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Title: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: Machinmacone on 10 September 2007, 16:29:16
Hi all
          My omega is on an L plate 94 and it has the 2-0L Eco tek engine.
The car has been losing coolant now for quite a while, not all the time usually it tends to dump coolant after top up. I located where it was leaking it was coming out of the expansion tank filler cap. OK new cap i thought tried new cap gave it a test run not leeking from filler cap now but it's leeking from a pinhole very near to where the top hose fits and now I'm worried because both top and bottom hose seem to be hard as if there is too much pressure in the cooling system. There is no oil in the expansion tank and no water in the oil and no white smoke from exhaust anyone any ideas please??????????
                                Regards Julian.
                             :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: magnul on 10 September 2007, 16:43:31
Fix the leak before starting worrying about HG. External coolant loss will cause more pressure in the cooling system, since the liquid is replaced by gas.
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: saintnick on 10 September 2007, 16:54:15
does the 2.0 have a heater bypass valve as on the V6??

if so i would change this first as this will produce the symptoms you are getting.

sorry im not familiar with the 2.0 ecotech engine bay.
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: VX1 on 10 September 2007, 18:18:33
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does the 2.0 have a heater bypass valve as on the V6??

if so i would change this first as this will produce the symptoms you are getting.

sorry im not familiar with the 2.0 ecotech engine bay.

Yes the 2.0ltr does have a HBV but this would not cause the problems. As stated at the top of the post he has a small pin hole in the expantion tank. What you need to do is replace the expantion tank and then refill the cooling system. This should stop your problem but remember to replace the tank first before anything else.
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: Markie on 10 September 2007, 18:58:46
Agree, fix the known issue and see if symptoms persist.

HBV on 4 pot but no oil cooler...
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: Machinmacone on 10 September 2007, 19:20:28
Hi All
         Thanks for the responses and sorry to mislead the pin hole is in the radiator close to where the top hose conects iv'e tried to fill the hole with some milliputty it did hold untill i fitted the new cap.
                              Regards Julian.
                          :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: Machinmacone on 11 September 2007, 16:07:06
Hi All
         Just an update really. Today i bodged the radiator with some filler ( I intend to replace A.S.A.P.) and to my surprise car seems back to normal no excess pressure in top or bottom hoses and the new cap on the expansion tank has stoped it throwing water out on engine shut down must admit i'm surprised that a small radiator leak would cause over pressureisation (bet i spelt that wrong) of the cooling system. Oh well we live and learn.
         Many many thanks for your responses.
                                  Regards Julian.
                               ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: ffcgary1 on 11 September 2007, 16:27:54
The overheating is caused by the fact that you have NO pressure in the system. The system pressurises and stops the coolant from boiling. Thus if you have no pressure you boil up the coolant.
 :y
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: Machinmacone on 05 October 2007, 18:03:59
Hi
      This is an old thread of mine just to carry it on and update.
Eventually a couple of weeks ago i managed to get hold of a second hand radiator fitted it and car was ok for a while. Looked at it today and the radiator is leeking again from what looks like a small pin hole where the top hose fits. (Exactly like the previous Rad)
       Should i try and locate another radiator or am i missing something here

                             Anyone Please.
      
                                    Regards Julian.

                                :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: TheBoy on 05 October 2007, 18:49:51
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Hi
      This is an old thread of mine just to carry it on and update.
Eventually a couple of weeks ago i managed to get hold of a second hand radiator fitted it and car was ok for a while. Looked at it today and the radiator is leeking again from what looks like a small pin hole where the top hose fits. (Exactly like the previous Rad)
       Should i try and locate another radiator or am i missing something here

                             Anyone Please.
      
                                    Regards Julian.

                                :( :( :( :( :( :(
one the plastic bit, or the actual metal vanes?
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: ffcgary1 on 05 October 2007, 18:56:39
  Where did you get the rad from mate, if from a scrapper did you take the rad off yourself,?   if you did , did you cut the old top hose off or pull/wiggle the hose off.? I was told a long time ago to always cut the hose off a used rad as after a period of years the joint at that point CAN, become weak and if you pull  the hose then y
you can make it weak and eventually leak.

 best to get a new rad . :y
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: ians on 05 October 2007, 19:21:49
Is it still overpressurising? (rock hard hoses)
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: Machinmacone on 05 October 2007, 22:45:12
Hi
     Yes its the plastic bit. Didn't remove rad. myself it was allready off and yes both top and bottom hoses are both pressurized again but isn't this because it's leaking again.
      I was wondering if this would repair with a high temperature epoxy resin, Iv'e also thought about rad weld or something similar but Iv'e heard a lot off bad reports about these products.
                            Cheers Julian.

                            :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: TheBoy on 05 October 2007, 23:22:48
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Hi
     Yes its the plastic bit. Didn't remove rad. myself it was allready off and yes both top and bottom hoses are both pressurized again but isn't this because it's leaking again.
      I was wondering if this would repair with a high temperature epoxy resin, Iv'e also thought about rad weld or something similar but Iv'e heard a lot off bad reports about these products.
                            Cheers Julian.

                            :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Not radweld, yet to see these things work entirely as promised.
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: mickyboo on 05 October 2007, 23:56:49
New rad,HBV,HEADER TANK CAP ETC, SHOULD SOLVE PROBLEM.
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: ians on 06 October 2007, 00:21:45
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Agree, fix the known issue and see if symptoms persist.

HBV on 4 pot but no oil cooler...

Just to clarify,  HBV on 4 pot ONLY IF it has AC

Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: Machinmacone on 06 October 2007, 11:40:30
Hi
     Car doesn't have A.C.
                                  Cheers Julian.
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: Machinmacone on 06 October 2007, 15:59:01
Hi All
        Went down to local car spares he reccomended a product called rad seal anyway I bought some added it and hey presto leak cured no pressure in hoses fan cutting in and going off on the button.
        Lets hope i'm not going to regret this. Thanks for all the help and I'll keep you posted.
                                 Cheers Julian.
              
                                 :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: Machinmacone on 06 December 2007, 14:02:44
Hi Just an update really. Since my last post radiator developed another leak, which i sealed using a special epoxy type sealant designed for rads and expansion tanks. Meega was ok for about 4weeks, then today it blew off the top hose. I fastened it back refilled coolant system but when i checked the car when i got home top and bottom hose were solid (I could sqeeze them but with a lot of effort) Unscrewed expansion tank top a little to relieve pressure, hoses went soft and pressure didn't rebuild at least while the car was ticking over.
     Anyone any ideas.
                                   Regards Julian.
                                         :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Head Gasket Blown ???????????
Post by: magnul on 06 December 2007, 14:49:08
One simple thing you can do is to check your spark plugs. If one or two of them has discolouration (most likely to be cyl#4) this can be an indication of coolant entering the combustion chamber.