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Title: Battery Problem
Post by: Chally on 30 March 2008, 20:18:02
Just bought me Omega last week and its been running great but went out uo town last night and when I came to come home the battery was completely dead nothing, zilch, nowt. Eventually got into the car by sending a skinny mate through the boot and back seats. Anyway put the jump leads on and fired up no problem, this morning went out to the car and the exact same thing except no skinny mate so had to drag my delicate 19 stone figure through the boot anyway went and ot the battery checked and they said it was knackered so bought a new one fitted it and off I went on my merry way. Parked the car up and went out for a couple of hours and then went to go out in the car... guess what no power, the battery was completely flat agian but fortunatley this time I could open the door with the key. I've been driving the car all week with no problem starting, its always started 1st time everytime. The only thing I can think that I've done different was to park on a council car park which wasn't the best or flattest of car parks ie potholes and divets I'm wondering if I've dislodged something under the bonnet and its shorting out, I can't see anything obvious from the top. Anyone any ideas as to what it could be to drain the battery that quick?  :-/
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: markey mark on 30 March 2008, 20:23:18
yea a knackered battery !! new vauxhall go about £30 iirc !! :y
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: HGV mechanic on 30 March 2008, 20:25:29
if you can get hold of a multimeter/volt meter with the engine running you should be getting around 13vs ish, if not the alternator is fubar :)

if you are the connect a ameter inline off the battery and see if there is a drain on the battery

its clearly not the battery at fault :y
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: markey mark on 30 March 2008, 20:26:41
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if you can get hold of a multimeter/volt meter with the engine running you should be getting around 13vs ish, if not the alternator is fubar :)

if you are the connect a ameter inline off the battery and see if there is a drain on the battery

its clearly not the battery at fault :y

if the batterys knackered its at fault matey !! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: HGV mechanic on 30 March 2008, 20:27:23
ooops, just re-read,  thought you had put a new one on :-[

still a good idea to do these checks tho ::)
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: markey mark on 30 March 2008, 20:29:18
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ooops, just re-read,  thought you had put a new one on :-[

still a good idea to do these checks tho ::)

 tis but most prob battery in short space of time and hes only just bought it !! and you have just moved up from a newbie dude !! :y
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: Andy B on 30 March 2008, 20:30:11
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if you can get hold of a multimeter/volt meter with the engine running you should be getting around 13vs ish, if not the alternator is fubar :)

if you are the connect a ameter inline off the battery and see if there is a drain on the battery

its clearly not the battery at fault :y

if the batterys knackered its at fault matey !! ;D ;D

I agree with the learner mecahnic. i had similar prolem with my diseasal Astra. My problems were dodgy connections to/from alternator & battery.
Chally had a new battery fitted, so it's either a charging problem or a discharge problem or a problem similar to mine in the the alternator is doing it's thing correcty but the chargeisn't reaching the battery.
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: HGV mechanic on 30 March 2008, 20:31:07
 :o :o kool still a while before up with you ;D
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: markey mark on 30 March 2008, 20:36:22
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:o :o kool still a while before up with you ;D

 you will soon get there fella !! and i owe you an apolgy bud after reading it again he has fitted a new battery !! :-[ :-[ ignore what i have said  :-X :-X
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: VX1 on 30 March 2008, 20:36:27
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Just bought me Omega last week and its been running great but went out uo town last night and when I came to come home the battery was completely dead nothing, zilch, nowt. Eventually got into the car by sending a skinny mate through the boot and back seats. Anyway put the jump leads on and fired up no problem, this morning went out to the car and the exact same thing except no skinny mate so had to drag my delicate 19 stone figure through the boot anyway went and got the battery checked and they said it was knackered so bought a new one fitted it and off I went on my merry way. Parked the car up and went out for a couple of hours and then went to go out in the car... guess what no power, the battery was completely flat agian but fortunatley this time I could open the door with the key. I've been driving the car all week with no problem starting, its always started 1st time everytime. The only thing I can think that I've done different was to park on a council car park which wasn't the best or flattest of car parks ie potholes and divets I'm wondering if I've dislodged something under the bonnet and its shorting out, I can't see anything obvious from the top. Anyone any ideas as to what it could be to drain the battery that quick?  :-/

If a new one was bought then you need to check the voltage to see if the alternator is working, if not then as suggested above you need a new alternator.

Paul  :y
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: HGV mechanic on 30 March 2008, 20:38:32
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:o :o kool still a while before up with you ;D

 you will soon get there fella !! and i owe you an apolgy bud after reading it again he has fitted a new battery !! :-[ :-[ ignore what i have said  :-X :-X

feew :D thought i was goen mad for a sec there ;D
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: rad cap on 30 March 2008, 20:43:39
get a dc volt meter, u can get a chep one £5. set it to dc volts, connect across the battery with out the engine running, record the reading 12 to 13 volts ish it will read, start the engine  see what it reads now. as u rev the engine the volts should rise if every thing is ok to 13 to 14.5 v dc. if it does  its charging ok , so you fault is something draining it.  if ur in madchester send me a pm c if i can help u out . steve
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: Chally on 30 March 2008, 20:47:01
Yeah I got a new one fitted this mornin got it from a place I've used before on my Vectra so know they're alright. But my thinkin (which isn't always the brightest) is that when I pulled onto the car park last night I could've dislodge a loose + supply to something and its now shorting out on the chassis somewhere. Its gotta be something big to drain a brand new battery that quick wouldn't of thought a dodgy alternater would even do it that quick  :-?
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: Chally on 30 March 2008, 20:52:28
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get a dc volt meter, u can get a chep one £5. set it to dc volts, connect across the battery with out the engine running, record the reading 12 to 13 volts ish it will read, start the engine  see what it reads now. as u rev the engine the volts should rise if every thing is ok to 13 to 14.5 v dc. if it does  its charging ok , so you fault is something draining it.  if ur in madchester send me a pm c if i can help u out . steve

Thanks for the offer mate going to get it in work 2moz and get the front end up a bit so I can crawl/see underneath just to make sure its nowt obvious like a + supply hanging down somewhere and got a meter in there so will try that, but may PM you if I get stuck   :y;)
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: rad cap on 30 March 2008, 20:56:00
ok hope u sort it :y
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: Chally on 31 March 2008, 08:53:34
Right tried the car agian this mornin and no life in the battery jump started the Omega of me Vectra and got to work. Put a multi meter on the battery and it seems to be charging okay was getting a reading of around 13.56v so from that I 'm assuming the alternator is working and charging the battery. I've left the car unlocked in the car park so this will eleminate the alarm from the circuit this way I can see if the alarm is drawing off the battery gonna give it til dinner then check the voltage agian. Will keep you all updated
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: MutantCav on 31 March 2008, 09:52:53
Good luck :)
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: Kevin Wood on 31 March 2008, 10:32:02
Check that the battery terminals don't get hot when running. Aften a poor contact here will prevent the battery charging properly. 13.5 volts is not going to charge the battery particularly well. It should be more like 14. - 14.5.

Kevin
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: Chally on 01 April 2008, 08:25:54
Right think I'm getting to the bottom of this now left the car unlocked at work all day yesterday and the battery was fine at the end of the day. Had a read through the manual when I got home and it says that when you set the alarm it does a 10 second "self test" and if the LED flashes within this time it indicates theres something wrong with the system so gonna take it to Vauxhall and see if they can tell me what it is.
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: Chally on 01 April 2008, 14:19:15
Problem is now sorted or at least thats what I hope. Had my window replaced (the one I smashed in order to get the lad who had climbed in through the boot with the keys and susbidentley got locked in the car when someone shut the boot) and locked the door with the key fob, the alarm LED stayed on constant and then flashed in a normal manner. So by my reckoning when I parked up on Saturday night one of the doors wasn't fully shut thus causing what would seem to be super sensitive sensors inside the car to trigger, this wasn't heard by me 'cos I was in a basement of a club stood next to a 2000W speaker :-/ this caused the initial drain on the old battery. The drain on the new battery would prob be cos when I temporary covered the window with a bit of plywood there was a gap, agian this would effect the sensors and drain the battery and also show up on the LED that something wasn't quite right with the alarm. So fingers crossed that now all my windows are intact and the fact that I am the original village idiot all will be well with the car. But if it lets me down agian this Saturday with alf a dozen tidy lookin girls stood there waiting for a lift home then it may well be advertised in the Car/Parts for sale section first thing Monday morning
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: davlad22 on 01 April 2008, 15:34:17
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if it lets me down agian this Saturday with alf a dozen tidy lookin girls stood there waiting for a lift home then it may well be advertised in the Car/Parts for sale section first thing Monday morning
Respect! Sounds like you need a Zafira or something like that my man!

.....and whatever happened to sharing the love?.....you greedy bugger!  ;D
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: Kevin Wood on 01 April 2008, 16:08:49
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alf a dozen tidy lookin girls

You're not Max Moseley, are you?

 ;D

Kevin
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: Chally on 01 April 2008, 16:30:44
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if it lets me down agian this Saturday with alf a dozen tidy lookin girls stood there waiting for a lift home then it may well be advertised in the Car/Parts for sale section first thing Monday morning
Respect! Sounds like you need a Zafira or something like that my man!

.....and whatever happened to sharing the love?.....you greedy bugger!  ;D

Sharing the love would be okay if I was getting some of the love but unfortunatley I'm only the knight in shining armour who takes them out and about and looks after them makin sure they don't get bothered by any scrotes. Just another use for my delicate 19 stone figure and at the end of the day it looks good for my image walkin into the pub with them :-P
Title: Re: Battery Problem
Post by: Chally on 01 April 2008, 16:38:55
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You're not Max Moseley, are you?

 ;D

Kevin
Nah Max only had the five of them with him and my girls are definatley not "Ladies of the night" or at least if they are they aint tellin me and I'm not gettin my pimpin money ;-)