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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Markjay on 08 December 2006, 12:08:57
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Does anyone know if you can get this in the UK, and where...?
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You could try one of these contact numbers
http://www.exxonmobil.co.uk/UK-English/Suppinfo/UK_Contacts.asp
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Could you not do a google search or ebay search never know ;)
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Could you not do a google search or ebay search never know ;)
Did, nothing found :(
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That is tempting - usefull when hill climbing and forced out of lockup
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You could try one of these contact numbers
http://www.exxonmobil.co.uk/UK-English/Suppinfo/UK_Contacts.asp
Thanks for the link - I sent them a query.
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That is tempting - usefull when hill climbing and forced out of lockup
On the US webiste they say it's good for 120k miles... I doubt it, but hopefully it will last longer than GM's stuff I won't have to change is after just 40k as I am about to do now - the autobox does not shift as smoothly as it did. :(
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See what you mean its abit of a bugger to find although amazon.com do it for $6.99
here is the link, they may ship to the uk
http://www.amazon.com/Mobil-Synthetic-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid/dp/B0002XI9NA/sr=11-1/qid=1165584180/ref=sr_11_1/002-4867541-3972054
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See what you mean its abit of a bugger to find although amazon.com do it for $6.99
here is the link, they may ship to the uk
http://www.amazon.com/Mobil-Synthetic-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid/dp/B0002XI9NA/sr=11-1/qid=1165584180/ref=sr_11_1/002-4867541-3972054
Interesting... the US cost is cheaper than the UK cost for standard ATF, they cost around £12 per Litre retail, and £7 Vx Trade - Amazon US price is around £8 per litre (assuming this is a 1/2 Litre bottle)...
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See what you mean its abit of a bugger to find although amazon.com do it for $6.99
here is the link, they may ship to the uk
http://www.amazon.com/Mobil-Synthetic-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid/dp/B0002XI9NA/sr=11-1/qid=1165584180/ref=sr_11_1/002-4867541-3972054
Interesting... the US cost is cheaper than the UK cost for standard ATF, they cost around £12 per Litre retail, and £7 Vx Trade - Amazon US price is around £8 per litre (assuming this is a 1/2 Litre bottle)...
Dont know why but I think its a litre bottle as shell use the same design for there litre bottles.
Could be wrong I guess you could perhaps contact amazon to confirm. :-/
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See what you mean its abit of a bugger to find although amazon.com do it for $6.99
here is the link, they may ship to the uk
http://www.amazon.com/Mobil-Synthetic-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid/dp/B0002XI9NA/sr=11-1/qid=1165584180/ref=sr_11_1/002-4867541-3972054
Interesting... the US cost is cheaper than the UK cost for standard ATF, they cost around £12 per Litre retail, and £7 Vx Trade - Amazon US price is around £8 per litre (assuming this is a 1/2 Litre bottle)...
Dont know why but I think its a litre bottle as shell use the same design for there litre bottles.
Could be wrong I guess you could perhaps contact amazon to confirm. :-/
They say shipping weight is 1.50 Pounds - iirc this is around 700gr - so makes sense it's 1/2L ATF + packaging....
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Get in touch with the guys here:
www.opieoils.co.uk
Very good and can offer advice, might even be able to get the Mobil stuff you are after....
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If thats the case then would you say it would work out cheaper than vx or more.
What with all the delivery costs and how much you would need.
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Get in touch with the guys here:
www.opieoils.co.uk
Very good and can offer advice, might even be able to get the Mobil stuff you are after....
At least this site is uk based the ones I found were russian? and a merican
Gotta be worth a go
Good Luck :y
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Get in touch with the guys here:
www.opieoils.co.uk
Very good and can offer advice, might even be able to get the Mobil stuff you are after....
At least this site is uk based the ones I found were russian? and a merican
Gotta be worth a go
Good Luck :y
Sent them an email... thanks again!
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They might recommend one of the high spec Fuchs oil.....
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They might recommend one of the high spec Fuchs oil.....
I understand that Fuchs is what manufacturers in Germany use for factory oil... should be real good stuff then.
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Get in touch with the guys here:
www.opieoils.co.uk
Very good and can offer advice, might even be able to get the Mobil stuff you are after....
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'Thanks for the mail.
We do not stock the Mobil ATF I am afraid.
Our alternatives are from Motul, Amsoil and Fuchs.
Regards
Guy.
Opie Oils'
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:( :( :(
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They might recommend one of the high spec Fuchs oil.....
You were right... will ask them for details. Thanks.
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It might be worth while asking if they mix with Dexron III since it's impossible to get all of it out.
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It might be worth while asking if they mix with Dexron III since it's impossible to get all of it out.
I asked before - apparently all synthetic ATFs mix with mineral ones. But - I read somewhere that the total capacity of the ATF is actually 9L, and that the specified drain capacity of 4.4L is because the rest remains in the torque coverter - - can anyone confirm this?
If this is correct then it may be pointless to use ATF at all, would seem to make more sense to use standard ATF and then change it a couple more times to flush-out the old one based on the idea that it is better to have 100% new standard ATf then 50% synthetic and 50% old ATF....
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If this is correct then it may be pointless to use ATF at all,
I would some ATF MJ, gearbox might not like it otherwise ;D
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If this is correct then it may be pointless to use ATF at all,
I would some ATF MJ, gearbox might not like it otherwise ;D
I meant synthetic ATF... >:(
Nitpicking! ;D
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AMSOIL's website describes a method of replacing the ATF in the torque converter, basically what they say is disconnect the lines to the transmission oil cooler, start the engine, and have an assistant fill-up the transmission with fresh ATF through the sump filler hole while you are watching the ATF coming out of the pipe. When the ATF coming out is clear (a bit like brake flood replacing...), or when the known full transmission ATF capacity has been added to the sump, stop and re-connect the oil cooler pipes. This is doen AFTER replacing the ATF in the sump in the usual way. Anyone ever done this before?
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OK, here's what it will cost to get the job done properly:
Autobox gasket set - £13 (Vx Trade)
Filter - £60 (Vx Trade)
either
10 x 1L Vx Dexron-III ATF @ £7 each = £70 (Vx Trade)
or
11 x .9L AMSOIL Synthetic ATF @ £12 each = £132 (Opie Oils)
Total: £143 for Vx ATF, or £205 for AMSOIL
Blyme....
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What about the Fuchs Titan ATF 4000 (24 quid a gallon).
Use a loctite flange sealent instead of a gasket (less likely to leak and cheaper)
I clean the filters in parrafin (they are a foam gause so it works quite well)
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Thanks, see my comments below:
What about the Fuchs Titan ATF 4000 (24 quid a gallon).
- Sounds good, that's around £60 for 10L - haven’t heard back from Opie Oils regarding alternatives to the Mobil I initially asked about
Use a loctite flange sealent instead of a gasket (less likely to leak and cheaper)
- as I already bought the gaskets the expense has been made whether I end up using them or not... :(
I clean the filters in parrafin (they are a foam gause so it works quite well)
- will do.. I was concerned it might be felt, bit if foam should be OK!
What about the issue with emptying the torque converter by disconnecting the oil cooler pipes – any advice on that?
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Its a method that I have thought about, but never tried.....there is a line that can be got at on the drivers side chassis rail under the bonnet..
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Its a method that I have thought about, but never tried.....there is a line that can be got at on the drivers side chassis rail under the bonnet..
Well if I go for synthetic ATF, then I'll also have a go at emptying the torque converter and oil cooler as it makes sense to have the entire 10L changed (or as much of it as possible). If I go for standard Vx ATF I may not bother - and just let the old fluid mix with the new. Let's see what Opie Oils have to ofer....
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I'm sure I've seen one of these pipes under the car with a rubber bit of hose near or in front of the gearbox. Presumably the pipe from the back of the box is the outlet from the pump. If the rubber bit is disconnected from the back bit of metal output tube and popped into a bottle of fluid and the breather hose is blocked up temporarily will it suck fresh oil in, take it through the oil cooler, torque converter and back into the gear box that way as it pumps the old out? I don't think I'll try it since I'm sure the seals aren't designed to withstand a partial vacuum in the box...
Thinking about it isn't it going to be pumped through the cooler and then the torque converter under pressure, it's got to be under pressure to go into the torque converter otherwise it's not going to fill it - does that sound right?
That also means that it's not going to change any oil in it with the cooler pipe disconnected though - I think.
I had a carbon vane liquids pump at one time and I bet I could have used that to pump fresh oil through the cooler and into the torque converter. Do those power drill pumps manage to generate any pressure to do this?
The last idea (I promise) is to extend the oil pick up, whilst the sumps and filter are off, into a bottle of fresh oil but that's assuming there is some sort of pick up tube.
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This is what AMSOIL are suggesting following the usual sump removal and ATF top-up (note: this is generic advice and not Omega-specific):
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Haynes quote 8L total ATF capacity, or 4.4L for drain-and-flush - but they do not say if the 4.4L is big sump only or both sumps.
This is important because if it is both sumps, then this means that around 3.6L of old ATF are left in the system, which is not good. If the 4.4L is for the big sump only, then assuming the small sump will have a further say 2L, then this leaves a much smaller amount in the system - perhaps to a point where it's not worth worrying about emptying the torque converter.
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That implies that the oil is pumped through the torque converter before going to the oil cooler which would make sense - think - since the torque converter would heat it up more than anything else. So I'd guess that the front gearbox oil pipe is the outlet to the cooler.
What a pity there isn't a drain screw on the edge of the torque converter. It would be easy to remove the cover on the bottom of the bell housing and remove a screw to drain it. Looking at pictures of the torque converter it's going to have close to 4 litres of oil in it from the size of the thing I'd suspect - thinking of a 2litre milk bottle.
The trouble is there is so much room in there that the fresh oil will mix with the old, there's three fan blades in there to stir it up, so you are never going to get all of the old out but it will change more than just doing the sumps.
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* Update *
See:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1165956752
So I no longr have a problem with the autobox... I was hoping to solve the rough shiting problem with an ATF change, but this is no needed anymore...
My option now are:
a. Leave it - Vx specify 60k (Hayned specify 70k) for autobox ATF change, and only for cars working hard - on normal cars the ATf should be good 'for life'. So now that I don't have a problem with the autobox anymore I can just wait till the car gets to 60k-70k rather than doing it now at 50k.
b. Do just a 'quick' ATF change - drop the two sumps and re-fill with Vx standard ATF. It will mix with the ATF left in the torque converter and will 'revive' it a bit.
c. Continue with the original plan anyway, get 8L of Synthetic ATF, and change the fluid in the sumps and in the torque converter.
Decisions....
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Continue with the original plan anyway, get 8L of Synthetic ATF, and change the fluid in the sumps and in the torque converter.
Not that I have an auto but I thought the torque convertor couldn't be drained of the old fluid or is there a knack to it.
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Continue with the original plan anyway, get 8L of Synthetic ATF, and change the fluid in the sumps and in the torque converter.
Not that I have an auto but I thought the torque convertor couldn't be drained of the old fluid or is there a knack to it.
...read post #30 above....
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Not that I have an auto but I thought the torque convertor couldn't be drained of the old fluid or is there a knack to it.
That's what some of us, well me a least, is waiting for Mark to find out for us :)