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Im going for a look at and test drive of an OMEGA 2.2 16V CDX ESTATE with 73'000 miles on it this weekend from a showroom ... is there any thing i should look out for on this model ie noises or anything i should pay paticular attention to...sorry if there has been a review on a separate page but i couldnt find anything
Thanks
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Im going for a look at and test drive of an OMEGA 2.2 16V CDX ESTATE with 73'000 miles on it this weekend from a showroom ... is there any thing i should look out for on this model ie noises or anything i should pay paticular attention to...sorry if there has been a review on a separate page but i couldnt find anything
Thanks
Check the idle is rock solid.
Insist the cambelt is changed, would need doing at 80K
Ask to see service history.
Put the steering on both locks and listen for noise.
Make sure all electrics works.
Rest is common sense.
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Im going for a look at and test drive of an OMEGA 2.2 16V CDX ESTATE with 73'000 miles on it this weekend from a showroom ... is there any thing i should look out for on this model ie noises or anything i should pay paticular attention to...sorry if there has been a review on a separate page but i couldnt find anything
Thanks
What year is it?. Has it a full service history? What is the price?
I would also check the tyres, exhaust, and whether the brakes have been replaced recently, along with how long is the MOT. :y :y
All the best! ;)
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The cambelt was the first thing i asked about owing to my recent experience with belt failure ....they say it would be changed if i decide to take the car ....
Thanks
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Its a 2001... £3600 with years mot and 6 months tax thrown in ....does have sevice history although he says its not all vauxhall.... last service was at 69'000
Mark
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Should be a nice motor with such low miles.
As jules says cambelt is due soon. Personally I would get a quote and haggle that off the selling price - then you can make sure its done properly (inc full kit and waterpump)
Worth checking service history carefully -regular coolant change would be good as the 4 pots can otherwise suffer head gasket failure.
I would also be looking at tyres , exhaust - these are 300 quid a pop items and if need doing soon should give you haggling oppy.
Look for cam cover oil leaks (not sure if you can easily pull plug leads on 2.2. Not catastrophic but that's another 100 quid or so off the price.
stalling at idle is a common 4 pot problem - easily fixed though.
Suspension should still be fine at that mileage but always worth checking it runs (and brakes ) straight and true. Check tyres for uneven wear - indicative of suspension wear or geometry setup needed.
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I can only advise what I would look at when considering the purchase.
If you are happy with the engine/gearbox performance then take a look under the bonnet at state of it. Look for oil leaks cam covers and oil in the water and take the oil cap off to see if there is any build up of mayo on there.
Whilst on the test drive check for looseness in the steering and does it pull to one side. Pay particular to whether or not it bounces over bumps or it's damped ok, or any unusual noises. Obviously check the brakes, pull up sharp to test them, does pull to one side again. Bodywork check for rust bubbles tops and bottom of doors and rear wheel arches. My very first checks before even going on a test drive would be service history and recent bills for work done if any. And did it have a cambelt change at the required stage, important that one.
If in doubt at all on anything you may find a problem ask them to put it right before purchase.
Good luck hope it's a good one.
Oh being an estate make sure it ok in the load area and not all knocked about and scruffy, it could have had an hard life lugging heavy loads, I was lucky with mine all it had had in the back was a dog.
Mick
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Redpath & Mclean have a 70K CD 2001 for around £1700 quid if you fancy a bargain, it's the 2.5 auto box
Cosmetically a bit tatty but nothing a we bit of effort won't fix.
Would save you nearly 2K :y
Kinross auction have a
VAUXHALL OMEGA GLS 2.2
- 4dr Saloon Nov 2001 (51) Silver P Manual Dec 08 Here 77,034 Ki GEN
This will go for around the £1500 mark
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I can only advise what I would look at when considering the purchase.
If you are happy with the engine/gearbox performance then take a look under the bonnet at state of it. Look for oil leaks cam covers and oil in the water and take the oil cap off to see if there is any build up of mayo on there.
Whilst on the test drive check for looseness in the steering and does it pull to one side. Pay particular to whether or not it bounces over bumps or it's damped ok, or any unusual noises. Obviously check the brakes, pull up sharp to test them, does pull to one side again. Bodywork check for rust bubbles tops and bottom of doors and rear wheel arches. My very first checks before even going on a test drive would be service history and recent bills for work done if any. And did it have a cambelt change at the required stage, important that one.
If in doubt at all on anything you may find a problem ask them to put it right before purchase.
Good luck hope it's a good one.
Oh being an estate make sure it ok in the load area and not all knocked about and scruffy, it could have had an hard life lugging heavy loads, I was lucky with mine all it had had in the back was a dog.
Mick
This is all good advice ... thanks .... it does look really clean in the pics of it ... if i can work out how ill put up some pics or a link to the page ...http://www.cbautosales.co.uk/716/stock2.htm
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Please note the auction price this example SOLD for below:
VAUXHALL OMEGA CDX DTI - 2172CC
- 5dr Estate May 2001 (Y) 76,000miles £2,150
Get yourself over to kinross tonight and look at the one there
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Redpath & Mclean have a 70K CD 2001 for around £1700 quid if you fancy a bargain, it's the 2.5 auto box
Cosmetically a bit tatty but nothing a we bit of effort won't fix.
Would save you nearly 2K :y
Kinross auction have a
VAUXHALL OMEGA GLS 2.2
- 4dr Saloon Nov 2001 (51) Silver P Manual Dec 08 Here 77,034 Ki GEN
This will go for around the £1500 mark
You know something .. i must be stupid , Kinross is about 30 mins from me and i never gave them a thought ... could get a real bargain there.... Cheers ;)
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Its a 2001... £3600 with years mot and 6 months tax thrown in ....does have sevice history although he says its not all vauxhall.... last service was at 69'000
Mark
Remember pre or post Mar 2001 will mean a 200 quid a year DIFFERENCE in road tax from next year.
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Jules guide to auctions at Kinross.
First of all, call up www.smag.co.uk find lot number of car you are interested in.
Then telephone Lesley or whoever answers and politley ask (wording here is important) :
'I was wondering what the ballpark figure on lot xx might be'
She usually tells you the reserve. Take this with a pinch of salt, all it does is tell you where the finishing line might be, the reserve on mine was £1200 and I got it for £850.
Then go to auction and check out car while it's sitting.
If all looks good, wait until auction starts, when they unlock and start the car you get a chance to sit in it, look under the bonnet, play with the toys etc, you have to be quick.
Walk with the car to the auctioneer, talk to the driver about it etc etc.
then bid !
I usually make up my mind before the car moves and get the auctioneer to proxy bid for me. i tell him my limit and then just before the car goes on sale he will look for me and wait for me to nod that I do want him to bid.
If you want me to come with you, I could meet you there?
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Its a 2001... £3600 with years mot and 6 months tax thrown in ....does have sevice history although he says its not all vauxhall.... last service was at 69'000
Mark
Remember pre or post Mar 2001 will mean a 200 quid a year DIFFERENCE in road tax from next year.
Ahh yes so does that include this one ....mmmm
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Jules guide to auctions at Kinross.
First of all, call up www.smag.co.uk find lot number of car you are interested in.
Then telephone Lesley or whoever answers and politley ask (wording here is important) :
'I was wondering what the ballpark figure on lot xx might be'
She usually tells you the reserve. Take this with a pinch of salt, all it does is tell you where the finishing line might be, the reserve on mine was £1200 and I got it for £850.
Then go to auction and check out car while it's sitting.
If all looks good, wait until auction starts, when they unlock and start the car you get a chance to sit in it, look under the bonnet, play with the toys etc, you have to be quick.
Walk with the car to the auctioneer, talk to the driver about it etc etc.
then bid !
I usually make up my mind before the car moves and get the auctioneer to proxy bid for me. i tell him my limit and then just before the car goes on sale he will look for me and wait for me to nod that I do want him to bid.
If you want me to come with you, I could meet you there?
Thanks for the very kind offer and i WILL keep that in mind ... alas tonight i have the kids and there swimming clubs etc .... :(
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....in addition to my earlier post I would add.... check the condition of oil and the 'purity' of the exhaust after full running i.e. any excessive water content, oil deposits / smoke. Dependant on year, 73K could have been accumulated by many short journeys so creating potential problems with excessive acids / water in engine / exhaust. :y
In addition with estates my extensive experience with these has found that the rear shocks (although heavy duty types) can wear far faster than those up front if used regularly for carrying heavy loads (heavily scratched rear panels can indicate if this is the case) . Therefore worth checking the 'bounce' factor of these by pushing down the rear corners of the car. :y
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....in addition to my earlier post I would add.... check the condition of oil and the 'purity' of the exhaust after full running i.e. any excessive water content, oil deposits / smoke. Dependant on year, 73K could have been accumulated by many short journeys so creating potential problems with excessive acids / water in engine / exhaust. :y
In addition with estates my extensive experience with these has found that the rear shocks (although heavy duty types) can wear far faster than those up front if used regularly for carrying heavy loads (heavily scratched rear panels can indicate if this is the case) . Therefore worth checking the 'bounce' factor of these by pushing down the rear corners of the car. :y
I thought you had a far better way of testing the "bounce" factor of an Estate, Lizzy ;) ::)
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....in addition to my earlier post I would add.... check the condition of oil and the 'purity' of the exhaust after full running i.e. any excessive water content, oil deposits / smoke. Dependant on year, 73K could have been accumulated by many short journeys so creating potential problems with excessive acids / water in engine / exhaust. :y
In addition with estates my extensive experience with these has found that the rear shocks (although heavy duty types) can wear far faster than those up front if used regularly for carrying heavy loads (heavily scratched rear panels can indicate if this is the case) . Therefore worth checking the 'bounce' factor of these by pushing down the rear corners of the car. :y
I thought you had a far better way of testing the "bounce" factor of an Estate, Lizzy ;) ::)
well she does claim extensive experience..
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Its a 2001... £3600 with years mot and 6 months tax thrown in ....does have sevice history although he says its not all vauxhall.... last service was at 69'000
Mark
Sounds a good motor but I would question the £3,600 price....I have recently bought a 2000 2.5V6 CDX auto saloon from a dealer with full dealer service history, new brakes, exhaust, tyres, and immaculate. All right it had 104k on the clock, but I paid just £2,000. I reckon you could knock the £3,600 down considerably, or walk away and find another fine example as mentioned by others for a lot less. :y :y
Once again all the best for whatever you decide to do! :y
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Its a 2001... £3600 with years mot and 6 months tax thrown in ....does have sevice history although he says its not all vauxhall.... last service was at 69'000
Mark
Remember pre or post Mar 2001 will mean a 200 quid a year DIFFERENCE in road tax from next year.
Ahh yes so does that include this one ....mmmm
Ive checked the web and this will be in the £400 bracket .... perhaps i should look for a diesel .. they come in the £200 bracket :-/
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....in addition to my earlier post I would add.... check the condition of oil and the 'purity' of the exhaust after full running i.e. any excessive water content, oil deposits / smoke. Dependant on year, 73K could have been accumulated by many short journeys so creating potential problems with excessive acids / water in engine / exhaust. :y
In addition with estates my extensive experience with these has found that the rear shocks (although heavy duty types) can wear far faster than those up front if used regularly for carrying heavy loads (heavily scratched rear panels can indicate if this is the case) . Therefore worth checking the 'bounce' factor of these by pushing down the rear corners of the car. :y
I thought you had a far better way of testing the "bounce" factor of an Estate, Lizzy ;) ::)
How true James, but I am feeling respectable at the moment! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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....in addition to my earlier post I would add.... check the condition of oil and the 'purity' of the exhaust after full running i.e. any excessive water content, oil deposits / smoke. Dependant on year, 73K could have been accumulated by many short journeys so creating potential problems with excessive acids / water in engine / exhaust. :y
In addition with estates my extensive experience with these has found that the rear shocks (although heavy duty types) can wear far faster than those up front if used regularly for carrying heavy loads (heavily scratched rear panels can indicate if this is the case) . Therefore worth checking the 'bounce' factor of these by pushing down the rear corners of the car. :y
I thought you had a far better way of testing the "bounce" factor of an Estate, Lizzy ;) ::)
How true James, but I am feeling respectable at the moment! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Yeah, Yeah ;D
Window tints on an Estate are a must!
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....in addition to my earlier post I would add.... check the condition of oil and the 'purity' of the exhaust after full running i.e. any excessive water content, oil deposits / smoke. Dependant on year, 73K could have been accumulated by many short journeys so creating potential problems with excessive acids / water in engine / exhaust. :y
In addition with estates my extensive experience with these has found that the rear shocks (although heavy duty types) can wear far faster than those up front if used regularly for carrying heavy loads (heavily scratched rear panels can indicate if this is the case) . Therefore worth checking the 'bounce' factor of these by pushing down the rear corners of the car. :y
I thought you had a far better way of testing the "bounce" factor of an Estate, Lizzy ;) ::)
How true James, but I am feeling respectable at the moment! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Yeah, Yeah ;D
Window tints on an Estate are a must!
...and blinds James for extra security!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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and black underwear ! :P
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....in addition to my earlier post I would add.... check the condition of oil and the 'purity' of the exhaust after full running i.e. any excessive water content, oil deposits / smoke. Dependant on year, 73K could have been accumulated by many short journeys so creating potential problems with excessive acids / water in engine / exhaust. :y
In addition with estates my extensive experience with these has found that the rear shocks (although heavy duty types) can wear far faster than those up front if used regularly for carrying heavy loads (heavily scratched rear panels can indicate if this is the case) . Therefore worth checking the 'bounce' factor of these by pushing down the rear corners of the car. :y
I thought you had a far better way of testing the "bounce" factor of an Estate, Lizzy ;) ::)
How true James, but I am feeling respectable at the moment! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Yeah, Yeah ;D
Window tints on an Estate are a must!
...and blinds James for extra security!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Surely it's not quite so much fun without an element of risk? ;D
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and black underwear ! :P
Now now Jules, you are going too far before the 2100 hour watershed!
;D ;D ;D ;D We are both going to corrupt the young and innocent on this site! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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....and anyway this topic was about a test drive for Proz in an estate....not a test drive of me in an estate!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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....and anyway this topic was about a test drive for Proz in an estate....not a test drive of me in an estate!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
I wasn't talking about test driving you, I was talking about means of testing suspension components...
Ps - I'm probably the youngest regular (or at least I was, till I got old!) - and I'm corrupt already !
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....and anyway this topic was about a test drive for Proz in an estate....not a test drive of me in an estate!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
I wasn't talking about test driving you, I was talking about means of testing suspension components...
Ps - I'm probably the youngest regular (or at least I was, till I got old!) - and I'm corrupt already !
I bet you are James! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Im going for a look at and test drive of an OMEGA 2.2 16V CDX ESTATE with 73'000 miles on it this weekend from a showroom ... is there any thing i should look out for on this model ie noises or anything i should pay paticular attention to...sorry if there has been a review on a separate page but i couldnt find anything
Thanks
Well that was a waste of time ... car looked great in the photos... but in the flesh was a different matter .... they knew i was coming to look at it so i was suprised when the battery was tottally flat ....once it started the airbag light on the dash was on as well as the engine light and the battery light was flashing away ...i would have thought that if they knew i was coming they might have charged her up at least ....the guy said that was only because the battery was flat ???? :o or is that the case ?? he seemed to like the radio though ... thats all he talked about .... so i walked away .. :-/
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it's a bummer when that happens but there's lots to chose from. I'm new to mig ownership but I was spoilt for choice at the end of the day. I got a 2.5 saloon cdx 95k FSH but in need of tyres and exhaust Long T&T for the grand sum of 450 quid. I think for your 3.6k you should be getting a mint 03 plate model with the pick of the engines
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it's a bummer when that happens but there's lots to chose from. I'm new to mig ownership but I was spoilt for choice at the end of the day. I got a 2.5 saloon cdx 95k FSH but in need of tyres and exhaust Long T&T for the grand sum of 450 quid. I think for your 3.6k you should be getting a mint 03 plate model with the pick of the engines
I also looked at a 52 plate in a saloon ... it was quite nice but it had some weird marks on the rear wing ... it was like some kind of corrosive had been splattered on it .. lots of little circles had left little marks which to me looked as if it had gone through the top laquer...he is going to see if a good valet can get it out but i dont think it will ... i saw it and thought it was just dried rain drops till i had a good look ... hopefully i'll get a call tomorrow to say is been polished or buffed away i think it was not bad value at £2600 with 70'000 miles on it .... there doesnt seem to be many miggys in my area .. :-/
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I'll take that back I've just been looking at Autotrader and a 03 car is still about 7k. Couple of nice ones around 4k but it does look like your gonna have to travel :'( :'(
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I hope the other one cleans up ... but im not hopefull , i dont know much about valeting or how they would get the little marks off it :-[
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Also, if you do buy from a dealer.
Then remember that anything you are not happy with when buying from them you talk nicely and they will probably sort it. Paint work and tyres included. The marks on some cars these days are from people looking round them and kids messing arround etc. So they will probably sort that as well.
You keep pushing and pushing and you wouldnt believe what you can get a salesman to throw in in. Marks on the paintwork many years ago would have been done before the car was offered for sale, these days they are lazy, but in a sence that falls in your favour as you get to see what you are buying and not what they are covering up.
Also get them to chuck a warranty in, but go through the motions as if you were buying it as there are different options, some of which will not include electrical or other areas of the car. this will help find out what level of warranty covers what.
The con on the warrantys is that they dont activate them till something goes wrong, they take your money of course. So if they are selling a good car they would not hiccup to give a good warranty cover.
Allways worth a try.
6 months tax
12 months MOT
Set of mats
Part/full Valet
Service
Cambelt change. (or warrany on any engine aspect)
Tyres
Tank of fuel.
Better Stereo
Plus a warranty
are just some of things I had including discounts for paying cash.
Cheek gets you everywhere. Remember they want your trade. Most of the cars they have sat there for sale are costing them in bank charges.
They would rather take a small profit than not getting a sale at all. :y :y
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Also, if you do buy from a dealer.
Then remember that anything you are not happy with when buying from them you talk nicely and they will probably sort it. Paint work and tyres included. The marks on some cars these days are from people looking round them and kids messing arround etc. So they will probably sort that as well.
You keep pushing and pushing and you wouldnt believe what you can get a salesman to throw in in. Marks on the paintwork many years ago would have been done before the car was offered for sale, these days they are lazy, but in a sence that falls in your favour as you get to see what you are buying and not what they are covering up.
Also get them to chuck a warranty in, but go through the motions as if you were buying it as there are different options, some of which will not include electrical or other areas of the car. this will help find out what level of warranty covers what.
The con on the warrantys is that they dont activate them till something goes wrong, they take your money of course. So if they are selling a good car they would not hiccup to give a good warranty cover.
Allways worth a try.
6 months tax
12 months MOT
Set of mats
Part/full Valet
Service
Cambelt change. (or warrany on any engine aspect)
Tyres
Tank of fuel.
Better Stereo
Plus a warranty
are just some of things I had including discounts for paying cash.
Cheek gets you everywhere. Remember they want your trade. Most of the cars they have sat there for sale are costing them in bank charges.
They would rather take a small profit than not getting a sale at all. :y :y
If the car cleans up im getting most of what you mention above ... im just worried knowing my luck these marks are worse than it looks ... running my nail over them they feel like they have gone through the top layer of laquer ... if its going to need a spray job then i dont think i will bother ... but im not sure if a good buff and polish will remove them ... its like its been splattered with something corrosive ... lots of little craters if you like ...
Cheers
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Little crators? hmmm I wonder if what your seeing is the result of the part being sprayed before and the paint has reacted with some silicon left behind.
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Sounds like it been resprayed and then left out in the open before its dried properly and damp has got to it.......
Im no paint expert........but i had the veccyB tailgate reprayed by a bodyshop.......and was keen to get it back.....so when i turned up to pick it up it was still in an oven on gas mark 7 i reckon.....blimey it was hot in the oven......the whole car was in the oven.
Paint sprayer reckoned he was trying get the paint to go off quicker than norm.......coz he reckoned if i took it away now (it was evening) and the paint hadnt properly gone off the damp would cause an unwanted 'effect' .
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It looks to me that something has been splattered or dropped near it and splashed on to it ... wat ever it is it looks like its gone through the laquer ... i just hope a good valeter can sort it or i'll be looking elsewhere ......... i should have taken some pics :-/