andy B's picture above.
Forgive me, I am an idiot, and have no idea what the differeence is.
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TID – Trip Information Display, very basic one that is common in Veccies and some GLS models. This is a trip comp only and does not show other info.
MID - Multi Information Display, the most common one, displaying text through a series of dots.
GID - Graphic Information Display, can display both Text and Graphics, a bit like a modern mobile phone's display in that sense. When used with original SatNav, shows direction arrows etc.
CID - Colour Information Display, apart from having colour it is basically a small computer screed that can show actual map
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CID is the Holly Grail, and Mark DTM has been looking for a second-hand one for quite some time now...
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TID – Trip Information Display, very basic one that is common in Veccies and some GLS models. This is a trip comp only and does not show other info.
MID - Multi Information Display, the most common one, displaying text through a series of dots.
GID - Graphic Information Display, can display both Text and Graphics, a bit like a modern mobile phone's display in that sense. When used with original SatNav, shows direction arrows etc.
CID - Colour Information Display, apart from having colour it is basically a small computer screed that can show actual map
TID and GID are also half height. MID and CID are full size
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RossPhim, do you have a GID or a MID?
Mine is the same as Andy B's picture above.
Forgive me, I am an idiot, and have no idea what the differeence is.
GID, thats why you are getting an extra number...
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OK mine's
020 03
24846
I'm pretty sure the last line's correct, bit hard to tell with missing pixels!
225x55x16
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084 1
24060
2.6 CDX 2001 225/55 16
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Mine is reading
032 3
24555
W - 2000 facelift omega elite 2.5 V6 Auto.
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I have the Siemens 2013 with color display.
Am i able to display this info? I don't have buttons on my stalks, apart from cruise, the stereo/nav/computer is all controlled from the steering wheel buttons. ::)
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I have the Siemens 2013 with color display.
And where do you park your car overnight, and do you forget to arm the alarm ;D
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I have the Siemens 2013 with color display.
And where do you park your car overnight, and do you forget to arm the alarm ;D
LOL. I think it'll be safe anyway, Mark is out the country.
I never ever forget to set the alarm. Either of them, that's the standard factory fit or the Clifford G5. ;)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/xthreezero/omegaproject/DSC00091sm.jpg)
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I think you should post some piccies showing the CID in all its glory. That will piss Mark off! (and me, and no doubt countless others...)
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I think you should post some piccies showing the CID in all its glory. That will piss Mark off! (and me, and no doubt countless others...)
I can take some pics and do that no problem, i would however require Admin privileges for adding the images to my gallery post. ;)
Did you manage to get to talk to the other Admins about that issue?
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The Admins have decided for various reasons that we do not allow posts to be changed after 24hrs, unless done by a moderator/admin.
Any of the admins will happily modify your Gallery post (or you can cut and paste into new post, and ask us to delete old one ;))
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The Admins have decided for various reasons that we do not allow posts to be changed after 24hrs, unless done by a moderator/admin.
Any of the admins will happily modify your Gallery post (or you can cut and paste into new post, and ask us to delete old one ;))
Well, i'm definately gonna take some pics then, just to annoy Mark. ;D ;D
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;D
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Mine reads
032
3
24555
2000 2.5 Elite, MID display....
I found it a long time ago and wondered what it was all about
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It means your MID is configured for X25XE engine, Auto, 195 or 205 tyres, Xenon headlights...
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It means your MID is configured for X25XE engine, Auto, 195 or 205 tyres, Xenon headlights...
Engine - yep
gearbox- yep
Tyres - no, i have 235's
Xenons - yep
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Oh dear, your code index should be 036 :(
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2000 Facelift 2.2 Manual:
061 1
24060
MID - NEW
Tyres: 225 / 50 / R16
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2000 Facelift 2.2 Manual:
061 1
24060
MID - NEW
Tyres: 225 / 50 / R16
My 2.6 CDX is the same (my tyres are 225/55 x 16 - are you sure yours are 50?), except for the '061' - mine says '084' :o
And I have Xenon lights
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TIS MID info sort of runs out around 1999, so can't comment on the code indexes on facelifts. Tunnie's doesn't have HIDs, so whats why yours will be different code
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2000 Facelift 2.2 Manual:
061 1
24060
MID - NEW
Tyres: 225 / 50 / R16
My 2.6 CDX is the same (my tyres are 225/55 x 16 - are you sure yours are 50?), except for the '061' - mine says '084' :o
And I have Xenon lights
Yep deffo running 225 / 50 / 16's
The 061, must be a spec level or engine?? - Cause mine is a 2.2 and markjay's is a 2.6??
Take it i have the right codes?
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The code index is a car 'spec' including engine, gearbox, tyre size, xenon etc
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its the code i programmed into your elite to cure autobox error (only i put a 2.5 code in, not a 3.0)
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Hello, I have a 1996 Vauxhall Omega Elite with 235 45 17 (facelift) mv6 wheels which I fitted and my MID display code is ;
020 04
24846
Should I get it reprogramed or is it OK
(http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/275000-275999/275300_101_full.jpg)
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Hello, I have a 1996 Vauxhall Omega Elite with 235 45 17 (facelift) mv6 wheels which I fitted and my MID display code is ;
020 04
24846
Should I get it reprogramed or is it OK
(http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/275000-275999/275300_101_full.jpg)
Is DLT still on Radio 1? ;)
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Is DLT still on Radio 1? ;)
I wish he was!! ;D
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Steve Wright in the Afternoon is the show for me, it's on every weekday and it starts at 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Hello, I have a 1996 Vauxhall Omega Elite with 235 45 17 (facelift) mv6 wheels which I fitted and my MID display code is ;
020 04
24846
Should I get it reprogramed or is it OK
(http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/275000-275999/275300_101_full.jpg)
Auto or Manual g/box?
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Steve Wright in the Afternoon is the show for me, it's on every weekday and it starts at 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Thread Jack! Steve Wright's "Ask Elvis" has me in tears! It's sooo funny. ;D
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Hello, I have a 1996 Vauxhall Omega Elite with 235 45 17 (facelift) mv6 wheels which I fitted and my MID display code is ;
020 04
24846
Should I get it reprogramed or is it OK
(http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/275000-275999/275300_101_full.jpg)
Auto or Manual g/box?
It's an Auto Jaime.
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98 3.0 MV6 prefacelift with MID
048 2
24555
205/65/R15
is it all correct??
Jamie, can you program the gearbox ECU and do your have Version 4???
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Hello, I have a 1996 Vauxhall Omega Elite with 235 45 17 (facelift) mv6 wheels which I fitted and my MID display code is ;
020 04
24846
Should I get it reprogramed or is it OK
For a 1996 MID (and 1996 software), 020 is for 3.0l auto
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Hello, I have a 1996 Vauxhall Omega Elite with 235 45 17 (facelift) mv6 wheels which I fitted and my MID display code is ;
020 04
24846
Should I get it reprogramed or is it OK
(http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/275000-275999/275300_101_full.jpg)
Auto or Manual g/box?
It's an Auto Jaime.
Cheers Kev 8-)
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Hello, I have a 1996 Vauxhall Omega Elite with 235 45 17 (facelift) mv6 wheels which I fitted and my MID display code is ;
020 04
24846
Should I get it reprogramed or is it OK
For a 1996 MID (and 1996 software), 020 is for 3.0l auto
What does the :04
and the :24846
mean
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the 3 digit number is the config, the 2 digit number is the software version, and the 5 digit number is the pulses per km (ie, tyre size config, which is part of the 3 digit config anyway)
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the 3 digit number is the config, the 2 digit number is the software version, and the 5 digit number is the pulses per km (ie, tyre size config, which is part of the 3 digit config anyway)
So if 020 is a 3.0 auto, what is 048?
Am I not driving a 3.0 auto :o
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I know 048 off top of my head, as its same as my MV6. 3.0l auto, 225/55 or 235/45 tyres, xenons, aux heater...
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I know 048 off top of my head, as its same as my MV6. 3.0l auto, 225/55 or 235/45 tyres, xenons, aux heater...
Is there a problem running a 205/65 profile tyre with that setting?
Also I've got projector headlights with manual beam height adjustment
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I take it that MID wasn't the original then ;)
The tyre size is a problem, the HIDs won't be (assuming you're not getting errors)
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I take it that MID wasn't the original then ;)
The tyre size is a problem, the HIDs won't be (assuming you're not getting errors)
So how are you getting on with the spreadsheet?
Then we can have a "lets get Jamie to re-program our MID's party" :) :)
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The info exists in TIS up to around 98 MY, although its unclear if the newer style MID and older style MID codes are interchangeable if someone has wrong type in their car...
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2001 2.5v6 CDX estate
034 3
24060
What do they stand for?
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052 2
24060
1998
3.0
Auto
MID (new)
225x55xR16
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Hi everyone.
Thought I'd add my tuppence-worth!
Year 2000 (facelift) Vreg 2.5TD saloon
Automatic
Trye size: 225/55/R16
Code number:
043 3
24060
But what do they mean!
I'd like to be able to find out which gearbox is fitted, the R25 or R35 model (I think that's the numbers of them?)
Does anyone out there know??
:)
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052 2
24060
1998
3.0
Auto
MID (new)
225x55xR16
A 2 :o
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A 2 :o
Yes it's 2, just checked - could this be responsible for the 24.6m/g being reported.
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A 2 :o
Yes it's 2, just checked - could this be responsible for the 24.6m/g being reported.
Could your MID Robin Hood have been swapped from a 2.0 at some point.
Shall have to post up the results of my MID what I can read of it lol ;D most pixels on the right are knackered.
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A 2 :o
Yes it's 2, just checked - could this be responsible for the 24.6m/g being reported.
No, thats correct for your car, assuming you have HIDS....
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Just installed a working MID in mine
022 01
24846
Mine is 3l auto with 225 55 16"
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No, thats correct for your car, assuming you have HIDS....
Yes, so the MID could be right with the mpg.... still I only do 6,000 a year and in complete comfort. :)
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Just installed a working MID in mine
022 01
24846
Mine is 3l auto with 225 55 16"
If its an older MID, then its for 2.0l Auto
If its a newer MID, then 2.0 Diesel....
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Just installed a working MID in mine
022 01
24846
Mine is 3l auto with 225 55 16"
If its an older MID, then its for 2.0l Auto
If its a newer MID, then 2.0 Diesel....
Its the older two plug mid, the supplier said it was from a 2l
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Its the older two plug mid, the supplier said it was from a 2l
That fits the theory..... ....is the 'Range' function lying badly?
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Yep the range does seem to be optimistic, only wish it were true ;)
the average mpg is exceedingly good as well, all part of the same thing I assume.
So next question, anybody in the northwest tech2 enabled?? :-? or am going to have to go to the stealer?? :(
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Ring dealer, ask how much...
Visit dealer, walk in workshop bit, and see if you can bribe a mechanic, saying you need your MID configured with Code Index x (I can supply the index number) - need year, mid type (radio display above FC or below), transmission, possibly tyres size, HID etc
Or if dealer really expensive, find out how much postage is, as I can program (while I've still got Proj TB1) for a few quid - I suspect the postage each way plus my cost (alas, I have to charge to recoup some of Tech2 costs :() may make it a bit expensive :(
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Ring dealer, ask how much...
Visit dealer, walk in workshop bit, and see if you can bribe a mechanic, saying you need your MID configured with Code Index x (I can supply the index number) - need year, mid type (radio display above FC or below), transmission, possibly tyres size, HID etc
Or if dealer really expensive, find out how much postage is, as I can program (while I've still got Proj TB1) for a few quid - I suspect the postage each way plus my cost (alas, I have to charge to recoup some of Tech2 costs :() may make it a bit expensive :(
Can you give me code, its the 2 plug MID part no 90379234 with the radio bit at the top fc etc below. Car is a 3 litre auto with 16" wheels fitted with 225 55 tyres. Just has the normal ribbed type headlights fitted. Car was registered early 1997 so may have been built in 96.
Cheers in advance.
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020 for older 3.0l auto
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Thanks for that 'TheBoy' I'll try and get a mechanic when I go to the dealers tomorrow.
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Been to the dealer today for some bits and asked about programming the MID. Price is £35 inc vat. Could be worse I suppose, they wern't to sure it could be fully programmed correctly? is there more to it than putting the correct code in? I would have thought the MID was a common part having the same part number no matter what model it was orginally fitted to, so I would hope it can be programmed to any car configuration. Maybe the dealer is trying to edge his bets :-?
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He's sort of right, probably without realising. I bet he knows sod all about MIDs, and there configs.
However, the earlier MIDs (radio display on top line) have less capabilities than the later ones (radio display further down) - changeover period appears to be around 1997. As far as I can work out, it is not possible to get the older ones working with some of features of newer cars, eg HIDs...
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He's sort of right, probably without realising. I bet he knows sod all about MIDs, and there configs.
However, the earlier MIDs (radio display on top line) have less capabilities than the later ones (radio display further down) - changeover period appears to be around 1997. As far as I can work out, it is not possible to get the older ones working with some of features of newer cars, eg HIDs...
Ok, I think I will give them ago. I assume that most of the basic inputs will be the same, brakelights, oil level, brake pad warning, washer level etc as all this would be same across the range. I would think the more complex inputs for fuel consumption which will be looking for information from the engine ecu are the ones that changing the programming would affect, maybe gearbox as well.(the replacement MID is from an auto so would expect this to be ok)
As the donor MID was from the same year of car just a different engine size(both autos) i am hoping reprogramming will fix it up ok.
i will post the new codes after reprogramming.
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I reckon it should have code index 020 on it... ...so be interesting to see what they put on it...
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Been and had the MID programed at the dealers today, made it worse than it was so got them to put it back.
They put in 008 09
24846
range with 10 litres showing on the fuel gauge 396 miles ???
They said the mid would only accept this code and the original but I wasn't convinced they knew wat they were talking about. >:(
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Been and had the MID programed at the dealers today, made it worse than it was so got them to put it back.
They put in 008 09
24846
range with 10 litres showing on the fuel gauge 396 miles ???
They said the mid would only accept this code and the original but I wasn't convinced they knew wat they were talking about. >:(
Did you manage to get a refund only by rights they messed it up for you.
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Sounds like mechanic is incompetent...
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Had the head of the service department trying to program it as well, still no joy, seems they have a very limited knowledge of what they are dealing with. They couldn't even find my model and year of car in their book.
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What book? They should be using TIS ffs. Clear as anything in there for your car.
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They had an A5 size spiral bound book with code listings against different models etc.
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I think that book predates TIS, the one I saw did anyway... ;D
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So what does the MID say now?
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They had to put it back to the code it had before they said it wouldn't accept any other code? Don't think they know what they're doing.
so its back to 022 01
24846
Which they said was for a 99 2l diesel with 225 55 R16 tyres.
MID part no 90 379 234
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They had to put it back to the code it had before they said it wouldn't accept any other code? Don't think they know what they're doing.
so its back to 022 01
24846
Which they said was for a 99 2l diesel with 225 55 R16 tyres.
MID part no 90 379 234
LOL, the idiots are looking at newer MIDs - iirc, yours is older one. Hence they need to look at the 96/97 table, not 98 onwards....
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They had to put it back to the code it had before they said it wouldn't accept any other code? Don't think they know what they're doing.
so its back to 022 01
24846
Which they said was for a 99 2l diesel with 225 55 R16 tyres.
MID part no 90 379 234
LOL, the idiots are looking at newer MIDs - iirc, yours is older one. Hence they need to look at the 96/97 table, not 98 onwards....
They do not inspire cofidence, their approach seems to be if in doubt put a new one in . The wifes car has been in twice this week and still ain't fixed, waiting for another part!
The thing is if it were a new MID they would still have to program it, so I assume they would still have the same problem and I would be down best part of 400 notes. good job I got a second hand one!
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Shame you're so far away from me :(
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Shame you're so far away from me :(
A bit far really :(
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Find out how much it would cost to post...
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Find out how much it would cost to post...
I'll look into it, but won't you need a car to program it?
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I'd need to confirm which type you have to ensure it will fit on one of my Omegas to program...
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type with two plugs on the back, one yellow one black. Can take a picture of the old one if it will help.
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Same as Proj TB1 that is still sat on drive waiting for logbook >:(
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Replied to PM, but may be worth contacting Marks_DTM first, as he has said its possible to swap the config chips over from your old to new one (doubt its socketed, so will probably need soldering, not sure if SMD either)
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Think it would require soldering. I've got the old one in bits so I will check it out.
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MID received (neighbour took in yesterday when I was at Bo Bo's cambelt do)
Reprogrammed to 3.0l Auto...
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/IamTheBoy/MID%20-%20Salty/IMG_1577.jpg)
Did a pixel test, looks like a good MID...
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/IamTheBoy/MID%20-%20Salty/IMG_1571.jpg)
And it now shows a proper range (was showing 411 miles before programming)...
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/IamTheBoy/MID%20-%20Salty/IMG_1572.jpg)
Apologies for focus issue with piccies - it was getting dark...
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Also removed a couple of DTC stored in MID as well...
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Thanks that looks just the ticket [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Just goes to prove what bunch of muppets the dealers are.