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Title: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 10 April 2007, 14:41:11
In the 2.0 GLS, Just had to nip into work, 9 mile run. A vectra came close behind me, so I booted it.

Got to 4,000 rpm, sudden jerk, and EML came on. The car won't rev over 4,000 RPM now, EML is constantly on, it's like it hits the rev limiter.

Tried to start it again, it's VERY difficult to start.. turns over and over, and only fires eventually with foot down hard on throttle - W-O-T.

Not had chance to read the codes yet, but, is it looking like crank sensor failure?
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 10 April 2007, 14:48:22
Also, very, very hesitent from standing start...
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: MaxV6 on 10 April 2007, 14:52:41
dunno about the 4 pot J, but Crank sensor "total" failure on the V6 results in a complete shut down....   No start at all. No running, no nowt...

Cam sensor though, I believe has a Limp mode.....  which it's sounding like you're experiencing...
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 10 April 2007, 15:08:56
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dunno about the 4 pot J, but Crank sensor "total" failure on the V6 results in a complete shut down....   No start at all. No running, no nowt...

Cam sensor though, I believe has a Limp mode.....  which it's sounding like you're experiencing...

Cam sensor won't cause the bad starting  :)
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: Admin on 10 April 2007, 15:33:53
Don't be so sure. You retard the timing 12 degrees or so and see how easy it is to start... ;)
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: tunnie on 10 April 2007, 16:08:31
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dunno about the 4 pot J, but Crank sensor "total" failure on the V6 results in a complete shut down....   No start at all. No running, no nowt...

Cam sensor though, I believe has a Limp mode.....  which it's sounding like you're experiencing...

Cam sensor won't cause the bad starting  :)

 :-?

I think it does on the 4pots! when mine was going it would take a lot of cracking when warm and the spanner light would stay on....
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 10 April 2007, 16:13:07
Crank sensor does not cause the 4000rpm rev limit and limp home mode to be imposed.....my money is on cam sensor....it will be harder to satrt as the ECU wont know when to fire the injectors and will be block firing them....on a cold engine the fuel wont evaporate on the back of the valves so its more prone to flooding....
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 10 April 2007, 17:52:38
Well, here's one for the books.

At work, opened the bonnet. Followed cable from the crank sensor... along to the connector... and it was disconnected.

I confirmed 100% it was the crank sensor plug, followed it by hand right the way back to the sensor to be sure.

Sooo ... it was the crank sensor... and I didn't know the 2.0's would fire up without a crank sensor!

Plugged it back in... and all is fine again!
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 10 April 2007, 19:02:18
Hmmm thats interesting.....my 2.2 will start (just) with the crank sensor disconnected.....but the previous symptoms you described where classic cam sensor failure.
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: tunnie on 10 April 2007, 19:39:11
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Hmmm thats interesting.....my 2.2 will start (just) with the crank sensor disconnected.....but the previous symptoms you described where classic cam sensor failure.

I thought it was too, i reckon it actually was the problem and he is covering it up... cause I was right and he was wrong  ;) ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 10 April 2007, 19:45:29
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Hmmm thats interesting.....my 2.2 will start (just) with the crank sensor disconnected.....but the previous symptoms you described where classic cam sensor failure.

I thought it was too, i reckon it actually was the problem and he is covering it up... cause I was right and he was wrong  ;) ;D  ;D

James is very young and probably got this cam and crank sensors mixed up  :P ;)
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: TheBoy on 10 April 2007, 19:47:51
As TD proved to me, 4 pots will run without crank sensor....

My money would have been on cam, but crank on 4 pots seems to give similar symptoms...
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 10 April 2007, 21:02:38
Take the piss all you can, Tunnie.. fact remains.. it WAS the Crank Sensor..

So *I* Was right, and *YOU* were wrong

Nuuuh !!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 10 April 2007, 21:03:25
Ps... I'm only joiking mate ;)
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: theolodian on 10 April 2007, 21:05:41
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Take the piss all you can, Tunnie.. fact remains.. it WAS the Crank Sensor..

So *I* Was right, and *YOU* were wrong

Nuuuh !!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Lovers' quarrels  . . . .  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 10 April 2007, 21:20:37
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As TD proved to me, 4 pots will run without crank sensor....

My money would have been on cam, but crank on 4 pots seems to give similar symptoms...

I said interesting...coz i thought it was only the DBW 4 pots that could....more advanced engine timing etc
It appears that any 4 pot will then.
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: tunnie on 10 April 2007, 22:47:13
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Take the piss all you can, Tunnie.. fact remains.. it WAS the Crank Sensor..

So *I* Was right, and *YOU* were wrong

Nuuuh !!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Lovers' quarrels  . . . .  ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D

Well it just proves 4pots are more reliable than V6's  ;) - Crank Sensors stop a V6, the 4pots can keep on rollin.... :D
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 10 April 2007, 23:49:47
Damn you all beat me to it - my first 2.0 GLS had this problem 4000rpm rev limit.

Crank Sensor
Title: Re: Is it crank sensor?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 11 April 2007, 01:28:38
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Damn you all beat me to it - my first 2.0 GLS had this problem 4000rpm rev limit.

Crank Sensor

100% agree

It was my crank sensor... it had come adrift!!