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Title: Senator
Post by: Timbuk on 17 October 2007, 23:04:42
Looked at one today and the bloke who is selling it says its got a 3.2 engine in it, can this be  :question
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: CaptainZok on 17 October 2007, 23:07:28
Its only about 6% increase on a 3 litre could that come from being bored out?
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: hotel21 on 17 October 2007, 23:09:12
Dunno matey....  Did the quickest of quick googles and nothing matched but, no doubt, someone will know for sure...   :y
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: miggy on 17 October 2007, 23:10:52
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Looked at one today and the bloke who is selling it says its got a 3.2 engine in it, can this be  :question

i thought the senator was a 3.0 litre
 :-/ :-/
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Timbuk on 17 October 2007, 23:16:04
It is a 3 litre, but he says it has had a police spec engine fitted to it at a later date   :-/
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: miggy on 17 October 2007, 23:19:53
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It is a 3 litre, but he says it has had a police spec engine fitted to it at a later date   :-/


 :-/ :-/ :-/
If you buy it mate, make sure the alteration, ie engine size and engine numbers match the vehicle reg document, if its had another engine all the details should be recorder on the doc.

Title: Re: Senator
Post by: CaptainZok on 17 October 2007, 23:20:19
Just switched my brain on and disproved my rebore theory, at +60 it would only come out at 3063cc.
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: miggy on 17 October 2007, 23:22:54
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Just switched my brain on and disproved my rebore theory, at +60 it would only come out at 3063cc.


No one noticed that obvious mistake ;D ;D most brains switch off at this time of night, unless, of course, you drive for a living

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: amigov6 on 17 October 2007, 23:37:04
 :-/3.3 rings a bell but that might be in my Cresta (frothy man) days. Try checking engine or block numbers. Also GSI something or other comes to mind.
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: miggy on 17 October 2007, 23:39:35
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:-/3.3 rings a bell but that might be in my Cresta (frothy man) days. Try checking engine or block numbers. Also GSI something or other comes to mind.


That brings back memories, leather bench seats etc, what a car.

 :y :y
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Andy B on 17 October 2007, 23:39:45
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It is a 3 litre, but he says it has had a police spec engine fitted to it at a later date   :-/

A load of 13ollocks. Police had exactly the same engine spec as Joe Public had .. same as Omegas.
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: VXL V6 on 17 October 2007, 23:55:49
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load of 13ollocks. Police had exactly the same engine spec as Joe Public had

Which is why they were a little pi$$ed when VX released the Lotus Carlton that had an official top speed of 167MPH and could easily out accelerate them......  
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Andy B on 18 October 2007, 00:16:58
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....... the Lotus Carlton that had an official top speed of 167MPH and ......  

Isn't 174mph? Something like that, I know it's faster than 167mph
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 October 2007, 08:27:35
There are the rarest of rare 3.6 ones which were a conversion carried out by some dealers.....I think hes talking cobblers.
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: VXL V6 on 18 October 2007, 08:46:10
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....... the Lotus Carlton that had an official top speed of 167MPH and ......  

Isn't 174mph? Something like that, I know it's faster than 167mph

Sorry, think I transposed it, It's 176MPH officially and unofficially I think someone has pushed one beyond 180....
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Dazzler on 18 October 2007, 09:10:25
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It is a 3 litre, but he says it has had a police spec engine fitted to it at a later date   :-/
No such thing, just a myth the same as police spec Omegas.
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: tunnie on 18 October 2007, 12:44:18
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There are the rarest of rare 3.6 ones which were a conversion carried out by some dealers.....I think hes talking cobblers.

Acutally the rarest of the rare are the 4.0 24v Senators.....
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Andy B on 18 October 2007, 14:43:52
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Acutally the rarest of the rare are the 4.0 24v Senators.....

Which would be wearing an Opel badge.  ;)
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: tunnie on 18 October 2007, 14:48:21
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Acutally the rarest of the rare are the 4.0 24v Senators.....

Which would be wearing an Opel badge.  ;)

There are UK right hand Vauxhall badged ones around.... about 3 in the UK i belive  :o

Omegatoy knows of one....
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Andy B on 18 October 2007, 14:55:47
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Acutally the rarest of the rare are the 4.0 24v Senators.....

Which would be wearing an Opel badge.  ;)

There are UK right hand Vauxhall badged ones around.... about 3 in the UK i belive  :o

Omegatoy knows of one....

It's probably the same one as I know of & AFAIK that engine set off in a European Opel.
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Admin on 19 October 2007, 13:53:45
There are just 2,  4.0 24v Senators in the UK.
These were only ever done as Irmscher specials in Europe with a hefty price tag.

Power was upped from the standard 204bhp/199lb/ft to approx 280bhp and 260lb/ft.

There were some 3.0 12v engines modified to 3.6, also done by Irmscher. These were most desirable in the Opel Monza. As Mark says, very very rare.

3.2 litre... load of twaddle from some who does not know the cars.  
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Markie on 19 October 2007, 15:13:36
okay, now being devils advocate......

Isnt it possible he doesnt know what he is talking about but it still has a 3.2 engine.....perhaps an unofficial swap by a garage or private owner from a 3.2 omega. Would an omega lump fit in a senny... :-/

Not agreeing or disagreeing just looking for a way that both could be right, though goodness knows why it would be done...
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Crazydad on 19 October 2007, 15:35:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go-h7qk9kFc&mode=related&search=

I think this is a little faster :y
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Crazydad on 19 October 2007, 15:41:33
Or what about this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q_Afyf7L10&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWMIMkt-vr8&mode=related&search=

Its a bit long, but here a 4,0l Omega B V8 Hockenheim Ring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF1UH_0Pc-I

This is what happens when you try to tame the 4,0l Senator :y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tasvt9apezY
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Timbuk on 19 October 2007, 19:15:16
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okay, now being devils advocate......

Isnt it possible he doesnt know what he is talking about but it still has a 3.2 engine.....perhaps an unofficial swap by a garage or private owner from a 3.2 omega. Would an omega lump fit in a senny... :-/

Not agreeing or disagreeing just looking for a way that both could be right, though goodness knows why it would be done...

It is a straight six
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Markie on 19 October 2007, 19:32:20
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okay, now being devils advocate......

Isnt it possible he doesnt know what he is talking about but it still has a 3.2 engine.....perhaps an unofficial swap by a garage or private owner from a 3.2 omega. Would an omega lump fit in a senny... :-/

Not agreeing or disagreeing just looking for a way that both could be right, though goodness knows why it would be done...

It is a straight six


then he is talking bo$$ocks  ;D
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 19 October 2007, 19:43:25
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okay, now being devils advocate......

Isnt it possible he doesnt know what he is talking about but it still has a 3.2 engine.....perhaps an unofficial swap by a garage or private owner from a 3.2 omega. Would an omega lump fit in a senny... :-/

Not agreeing or disagreeing just looking for a way that both could be right, though goodness knows why it would be done...

It is a straight six

Perhaps its a 3.6 just he doesnt know  :-/
Maybe worth getting engine number.....to see what you can find out about it.....presumably Irmscher kept records of engines they modified  :-/
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Andy B on 19 October 2007, 20:06:10
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Perhaps its a 3.6 just he doesnt know  :-/
Maybe worth getting engine number.....to see what you can find out about it.....presumably Irmscher kept records of engines they modified  :-/

A lot of effort for a car that is 99.9% certain of being a 3.0 litre.
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Timbuk on 19 October 2007, 21:21:38
Asked him again today and he still says its a 3.2 which has now also been chipped  ::)  I aked him if the engine that had been fitted was a 12 or 24 valve, oh no he said its a six cylinder  :o So he obviously doesn't know what he is talking about  :-/ Regardless of what it is i am going to have it if all the paperwork ties up because the bodywork is in very good condition, just some attention to the rear arches required. As far as i'm concerned it is a 1990 3.0 litre 12 valve manual  :y
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: Andy B on 19 October 2007, 21:28:56
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Asked him again today and he still says its a 3.2 which has now also been chipped  ::)  I aked him if the engine that had been fitted was a 12 or 24 valve, oh no he said its a six cylinder  :o So he obviously doesn't know what he is talking about  :-/ Regardless of what it is i am going to have it if all the paperwork ties up because the bodywork is in very good condition, just some attention to the rear arches required. As far as i'm concerned it is a 1990 3.0 litre 12 valve manual  :y

What a City Banker! >:(
Title: Re: Senator
Post by: amigov6 on 19 October 2007, 22:46:53
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go-h7qk9kFc&mode=related&search=

I think this is a little faster :y
That went off the clock quickly. I wonder what his instant mpg would've said? 8-)