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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: MikeDundee on 23 December 2007, 11:37:22
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Check coolant came on last nit on the MID, so about half hour ago checked the tank and it was empty, nipped down to the garage and bought some Comma coolant to top it up with, topped it up to the level, I have just been for a short run up to peckham, less than 2 mile round trip, now got steam coming from the engine bay, looks like something is leaked from underneath the engine but can't see where it is coming from.
Find it unusual that after getting it back after lamda's getting done yesterday I have no coolant left :-/
Could there be an air lock in the system???
Some pics:
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/mickdundee_01/2007_1223COOLANTLEAK0006.jpg)
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/mickdundee_01/2007_1223COOLANTLEAK0001.jpg)
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HBV? :-/ I think they tend to fail in a spectatular manner!
I really need to look at mine again.......its been gradually getting worse again (after finding a few loose hose clips) Im loosing a ltr of coolant every couple of kmiles
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I'm gonna post some pics up in a minute, just had the engine running, it does'nt look good. Just wondering if those idiots round the corner done soething to it yesterday whilst doing the lamda's either that or just bad luck >:(
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does sound like HBV!
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Posted up some pics, what's the HBV?, how big a job is that?
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Mike you know the HBV is the Heater Bypass Valve
I think its scuttle off on a V6 to get easy access
some V6 person will be along to tell you where it is
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Mike you know the HBV is the Heater Bypass Valve
I think its scuttle off on a V6 to get easy access
some V6 person will be along to tell you where it is
;D, scuttle?, I assume at the back of the engine adjacent window wipers?
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HBV is on the bulk head behind the cylinder heads right above were your leak is coming from if your loosing that much coolant should be obvious anough if its leaking and unless you have arms like match sticks you`ll need to take the scuttle panel off and have a decent pair of pliers its abit fidderly but straight forward anough.
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Mike you know the HBV is the Heater Bypass Valve
I think its scuttle off on a V6 to get easy access
some V6 person will be along to tell you where it is
;D, scuttle?, I assume at the back of the engine adjacent window wipers?
yes mate black plastic thing were the wipers are
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Mike you know the HBV is the Heater Bypass Valve
I think its scuttle off on a V6 to get easy access
some V6 person will be along to tell you where it is
;D, scuttle?, I assume at the back of the engine adjacent window wipers?
yes mate black plastic thing were the wipers are
So exactly what do I need to do once i get too it?, tighten it up, replace a clip?
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The valve it's self has prob packed up mate, just remove the scuttle pannel and have a look and see if it's leaking.. might be the valve or might be a hose..
Take a look when the panels are removed...
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replace the valve mate its around £30??? from a dealer it cracks/splits and pisses coolant everywere have you confrimed its the valve yet?????? ::)
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replace the valve mate its around £30??? from a dealer it cracks/splits and pisses coolant everywere have you confrimed its the valve yet?????? ::)
I am going to go and have a look!!!
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There a how to on here some where mate guide you through it step by step...
When u can see the valve top up the coolant then run the engine and see where the water is comming from..
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i too have coolant leak on 2.0 16v 1996 loses about 1-2 lts of coolant after 5-10 miles or so with bonnet closed steam seems to be coming from the drivers side front where expansion bottle sits,when releasing the cap seems to be a lot of pressure no sludge or mayo on engine filler cap or dipstick :-?
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There a how to on here some where mate guide you through it step by step...
When u can see the valve top up the coolant then run the engine and see where the water is comming from..
Will have to check the how too, as I can't see a bl**dy thing at the back, and theres even more coolant on the deck outside now, and the expansion tank is almost empty.
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On the 2.0 4 pot it also has a HBV it on the drivers side but if your getting it from around the header tank check yours is not split they can split check this first before you check your HBV as you can see water dripping from the bottom back part of the engine if its the HBV
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My guess is its that valve or a hose near it.. once that panel is removed u get alot more view..
If u pop the 2 wiper arm caps off and undo the 13mm nut both arms come off, then there a small torx screw in the top right hand corner remove that then gently work the whole panel out..
Once this is removed you get a lot more room round the back of the v6 lump...
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Check our HBV too mate much easier on a 4 pot.
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On the 2.0 4 pot it also has a HBV it on the drivers side but if your getting it from around the header tank check yours is not split they can split check this first before you check your HBV as you can see water dripping from the bottom back part of the engine if its the HBV
Defo; not the header tank, no water any place near that, no splits/cracks either. Looks like i'm off to take the scuttle off, just aswell i bought that Halfords tool kit ;D ;D.........This should be fun ::)
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On the 2.0 4 pot it also has a HBV it on the drivers side but if your getting it from around the header tank check yours is not split they can split check this first before you check your HBV as you can see water dripping from the bottom back part of the engine if its the HBV
Defo; not the header tank, no water any place near that, no splits/cracks either. Looks like i'm off to take the scuttle off, just aswell i bought that Halfords tool kit ;D ;D.........This should be fun ::)
............Please don't time me on this one ;D
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i too have coolant leak on 2.0 16v 1996 loses about 1-2 lts of coolant after 5-10 miles or so with bonnet closed steam seems to be coming from the drivers side front where expansion bottle sits,when releasing the cap seems to be a lot of pressure no sludge or mayo on engine filler cap or dipstick :-?
sorry mike was replying to this guys thread in yours and forgot to quote his message sorry for the mistake
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you got it off yet?? LOL
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i too have coolant leak on 2.0 16v 1996 loses about 1-2 lts of coolant after 5-10 miles or so with bonnet closed steam seems to be coming from the drivers side front where expansion bottle sits,when releasing the cap seems to be a lot of pressure no sludge or mayo on engine filler cap or dipstick :-?
sorry mike was replying to this guys thread in yours and forgot to quote his message sorry for the mistake
thanks craig sorry for jumping into this thread
good luck mike
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This is what your looking for Mike...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1193594464
Bruce
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Job done, bl**dy pain getting the scuttles back on, well the larger one anyway, yes it is the HBV pissing out, now how the h*ll does anyone manage to change one of them ::)
just below that big clip, could'nt feel any problems with the hoses or connections:
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/mickdundee_01/2007_1223COOLANTLEAK0004.jpg)
Also found this below the driver side scuttle in bits not connected, think is must be an alarm not mine ::) ::)
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/mickdundee_01/2007_1223COOLANTLEAK0008.jpg)
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/mickdundee_01/2007_1223COOLANTLEAK0006-1.jpg)
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here
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1193594464
oops..already sent ;D
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He He. Th infamous power sounder. And someone's disabled it using Sammy Sledge, instead of unplugging it!
Kevin
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I hope these pictures will help
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/arka.jpg)
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/arkayan.jpg)
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Is that a turbo v6....... i want one...
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supercharged...many Horses under the hood ::)
and I want one :y
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Thanks for all your help on this one folks ;), looks like I'll need to try and get a valve, and attempt the change myself........woo hoo ::)............if I can get one tomorrow then will be a job for Boxing Day or the weekend.
Unless Tunnie's in London soon, he's got skinny arms and hands ;D ;D
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Its not a difficult job Mike, our Tony did mine. It's awkward to access and those bloody spring hose clips make it more of a pain. Just remember to get the hoses on the right way or your heater won't work as Bobo & Timbuk will tell you.
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Its not a difficult job Mike, our Tony did mine. It's awkward to access and those bloody spring hose clips make it more of a pain. Just remember to get the hoses on the right way or your heater won't work as Bobo & Timbuk will tell you.
Cheers for the advice :y.....is your Tony in London anytime soon ;D ;D
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Its not a difficult job Mike, our Tony did mine. It's awkward to access and those bloody spring hose clips make it more of a pain. Just remember to get the hoses on the right way or your heater won't work as Bobo & Timbuk will tell you.
Cheers for the advice :y.....is your Tony in London anytime soon ;D ;D
Well he's off school for the hols but his bikes broken so transport could be a problem. ;D
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Its not a difficult job Mike, our Tony did mine. It's awkward to access and those bloody spring hose clips make it more of a pain. Just remember to get the hoses on the right way or your heater won't work as Bobo & Timbuk will tell you.
Cheers for the advice :y.....is your Tony in London anytime soon ;D ;D
Well he's off school for the hols but his bikes broken so transport could be a problem. ;D
Thats a shame, would've picked him up but as the cars off the road for now :(
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No pictures but assume this would be the HBV replacement part, quite cheap aswell at under £20 bucks;
http://www.vauxhallworldparts.com/partsearch/partdetail.php?partid=91
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Sounds right different people call it different things would want to confirm with picture really though
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Sounds right different people call it different things would want to confirm with picture really though
Will be giving Vx a call in the morning, really want the part tomorrow or at least by end of the week.
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I`ll see if we have got one in stock when i`m at work tommorow you can have it cost plus 12% and delivery if needed
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I`ll see if we have got one in stock when i`m at work tommorow you can have it cost plus 12% and delivery if needed
Sounds good, sent a PM :y
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Mike, once you have the scuttle panel off you are plain sailing mate... I used a pair of mole grips to grip and hold the clips while you wriggle them up the hose away from the HBV. Then a screw driver I also used to break the seal the hose had on the HBV.
Think I paid around £25 for mine from Vauxhall..
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Mike, once you have the scuttle panel off you are plain sailing mate... I used a pair of mole grips to grip and hold the clips while you wriggle them up the hose away from the HBV. Then a screw driver I also used to break the seal the hose had on the HBV.
Think I paid around £25 for mine from Vauxhall..
Cheers Daz; I have a pair of clip pliers, but they're no good due to the position of the clips, so will be long nose pliers and now a pair of mole grips (Pink) ;D
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Mike, once you have the scuttle panel off you are plain sailing mate... I used a pair of mole grips to grip and hold the clips while you wriggle them up the hose away from the HBV. Then a screw driver I also used to break the seal the hose had on the HBV.
Think I paid around £25 for mine from Vauxhall..
Cheers Daz; I have a pair of clip pliers, but they're no good due to the position of the clips, so will be long nose pliers and now a pair of mole grips (Pink) ;D
Is there other colours then? ;D
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Mike, if you need a helping hand gimme a shout, aint got much time off over Xmas but maybe we can sort something out :y
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Mike, if you need a helping hand gimme a shout, aint got much time off over Xmas but maybe we can sort something out :y
Thanks for the offer Razzo :y
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You should be ok man, just as long as u can get those clips off you will be ok, i have a long flexy tool that bends any where just slide it over and pull the handle..
If your doing the job then my advise is buy one mate because yo cud have the job done in 30 minz with it..
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That hose clip tool sounds just what I need, can you post the make please?
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Do you mean this type of thing?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BERGEN-TOOLS-REMOTE-ACCESS-HOSE-CLIP-TOOL-630MM-Length_W0QQitemZ200184616175QQihZ010QQcategoryZ30922QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Well got the HBV from Vx this morning, and bought a pair of small mole grips out the local place £8.00 f*ckin quid :o, same as the large ones, so unless it seriously rains on Bx day, job will get done, also Vx bloke said only need 3litres of coolant, as per what his mechanics told him, anyway bought another 2 litres just to have some spare ;)
And no I have'nt gopt a pair of those thingy maejigs ::)
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Well the job got done yesterday, I had a go, but just could'nt get the grips into release the clips :(, so it was call Razzo who kindly came down yesterday morning (top man :y), However, in between me calling Razzo at around 9a.m., one of my guests got up around 9.40 a.m. came out an had a look and got the job done (he is a mechanic :-[), did'nt take him too long, ended up with a few scars. Anyway job done no more leaks, interestingly enough the old HBV has no signs of say cracks in the plastic, so how do these manage to fail, something pack up inside?
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:y
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It's prob collapsed inside mate and just run out the over flow hole or the join in the plastic...
Glad you got it fixed mate, they do do a tool to anable the removal of those clips by just sliding the end over and squeezing the handle...
Well done thou bud :y problem solved :y
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Do you mean this type of thing?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BERGEN-TOOLS-REMOTE-ACCESS-HOSE-CLIP-TOOL-630MM-Length_W0QQitemZ200184616175QQihZ010QQcategoryZ30922QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Thats the boy.... makes life so simple...
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There a how to on here some where mate guide you through it step by step...
How-to for the V6 is here:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1193594464
Jim
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These look exactly the same
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300179626648&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Stores&refitem=200184616175&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&refwidgettype=osi_widget#ebayphotohosting
As these which cost a lot more..or is it me ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160185359866&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Stores&refitem=200184616175&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&refwidgettype=osi_widget
Or these which are cheaper
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BERGEN-TOOLS-REMOTE-ACCESS-HOSE-CLIP-TOOL-630MM-Length_W0QQitemZ200184616175QQihZ010QQcategoryZ30922QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Bruce
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Do you mean this type of thing?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BERGEN-TOOLS-REMOTE-ACCESS-HOSE-CLIP-TOOL-630MM-Length_W0QQitemZ200184616175QQihZ010QQcategoryZ30922QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Thats the boy.... makes life so simple...
Right call me daft :-[, but I just bought one of these, just in case for the future, but for the life of me can't work out how these are supposed to work in terms of releasing the clips, the remote bit moves in the opposite direction when pulled not doing nothing to the actual pliers????
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Do you mean this type of thing?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BERGEN-TOOLS-REMOTE-ACCESS-HOSE-CLIP-TOOL-630MM-Length_W0QQitemZ200184616175QQihZ010QQcategoryZ30922QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Thats the boy.... makes life so simple...
Right call me daft :-[, but I just bought one of these, just in case for the future, but for the life of me can't work out how these are supposed to work in terms of releasing the clips, the remote bit moves in the opposite direction when pulled not doing nothing to the actual pliers????
Erm, I would hazard a guess that the 'pliers' are supposed to move the remote bit, not vice versa. :y
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Do you mean this type of thing?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BERGEN-TOOLS-REMOTE-ACCESS-HOSE-CLIP-TOOL-630MM-Length_W0QQitemZ200184616175QQihZ010QQcategoryZ30922QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Thats the boy.... makes life so simple...
Right call me daft :-[, but I just bought one of these, just in case for the future, but for the life of me can't work out how these are supposed to work in terms of releasing the clips, the remote bit moves in the opposite direction when pulled not doing nothing to the actual pliers????
Erm, I would hazard a guess that the 'pliers' are supposed to move the remote bit, not vice versa. :y
Thats exactly what it does do, I just tried it on a clip on the car, for the life of me just can't see how it actually works, better of with a pair of mole grips :-/
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The best solution I have found is a pair of small mole grips (although mine are not pink ;))
I did buy some hose clip pliers but they don't help much as the real problems arise where access is difficult.
Thing to be careful of is that there are several different types of 'hose clips' - eg the ones on the breather hoses would need a completely different type of pliers to the HBV ones, so need to buy the right ones..