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Title: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: rigdek on 21 January 2008, 15:02:43
hi guys , ive trawled the net and not got an answer to this one yet!  why has the bmw 325 tds got substantionally more power than the omega with the same engine? i,m going to chip mine and wondered if fitting /chipping the bmw ecu would recover the missing ponies. any of u guys have chips for sale to suit this car, also the car needs a good wind to start if the tank is below 1/4 otherwise runs ok.any help gratefully recieved.
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: Dazzler on 21 January 2008, 15:04:27
I think Omegatoy is your man on here for diesel chips ;)
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: markey mark on 21 January 2008, 15:12:22
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hi guys , ive trawled the net and not got an answer to this one yet!  why has the bmw 325 tds got substantionally more power than the omega with the same engine? i,m going to chip mine and wondered if fitting /chipping the bmw ecu would recover the missing ponies. any of u guys have chips for sale to suit this car, also the car needs a good wind to start if the tank is below 1/4 otherwise runs ok.any help gratefully recieved.

as dazzler says talk to omegatoy ! as for starting it will probly be your lift pump in tank starting to fail !! :y
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: platty on 21 January 2008, 15:26:34
As others have said, Omegatoy is the man to speak to - he is away at the minute, but I am currently in the queue to get mine remapped.

Originally the Vx unit had to be detuned from BMW spec because it killed the pikey autoboxes Vx used. Fairly easy to regain an extra 30bhp.

Alot of diesel Megas suffer from a dead lift pump - new one about £110 from Vx - otherwise just stay above 20 litres of fuel.

Cheers Platty
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: Dazzler on 21 January 2008, 15:29:48
Just be aware that the AR25 box may let go if you chip the car, you may end up having to fit an AR35 box which is designed to take the extra grunt.
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: kbou55 on 21 January 2008, 17:36:40
I fitted omegatoys chip to my omega and gave it a very noticable increase in extra bhp and torque.

I hear he's moving house at the minute but drop him a PM, you won't be disapointed.
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: TheBoy on 21 January 2008, 19:22:56
As stated, Omega detuned to stop the AR25 autobox being wrecked.

If yours is an auto, do not chip it without strengthening the gearbox (ie AR35).

Omegatoy is the man, but is moving house currently.


Naturally, my TD is chipped (and yes, it does have AR35 box)...
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: kbou55 on 21 January 2008, 19:27:21
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As stated, Omega detuned to stop the AR25 autobox being wrecked.

If yours is an auto, do not chip it without strengthening the gearbox (ie AR35).

Omegatoy is the man, but is moving house currently.


Naturally, my TD is chipped (and yes, it does have AR35 box)...

nice ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: platty on 21 January 2008, 20:44:58
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As stated, Omega detuned to stop the AR25 autobox being wrecked.

If yours is an auto, do not chip it without strengthening the gearbox (ie AR35).

Omegatoy is the man, but is moving house currently.


Naturally, my TD is chipped (and yes, it does have AR35 box)...

Did you wreck an AR25 before changing to the 35? Or did you know to change it before you got it chipped?
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: kbou55 on 21 January 2008, 20:49:10
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As stated, Omega detuned to stop the AR25 autobox being wrecked.

If yours is an auto, do not chip it without strengthening the gearbox (ie AR35).

Omegatoy is the man, but is moving house currently.


Naturally, my TD is chipped (and yes, it does have AR35 box)...

Did you wreck an AR25 before changing to the 35? Or did you know to change it before you got it chipped?

change the box before you chip it, it cant take the higher torque.
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: TheBoy on 21 January 2008, 20:55:44
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As stated, Omega detuned to stop the AR25 autobox being wrecked.

If yours is an auto, do not chip it without strengthening the gearbox (ie AR35).

Omegatoy is the man, but is moving house currently.


Naturally, my TD is chipped (and yes, it does have AR35 box)...

Did you wreck an AR25 before changing to the 35? Or did you know to change it before you got it chipped?
Changed to AR35 before chipping. Already wrecked 2 AR25s before chipping
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: platty on 21 January 2008, 20:59:22
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As stated, Omega detuned to stop the AR25 autobox being wrecked.

If yours is an auto, do not chip it without strengthening the gearbox (ie AR35).

Omegatoy is the man, but is moving house currently.


Naturally, my TD is chipped (and yes, it does have AR35 box)...

Did you wreck an AR25 before changing to the 35? Or did you know to change it before you got it chipped?
Changed to AR35 before chipping. Already wrecked 2 AR25s before chipping

Oh dear, seems those AR25's are absolutely pants then! Glad i've got a manual  :D
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: tunnie on 21 January 2008, 21:04:36
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As stated, Omega detuned to stop the AR25 autobox being wrecked.

If yours is an auto, do not chip it without strengthening the gearbox (ie AR35).

Omegatoy is the man, but is moving house currently.


Naturally, my TD is chipped (and yes, it does have AR35 box)...

Did you wreck an AR25 before changing to the 35? Or did you know to change it before you got it chipped?
Changed to AR35 before chipping. Already wrecked 2 AR25s before chipping

Oh dear, seems those AR25's are absolutely pants then! Glad i've got a manual  :D

AR25 is a fine box, fitted to a lot of Mercs!

But as with anything built to a price, it was built only with stand 250Nm of torque
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: TheBoy on 21 January 2008, 21:04:53
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As stated, Omega detuned to stop the AR25 autobox being wrecked.

If yours is an auto, do not chip it without strengthening the gearbox (ie AR35).

Omegatoy is the man, but is moving house currently.


Naturally, my TD is chipped (and yes, it does have AR35 box)...

Did you wreck an AR25 before changing to the 35? Or did you know to change it before you got it chipped?
Changed to AR35 before chipping. Already wrecked 2 AR25s before chipping

Oh dear, seems those AR25's are absolutely pants then! Glad i've got a manual  :D
The engine is detuned to be right on the 250Nm that the box can take.  So it'll never last.
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: rigdek on 23 January 2008, 15:49:17
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hi guys , ive trawled the net and not got an answer to this one yet!  why has the bmw 325 tds got substantionally more power than the omega with the same engine? i,m going to chip mine and wondered if fitting /chipping the bmw ecu would recover the missing ponies. any of u guys have chips for sale to suit this car, also the car needs a good wind to start if the tank is below 1/4 otherwise runs ok.any help gratefully recieved.

thanks for all the replies guys :) thankfully my omega is manual so it should take the strain.
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: rigdek on 23 January 2008, 15:50:56
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I fitted omegatoys chip to my omega and gave it a very noticable increase in extra bhp and torque.

I hear he's moving house at the minute but drop him a PM, you won't be disapointed.

thanks i pm,d him but if he,s moving house he will be busy, what does he take for the chips ?do u remember? thanks
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: TheBoy on 23 January 2008, 18:19:14
Can't remember the charge (seeing as I've yet to pay him  :-[).  You'll need to remove ECU and provide the part number last 3 digits.  Some are socketed, but certainly 428 needs a socket soldered in first.
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: zirk on 23 January 2008, 21:32:40
Gonna have to try this chip one day on my Omega 2.5TD Manual, As Ive said before my old banger BM 325TDSE really does go like Hell and is a lot better on MPG, I know the Meggy is a heavy bus, but the difference in performance between these two cars in incredible, In my mind a lot more than 30 BHP.

Chris.
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: TheBoy on 23 January 2008, 21:46:20
remember the 3 series is a fair bit lighter.  an its power comes from the torque, which is the big improvement in the chip
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: platty on 24 January 2008, 10:01:32
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I fitted omegatoys chip to my omega and gave it a very noticable increase in extra bhp and torque.

I hear he's moving house at the minute but drop him a PM, you won't be disapointed.

thanks i pm,d him but if he,s moving house he will be busy, what does he take for the chips ?do u remember? thanks

I have spoken with Omegatoy and he has given me a price, which I considered to be very good. I won't say how much but I was pleasantly surprised  ;)

Just can't wait to get it done now - need to get a new clutch on standby methinks. (mines a bit worse for wear)
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: rigdek on 24 January 2008, 10:38:54
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Gonna have to try this chip one day on my Omega 2.5TD Manual, As Ive said before my old banger BM 325TDSE really does go like Hell and is a lot better on MPG, I know the Meggy is a heavy bus, but the difference in performance between these two cars in incredible, In my mind a lot more than 30 BHP.

Chris.
hi have you ever tried putting the bm ecu into your omega?
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: rigdek on 24 January 2008, 10:42:06
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Can't remember the charge (seeing as I've yet to pay him  :-[).  You'll need to remove ECU and provide the part number last 3 digits.  Some are socketed, but certainly 428 needs a socket soldered in first.
i see chips on fleabay for 60 pounds  170hp, you know of anyone that has fitted these, thanks
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: rigdek on 24 January 2008, 10:42:58
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Can't remember the charge (seeing as I've yet to pay him  :-[).  You'll need to remove ECU and provide the part number last 3 digits.  Some are socketed, but certainly 428 needs a socket soldered in first.
my  chips are socketed so simple to do!
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: TheBoy on 24 January 2008, 16:09:33
You do need the chip for your specific ECU type, and for the Omega TD (Bosch DDE2 and 2.1) there are lots and lots!
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: platty on 24 January 2008, 17:17:59
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You do need the chip for your specific ECU type, and for the Omega TD (Bosch DDE2 and 2.1) there are lots and lots!

Forgive the ignorance, but where is the ECU on the Omega TD? I haven't come across it yet.
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: rigdek on 24 January 2008, 17:40:18
hi its under the bonnet behind the battery , under cover. very easy to get at/ take out.
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: platty on 24 January 2008, 19:58:01
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hi its under the bonnet behind the battery , under cover. very easy to get at/ take out.

Nice one! :y I'll have a butchers tomorrow and get the details off it - Thanks!
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: zirk on 24 January 2008, 21:50:12
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Gonna have to try this chip one day on my Omega 2.5TD Manual, As Ive said before my old banger BM 325TDSE really does go like Hell and is a lot better on MPG, I know the Meggy is a heavy bus, but the difference in performance between these two cars in incredible, In my mind a lot more than 30 BHP.

Chris.
hi have you ever tried putting the bm ecu into your omega?

As far as I know the BMW ECU cant just be plonked in the Meggy (can it ??), I would image all the characterises of the Meggy are held in the ECU together with the Cars security details, if any one knows different please let me know!

Chris.
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: TheBoy on 24 January 2008, 21:52:48
may get away on an early car (though doubt it), certainly wont on a late 95 or later...
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: zirk on 24 January 2008, 22:27:17
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may get away on an early car (though doubt it), certainly wont on a late 95 or later...

Are you saying that the ecu from my BM 2.5TD manual may fit in my Meggy 2.5TD manual???.........Yahoo!!,

My BM is L reg and the Meggy is M reg?

Chris.
Title: Re: chipping omega 2.5td
Post by: TheBoy on 24 January 2008, 22:28:49
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may get away on an early car (though doubt it), certainly wont on a late 95 or later...

Are you saying that the ecu from my BM 2.5TD manual may fit in my Meggy 2.5TD manual???.........Yahoo!!,

My BM is L reg and the Meggy is M reg?

Chris.
I was saying the later ones definately wont. No idea if earlier ones will.

Easier/safer just to chip it.