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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Auto Addict on 12 February 2007, 17:05:43
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Air Bag light has just come on again >:(
Can't look tonight - laptop battery is flat >:(
Well, I suppose the bright side is it's lasted about 2/3 weeks since the last time :)
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just remove the bulb ;)
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just remove the bulb ;)
It's a thought but, when the weather gets better, I will investigate more thoroughly
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Was it a 71 again last time?
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Was it a 71 again last time?
Yes..
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TIS says if you get a 71, that module needs to be replaced. Again.
If that is the case, there has to be a reason for it - water imgress?
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If it was a genuine Vx part then take the car in and get it changed......the parts warrant covers the fitting cost to.....
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If it was a genuine Vx part then take the car in and get it changed......the parts warrant covers the fitting cost to.....
Even though I fitted it myself??
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If it was a genuine Vx part then take the car in and get it changed......the parts warrant covers the fitting cost to.....
Even though I fitted it myself??
I would have thought so AA....look at it this way....say you buy a vx go battery with, is it 3yr warranty?
You take it home and fit it yourself....2 years down the line its knackered.....so you take it back....i dont think vx would say....sorry but you fitted it yourself....so no warranty!
However having said that...they would probably test the battery to check its knackered before giving you a replacement......so you might find, not sure....if you take the airbag sensor back and vx dealer gives you a new one....when they send the old one back to vx.....if vx test it and find nothing wrong with it.....you might/may get a bill for the new one....not sure :-/ but worth a thought?
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If it was a genuine Vx part then take the car in and get it changed......the parts warrant covers the fitting cost to.....
Even though I fitted it myself??
Does anyone know if RH and LH are same, i.e. can you swap them for testing?
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If it was a genuine Vx part then take the car in and get it changed......the parts warrant covers the fitting cost to.....
Even though I fitted it myself??
Does anyone know if RH and LH are same, i.e. can you swap them for testing?
Different part numbers I believe.....
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Well, I'm in a catch 22 situation, the dealer where I bought the part from says:-
They will check the part, but it must be fitted to the car.
There will be no charge.
If they have to replace the part, there will be a fitting charge, as they didn't fit the original.
If they replace the part, and I fit it, there will be a charge for checking it out with a Tech II + any additional labour charges.
Catch 22 >:(
..and yes it's Code 71 again, drivers door airbag sensor.
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OK, have spoken to the Service Manager at the dealer and the official situation is this.
I would have to pay for the TECH II diagnostic, and the labour charge for fitting a new sensor, I would not be charged for the sensor.
The sensor would be sent back to Vx, and if it proved to be faulty, I would be refunded the Tech II charge and the labour charge.
He says, in all the time he has been a Service Manager he hasn't known an Omega drivers door airbag sensor to fail, and as it has failed again to fully check the wiring, and connections.
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OK, have spoken to the Service Manager at the dealer and the official situation is this.
I would have to pay for the TECH II diagnostic, and the labour charge for fitting a new sensor, I would not be charged for the sensor.
The sensor would be sent back to Vx, and if it proved to be faulty, I would be refunded the Tech II charge and the labour charge.
He says, in all the time he has been a Service Manager he hasn't known an Omega drivers door airbag sensor to fail, and as it has failed again to fully check the wiring, and connections.
In principal this sounds to me like a fair deal - they do the work, you pay, if the part proves to be faulty they refund you for the work.
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If they are sending the part back to Vx to be checked anyway, then why not take it off yourself and give it to them, ask them to send it back to Vx as they normally would, then let you know what the score is - all FOC?
Also, if nit picking, then dealers usually charge for Tech-II diagnostics if you come in for disgnostic only and do not proceed with the repair, but if you book the car in and pay for the repair then the Tech-II diags is usally done as part of the service and not charged separately. So in this case you should only be really paying for replacing the sensor, not for Tech-II..?
And last - what happens if they change the sensor and the problem is still there...? Might be a good idea to agree their remit in advance, i.e. either 'just replace the sensor', or 'do whatever you think is needed to solve the problem'? With the second option, there is some comeback if the problem re-appears...
Just a few ideas....
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OK, have spoken to the Service Manager at the dealer and the official situation is this.
I would have to pay for the TECH II diagnostic, and the labour charge for fitting a new sensor, I would not be charged for the sensor.
The sensor would be sent back to Vx, and if it proved to be faulty, I would be refunded the Tech II charge and the labour charge.
He says, in all the time he has been a Service Manager he hasn't known an Omega drivers door airbag sensor to fail, and as it has failed again to fully check the wiring, and connections.
In principal this sounds to me like a fair deal - they do the work, you pay, if the part proves to be faulty they refund you for the work.
However.....
If they are sending the part back to Vx to be checked anyway, then why not take it off yourself and give it to them, ask them to send it back to Vx as they normally would, then let you know what the score is - all FOC?
Also, if nit picking, then dealers usually charge for Tech-II diagnostics if you come in for disgnostic only and do not proceed with the reapir, but if you book the car in and pay for the repair then the Tech-II diags is usally done as part of the service and not charged separately. So in this you should only be really paying for replacing the sensor, not for Tech-II..?
And last - what happens if they change the sensor and the problem is still there...? Might be a good idea to agree their remit in advance, i.e. either 'just replace the sensor', or 'do whatever you think is need to solve the problem'? With the second option, there is some comeback if the problem re-appears...
Just a few ideas....
I suggested that I take it off and they send it back to Vx, they said can't do that without checking it on the car first.
If I agree to them changing the sensor, and pay for it up front, and Vx say sensor is not faulty, I'm out of pocket, so then, what happens if the problem re-occurs? It ain't going to be the sensor, so what's the come back. They will say we will have to check other things which of course they will charge for.
The Tech II and labour charge is going to come to far more than a new sensor.
If the problem does not re-occur, OK, problem solved, but why pay the dealer.
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OK, my next step is to reset the airbag light.
Then, check the connections behind the drivers side kick panel.
All the door connections have been checked.
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So how much does a new sensor cost then? and how much would they charge for the replacing work?
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So how much does a new sensor cost then? and how much would they charge for the replacing work?
I paid £37 for the sensor, their Tech II costs £44.50, then you've got the labour charge for removing the door card, changing the sensor, plus refitting the door card, guess 1 hours labour?
Their labour charge is £85 per hour.
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Is this door the one that was repaired for rust - if so, could it be that they didn't put it back properly and you have water ingress where you shouldn't?
Could the sensor be affected by water ingress..? have you taken the door card off and see if it is wet or in a position where it might get wet?
I don't know how the sensor is positioned (I did take my door card of some time ago, but I don't remember the sensor's position..), but since the door is a 'wet' design i.e. water should run inside the door along both edges I would expect the sensor and cabling to be water-tight?
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The point I am trying to get at is that if the sensor may have indeed suffered water damage, then the cheapest route to follow would be to get a new one again and this time try to sort out the water problem as well...?
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So how much does a new sensor cost then? and how much would they charge for the replacing work?
I paid £37 for the sensor, their Tech II costs £44.50, then you've got the labour charge for removing the door card, changing the sensor, plus refitting the door card, guess 1 hours labour?
Their labour charge is £85 per hour.
£85! :o :o :o
I should charge £20 and i would be sorted! ;D
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Is this door the one that was repaired for rust - if so, could it be that they didn't put it back properly and you have water ingress where you shouldn't?
Could the sensor be affected by water ingress..? have you taken the door card off and see if it is wet or in a position where it might get wet?
I don't know how the sensor is positioned (I did take my door card of some time ago, but I don't remember the sensor's position..), but since the door is a 'wet' design i.e. water should run inside the door along both edges I would expect the sensor and cabling to be water-tight?
The car is now on it's 3rd airbag sensor.
Original - lasted about 2 years.
Replaced under warranty - lasted about 18 months.
Replaced - lasted about 3 months.
I have taken the door card off twice, one at TheBoys, everthing was dry and clean, we took the sensor off, cleaned up the contacts, then it came back on again within about 3 hours.
Bought a new sensor, still the inside of the door was dry and clean, replaced the sensor.
It's got to be something else.
TheBoy also cleaned up the multi-plug for the door electrics.
The only thing left is the connections behind the drivers kick panel.
Just reset the airbag light, tried it a few times, OK at the minute.
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If the light is now off then the next step is to check if the airbag sensor is actually working or not. To do this, place tour car perpendicular to your wife’s car, then….
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If the light is now off then the next step is to check if the airbag sensor is actually working or not. To do this, place tour car perpendicular to your wife’s car, then….
:y ;D ;D ;D ;D
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OK, joking aside, how easy would it be to replace the loom feeding the sensor?
Can you get a sensor from the scrappies - side airbags have been fitted since the 1998 mini-facelift, so might be the same P/N?
Tunnie - any facelifts with intact front doors in your scrappie...?
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OK, joking aside, how easy would it be to replace the loom feeding the sensor?
Can you get a sensor from the scrappies - side airbags have been fitted since the 1998 mini-facelift, so might be the same P/N?
Tunnie - any facelifts with intact front doors in your scrappie...?
Still got the old one, might put that back in and see what happens.
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Something has just occurred to me.
Normally, when I plug the TechII or Scantool into the car, it switches the CD player on and it starts playing.
When the airbag light is on it doesn't switch the CD player on.
Any thoughts on that one?
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Wouldn't worry too much about that - the radio comes on when doing some diagnoses, possibly the cheap doesn't fire it up if it detects an error before that point.
Interestingly, the radio must be on during g/box upgrade....
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Interestingly, the radio must be on during g/box upgrade....
:-X :-[
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Wouldn't worry too much about that - the radio comes on when doing some diagnoses, possibly the cheap doesn't fire it up if it detects an error before that point.
Interestingly, the radio must be on during g/box upgrade....
Hmmm...the cheapo doesn't seem to read my g/box....wonder if it would if I turned the radio on.
The point I was making earlier, it doesn't seem to matter whether the audio is switched to tuner or tape, as soon as I plug in, it goes to CD.
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Wouldn't worry too much about that - the radio comes on when doing some diagnoses, possibly the cheap doesn't fire it up if it detects an error before that point.
Interestingly, the radio must be on during g/box upgrade....
Have you done a gearbox upgrade with a 3rd party headunit?
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Wouldn't worry too much about that - the radio comes on when doing some diagnoses, possibly the cheap doesn't fire it up if it detects an error before that point.
Interestingly, the radio must be on during g/box upgrade....
Have you done a gearbox upgrade with a 3rd party headunit?
No.
But apparently, the flash fails part way through if the radio is turned off ::) :-X
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24 hours later and it's still off :y
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Wouldn't worry too much about that - the radio comes on when doing some diagnoses, possibly the cheap doesn't fire it up if it detects an error before that point.
Interestingly, the radio must be on during g/box upgrade....
Have you done a gearbox upgrade with a 3rd party headunit?
No.
But apparently, the flash fails part way through if the radio is turned off ::) :-X
To be honest, due to the conditions (wet cold and dark) and the fact that my battery was flattened by the repeated attempts, we did not conduct a very scientific study in the sense that we did not have a control group and we did not try to replicate the findings… but as anecdotic evidence it definitely seems this way.
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AA, having given this some further consideration… I don’t see how pursuing the warranty avenue can help. If the suspected faulty sensor is sent back to Vx, then they will either test it using some sort of test rig, or just hook it up to a ECU and see if it flags-up an error code – but because the fault is intermittent, it will seem Ok and they will send it back saying no fault found. It is unlikely that they will actually fit it to a car and drive around with it for a couple of weeks… So it would seem that you will need to sort this one out on your own?
Incidentally, now that you have reset the airbag light with the Cheapo Tech-II, doesn’t it look like a very good investment compared to Vx charge of £45 for each reset? ;D
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AA, having given this some further consideration… I don’t see how pursuing the warranty avenue can help. If the suspected faulty sensor is sent back to Vx, then they will either test it using some sort of test rig, or just hook it up to a ECU and see if it flags-up an error code – but because the fault is intermittent, it will seem Ok and they will send it back saying no fault found. It is unlikely that they will actually fit it to a car and drive around with it for a couple of weeks… So it would seem that you will need to sort this one out on your own?
Incidentally, now that you have reset the airbag light with the Cheapo Tech-II, doesn’t it look like a very good investment compared to Vx charge of £45 for each reset? ;D
It's already paid for itself :y
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24 hours later and it's still off :y
Shame you carnt borrow another one and see if the intermittant fault stays with the car or moves with the sensor.......wonders if TB can swap it with Tunnies without him noticing ::) ;D
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24 hours later and it's still off :y
Shame you carnt borrow another one and see if the intermittant fault stays with the car or moves with the sensor.......wonders if TB can swap it with Tunnies without him noticing ::) ;D
I could send you the old one and you could try it in yours........ ;)
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24 hours later and it's still off :y
Shame you carnt borrow another one and see if the intermittant fault stays with the car or moves with the sensor.......wonders if TB can swap it with Tunnies without him noticing ::) ;D
I could send you the old one and you could try it in yours........ ;)
That wouldnt be a problem AA...tho i carnt remember.....would there be enough room at the bottom of the door for 2 sensors....ie your old one just resting in the bottom of door without getting in the way of window etc......coz i know my sensors are rivited in....and i get nervous about drilling rivits out holding an airbag sensor in!
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24 hours later and it's still off :y
Shame you carnt borrow another one and see if the intermittant fault stays with the car or moves with the sensor.......wonders if TB can swap it with Tunnies without him noticing ::) ;D
I could send you the old one and you could try it in yours........ ;)
That wouldnt be a problem AA...tho i carnt remember.....would there be enough room at the bottom of the door for 2 sensors....ie your old one just resting in the bottom of door without getting in the way of window etc......coz i know my sensors are rivited in....and i get nervous about drilling rivits out holding an airbag sensor in!
All you have to do is disconnect the battery first ;)
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Still no sign of the airbag light, 5 days and counting :y
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The point I was making earlier, it doesn't seem to matter whether the audio is switched to tuner or tape, as soon as I plug in, it goes to CD.
It doesnt on mine :-?
But then i dont have tuner/tape/cd.....just tuner/cd if thats makes a difference
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The point I was making earlier, it doesn't seem to matter whether the audio is switched to tuner or tape, as soon as I plug in, it goes to CD.
It doesnt on mine :-?
But then i dont have tuner/tape/cd.....just tuner/cd if thats makes a difference
Mines an upmarket CD ;D
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The point I was making earlier, it doesn't seem to matter whether the audio is switched to tuner or tape, as soon as I plug in, it goes to CD.
It doesnt on mine :-?
But then i dont have tuner/tape/cd.....just tuner/cd if thats makes a difference
Mines an upmarket CD ;D
Not after tonight ;D
PS can you leave it unlocked to save breaking the window :D
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The point I was making earlier, it doesn't seem to matter whether the audio is switched to tuner or tape, as soon as I plug in, it goes to CD.
It doesnt on mine :-?
But then i dont have tuner/tape/cd.....just tuner/cd if thats makes a difference
Mines an upmarket CD ;D
Not after tonight ;D
PS can you leave it unlocked to save breaking the window :D
>:( >:( ;)
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Stationery in traffic this morning, Airbag light pops on :(
Just checked and reset it - Code 71 - Drivers door sensor :(
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Just wondering - is the AirBag ECU flashable, and if so has TB updated it to the latest version etc...? Could be a software fluke....
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Just wondering - is the AirBag ECU flashable, and if so has TB updated it to the latest version etc...? Could be a software fluke....
No
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Just wondering - is the AirBag ECU flashable, and if so has TB updated it to the latest version etc...? Could be a software fluke....
No
I gather it's 'No' to being flashable...?
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Just wondering - is the AirBag ECU flashable, and if so has TB updated it to the latest version etc...? Could be a software fluke....
No
I gather it's 'No' to being flashable...?
Correct
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I'm just wondering if a new membrane, sealed properly would help.........
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This would really frustrate me, as I'm sure it's doing to you. Without me reading every single link / message, I'll assume that the door multiplug connectors have been scrutinised as they are probably the most at risk to impregnation, aslo has the ECU been swapped out for know good one (Iratic on here is breaking a 1998 Elite) I don't know the intricacies as some on here may, but surely this is worth a try... I feel frustrated for you..
Dave C
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The door connectors are perfectly clean and dry, I haven't checked the drivers kick panel connectors yet.
Next job, when it's dry and warm ;)
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Stationery in traffic this morning, Airbag light pops on :(
Just checked and reset it - Code 71 - Drivers door sensor :(
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Heres a thought and probably miles off.....but i dont suppose you put your mobile phone in the drivers door pocket do you? As that would be right next to the sensor and could be causing interferance. But you probably dont so as i said im probably miles off as usual ;D
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Stationery in traffic this morning, Airbag light pops on :(
Just checked and reset it - Code 71 - Drivers door sensor :(
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Heres a thought and probably miles off.....but i dont suppose you put your mobile phone in the drivers door pocket do you? As that would be right next to the sensor and could be causing interferance. But you probably dont so as i said im probably miles off as usual ;D
Wish it was that simple, thanks for the thought, but no, I don't.
[size=16]B*****y things just come on again, lasted about 24 hrs this time :([/size]
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Does anyone know if JamesV6CDX airbag ECU off the car he is breaking will fit my facelift?
First job now, I'm going to check the connections behind the drivers kick panel.
Will post again shortly.
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Cleaned up all the contacts behind the drivers kick panel.
Looks as though it's been off before, now I wonder why?
Air bag light reset yet again.
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Cleaned up all the contacts behind the drivers kick panel.
Looks as though it's been off before, now I wonder why?
Air bag light reset yet again.
Isnt the g/b ecu in that area? ....may be vx dealer had that off trying to sort out your cam sensor prob? when they changed the g/b ecu? :-/
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Does anyone know if JamesV6CDX airbag ECU off the car he is breaking will fit my facelift?
First job now, I'm going to check the connections behind the drivers kick panel.
Will post again shortly.
Its pre mini facelift, so want have one...
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Cleaned up all the contacts behind the drivers kick panel.
Looks as though it's been off before, now I wonder why?
Air bag light reset yet again.
Isnt the g/b ecu in that area? ....may be vx dealer had that off trying to sort out your cam sensor prob? when they changed the g/b ecu? :-/
Dunno, is it?
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Does anyone know if JamesV6CDX airbag ECU off the car he is breaking will fit my facelift?
First job now, I'm going to check the connections behind the drivers kick panel.
Will post again shortly.
Its pre mini facelift, so want have one...
That's the end of that idea then.....
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24hrs and counting :y
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48hrs and counting :y
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hiya mates just got my tech2 cheapo
befor i attempt to use it can somebody just run through the sequence with me .
heres what ive done on pc but without connecting to car
opened
Opel diagnostics tech 2 supplied with , the clicked the following's
diagnostic
1998
omega b
body
airbag sab6
what is the next sequence or sequences to put the airbag light out is it straight forward .
I know,might be easy but better safe than sorry i say.
thanks mates
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Yes....click on read codes....then click on erase codes.....
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Click on the button, Error Code (it may say read error codes).
It should list the error code(s) if any.
Then the button Clear Codes ( or it may say - reset codes) should be active - click on that and it should clear the code(s).
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great guns thanks for speedy reply
cheers
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You will need the ignition switched on (not engine running) when it's plugged into the car to be able to read the codes.
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ok i got that.
what about radio cos i seen previousley where some has radio and some cd etc
or doesnt that matter
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ok i got that.
what about radio cos i seen previousley where some has radio and some cd etc
or doesnt that matter
It doesn't matter.
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I think the point about the radio is that if it switches itself on at any stage, just leave it as is until you're done with the Tech2 and don't be tempted to switch it off...
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ok thanks to you all ,you are the best.
thanks again
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This does seem to be quite a common problem with the airbag sensor, on the other site people have got problems, and I noticed Cateras seem to have the same problem, don't know about Opels, can't read German....
Strange.......not strange I can't read German, before someone makes a wisecrack ;)
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yeh mine came on while trying to start the engine when the battery was flat , ill take caution next time , then again if this tech2 works, when i get round to using it. I wont have to , im just trying to locate a laptop now rather than bring the car in the house to the pc i dont think she would like that the other half that is.
Ha ha
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either that or a very long serial cable
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either that or a very long serial cable
If I could run a cable from my flat to the car I would have changed the Omega for a G-Wiz... ;D
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A this is my thread ;)
72 hrs and counting.....
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Hiya mateys
just had a fright, i bought a laptop, just been in garage, connected up, into diagnostics (im excited)
run the read bit, and guess what
it came up found stored error codes!
55 Does not exist
Airbag electronic control unit (ecu) Replace ecu
OH MY GOD WHAT NOW i thought
anyways erased codes and hey presto
i got new lappy and new car he he heeeeeeeeee
happy as larry
ttfn
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Which diagnostics prog do you have?
DC
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its the opel one dave ive downloaded 3 of but theyre all the same .
Not sure where youre going with this but as i said it has put the light out.
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Just thinking of getting software etc, when I get a new laptop, that's all..
Cheers DC
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Just thinking of getting software etc, when I get a new laptop, that's all..
Cheers DC
Just keep in mind you need a laptop with 'proper' serial port - very rare now days..
Or you could try a cheapo Tech-II with USB connector instead of RS232 - I've seen them on eBay but I don't think anyone here actually got one tested.
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Just thinking of getting software etc, when I get a new laptop, that's all..
Cheers DC
Just keep in mind you need a laptop with 'proper' serial port - very rare now days..
Or you could try a cheapo Tech-II with USB connector instead of RS232 - I've seen them on eBay but I don't think anyone here actually got one tested.
I believe those which are usb just have a usb2serial adapter built in, with the hassles that provides... (precise serial control is not easy through an adapter)
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7 days and counting......