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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: IrmscherKris on 03 September 2007, 20:29:05
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I have a prob with the meega. The timing is very very precise (big thanks to Andyb for the lend of the locking kit!)
NEW, plugs, leads, dispack and crank sensor - head gasket done too.
The multi rams work too.
Idles at 400RPM
Does 13-14 to the gallon
Stinks of unburnt fuel
Definite misfire
Struggles going up hills unless in 2nd
EML goes straight out
Takes a bit to fire in the morning?
Fly's after 4-5K (well sort of).
Looking for any other ideas - I have a couple but want to hear if it strikes someone as obvious before I spend £silly amounts.
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no idea!!!! <no use am i> could it be an airleak???
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Air leaks tend to raise the revs I think? :y
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fuel filter?
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fuel filter?
Was changed less than 1k ago. It did misfire before I bought it but thought it was because of the hgf (which I did).
I best come clean now... :(
It has a chip (superchips - not a crappy one) and a twin decat. I didn't want to mention this before as it would in the main firing line!
I changed back to the standard VX chip and.... nothing, didn't want to know - the starter motor turned and that was about it.
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This is a long shot, but I had a vaguely similar problem with my old 95 Miggy and it turned out to be a pooped coolant temperature sensor. I didn't get an EML light and it took the agent several attempts to locate the cause. The sensor tells the ECU what temperature the coolant is so the mixture is then adjusted accordingly (i.e like a choke). As I say, it is a long shot, but it could just be that a knackered sensor could be making your car run far too rich. Mine used to pink like hell going up hills (agent told me it was rattling heat shields - tw*t) and would idle at numbers in the thousands.
Good luck anyway,
Nick
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cheers all. where is sensor? how much is it, non tc <dont have one>. and part number please. might as well change it to eliminate it! is it a hard job to change it?
cheers steve
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cheers all. where is sensor? how much is it, non tc <dont have one>. and part number please. might as well change it to eliminate it! is it a hard job to change it?
cheers steve
GET YER OWN THREAD!!!
;D
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CTS
Good luck anyway,
Nick
Cheers, this was 1 of my thoughts, Only thing is I would of of thought it would make it idle higher - mine doesn't.....
The gauge (separate sensor) gives me the feeling the CTS is working properly with the fans kicking in at the right time etc.
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My last car (not a vauxhall) i did some welding on the exhaust and when i refitted i had the lamba sensors round the wrong way (twin pipe system) and did exactly what you describe. Drank fuel, stank off fuel, and had no guts.
If you've recently done exhaust work could be this or might be faulty lamba, but would of thought the engine management light would show if these went, also an expensive part to replace if not faulty.
hope this helps sorry its a little vague.
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That does sound possible, they took the whole exhaust off and refitted before I bought it.
Will check this in the morning. :y
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I can't offer any suggestion but your car didn't sound very healthy as you drove away. At least it was down hill!
I have both types of temp sensor here if you want to try - bought 1 'lost' it, bought another and when I removed the original it wasn't the same as I'd bought so Vx swapped it for the later type .... just need to get around to fitting it. :-[
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CTS
Good luck anyway,
Nick
Cheers, this was 1 of my thoughts, Only thing is I would of of thought it would make it idle higher - mine doesn't.....
The gauge (separate sensor) gives me the feeling the CTS is working properly with the fans kicking in at the right time etc.
The operation of the fans and gauge is an entirely separate issue. The dummy at Vx tried to tell me that everything was fine because the fans came on even the the Tech 2 was showing Device Not Present for the CTS. If the CTS is pooped it will be telling the ECU all kinds of porkies about the coolant temperature - or not talking to it at all, as in my case.
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I just noticed that your idle is only around 400rpm. It is true that if the CTS is telling the ECU it is colder than it really is, the fuel mixture will be richer and the idle speed would indeed be higher. Sorry I missed that. :-[
I still suspect a sensor or possibly a faulty multi-ram. Have you checked all the connections on the latter? Someone on here was having all sorts of problems with his car recently and traced the fault to one of the rams not being connected properly. Go round all of them to make sure they are fully seated and that the jubilee clips are tight.
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I can't offer any suggestion but your car didn't sound very healthy as you drove away. At least it was down hill!
I have both types of temp sensor here if you want to try - bought 1 'lost' it, bought another and when I removed the original it wasn't the same as I'd bought so Vx swapped it for the later type .... just need to get around to fitting it. :-[
Got to be worth a try I think. :y
Top guy - thanks for the lend of the kit, turned out I was only half a tooth out on 2 cams...
perfect now though [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] (timing)
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I just noticed that your idle is only around 400rpm. It is true that if the CTS is telling the ECU it is colder than it really is, the fuel mixture will be richer and the idle speed would indeed be higher. Sorry I missed that. :-[
I still suspect a sensor or possibly a faulty multi-ram. Have you checked all the connections on the latter? Someone on here was having all sorts of problems with his car recently and traced the fault to one of the rams not being connected properly. Go round all of them to make sure they are fully seated and that the jubilee clips are tight.
ALL the multi rams work fine, everything connected as it should.
I just replaced 1 of the ram solenoids that I bought off Marky Mark which was off a 2.5 elite - surely they are the same?
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cheers all. where is sensor? how much is it, non tc <dont have one>. and part number please. might as well change it to eliminate it! is it a hard job to change it?
cheers steve
Don't have the part number, but it's located on top at the back of the engine. You'll need to have the plenum off at the very least (think I also removed the injector assembly as well) just to get access. All very straightforward, but remember to get new seals for the plenum and injector assembly. The actual sensor is not too dear IIRC.
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I just noticed that your idle is only around 400rpm. It is true that if the CTS is telling the ECU it is colder than it really is, the fuel mixture will be richer and the idle speed would indeed be higher. Sorry I missed that. :-[
I still suspect a sensor or possibly a faulty multi-ram. Have you checked all the connections on the latter? Someone on here was having all sorts of problems with his car recently and traced the fault to one of the rams not being connected properly. Go round all of them to make sure they are fully seated and that the jubilee clips are tight.
ALL the multi rams work fine, everything connected as it should.
I just replaced 1 of the ram solenoids that I bought off Marky Mark which was off a 2.5 elite - surely they are the same?
I would have thought so, but can't be 100% sure.
Is the smell of fuel most prominent at the back or front of the car? If it's the back, check around the filter again but more importantly, check the pump area as corrosion is a recently discovered problem. There's a thread on here somewhere (I'll try and dig it out for you) but you need to check under the carpet in the boot. It'll make sense when I find the thread. Give me 15 mins. :y
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Only needed 2 minutes! :)
Here's the thread:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1185813978
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Thanks for that, it's defo unburnt fuel and not stale, you can smell it in the car and behind (much stronger) from the exhaust.
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cheers all. where is sensor? how much is it, non tc <dont have one>. and part number please. might as well change it to eliminate it! is it a hard job to change it?
cheers steve
Don't have the part number, but it's located on top at the back of the engine.....
Earlier cars use 90510183 Socket on top has squared off corners.
Later cars use 90541520 my car is a T reg 99 and has the this one. Socket is deeper than above & is overall a rectangle but has rounded off corners.
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Thanks for that, it's defo unburnt fuel and not stale, you can smell it in the car and behind (much stronger) from the exhaust.
In that case, IMHO, your looking at a sensor problem, or possibly an ECU problem.
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In that case, IMHO, your looking at a sensor problem, or possibly an ECU problem.
IE the superchip? Like I said I tried the standard chip and it didn't do anything except turn the engine, no signs of life....
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First thing I would be doing is a vac test with a good old fashioned vac gauge....this will give an indication of the mechanical state of the engine, any slight miss fires and if there are any vac leaks.
I strongly suspect the lack of cats screwing up the lambda values as teh route cause.......
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***UPDATE***
No spark on NO1 - changed the plug, lead, everything connected properly. :(
The dispack is genuine bosch and can only be less than 1-2k old - looks like I need to change this though.
Funny thing is, the plug looks brand new still!
OH today is not a good day :(
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(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f270/wrxkris/Image097.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f270/wrxkris/Image098.jpg)
As you can see in the top pic farthest to the left, looks burnt to me?
I do have a dispack that has a different connector, if I mod this will it work ok? (very very skint!)
The one above ends in 7 and the other one I have ends in 0 (off a vectra iirc). I do have a spare loom I could mod to fit the plug.
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Right I modded the Vectra dis to take my plug.... WOW!
I plan on using it for a while before I buy a brand new one with the correct fitting to see if its just the dis that died or if its something more sinister.
I'm not sure on fuel consumption yet though and it's still idling @ 400 RPM. I'll report back later when I have a better idea.
Many thanks to everyone for the big input on this! :y
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DIS can be faulty
ps: didnt see second page..