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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: rands100 on 21 July 2007, 16:12:41
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At the mo I have a 3.0 elite, getting too expensive to run. Anyone have any ideas what the fuel consumption of diesel meega will be like?
Also are the engines ok?
Richard
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Stick with the V6
What you spend on fuel, you'll save on DIY maintenance
2.5TD is not such a DIY engine.
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At the mo I have a 3.0 elite, getting too expensive to run. Anyone have any ideas what the fuel consumption of diesel meega will be like?
Also are the engines ok?
Richard
Look here (http://www.autogasworldwide.co.uk/) go to trade DIY is well possible
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Stick with the V6
What you spend on fuel, you'll save on DIY maintenance
2.5TD is not such a DIY engine.
Hmmmm, you reckon? :-?
Many things are easier on the tractor - stat, pump etc etc are quick jobs.
To original poster, I own a 3.0l V6 and a 2.5TD. TBH, if you are using the TD around town, you will be disappointed. Motorway runs return mid 40s.
My average MPG day to day over a 1000 miles or so in 3.0l V6 is 24-25mpg, same journeys in TD is around 31mpg. Both cars autos.
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Stick with the V6
What you spend on fuel, you'll save on DIY maintenance
2.5TD is not such a DIY engine.
Hmmmm, you reckon? :-?
Many things are easier on the tractor - stat, pump etc etc are quick jobs.
To original poster, I own a 3.0l V6 and a 2.5TD. TBH, if you are using the TD around town, you will be disappointed. Motorway runs return mid 40s.
My average MPG day to day over a 1000 miles or so in 3.0l V6 is 24-25mpg, same journeys in TD is around 31mpg. Both cars autos.
Stuff that!!
Look at my post!!
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Stick with the V6
What you spend on fuel, you'll save on DIY maintenance
2.5TD is not such a DIY engine.
Hmmmm, you reckon? :-?
Many things are easier on the tractor - stat, pump etc etc are quick jobs.
To original poster, I own a 3.0l V6 and a 2.5TD. TBH, if you are using the TD around town, you will be disappointed. Motorway runs return mid 40s.
My average MPG day to day over a 1000 miles or so in 3.0l V6 is 24-25mpg, same journeys in TD is around 31mpg. Both cars autos.
Stuff that!!
Look at my post!!
Depends if:
a) people want to give up their boot
b) people mind having unsightly lpg fillers
c) mind having the seemingly need for constant adjustments
d) have a cheap source for lpg (at stations, around 50p here)
e) trust the chancellor not to put up tax on it.
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Although I've only had 2 omega's (both 2.5TD's) I have had countless other vaux's inc V6's, done loads of engine conversions etc, I think they have to be worst DIY engine vaux do! The BMW TD engine is far stronger and miles more reliable. Also a few simple modifications can take the power to that of a 2.5 V6 with loads more torque.
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Although I've only had 2 omega's (both 2.5TD's) I have had countless other vaux's inc V6's, done loads of engine conversions etc, I think they have to be worst DIY engine vaux do! The BMW TD engine is far stronger and miles more reliable. Also a few simple modifications can take the power to that of a 2.5 V6 with loads more torque.
Hmmm, my experience is that V6 is way more reliable, and cheaper to fix when it goes wrong.
The BMW 2.5TD(s) is way overrated imho, not particularly economical, too heavy, prone to coolant silting up, noisey, and bloody expensive when something needs doing....
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Although I've only had 2 omega's (both 2.5TD's) I have had countless other vaux's inc V6's, done loads of engine conversions etc, I think they have to be worst DIY engine vaux do! The BMW TD engine is far stronger and miles more reliable. Also a few simple modifications can take the power to that of a 2.5 V6 with loads more torque.
Hmmm, my experience is that V6 is way more reliable, and cheaper to fix when it goes wrong.
The BMW 2.5TD(s) is way overrated imho, not particularly economical, too heavy, prone to coolant silting up, noisey, and bloody expensive when something needs doing....
Personal experience I guess. My experience with the V6 are problems like Heads gaskets, coil packs, oil coolers, big ends, tappets and EGR that’s without all the sensor faults like lambda, CTS and AFM. The only common fault with the TD engine is the bottom pulleys leading to premature were on the shells but that’s only because people don’t check/tighten and replace the bolt! Also owning a Range Rover with the same engine I've never had problems with coolant silting or engine noise, infact for an old diesel engine they're remarkably quiet when warm.
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Stick with the V6
What you spend on fuel, you'll save on DIY maintenance
2.5TD is not such a DIY engine.
Hmmmm, you reckon? :-?
Many things are easier on the tractor - stat, pump etc etc are quick jobs.
To original poster, I own a 3.0l V6 and a 2.5TD. TBH, if you are using the TD around town, you will be disappointed. Motorway runs return mid 40s.
My average MPG day to day over a 1000 miles or so in 3.0l V6 is 24-25mpg, same journeys in TD is around 31mpg. Both cars autos.
Stuff that!!
Look at my post!!
Depends if:
a) people want to give up their boot
b) people mind having unsightly lpg fillers
c) mind having the seemingly need for constant adjustments
d) have a cheap source for lpg (at stations, around 50p here)
e) trust the chancellor not to put up tax on it.
a) Fair point
b) It isn't
c) Mine hasn't been touched beyond quick checkovers for a year
d) 44p now >:( from 41 last week but petrol is around £1
e) Heating gas is cheaper and is indistinguisable
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Personal experience I guess. My experience with the V6 are problems like Heads gaskets, coil packs, oil coolers, big ends, tappets and EGR that’s without all the sensor faults like lambda, CTS and AFM. The only common fault with the TD engine is the bottom pulleys leading to premature were on the shells but that’s only because people don’t check/tighten and replace the bolt! Also owning a Range Rover with the same engine I've never had problems with coolant silting or engine noise, infact for an old diesel engine they're remarkably quiet when warm.
Only one out of those I have suffered was a DIS and that was not the cars fault
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Although I've only had 2 omega's (both 2.5TD's) I have had countless other vaux's inc V6's, done loads of engine conversions etc, I think they have to be worst DIY engine vaux do! The BMW TD engine is far stronger and miles more reliable. Also a few simple modifications can take the power to that of a 2.5 V6 with loads more torque.
Hmmm, my experience is that V6 is way more reliable, and cheaper to fix when it goes wrong.
The BMW 2.5TD(s) is way overrated imho, not particularly economical, too heavy, prone to coolant silting up, noisey, and bloody expensive when something needs doing....
Personal experience I guess. My experience with the V6 are problems like Heads gaskets, coil packs, oil coolers, big ends, tappets and EGR that’s without all the sensor faults like lambda, CTS and AFM. The only common fault with the TD engine is the bottom pulleys leading to premature were on the shells but that’s only because people don’t check/tighten and replace the bolt! Also owning a Range Rover with the same engine I've never had problems with coolant silting or engine noise, infact for an old diesel engine they're remarkably quiet when warm.
HG failures are very rare on GM V6. DIS failures seem to be rare, unless they get wet. Oil coolers appear to be done to improper servicing. Big ends - only ever seen one V6 with big end knocking. Sensor wise, V6 very good, with exception of crank sensor - far better than BMW engine, where sensor failure is common, esp MAF (on the later ones that have MAF), only the ECU rarely lights the EML when sensors fail! Never seen a real MAF failure on V6 - 'MAF Failures' on V6 tend to be garages who do not know how to use the codes that the engine is telling you.
Rangies and BMW suffer from the silting, as well as the Omega. Whether or not it is a (lack of) servicing issue, I haven't yet worked out.
And don't get me started on bloody viscous fans!
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Depends if:
a) people want to give up their boot
b) people mind having unsightly lpg fillers
c) mind having the seemingly need for constant adjustments
d) have a cheap source for lpg (at stations, around 50p here)
e) trust the chancellor not to put up tax on it.
a) Fair point
b) It isn't
c) Mine hasn't been touched beyond quick checkovers for a year
d) 44p now >:( from 41 last week but petrol is around £1
e) Heating gas is cheaper and is indistinguisable
b) matter of opinion ;)
c) does appear that people are always having to have something adjusted
d) 50p here, petrol 91p
e) if they went down route of heavier taxing, they would do the same as 'red' diesel or similar.
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Depends if:
a) people want to give up their boot
b) people mind having unsightly lpg fillers
c) mind having the seemingly need for constant adjustments
d) have a cheap source for lpg (at stations, around 50p here)
e) trust the chancellor not to put up tax on it.
a) Fair point
b) It isn't
c) Mine hasn't been touched beyond quick checkovers for a year
d) 44p now >:( from 41 last week but petrol is around £1
e) Heating gas is cheaper and is indistinguisable
b) matter of opinion ;)
c) does appear that people are always having to have something adjusted
d) 50p here, petrol 91p
e) if they went down route of heavier taxing, they would do the same as 'red' diesel or similar.
But there is no easy way to alter autogas as it is gasous when used you can't dye it, and getting gas out is difficult
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Depends if:
a) people want to give up their boot
b) people mind having unsightly lpg fillers
c) mind having the seemingly need for constant adjustments
d) have a cheap source for lpg (at stations, around 50p here)
e) trust the chancellor not to put up tax on it.
a) Fair point
b) It isn't
c) Mine hasn't been touched beyond quick checkovers for a year
d) 44p now >:( from 41 last week but petrol is around £1
e) Heating gas is cheaper and is indistinguisable
b) matter of opinion ;)
c) does appear that people are always having to have something adjusted
d) 50p here, petrol 91p
e) if they went down route of heavier taxing, they would do the same as 'red' diesel or similar.
But there is no easy way to alter autogas as it is gasous when used you can't dye it, and getting gas out is difficult
Oh, I'm sure there are ways ;) - I'm sure recalling at the time that adding the dye to diesel wouldn't work either...
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LPG is not an option unless there is somewhere else to put a tank apart from the boot?
I have a 3.9i Discovery that I have run in lpg since 1999 but I have two undersill tanks on that. Just need someting more economical but with lots of space. Wifes 2.0 picasso diesel is very roomy with rear seats taken and does 42mpg round town and 55-60 on a run. Maybe a passat or mondeo estate diesel might be worth looking at
Richard
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LPG is not an option unless there is somewhere else to put a tank apart from the boot?
I have a 3.9i Discovery that I have run in lpg since 1999 but I have two undersill tanks on that. Just need someting more economical but with lots of space. Wifes 2.0 picasso diesel is very roomy with rear seats taken and does 42mpg round town and 55-60 on a run. Maybe a passat or mondeo estate diesel might be worth looking at
Richard
Don't know what the 2.2DTi gives? Newer engine, hopefully more economical than older beemer unit? And being manual only will help. The Omega's problem is weight though...
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LPG is not an option unless there is somewhere else to put a tank apart from the boot?
I have a 3.9i Discovery that I have run in lpg since 1999 but I have two undersill tanks on that. Just need someting more economical but with lots of space. Wifes 2.0 picasso diesel is very roomy with rear seats taken and does 42mpg round town and 55-60 on a run. Maybe a passat or mondeo estate diesel might be worth looking at
Richard
Get an estate and shove the tank under the boot floor.....ive got a 55L (holds 38L) and have lost about 2 inches (boot floor raised up to get tank in) :y
Ok bit of a pain having to keep filling it everyday.....but then i do quite a few miles a day.
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LPGbbbbbbbbbbbbbb is not an option unless there is somewhere else to put a tank apart from the boot?
put it on the roof like a wartime gas balloon.
I've done 300k in diesel est's . only expense is oil & filters. One I retired due to no hot start prob. But it started on first turn after sitting 18 months when I sold it.
No not as economical as an Audi 100 but replacing doorhandles, steering pumps,headlights,cylinder heads,& many CV joints I'm happy.
I had a Fiat 130coupe on gas & I Couldn't live wiyh the time it took to fill the tank. Also it seemmed MUCH quicker on petrol. 19mpg vs 15mpg.
If you buy ready converted good but don't spend your money on doing it.
My 2c.
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LPGbbbbbbbbbbbbbb is not an option unless there is somewhere else to put a tank apart from the boot?
put it on the roof like a wartime gas balloon.
I've done 300k in diesel est's . only expense is oil & filters. One I retired due to no hot start prob. But it started on first turn after sitting 18 months when I sold it.
No not as economical as an Audi 100 but replacing doorhandles, steering pumps,headlights,cylinder heads,& many CV joints I'm happy.
I had a Fiat 130coupe on gas & I Couldn't live wiyh the time it took to fill the tank. Also it seemmed MUCH quicker on petrol. 19mpg vs 15mpg.
If you buy ready converted good but don't spend your money on doing it.
My 2c.
Thats a valid point with the 2.5TD - the service interval is 5k MAX, and it takes a lot of oil (about 6.5l), and the filter is £8 (later) or £12 (earlier) + VAT
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Sorry never answered the origional question.
Early car no MAF 34mpg
Later with MAF much smoother & 36mpg.
I do 25K per annum.
When my 1st td got no hot start prob I bought two Volvo autos, 850 2.5, 960 2.5. Best mpg 26 worst 15.
I quickly bought another omega td est.
Also td does not need cambelts. But as has been mentioned if ANYTHING goes wrong with the engine or HP pump you can give up.
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Oh, I'm sure there are ways Wink - I'm sure recalling at the time that adding the dye to diesel wouldn't work either...
Quite apart from the kit you need to get the stuff into your tank! We have a kit to do this at the gliding club as the winches have Chevy 502 V8s powered by LPG. The filling kit consists of a compound about the size of my back garden with two huge LPG tanks, piping, transfer pumps, isolators, fire extinguishers, etc. I'm sure it could be done on a slightly smaller scale, but it wouldn't exactly be covert.
.. and someone would get suspicious that your central heating appears to be slightly inefficient if you were running a V6 Omega on it too! All it would take is an extra tier on tax on heating LPG at a little above a reasonable level for a central heating system to use. No need for dyes.
I must admit I considered LPG when I bought my last car 7 years ago and, with hindsight, had I converted it I would have been quids in, but I didn't believe then that the tax would remain favourable so I didn't invest. No one seems to have confidence to invest in anything that's at the mercy of the treasury at the moment..
Kevin
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;D strongly recommend the diesel get a manual and chip it brilliant car then, agree its a pain to keep changing the oil every 3000 which is when i do mine, but it only takes 15mins to do then change fuel filter and airfilter once a year and thats it!!!
;D hi guys !!! im back on the interweb at last!!! only on laptop tho so loads of typos !!