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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Albatross on 24 May 2008, 18:59:04
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Having been to wheels-inmotion last week I was told that my front left shock absorber is on its way out. Tony could tell by the weird tyre wear pattern (an intermittent wear 2/3 of the way in and about 5cm in diameter every 10cm) of the tyre on that corner.
Question 1: Should I change both shocks at the same time whilst I'm at it, making that assumption that if one is going then the other will soon follow and thereby prevent the same waste of a tyre on the other side?
Question 2: Is changing front shocks an easy job? What's involved?
Question 3: If I do change both shocks then I'd go for MV6 shocks as I have just had MV6 springs fitted. Does anyone know what sort of price these are? (I do have a Trade Card)
Question 4: Are Vx shocks the best ones to go for?
Question 5: Do you think I'll need to replace that tyre or will it eventually wear itself back into an even keel? If so should I change both front tyres (apart from the weird wear pattern on the near-side resulting from the shock issue they are in very good condition and being 235x35x19 are expensive)
Advice appreciated; please feel free to anser any one or all questions :y
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Having been to wheels-inmotion last week I was told that my front left shock absorber is on its way out. Tony could tell by the weird tyre wear pattern (an intermittent wear 2/3 of the way in and about 5cm in diameter ever 10cm) of the tyre on that corner.
Question 1: Should I change both shocks at the same time whilst I'm at it, making that assumption that if one is going then the other will soon follow and thereby prevent the same waste of a tyre on the other side?
Question 2: Is changing front shocks an easy job? What's involved?
Question 3: If I do change both shocks then I'd go for MV6 shocks as I have just had MV6 springs fitted. Does anyone know what sort of price these are? (I do have a Trade Card)
Question 4: Are Vx shocks the best ones to go for?
Question 5: Do you think I'll need to replace that tyre or will it eventually wear itself back into an even keel? If so should I change both front tyres (apart from the weird wear pattern on the near-side resulting from the shock issue they are in very good condition and being 235x35x19 are expensive)
Advice appreciated; please feel free to anser any one or all questions :y
Replace shocks in pairs!
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Always in pairs...
I have same problem too.
Just bought full set of Bilstein shocks. I didn“t even ask for original..
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Always in pairs...
I have same problem too.
Just bought full set of Bilstein shocks. I didn“t even ask for original..
Are those the correct height for your MV6 or is your car lowered?
What sort of price were they and do you feel that they are an improvement?
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I haven“t installed them yet. They are shorter ones (B8-Sprint) so i bought a set of H&R -35mm springs for them. All those costs about 900 euros here.
Hmm, i did go out and measure that current height.
Front is now at 37cm, measured from center of the hub to arch and rear 36.5cm.
I might change them tomorrow....
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Bilsteins mentioned in this previous thread seem well priced
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1173468176/0
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Always replace suspension componenets in pairs.
Bit more time consuming to do fronts, and will need alignment redone due to camber...
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OK, will replace both front shocks. I don't want to lower the car any more than a standard MV6 height.
Doesn't anyone have any words of wisdom on the other questions?
Tyre wear?
Vx shocks?
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OK, will replace both front shocks. I don't want to lower the car any more than a standard MV6 height.
Doesn't anyone have any words of wisdom on the other questions?
Tyre wear?
Vx shocks?
Vx shockz on TC are just under £46 ex VAT each, as for the tyre wear well I had the same problem, did post a thread on it with pictures, the tyres still outside in the front garden :-?....Had to get the geometry done and changed the affected tyre, mine had excessive wear on a section of the front inside of the tyre, and had already changed the tyre on other side similar problem :y......unfortunately expensive and annoying as still plenty wear on the tyres :(
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My post on the same issue some time ago now, page 212 :o
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1191049720
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My post on the same issue some time ago now, page 212 :o
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1191049720
Thanks Mike et al.
My wear problem is slightly different; I have more deeply worn patches about 10cm apart all the way around the circumference and toward the centre of the tyre. When you roll a trye off the car on a flat concrete surface you get regular palm sized dark patches where the tyre no longer touches the dust no far off the centre of the tyre tread and all the way round the tyre. It now causes an annoying slight 'chirruping' sound when cruising at speed on the motrway and a very mild wobble feedback through the steering. (not as much as though the wheels are out of balance though, I've had this checked at WIM)
Both my front tyres (apart from this wear on one side) are really good.
I suppose I'm back to question 5 now; do I need to replace that tyre or will it wear itself back onto an even keel? If I need to replace it, should I change both front tyres when I change both front shocks? :-/
Are Vx shocks the way to go if I don't want to lower the car?
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re point 5: I'd either do a front back tyre swap or give it a few months to see how the tyre wears. As long as the tyre is safe/legal etc, I'd see how it goes: no point spending money when it is not needed
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Does anyone know the part numbers for the front shocks and the self-levelling rear shocks for a facelift MV6?
My problem is that my car is an Elite, but with MV6 springs all round. I'm going to change all 4 shocks for the self-levelling MV6 shocks from Vx.
Also any advice if my local Vx stealer doesn't give me good TC prices?
From what I gather from this thread, and Tunnie's, is that the fronts sould be roughly 46+VAT and the rears around 45+VAT. So £220 should cover the full set, but I know that when I asked about a set of springs Evans Halshaw in Bedford quoted nearly £600.
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Does anyone know the part numbers for the front shocks and the self-levelling rear shocks for a facelift MV6?
My problem is that my car is an Elite, but with MV6 springs all round. I'm going to change all 4 shocks for the self-levelling MV6 shocks from Vx.
Also any advice if my local Vx stealer doesn't give me good TC prices?
From what I gather from this thread, and Tunnie's, is that the fronts sould be roughly 46+VAT and the rears around 45+VAT. So £220 should cover the full set, but I know that when I asked about a set of springs Evans Halshaw in Bedford quoted nearly £600, and I did tell them I had a TC, but I think they just ignored this.
:o :o :o :o
Just for springs??
I bought KYB ones from a local motor factor, which are same as OEM i belive.
£44 each :D
My local stealer knows me now, so can almost always get TC :)
I should be doing my rear shocks this weekend if thats any use?
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My local stealer knows me now, so can almost always get TC :)
I should be doing my rear shocks this weekend if thats any use?
That would be a lot of use!
You're not too far from me in the Brackley area aren't you? Would you ask your dealer what the part numbers and prices are please?
MV6 for a self-levelling version.
Are they an easy job to change yourself, or should I get them done at WIM seeing as I'll have to get the car set up again anyway?
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Does anyone know the part numbers for the front shocks and the self-levelling rear shocks for a facelift MV6?
My problem is that my car is an Elite, but with MV6 springs all round. I'm going to change all 4 shocks for the self-levelling MV6 shocks from Vx.
Also any advice if my local Vx stealer doesn't give me good TC prices?
From what I gather from this thread, and Tunnie's, is that the fronts sould be roughly 46+VAT and the rears around 45+VAT. So £220 should cover the full set, but I know that when I asked about a set of springs Evans Halshaw in Bedford quoted nearly £600, and I did tell them I had a TC, but I think they just ignored this.
:o :o :o :o
Just for springs??
I bought KYB ones from a local motor factor, which are same as OEM i belive.
£44 each :D
My local stealer knows me now, so can almost always get TC :)
I should be doing my rear shocks this weekend if thats any use?
Dealers want silly money for springs: I laughed at them a couple of years ago and they agreed their price was stupid. KYB are the way to go
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So is KYB the way to go for shocks too, or are Vx ones the best?
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My local stealer knows me now, so can almost always get TC :)
I should be doing my rear shocks this weekend if thats any use?
That would be a lot of use!
You're not too far from me in the Brackley area aren't you? Would you ask your dealer what the part numbers and prices are please?
MV6 for a self-levelling version.
Are they an easy job to change yourself, or should I get them done at WIM seeing as I'll have to get the car set up again anyway?
Unlikely a dealer will be able to tell you the part without extensive research. There are lots and lots of shocks available, and they'll go either by VIN or by ident number of fitted shock, none any good to you.
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Mmmm, I'm going to have to find another member with a 3.2 MV6 that has self levelling.
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does anyone have the part number for standard rear shocks to hand?
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Mmmm, I'm going to have to find another member with a 3.2 MV6 that has self levelling.
Looking at EPC there is only one self levelling shock listed nowadays 72119084 which will be the same as you've got fitted on your elite already.
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Mmmm, I'm going to have to find another member with a 3.2 MV6 that has self levelling.
Looking at EPC there is only one self levelling shock listed nowadays 72119084 which will be the same as you've got fitted on your elite already.
Cool ta! :y
Can you tell me the part numbers for MV6 front and MV6 rear shocks too please? This is for a 3.2 facelift.
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does anyone have the part number for standard rear shocks to hand?
Non levelling shocks 90542942
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Mmmm, I'm going to have to find another member with a 3.2 MV6 that has self levelling.
Looking at EPC there is only one self levelling shock listed nowadays 72119084 which will be the same as you've got fitted on your elite already.
Cool ta! :y
Can you tell me the part numbers for MV6 front and MV6 rear shocks too please? This is for a 3.2 facelift.
Only thing I can find is this.
SHOCK ABSORBER, ASSY., WITH MOUNTING PARTS (IDENT WM) (USED WITH LOWERED SPORTS CHASSIS) (FOR ARMOURED BODY) (FOR POLICE VEHICLE) (NOT USED WITH LOWERED SPORTS CHASSIS) 72119086
So its used with the lowered sports chassis and its not used with the lowered sports chassis.
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does anyone have the part number for standard rear shocks to hand?
Non levelling shocks 90542942
So is there a difference between Elite and MV6 shocks?
I'm confused:
There must be at least 4 different types, but I can't work out which is which:
Fronts
Rear Self levelling
Rear non-self levelling
Rear Sports chassis (MV6)
Any chance of a part number for each of the above?
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Albatross Euro Car parts deal direct with Sachs Bogue who make the omega shocks for vauxhall try them see if they are cheaper than tc
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does anyone have the part number for standard rear shocks to hand?
Non levelling shocks 90542942
So is there a difference between Elite and MV6 shocks?
I'm confused:
There must be at least 4 different types, but I can't work out which is which:
Fronts
Rear Self levelling
Rear non-self levelling
Rear Sports chassis (MV6)
Any chance of a part number for each of the above?
Ok rears
Levelling 72119084
Non levelling 90542942
MV6 72119086 if you assume they are used with the sports chassis.
Fronts I'm still working on.
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MV6 fronts look like
SHOCK ABSORBER, ASSY., FRONT, WITH BRAKE HOSE BRACKET, LH-RHD (IDENT LP) (USED WITH LOWERED SPORTS CHASSIS) (EXC.ARMOURED BODY/HEARSE) (NOT USED WITH INCREASED PAYLOAD) (EXC.BAD ROAD PACKAGE) Y26SE, Y32SE 9192291
SHOCK ABSORBER, ASSY., FRONT, WITH BRAKE HOSE BRACKET, RH-RHD (IDENT LP) (USED WITH LOWERED SPORTS CHASSIS) (EXC.ARMOURED BODY/HEARSE) (NOT USED WITH INCREASED PAYLOAD) (EXC.BAD ROAD PACKAGE) Y26SE, Y32SE 9192292
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I don't know how much this will help but here's a list of Cadillac Catera suspension parts. The part numbers are mostly North American with a few British and European suppliers mixed in. Maybe your repair shop can cross reference them. I also have bushes, springs, etc. I can post the whole thing if you like. Remember, if it fits the Catera, it will fit the Omega. FYI: The has self leveling rear air shocks.
STRUTS & SHOCK ABSORBERS (incl: MOUNTS, BOOTS, and BUMP STOPS)
Koni Sport Struts & Shocks:
-Sport Strut: part # 8610-1315Sport (insert in OE strut; externally adjustable for rebound)
-Sport Shock: part # 80-2591Sport (non-air, must disable self leveling; rebound adjustment made before installation)
http://store.summitracing.com
Struts & Shocks: Sport ride.
BILSTEIN (Opel/Vauxhall)
-Strut - B4 Gas: part # VNE-4480 (OE Replacement)
-Shock Absorber - B4 Gas: part # BNE-2861 (OE Replacement)
-Strut - B6 SPORT: part # VE3-4178 (Firm)
-Shock Absorber - B6 SPORT: part # B46-2260 (Firm)
-Strut - B8 SPRINT: part # VE3-4426 (Firm/Lowered)
-Shock Absorber - B6 SPRINT: part # B46-2258 (Firm/Lowered)
-Boot & Bumpstop: part # ASP-C245 (front)
http://www.carparts-cat.com/pkw/parts/artliste.asp?SID=0000992458273793018004&ID=84,3466,3861,0,1,1,1&GID=854,171&NID=0,11,121
KYB GR2:
-Strut: # 334903
-Strut Mount: part # SM5285
-Shock Mount: part # SM5287
-Strut Boot & Bumpstop: part # SB101
http://www.shockwarehouse.com/index.cfm?mode=results&selected_model=3755&selected_year=2001
Strut only. OEM ride. No adjustments.
KW Automotive UK (Vauxhall Omega)
-KW Sport Suspension Kit/Lowering Springs & Dampers #20060068
-KW Coil Overs (adjustable height/F&R) #10260025
-KW Coil Overs (adjustable height & rebound/F&R) #15260025
http://www.kwsuspensions.de/uk/
Coilover shocks are usually for track use. May be too harsh for the street.
Monroe:
Sensatrac Strut: part # 71503 (Twin-tube low pressure gas unit similiar to OEM)
Max-Air Rear Shocks: part # MA825 (For use with self leveling)
Upper Mount: part # 903932
Front Boot & Bumpstop: part # 63619
http://www.shockwarehouse.com/index.cfm?mode=results&selected_model=3755&selected_year=2001
ACDELCO Strut: part # 506592 {#09192250} Right / # 506591 {#09192249} Left
http://www.rockauto.com/
Factory Replacement w/o SPORT APPEARANCE PKG (RPO-TV5)
ACDELCO Strut: part # 506594 {#09192292} Right / # 506593 {#09192291} Left
http://www.rockauto.com/
Factory Replacement w/SPORT APPEARANCE PKG (RPO-TV5)
ACDELCO Part # 560227 {#72119084}
ABSORBER,RR SHK w/o SPORT APPEARANCE PKG (RPO-TV5)
http://www.rockauto.com
Factory Replacement - Catera
ACDELCO Part # 560228 {#72119087}
ABSORBER,RR SHK w/SPORT APPEARANCE PKG (RPO-TV5)
http://www.rockauto.com
Factory Replacement - Catera Sport
Gabriel Ultra Strut: part # G56769
http://www.gabriel.com
OE Catera replacement
Elvin
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does anyone have the part number for standard rear shocks to hand?
Non levelling shocks 90542942
Cheers.
Least mine are nice and simple bog standard ones! ::)
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Albatross, if you want the back-end to be more stiff, might as well fit Blistens?
But i have heard they could be too hard, if you don't like the Elite setup, i would fit standard MV6 shocks. Which are not self levelling (SL)
Only need SL for pulling caravans or heavy loads.
Personally if i had a 3.2 Elite, and wanted less roll, i would just fit standard MV6.
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does anyone have the part number for standard rear shocks to hand?
Non levelling shocks 90542942
Cheers.
Least mine are nice and simple bog standard ones! ::)
And on TC too.
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Thanks for that Captain :y
So I think I need:
Front LH: 9192291
Front RH: 9192292
Rear MV6: 72119086 (Assuming I junk the self levelling)
Rear: 72119084 (Assuming I keep the self levelling)
I (WIM) have already adjusted the position of the mounting of the self-levelling sensor on the trailing arm since fitting the MV6 springs so I may get away with the self-levelling shocks.
TMX, who has a self-levelling MV6 saloon (mini-facelift) has kindly just shared his VIN and VRN numbers with me so I might be able to see what my local Vx stealers come up with for his car too.
I may just simply bow to TB and Tunnies superior knowledge and advice and junk the self levelling. I will NEVER EVER tow an effin' caravan as long as I have a hole up my ar$e.
Tunnie, can you buy Bilsteins that are the standard MV6 height or do they only do those that lower the car? I don't want it much, if any, lower than an MV6 to be honest.
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Thanks for that Captain ;y
So I think I need:
Front LH: 9192291
Front RH: 9192292
Rear MV6: 72119086 (Assuming I junk the self levelling)
Rear: 72119084 (Assuming I keep the self levelling)
I (WIM) have already adjusted the position of the mounting of the self-levelling sensor on the trailing arm since fitting the MV6 springs so I may get away with the self-levelling shocks.
TMX, who has a self-levelling MV6 saloon (mini-facelift) has kindly just shared his VIN and VRN numbers with me so I might be able to see what my local Vx stealers come up with for his car too.
Is there a problem with your rear shocks as theyre going to be the same as the self levellers I've given you the number for.
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Thanks for that Captain ;y
So I think I need:
Front LH: 9192291
Front RH: 9192292
Rear MV6: 72119086 (Assuming I junk the self levelling)
Rear: 72119084 (Assuming I keep the self levelling)
I (WIM) have already adjusted the position of the mounting of the self-levelling sensor on the trailing arm since fitting the MV6 springs so I may get away with the self-levelling shocks.
TMX, who has a self-levelling MV6 saloon (mini-facelift) has kindly just shared his VIN and VRN numbers with me so I might be able to see what my local Vx stealers come up with for his car too.
Is there a problem with your rear shocks as theyre going to be the same as the self levellers I've given you the number for.
Whats the millage on yours Alba?
Mines on 110k now, although my shocks don't seam to be leaking, they are going to be past their best.
Main reason i am changing mine now, is i will be underneath the car doing the springs anyway, makes sense to change them now. As i will get the use out of them :)
If yours has no more than say 85/90k miles, or you have problems with it, i would save the dosh for now :y
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Thanks for that Captain ;y
So I think I need:
Front LH: 9192291
Front RH: 9192292
Rear MV6: 72119086 (Assuming I junk the self levelling)
Rear: 72119084 (Assuming I keep the self levelling)
I (WIM) have already adjusted the position of the mounting of the self-levelling sensor on the trailing arm since fitting the MV6 springs so I may get away with the self-levelling shocks.
TMX, who has a self-levelling MV6 saloon (mini-facelift) has kindly just shared his VIN and VRN numbers with me so I might be able to see what my local Vx stealers come up with for his car too.
Is there a problem with your rear shocks as theyre going to be the same as the self levellers I've given you the number for.
Whats the millage on yours Alba?
Mines on 110k now, although my shocks don't seam to be leaking, they are going to be past their best.
Main reason i am changing mine now, is i will be underneath the car doing the springs anyway, makes sense to change them now. As i will get the use out of them :)
If yours has no more than say 85/90k miles, or you have problems with it, i would save the dosh for now :y
Your dad's were pretty shot as well...
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Thanks for that Captain ;y
TMX, who has a self-levelling MV6 saloon (mini-facelift) has kindly just shared his VIN and VRN numbers with me so I might be able to see what my local Vx stealers come up with for his car too.
Is there a problem with your rear shocks as theyre going to be the same as the self levellers I've given you the number for.
I only know of a problem with my front LH shock from the tyre wear pattern, but I thought I'd do them all at once. There is logic to this for a couple of reasons.
I've just changed over to MV6 springs is one reason. The other reason is that my car seems to be about 15-20mm higher on the driver's side at the rear and I was wondering whether that was a sign that the shock on the rear near side was getting a bit tired so I thought I may as well do all 4 shocks at once to be sure.
My car has done 96K
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Thanks for that Captain ;y
So I think I need:
Front LH: 9192291
Front RH: 9192292
Rear MV6: 72119086 (Assuming I junk the self levelling)
Rear: 72119084 (Assuming I keep the self levelling)
I (WIM) have already adjusted the position of the mounting of the self-levelling sensor on the trailing arm since fitting the MV6 springs so I may get away with the self-levelling shocks.
TMX, who has a self-levelling MV6 saloon (mini-facelift) has kindly just shared his VIN and VRN numbers with me so I might be able to see what my local Vx stealers come up with for his car too.
Is there a problem with your rear shocks as theyre going to be the same as the self levellers I've given you the number for.
Whats the millage on yours Alba?
Mines on 110k now, although my shocks don't seam to be leaking, they are going to be past their best.
Main reason i am changing mine now, is i will be underneath the car doing the springs anyway, makes sense to change them now. As i will get the use out of them :)
If yours has no more than say 85/90k miles, or you have problems with it, i would save the dosh for now :y
Your dad's were pretty shot as well...
Hence doing mine now, its done almost 15k more miles.
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Thanks for that Captain ;y
So I think I need:
Front LH: 9192291
Front RH: 9192292
Rear MV6: 72119086 (Assuming I junk the self levelling)
Rear: 72119084 (Assuming I keep the self levelling)
I (WIM) have already adjusted the position of the mounting of the self-levelling sensor on the trailing arm since fitting the MV6 springs so I may get away with the self-levelling shocks.
TMX, who has a self-levelling MV6 saloon (mini-facelift) has kindly just shared his VIN and VRN numbers with me so I might be able to see what my local Vx stealers come up with for his car too.
Is there a problem with your rear shocks as theyre going to be the same as the self levellers I've given you the number for.
Whats the millage on yours Alba?
Mines on 110k now, although my shocks don't seam to be leaking, they are going to be past their best.
Main reason i am changing mine now, is i will be underneath the car doing the springs anyway, makes sense to change them now. As i will get the use out of them :)
If yours has no more than say 85/90k miles, or you have problems with it, i would save the dosh for now :y
Your dad's were pretty shot as well...
Hence doing mine now, its done almost 15k more miles.
Mine were totally rubbered when I changed them today.
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m302/CaptainZok/05260002.jpg)
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m302/CaptainZok/05260003.jpg)
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Mine don't appear to be leaking, but look very like those pictures around the bottoms. Does that mean they're 'rubbered' too?
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The crud around the bottom is an accumulation of the shocker oil and general road dirt so I'd be thinking yours are on their way out too.
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That's that then; thanks for all the advice.
I need:
Front LH MV6: 9192291
Front RH MV6: 9192292
Rear MV6: 72119086
I think.
Tunnie, I'll bring them, a spare pair of hands and anything else useful with me on Sunday. I might bring round oil and filter and do that whilst I'm there too.