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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Dave-C on 24 September 2007, 20:31:59
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I know that the forum doesn't condone such illegalities.... However, WOW!
I've seen the report on TV too, now, no disrerspect to the police officer in question, but, he did sound like a droid reading from a traffic law book...
Read on.....
LONDON (AFP) - A man caught speeding at a British record of 172 miles (277 kilometres) per hour was jailed for 10 weeks on Monday.
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Tim Brady, 33, from Harrow in north-west London, became the fastest person ever caught by a British speed camera for his spin in a 98,000-pound (198,000-dollar, 141,000-euro) 3.6-litre Porsche 911 Turbo in January.
He was clocked by a random speed check near Abingdon in Oxfordshire, southern England, Oxford Crown Court heard. Brady pleaded guilty to one count of dangerous driving.
His speed beat the previous record of 156 mph (251 kph) set by a car dealer in Scotland in 2003.
"Your driving was criminally self-indulgent and utterly thoughtless of the danger you might be creating for the innocent," judge David Morton Jack told Brady.
Besides his jail term, Brady was banned from driving for three years and ordered to pay 474 pounds in costs.
He resigned his job as a delivery driver for a luxury hire car firm following his arrest. He had taken the Porsche from his workplace without permission.
Brady's lawyer John Reilly said his client's high-speed antics were "foolhardy, stupid and done in a moment of weakness."
A spokesman for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents said after the ruling: "This was an absolutely terrifying piece of driving. Our roads are not race tracks or for breaking speed records.
"Through his own selfishness, in what appears to be a lust for speed, he has completely disregarded the safety of others on the road."
Though the quickest ever caught by a speed trap, Brady is not the fastest person ever convicted for speeding on Britain's roads.
Motorcyclist Daniel Nicks strapped a camcorder to his helmet and filmed himself doing 175 mph in December 2000. When he crashed, police found the camera, played the tape and charged him.
But detectives are still hunting a biker who posted a video on the Internet of him speeding on a wet mountain pass road in low light at 176 mph.
DC :-[ :-[ :-[
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These people are idiots, they have no respect for other peoples lives and there own, these type of people cause accidents, kill others, and they get away with it, I cannot understand why they need to do this on a public road, there are many tracks around britian if these people need to prove something.
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This one is a idiot - he got caught for a start which means that his observational skills are somwhat lacking.
If he wanted to see how fast why not say a motorway at 03:00
Unskilled as well - just took the car to see how fast it would go basically a idiot
The 175mph bike I think the Police can forget strong rumours it was faked and km/h displayed.
Anyway how can they prosecute on that sort of evidence?
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Wasn`t there a west mercia traffic officer who did something very similar a while back and after appealing didnt he get his licence back and keep his job?
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he didn't get away with it because he wasn't a football player or some famous celebrity or the cop that tuck that famous vauxhall vectra for a test drive, i know it sounds a bit tuff but people like this should not be allowed licences to drive any thing at all :y :y :y
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[/quote]A man caught speeding at a British record of 172 miles (277 kilometres) per hour was jailed for 10 weeks on Monday.
Tim Brady, 33, from Harrow in north-west London, became the fastest person ever caught by a British speed camera for his spin in a 98,000-pound (198,000-dollar, 141,000-euro) 3.6-litre Porsche 911 Turbo in January.
He was clocked by a random speed check near Abingdon in Oxfordshire, southern England, Oxford Crown Court heard. Brady pleaded guilty to one count of dangerous driving.
His speed beat the previous record of 156 mph (251 kph) set by a car dealer in Scotland in 2003.
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Yes,
perhaps, somewhat excessive, I agree... at least it wasn't a Vauxhall Viva with drum brakes, which at 50mph it could have been deemed as dangerous... hyperthetically, technology and development allows a little in excess of the current speed limit.. As you folks say, it's reaction times that count at that speed... the thinking and braking distances, assuming decent traction, would be less than the highway code would calculate.... agreed, would have been more excusable in the early hours, less traffic and all....
Speed doesn't kill, it's the contact with a solid object :-X
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if a cop needs to "play" with a new patrol car, they should be able to use a closed track, apart from that, regardless of the power of cars, speed limits are purely a safety measure
its shocking how many people ignore that
my manner of driving since my accident has seriously matured, and i'm that annoying driver in front of you who wont go beyond 30 in a 30, and i couldn't give a damn about the irate driver behind me who wants to do 50, and the truth is, its most likely going to be me, the safe driver, killed by some fool not caring about the speed limits
rant over
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if a cop needs to "play" with a new patrol car, they should be able to use a closed track, apart from that, regardless of the power of cars, speed limits are purely a safety measure
its shocking how many people ignore that
my manner of driving since my accident has seriously matured, and i'm that annoying driver in front of you who wont go beyond 30 in a 30, and i couldn't give a damn about the irate driver behind me who wants to do 50, and the truth is, its most likely going to be me, the safe driver, killed by some fool not caring about the speed limits
rant over
Well said.. :y
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my manner of driving since my accident has seriously matured
I always say everybody needs a serious accident to realise the potential danger...
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people these days are to busy flying about as if there asses are on fire,taking your time you can stop a lot faster and maybe avoid a crash and give other drives a bit of respect on the road :y :y :y
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A man caught speeding at a British record of 172 miles (277 kilometres) per hour was jailed for 10 weeks on Monday.
Tim Brady, 33, from Harrow in north-west London, became the fastest person ever caught by a British speed camera for his spin in a 98,000-pound (198,000-dollar, 141,000-euro) 3.6-litre Porsche 911 Turbo in January.
He was clocked by a random speed check near Abingdon in Oxfordshire, southern England, Oxford Crown Court heard. Brady pleaded guilty to one count of dangerous driving.
His speed beat the previous record of 156 mph (251 kph) set by a car dealer in Scotland in 2003.
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Yes,
perhaps, somewhat excessive, I agree... at least it wasn't a Vauxhall Viva with drum brakes, which at 50mph it could have been deemed as dangerous... hyperthetically, technology and development allows a little in excess of the current speed limit.. As you folks say, it's reaction times that count at that speed... the thinking and braking distances, assuming decent traction, would be less than the highway code would calculate.... agreed, would have been more excusable in the early hours, less traffic and all....
Speed doesn't kill, it's the contact with a solid object :-X
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Speed does kill, and the solid object could be some kid walking between parked cars, or some other driver having a lapse of concentration and pulling out of a junction, or some driver changing lanes not knowing that the idiot behind is doing in excess of 100 mph, there is no excuse for travelling at these speeds and anyone caught deserves everything that come his or hers way when in court.
Last post on this subject.
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..and mine wasnt even serious, about 15mph, corsa without ABS on a wet road, minor damage, car was my pride and joy and i'm not afraid to say i was upset, no injuries, no write-offs, but enough to remind me why I have to drive sensibly!
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..and mine wasnt even serious, about 15mph, corsa without ABS on a wet road, minor damage, car was my pride and joy and i'm not afraid to say i was upset, no injuries, no write-offs, but enough to remind me why I have to drive sensibly!
:y
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It wasn't so much the speed but the attitude of the driver, I expect a skilled driver on a quiet motorway at night would be fine.
After all there are no limits on large chunks of the Autobahn network.
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We are all the best driver in the world until...........
Then some of us walk away and some dont :-X
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we all have the law to deal with if we speed,speeding is speeding there really is not any exscuse for it my brother in law had a bad crash in a works car,ended up with fractured skull and broken collar bone,was about 9 years ago now ,you would not belive how much he has slowed down,people just need to slow down and take more car,and watch out for other drivers :y :y :y
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We are all the best driver in the world until...........
Then some of us walk away and some dont :-X
Some girls need a lotta lovin and some girls dont. ;D ;D ;D, who sang that then
;D
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Shawaddywaddy, you old git
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We are all the best driver in the world until...........
Then some of us walk away and some dont :-X
Some girls need a lotta lovin and some girls dont. ;D ;D ;D, who sang that then
;D
Racey ;D ;D
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It wasn't so much the speed but the attitude of the driver, I expect a skilled driver on a quiet motorway at night would be fine.
After all there are no limits on large chunks of the Autobahn network.
lets say the vehicle has an undetected fault, very unlikely i know but stranger things could happen, but on an empty road would you rather lose control at 70mph or 140mph??
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Shawaddywaddy, you old git
Spot on, now whos the old git
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Shawaddywaddy, you old git
Spot on, nows whos the old git
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thats why i didnt answer :D
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I thought you were lurking in the background somewhere, I expected you to answer that.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sincere apologies if my post has offended anyone.... wasn't intentional, I actually think he's an ar5e... I respect that what I did find funny, was the bobby, he obviously reflected the severity of the issue, it was just automated way in which he spoke it..
My own son has just been involved in a quadruple roll over accident, when he was a passenger in a Nissan Xtrail in Oman... 45 mph in the desert!! Concusion and 2 bust ribs.. So, it is close to home here too.
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It wasn't so much the speed but the attitude of the driver, I expect a skilled driver on a quiet motorway at night would be fine.
After all there are no limits on large chunks of the Autobahn network.
lets say the vehicle has an undetected fault, very unlikely i know but stranger things could happen, but on an empty road would you rather lose control at 70mph or 140mph??
i had bad track rod ends on mine when i first bought it,the lad that changed the track rods said they were very kneely out of the ball fitting ,he showed me them and said if that had come out at 70mph the wheel would point one way and the car could possibly flip over ,scary hey! :( :( :( :(
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Sincere apologies if my post has offended anyone.... wasn't intentional, I actually think he's an ar5e... I respect that what I did find funny, was the bobby, he obviously reflected the severity of the issue, it was just automated way in which he spoke it..
My own son has just been involved in a quadruple roll over accident, when he was a passenger in a Nissan Xtrail in Oman... 45 mph in the desert!! Concusion and 2 bust ribs.. So, it is close to home here too.
No mate, no ones offended, its banter between mates, I know from experience about not taking things seriously ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sincere apologies if my post has offended anyone.... wasn't intentional, I actually think he's an ar5e... I respect that what I did find funny, was the bobby, he obviously reflected the severity of the issue, it was just automated way in which he spoke it..
My own son has just been involved in a quadruple roll over accident, when he was a passenger in a Nissan Xtrail in Oman... 45 mph in the desert!! Concusion and 2 bust ribs.. So, it is close to home here too.
No mate, no ones offended, its banter between mates, I know from experience about not taking things seriously ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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not offended 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Sincere apologies if my post has offended anyone.... wasn't intentional, I actually think he's an ar5e... I respect that what I did find funny, was the bobby, he obviously reflected the severity of the issue, it was just automated way in which he spoke it..
My own son has just been involved in a quadruple roll over accident, when he was a passenger in a Nissan Xtrail in Oman... 45 mph in the desert!! Concusion and 2 bust ribs.. So, it is close to home here too.
would like to be the first third to tell you I was not at all offended, as there are genuine thrills to driving at speed, which is why it happens so much, but it should just be kept to a track with safety a priority
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Sincere apologies if my post has offended anyone.... wasn't intentional, I actually think he's an ar5e... I respect that what I did find funny, was the bobby, he obviously reflected the severity of the issue, it was just automated way in which he spoke it..
My own son has just been involved in a quadruple roll over accident, when he was a passenger in a Nissan Xtrail in Oman... 45 mph in the desert!! Concusion and 2 bust ribs.. So, it is close to home here too.
would like to be the first fourth to tell you I was not at all offended, as there are genuine thrills to driving at speed, which is why it happens so much, but it should just be kept to a track with safety a priority
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Had a car a few years ago that the track rod end parted company :o, I sh*t myself steering became almost none existent, fortunately I was only dong 30 mph. If it had happened 30 seconds later I would have been doing 70 mph :o :o
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Had a car a few years ago that the track rod end parted company :o, I sh*t myself steering became almost none existent, fortunately I was only dong 30 mph. If it had happened 30 seconds later I would have been doing 70 mph :o :o
i was lucky and sounds like you where, it just shows you if cars are not proppelly serviced and maintaned they are death traps :y :y :y
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if a cop needs to "play" with a new patrol car, they should be able to use a closed track, apart from that, regardless of the power of cars, speed limits are purely a safety measure
I have a mate who trained as a police driver and I remember him saying that the single high speed part of his training was completed on the a public motorway, with an instructor sat beside him (2 eyes on the road ahead), after stopping the traffic behind and with a car a few miles ahead, in radio contact, looking for hazards. Even then they called it off at around 130 IIRC.
Wasn`t there a west mercia traffic officer who did something very similar a while back and after appealing didnt he get his licence back and keep his job?
In contrast, he was on a seemingly quiet bit of road, bored, alone, at night, and decided to "see what it would do". If the reported facts are correct (and who knows if they are?) it's a shame he wasn't made an example of, TBH. There are plenty of occasions when I've been tempted to "see what it can do" with little prospect of getting caught but the potential consequences, aside from the legal implications, are too much to risk IMHO. One piece of debris on the road sufficient to take out a tyre and it's goodnight Vienna. Regardless of how well trained the driver is, the smallest failure will cause death in such circumstances.
After all there are no limits on large chunks of the Autobahn network.
And having driven on them I can't imagine how they aren't carnage. Same tailgating, drifting out into a lane without looking, etc as drivers practice here in the UK, but at 120 MPH instead of 80. In fact, after a brief stint at 120 on an autobahn I was convinced that there is a very dangerous mixture of egos at play. Those who drive nads out in (usually) a Merc and tailgate the car in front regardless of speed and the disapproving tree huggers who pull out in front of them at 60 from behind a lorry to prove a point.
172 on a dual carriageway with junctions, crossings, etc. though! :o >:(
Kevin
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Wasn`t there a west mercia traffic officer who did something very similar a while back and after appealing didnt he get his licence back and keep his job?
This one? clicky (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/16/npolice116.xml)
If Tim Brady had been driving past a Gatso he might have got away with it. clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph-qv4gYAE8)
The whole blanket approach of speed kills really does wear thin. 30 mph in a 30 limit past a school at 4 o'clock is probably too fast, whereas 100 mph in a 150 mph car on the M6/1/62/61/etc in the early hours is probably perfectly safe. I don't know enough about the 172 in a Porche case to comment.
Mechanical failure could kill you just as easily at legal speeds as it could at autobahn speeds.
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hasn't it been said that the limitless autobahns are a bad idea anyway?
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Mechanical failure could kill you just as easily at legal speeds as it could at autobahn speeds.
if people want to kill them self's fine ,but shouldn't they be thinking about other people,and most drivers do not have the abillity to drive the speed limit never mind over the speed limit :y :y :y
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quite right
i'm all for these new laws to be introduced to probationary drivers...
no alcohol AT ALL, a year's tuition before test
not too sure about the raising of driving age because some young people might need to drive to uni and stuff and public transport could be impractical
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quite right
i'm all for these new laws to be introduced to probationary drivers...
no alcohol AT ALL, a year's tuition before test
not too sure about the raising of driving age because some young people might need to drive to uni and stuff and public transport could be impractical
spot on :y
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Personally, I think the guy's a complete prat and will get what he deserves in the slammer.
There is one point in all this though and that is the hackneyed expression that "Speed Kills". Always used, of course, to back up any Gatso or Talivan operation to which we all cry "foul" when they nab us.
In my view, speed does not kill per se, but has the potential to make any RTA worse than it would have been without the speed. The cause of most accidents, IMHO can be put down to (in no particular order):
1) Inattention
(fiddling with mobile, stereo etc.)
2) Aggression
(tailgating, undertaking, running red lights) etc.
3) Lack of experience
(young drivers suffer a far higher rate of RTAs)
4) Lack of knowledge of a vehicle's operation in adverse weather
(rain, fog, snow)
5) Inability to read the road ahead, anticipating danger
(Used to be in the Police Roadcraft manual. Most drivers merely watch the vehicles in front of them, not the vehicles/road hazards further ahead)
6) Inappropriate speed
Especially round housing estates, schools etc. The limit may well be 30, but driving at 30 with vehicles parked on either side of a narrow street may well be unsafe, as the dangers (children running out between cars) cannot be seen until it is too late for avoidance.
7) Falling asleep/dozing at the wheel
(Once knew someone who fell off the M4 when he decided to have a bit of shuteye)
8) Overloading
(I'm getting sick of reading of stories of 5 and 6 people killed/injured when a small hatchback hits a tree.
9) Poor vehicle maintenance
(I've very nearly been hit by an exhaust system falling of a Fiesta in the outside lane of the M1 at 70mph).
In most of these cases, except maybe 6), it's not the speed itself that kills. Who is the greatest danger? Someone driving at a 30mph speed limit on a suburban road while making a mobile phone call and driving with one hand, or someone doing 80mph on the motorway with complete concentration, both hands on the wheel and a safe distance behind the vehicle in front. Applying the Speed Kills motto in isolation would suggest that the second is more dangerous than the first. It's a pity the police seem to concentarte their efforts on speeding alone.
Finally, we have catastrophic failure. Assuming a vehicle is well maintained, such an event should be rare,but it is still possible to have a blow-out even with a new tyre. Look at Richard Hammond's crash.
Forgetting the traffic and the 2 o'clock in the morning argument, this prat in the Porsche was operating outside the vehicle's safety window in that the road was not guaranteed to be debris-free and the tyres were operating at the limit of their rating. A crash at that speed would almost certainly have caused a roll and debris would have impacted at high speed with oncoming vehicles on the opposing carriageway. In this case, the excessive speed would likely have killed if anything had gone wrong.
As far as the officer's comments, I know what you mean. Perhaps he should have said "..and I would like to warn those who want to drive at excessive speeds to consider prison shower blocks before they do so". That would work! ;)
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Forgot to mention:
Drink/drugs, which cause inattention and reduced reaction times.
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quite right
i'm all for these new laws to be introduced to probationary drivers...
Just as long as it applies to someone else? ;) ;) ;)
...... a year's tuition before test
I'm sure that BSM/RAC would be in full agreement with that one.
That would just add another level of bureaucracy to what is already overkill on trying to pass your test. eg As far as I can see the speed awareness test is a complete waste of time - surely an instructor/examiner can better assess a pupli than guessing what & where the hazards are on a bloody video.
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quite right
i'm all for these new laws to be introduced to probationary drivers...
Just as long as it applies to someone else? ;) ;) ;)
haha yeah! ;D
but then maybe I would still have full no claims if i'd been subject to stricter rules :y
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Today, I've been privy to a police compound...
Only last week, we had a serious "fatac" in our locality, a small Nissan car had a head on with a truck.. don't know the full story, other than the trucks taco says all ok with the trucks speed, knowing the hauliers reputation I doubt that there would be any probs with the truck anyway etc.. I've looked closely at the vehicles in question, aparently the incidental speed was about 80 mph on impact, in my opinion had it have been a bigger car i.e. Mondeo or Omega there would have been a higher chance of survival. It's fair to say that the crumple zone had absorbed in excess of it's capacity. God bless the driver..
Another miraculous incident became aparent too, an Astra had frontal heavy damage and frontal roof damage, first impressions were confirmed, it had run into the rear of an artic trailer! No airbags had deployed! It turns out that the truck was travelling at 56mph at the time, the car had presumably been doing around 90mph at hte time of impact.... all SIX of them in the car were pi55ed... a tru miracle, superficial scratches and bruising....
DC