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Title: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 20 April 2008, 14:39:26
What's the difference between the self-levelling suspension on the facelift MV6 compared to the facelift Elite?  :-/
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: tunnie on 20 April 2008, 14:56:44
iirc MV6 does not have self-levelling.

Only Elite's do.
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Danny on 20 April 2008, 14:57:32
mv6 has a slightly lowered sports suspension..?
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 20 April 2008, 14:59:08
So the MV6 facelift doesn't have slightly lowered sports self-levelling suspension then? :(
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Danny on 20 April 2008, 15:01:14
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So the MV6 facelift doesn't have slightly lowered sports self-levelling suspension then? :(

apparently not self levelling
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: tunnie on 20 April 2008, 15:13:48
just sport shocks.... need someone else to confirm, but i am 90% sure MV6 ones are just stiffer no self leveling!

Easiest way, look at the shocks, see if they have a leccy loom comming off them!
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: CaptainZok on 20 April 2008, 15:20:32
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just sport shocks.... need someone else to confirm, but i am 90% sure MV6 ones are just stiffer no self leveling!

Easiest way, look at the shocks, see if they have a leccy loom comming off them!
Or even an air pipe.  ;)
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 20 April 2008, 15:27:50
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just sport shocks.... need someone else to confirm, but i am 90% sure MV6 ones are just stiffer no self leveling!

Easiest way, look at the shocks, see if they have a leccy loom comming off them!
Or even an air pipe.  ;)

I can't look easily as I have an Elite.

Having put those 19" Snowflakes on the car, I'm wondering whether the car should be lower than it is; I don't want to "slam" it, despite the wheels being bigger they are still genuine Vauxhall wheels and I want the car to look as though it is a factory fit "Sport Pack" rather than a boy racer car, so lowering may not be necessary. The other concern would be messing with the tracking etc.

Is the MV6 any lower or just stiffer?
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Big_Roger on 20 April 2008, 15:56:34
Hi,
Don't wish to confuse anyone, but my MV6 estate has self levelling shocks at rear. Unsure whether this only applies to estate version though.

Roger
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 20 April 2008, 16:16:03
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Hi,
Don't wish to confuse anyone, but my MV6 estate has self levelling shocks at rear. Unsure whether this only applies to estate version though.

Roger

Cheers Roger, that's reassuring. I'd heard as much, we just need to find out the true score on the MV6 facelift saloon now.
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Tony H on 20 April 2008, 20:08:04
MV6 suspension set up is approx. 30 mm lower than standard also stiffer
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 20 April 2008, 20:09:32
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MV6 suspension set up is approx. 30 mm lower than standard also stiffer

Cool, is that with or without self-levelling? (Saloon)
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: tunnie on 20 April 2008, 20:20:44
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MV6 suspension set up is approx. 30 mm lower than standard also stiffer

Cool, is that with or without self-levelling? (Saloon)

As i keep saying, it won't have self levelling unless it was added as an optional extra from the factory....
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 20 April 2008, 20:29:47
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MV6 suspension set up is approx. 30 mm lower than standard also stiffer

Cool, is that with or without self-levelling? (Saloon)

As i keep saying, it won't have self levelling unless it was added as an optional extra from the factory....

OK Tunnie I get the message :y, are you saying that there is a factory fit "option" which I could get hold of that would lower (30mm) and stiffen my car and would still retain the self-levelling?
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: tunnie on 20 April 2008, 21:05:39
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MV6 suspension set up is approx. 30 mm lower than standard also stiffer

Cool, is that with or without self-levelling? (Saloon)

As i keep saying, it won't have self levelling unless it was added as an optional extra from the factory....

OK Tunnie I get the message :y, are you saying that there is a factory fit "option" which I could get hold of that would lower (30mm) and stiffen my car and would still retain the self-levelling?

yup  :)  :y

From what i remember, it was just the springs which lowered the car, not the shocks  :-/

I always found the MV6 spot on for handling, whats the reason for self leveling?

Do you do a lot of towing?
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 20 April 2008, 21:15:26
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...are you saying that there is a factory fit "option" which I could get hold of that would lower (30mm) and stiffen my car Elite and would still retain the self-levelling?

yup  :)  :y

From what i remember, it was just the springs which lowered the car, not the shocks  :-/

I always found the MV6 spot on for handling, whats the reason for self leveling?

Do you do a lot of towing?

I thought that just changing the springs on a self levelling Elite doesn't have much effect because the suspension just tries to "re-level" itself? :-/

No I don't ever tow anything, is that all the self levelling is good for? I do take a trundle up to Scotland with a family of 4 and all the stuff for a couple of weeks though; wouldn't that help for that too?
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Elite Pete on 20 April 2008, 21:27:51
I thought it was springs that lower pre faclift and shocks which lowered the facelift :-/
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 20 April 2008, 21:39:30
Mine's a facelift Elite, does that help?

I want to lower it, but not much, and I would prefer to keep the self levelling.
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: TheBoy on 20 April 2008, 21:54:50
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I thought it was springs that lower pre faclift and shocks which lowered the facelift :-/
Shocks (only) that lower prefacelift MV6, and shocks/springs on facelift.  Never seen sports suspension with levelling on saloons.
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 20 April 2008, 21:56:56
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I thought it was springs that lower pre faclift and shocks which lowered the facelift :-/
Shocks (only) that lower prefacelift MV6, and shocks/springs on facelift.  Never seen sports suspension with levelling on saloons.

Thanks TB, and is the facelift MV6 sports suspension any lower or just stiffer?
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: tunnie on 20 April 2008, 22:05:16
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I thought it was springs that lower pre faclift and shocks which lowered the facelift :-/
Shocks (only) that lower prefacelift MV6, and shocks/springs on facelift.  Never seen sports suspension with levelling on saloons.

Thanks TB, and is the facelift MV6 sports suspension any lower or just stiffer?

Both.

Lower & Stiffer.
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 20 April 2008, 22:26:29
15mm lower apparently, but still no mention of the self-levelling...

http://www.carkeys.co.uk/road_test/vauxhall/271.asp

I'll keep looking.
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: TheBoy on 20 April 2008, 22:27:50
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15mm lower apparently, but still no mention of the self-levelling...

http://www.carkeys.co.uk/road_test/vauxhall/271.asp

I'll keep looking.
The only self levelling you're likely to find for yours is std elite stuff.
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: tunnie on 20 April 2008, 22:37:08
why this big drive to self levelling???

MV6 setup is far, far better.

Self Levelling is only really good for towing, when you have a large weight on the back and need to keep the back level.

Or the boot is fully loaded all the time.

If you never load the back up, there is no point....
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 20 April 2008, 22:56:51
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why this big drive to self levelling???

MV6 setup is far, far better.

Self Levelling is only really good for towing, when you have a large weight on the back and need to keep the back level.

Or the boot is fully loaded all the time.

If you never load the back up, there is no point....

It's not a huge issue, it is just that if I could keep that feature I would prefer to, that's all. It's a big car with a cavernous boot, I'm bound to load it up once in a while.
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Kevin Wood on 20 April 2008, 23:57:06
I've had my boot loaded up with loads of weight, including a diesel generator, and had 1700 kg on tow behind my MV6 with no problems with levelling. I think the sports suspension is reasonably stiff so doesn't "give" too much even though it starts off lower.

Ditching the self levelling (was it even available with sports suspension?) is one less thing to go wrong too.

Kevin
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 21 April 2008, 07:43:20
OK I'm sold :y

What's the best option?



How do I make sure I don't get uneven tyre wear?
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: TheBoy on 21 April 2008, 10:29:03
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OK I'm sold :y

What's the best option?

  • An aftermarket kit
  • A Steinmetz kit for £650 (lowers by 30mm)
  • MV6 suspension from a scrap yard (Apparently lowers by 15mm)
  • MV6 struts and springs from a Vx Steatlers (with Trade card)


How do I make sure I don't get uneven tyre wear?
Visit Wheels-InMotion (http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk) in Chesham!
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 21 April 2008, 10:58:42
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OK I'm sold :y

What's the best option?

  • An aftermarket kit
  • A Steinmetz kit for £650 (lowers by 30mm)
  • MV6 suspension from a scrap yard (Apparently lowers by 15mm)
  • MV6 struts and springs from a Vx Steatlers (with Trade card)


How do I make sure I don't get uneven tyre wear?
Visit Wheels-InMotion (http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk) in Chesham!

Booked in on the 17th of May at 09:00 :y

I'll start there with a full set up as it is right now and take their advice on the tolerances left in the car.

If I then want to lower it and change the rear tyres for 265x30x19 later in the Summer they can tell me whether they can reset the car camber without compromising tyres wear and/or creating an understeer problem.

Thanks for the advice folks :y

Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: TheBoy on 21 April 2008, 11:11:07
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OK I'm sold :y

What's the best option?

  • An aftermarket kit
  • A Steinmetz kit for £650 (lowers by 30mm)
  • MV6 suspension from a scrap yard (Apparently lowers by 15mm)
  • MV6 struts and springs from a Vx Steatlers (with Trade card)


How do I make sure I don't get uneven tyre wear?
Visit Wheels-InMotion (http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk) in Chesham!

Booked in on the 17th of May at 09:00 :y

I'll start there with a full set up as it is right now and take their advice on the tolerances left in the car.

If I then want to lower it and change the rear tyres for 265x30x19 later in the Summer they can tell me whether they can reset the car camber without compromising tyres wear and/or creating an understeer problem.

Thanks for the advice folks :y

He is also a member here, but obviously very busy with opening his new centre, and servicing his own forum, only gets time to pop in occasionally.
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Jay w on 21 April 2008, 11:47:04
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why this big drive to self levelling???

MV6 setup is far, far better.

Self Levelling is only really good for towing, when you have a large weight on the back and need to keep the back level.

Or the boot is fully loaded all the time.

If you never load the back up, there is no point....

It's one of those features i wish i had on the CDX....

For the times that it is used it is a godsend, the car remains nice and level irrespective if a car if fully loaded.....

This means you can have loads of booze in  the boot and customs don't suspect because you are not dragging the arches  ;D :-?
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Andy B on 21 April 2008, 12:00:55
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why this big drive to self levelling???

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Self Levelling is only really good for towing, when you have a large weight on the back and need to keep the back level.

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If you never load the back up, there is no point....

A Lotus Carlton/Omega has self levelling so the car maintains correct level so that the spoilers can do their thing properly.  ;)
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: bob.dent on 21 April 2008, 16:34:29
My MV6 estate is 2002 and definitely not self levelling. :)
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 21 April 2008, 17:23:04
Having just been shown pictures of the car they came from before and after lowering I actually think I prefer the standard height more. I must be getting old, but a slammed car just looks too much in my opnion.

Before:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/razorntfc/242.jpg)

After:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/razorntfc/244.jpg)
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: bob.dent on 21 April 2008, 17:30:11
I see you managed to get your signature scrolling Nathan. :y
Title: Re: Facelift Suspension: MV6 vs. Elite
Post by: Albatross on 21 April 2008, 18:20:07
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I see you managed to get your signature scrolling Nathan. :y

Yeah, thanks for that :y